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Date: March 20, 2015
Guest: Randi Weingarten, Lanny Davis, Nicolas Loris, Robert Kennedy Jr.,
Atahn Manuel, Dean Obeidallah, John Fugelsang, Zerlina Maxwell

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from Pensacola, Florida.

Let`s get to work.


SCHULTZ: Tonight...

HILLARY CLINTON, FRM. SECRETARY OF STATE: We should figure out how to make
this new economy work for everyone.

This is an important issue for everybody who works.

SCHULTZ: And later.

MONICA LEWINSKY, CYBER BULLYING VICTIM: That you can insist on a different
ending to your story.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are a lot of folks engaging in hydraulics
fracking. The problem is, is that we haven`t established clear guidelines.


SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL, (R-KY) MAJORITY LEADER: It`s a budget that would
allow us to repeal and replace the program that hurts the middle-class,


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for watching.

The question is, can Hillary Clinton motivate the entire liberal Democratic
base, because she is going to need it, can she motivate them all? Is she
on the same page with them?

She is about to face her toughest test as she hasn`t even announced yet.
Clinton needs to prove that she is with unions and workers and apparently
she knows it.

On Thursday, Clinton gave what is most likely to be her last page of speech
before her campaign starts.

She spoke to the American Camp Association in a non-political speech. She
talked about her family and she talked about her love for the outdoors.

Speeches like that will soon be a thing of the past. Clinton has been in
the national spotlight for decades. We do know Hillary Clinton. But the
issues are fresh. We know where she stands on certain issues.


CLINTON: Anyone says that racial discrimination is no longer a problem in
American election must not be paying attention.

We`re always going to argue about abortion. It`s a hard choice and it`s
controversial and that`s why I`m pro-choice because I want people to be
able to make their own choices.

Investing in our neighborhood institutions, strengthening our community
bond, has to be part of our strategy for reducing inequality.

Don`t you want to see more women running for congress? Who would follow in
the footsteps of Barbara Mikulski and champion equal pay and equal

I think we should set the global example for transitioning in some more
orderly way away from fossil fuels.

I voted to raise a minimum wage when I was a Senator, why? Not only to
help minimum wage workers but the ripple-effect of raising the minimum wage
will add hundreds of millions of dollars to this state`s economy and lift
thousands of Kentucky families out of poverty.


SCHULTZ: All good stuff. Hillary Clinton is right on target with a lot of
issues. However, there are two very important issues that Hillary Clinton
has not talked about anywhere as of late.

First, we don`t know where she stands on the Keystone XL pipeline. Second,
we don`t know where she stands on approval of the Transitions-Pacific

Now, you saw in one of those sound bites, she is concerned about middle-
class families and income inequality, social justice. But these issues
will have a major impact on the future of American jobs and our

Clinton is going to need to also really appeal to labor leaders and she
knows it.

On Monday, Clinton will reconnect with key members of the Democratic base.
She will meet with Lee Saunders who is the president of the American
Federation of State and County and Municipal Employees, AFSME. And also
with Randi Weingarten who will just us in a moment, who`s the president of
the American Federation of Teachers.

Hillary Clinton needs to give American wage earners basically three answers
on three different issues.

Now, we all know that she is very strong on minimum wage and she has been
has a record for that. No doubt.

Clinton needs to say where she stands on the Employee Free Choice Act. Now
the history here is that, this was a big issue with the unions back in
2008. But it kind of fell over the way side because of the economy and
also because of the big effort that was put forward to save the automobile
industry and, of course, to do healthcare reform.

But the Employee Free Choice Act is what the unions want. This is what
will motivate them. Where did she stand on that? This is what they`re
going to be asking for in the next election.

Hillary Clinton has to state her position on the TPP and fast-track and
explain how this will not gut American jobs the way NAFTA did.

Now, keep in mind, every union has stated that they will not support any
candidate who supports the TPP. So far, Hillary Clinton has been silent on
this issue. She has to decide if she wants to be for the middle-class or
destroy it.

Now, I put it in such dogmatic terms because this is how organized labor
views the TPP. They don`t believe that you can be for the middle-class and
be for a trade agreement that involves 40 percent of the world`s economy
and guts American jobs, and all of our trade agreements have got a bad
history when it comes to trade being upside down and us losing American

So as I see it, she can no longer remain silent but here is the problem.
What if Hillary Clinton runs unopposed? What if this is a coronation?
What if everybody else says, "Well, Hillary`s got it. You know, she got
the infrastructure, has a team, has the popularity, look at these polls.
Nobody else can raise this kind of money. And so I`m not going to run."
What is that is the conclusion of everybody?

Do we get a real debate on the TPP? Do we get a real debate on Keystone?
Do we get a real debate on the Employee Free Choice Act? Do we get a real
debate on workers issues in this country? And this is a problem right now.
It is a real good chance that Hillary might run unopposed if she decides to

So if she is going to go talk to the unions, folks I`m telling you exactly
what the unions want.

They want minimum wage raise, that`s not a problem. They want the Employee
Free Choice Act addressed. They want a commitment. And they want to make
sure that whoever is the Democratic nominee will say no to the TPP because
it`s a lousy trade deal, every union in this country is against it.

Now, you might think, "Well, you know, union never ship (ph) in this
country starting to go down, it`s starting to decline, really?

Try to be a Democrat and win the White House without union support, without
their social networking, without their financial support, without their
boots on the ground? Try to win Ohio without the unions? It didn`t going
to happen.

Get your cell phones out, I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Will Hillary Clinton protects the middle-class?

Gosh, that`s kind of a harsh question, isn`t it? But if you view it from
the standpoint of organized labor, there are absolutes. You`re either with
this or you`re against this and if you`re for the TPP you`re not an ally.
Text A for Yes, Text B for no to 67622, we`ll bring you the results later
on, on the show.

For more on this discussion tonight, let me bring in Randi Weingarten,
President of the American Federation of Teachers, Lanny Davis, former
Special Counsel on the White House, on the Clinton Administration, also
with us tonight, Michael Steele, former RNC Chairman in MSNBC Political

Mr. Steel, let`s start with you first tonight.


SCHULTZ: Your thoughts on her challenges when it comes to rallying the
troops when you consider what the unions want to hear?

STEELE: Well, I have to say, Ed, you`ve done one of the best unpacking of
Hillary`s problems that I`ve heard in a while, in terms of what she has to
face on the left. A lot of focus has not been on that. She has largely
scorned (ph) by without the conversation, largely whistling past the
graveyard, if you will.

And so now, I think starting Monday, she`s going to have to begin to
confront some of these issues and I think she is going to have a problem.

I think she is going to have a problem with TPP. I suspect Hillary
supports TPP and how she negotiates that is going to be very interesting.
I think some of these other issues that you unpacked, I think Hillary is
problem going to not be as friendly as many on the progressive side of the
ledger who would want her to be.

But even Hillary said that, I think at the end because she is not going to
get a challenge of full trotted (ph) challenge from a live candidate, if
you will, at least none has shown up so far.

I think she enlarge to get away with it, unless folks like you and others
sort of hold that feet to the fire for to see exactly where she stands.
But at the end of the day, I think she gets by.

SCHULTZ: Randi, what do you want to hear from Hillary Clinton on Monday?
How far does she have to go?

- talking about what do we do in urban settings and how do we turn around
places like Detroit and other places where the economy has past on this
places by.

So I think on Monday, we`re going to have a real roll up your sleeves
talking about what are the strategies we need to develop the middle-class
or redevelop the middle-class...

SCHULTZ: Perfect.

WEINGARTEN: ... in urban settings like Detroit. How do you make...

SCHULTZ: That`s place is right to what I`m talking about. That -- right
there, a place are right to what I`m talking about. You can`t redevelop
urban cities in this country if you`re going to support trade deal that`s
going to gut jobs.

WEINGARTEN: Well, let me be really clear, Ed. You`re right. The entire
labor movement is against TPP for lots of different reasons. Some on the
labor movement are for Keystone, some are against.

But what we are for is making sure there is a middle-class again and,
frankly, I think that Hillary Clinton kind of surprise everybody when she
was so out there about this issue and the Emily`s listener (ph).

But at the end of the day, we have to have good jobs that pay a living

SCHULTZ: Absolutely, great.

WEINGARTEN: ... we need to increase the minimum wage, but we also need to
actually do something about housing. Do something about transportation and
do something about industrial stuff and public education.

SCHULTZ: I don`t disagree with you. I totally agree with that. But I`m
going to tell what the unions want to hear if she is looking for union

They are going to looking for the Employee Free Choice Act and they`re
going to look for support against the TPP. And there are no...


SCHULTZ: There are no absolutes here.


SCHULTZ: There are absolutes here. It`s a yes or no issue.

WEINGARTEN: So, look at...

SCHULTZ: Go ahead.

WEINGARTEN: ... on the Employees Free Choice Act. So, look, we all talk
to each other. You know, we are part of both -- Lee Saunders asked me AFT,
we`re all part of the of the AFLCIO and we`re very close to our colleagues
and we`re all out there against the TPP for all the reasons you talked

But on EFCA, Employee Free Choice, she was one of the original sponsors of
Employee Free Choice. And in watching her in New York, she was always out
there when there was an issue of fundamental fairness.


So, let`s see what happens in terms of really -- this is...


WEINGARTEN: ... the very beginning of this process but I`m glad she`s
actually listening and diving into what do we need to do to turn...

SCHULTZ: Well, that`s what candidates supposed to do.

WEINGARTEN: Yes. You know, but I`m really...

SCHULTZ: The candidates are supposed to listen. I mean...


SCHULTZ: You know, I mean if she wants to win, she`s -- I mean, I think
that union folk in this country are sick and tired of being (inaudible)
after giving a lot of support in winning states since put before the White

WEINGARTEN: You`re totally right. You`re totally right, Ed.

SCHULTZ: And I think, for instance in your position, is Hilary for charter
schools? Is she going to run the country with the philosophy of Rahm
Emanuel and have every union person in Chicago against them, all the
teachers? Your organization is not a Rahm Emanuel fan?

WEINGARTEN: Not at all.

SCHULTZ: Rahm Emanuel is very well aligned to Hilary Clinton. What about

WEINGARTEN: So, but what about making sure like she did in New York to
have equity, have funding, lower class size.

Look, we want to make sure -- that public schools are fixed, not closed,
that there`s real community engagement, that teachers have the tools and
conditions they need. But you`re totally right...


SCHULTZ: ... Ed. We have to have a president that doesn`t demonize and
doesn`t escape (inaudible) teachers and lifts everyone up. And so...

SCHULTZ: All right.

WEINGARTEN: ... you know, it`s very early in the process.

SCHULTZ: It`s early in the process but, I think, labor knows what they
want to hear.

Lanny, look, you`ve got a long history with the Clintons. I know you were
a fan and a believer. I want to be a believer but I want these questions

What about her position on Keystone? The last answer I heard from Hilary
Clinton was this. "We need a broader discussion about energy in this
country." Wait a minute. Do you want to bring the dirtiest oil on the
face of the earth to market?

That`s going to be the question. Lanny, you take it.

I always -- excuse my hoarse voice. It`s from the best right-wing
conspiracy when I lose my voice.


DAVIS: Greetings to Michael Steele.

SCHULTZ: Michael, that`s your fault by the way.

STEELE: I though that in there.


STEELE: Lanny, you probably throw me under the bus.

DAVIS: I speak as a long time friend from law school days. But I don`t
represent her and on some of the issues. You just mentioned, I cannot
speak for her, but I will give you some educated guesses.

First of all, it`s interesting to listen to Ms. Weingarten, accurately
described a politician, a political official, Senator from the State of New
York, all of her life since I`ve known her as a progressive Democrat, on
every issue.

She is not going to be cornered with labels. She will be very fact

I certainly agree with -- if I may say -- can I call you Randi?

WEINGARTEN: Of course.

DAVIS: That her position over the years pro-labor and virtually, every
labor issue I can`t say absolutes, I don`t use that word, on public schools
and supporting the inner city and the exurbs.

SCHULTZ: OK. We got to a resume, Lanny.


SCHULTZ: Lanny, respectfully, we`ve got a resume. Here`s the point.

DAVIS: Yeah. Those were facts...


SCHULTZ: This is going to be 2016 versus 2008, labor is much different
today. The middle-class is much different today than it was eight years

There are people in this economy who were struggling. There are stagnant
wages. We know that.

The Employee Free Choice Act will give definitely a voice in the workplace
where the Republicans have attacked voices in the workplace with all those
right-to-work legislation and all the state legislators have put forward at
legislative sessions state after state.

So, it`s a different landscape now. And this is why the unions are all on
board against the TPP because how much more can they give. I think that
this could be the soft underbelly (ph) for the Clinton run -- for the

I mean, I think she is going to have to really makeup (inaudible) and
Michael, your thoughts on this. I mean, I know that the Republicans are
against it.

STEELE: Right.

SCHULTZ: I mean, they`re in favor of the TPP...

STEELE: The TPP, yeah.

SCHULTZ: ... but they have to see this is a vulnerability.

STEELE: For Hilary, yeah. I think so. And, you know, the two points to
come to mind in listening to this conversation.

The first is, they sell so much like what`s going on the right with the Jeb
Bush and...

SCHULTZ: : Sure...

STEELE: ... certainly lot of candidates where the base is really concern
about the direction you`re going to take the country as President of United
States. Two, to both of them I say -- so where do you go? What are you
going to do if Hilary does not come to the table? It`s clean with...

SCHULTZ: Good question.

STEELE: ... that clean hand on these issues as (inaudible)...

SCHULTZ: That is the dilemma.

STEELE: What are you going to do...

SCHULTZ: That is the dilemma.

STEELE: Are you -- you`re going to stay home in 2016 and watch Republicans
take the White House by (inaudible) or they`re going to fight?

SCHULTZ: This is the point right here. The unions are going to...


SCHULTZ: ... early on the unions are going to know early on because if
they have to go find another candidate, I think they might do it.

Now, that`s -- I mean, they have to find somebody that is going to advocate
for the things that they believe in and I`m telling you, `08 is different
than `16.

STEELE: That`s for sure.

SCHULTZ: Great conversation. I appreciate having you all of us with us
tonight, Randi Weingarten and Lanny Davis, get your voice right, buddy,
because I got to have you back a lot more and Michael Steele...

DAVIS: Thanks.

SCHULTZ: Great to have you with us tonight. Thanks so much.

Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the screen.
Share your thoughts with us on Twitter @edshow and on Facebook. You can
get my video podcast at

Still to come, Monica Lewinsky`s new mission in life but first the
President cracks down fracking. Some say new rules go too far, others are
crying, saying that they don`t go far enough to debate, ahead.

Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.

President Obama is continuing his legacy fighting climate change.

Today, the Bureau of Land Management unveiled new nationwide restrictions
for fracking on public in Native American lands.

The goal, protect groundwater. The most important change companies must
report what chemicals they used. The oil industrial is ready fighting
back, why? Why can`t we know what their using?

The Independent Petroleum Association and Western Energy Alliance file a
lawsuit challenging the new regulations. Oil companies say fracking is a
safe path towards energy independence. They tried to sway 115 million
Super Bowl viewers this year with this television ad.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering
lots more oil and natural gas -- supporting millions of new jobs, billions
in tax revenue and a new century of American energy security.


SCHULTZ: Well, the facts tell a different story.

In the past decade, more than 250 billion gallons of water have become
drilling waste, at least 360,000 acres of land have been directly damage,
and about 450,000 tons of air pollution has been created per year.

Lots to talk about I`m joined tonight by Robert Kennedy Jr. President of
the Water Keeper Alliance and Athan Manuel who`s a Director of the Sierra
Clubs Land Protection Program, also with us tonight Nicolas Loris who is
the Energy and Environmental fellow for the Heritage Foundation. Great to
have all of you with us tonight.


SCHULTZ: Mr. Loris, you first, why is fracking good if it uses so much
water and it destroys the lands and I`ve got so many questions for you but
we`ll start there.

issue is certainly a use and we need more accurate pricing on water because
water is use for a lot of things not just hydraulic fracturing but also a
lot of agriculture processes. But this is the process that`s been safely
used for decades and produce tremendous amount of economic benefits,
created jobs, lowered prices, and these regulations are simply duplicative
to what the states are already doing.

SCHULTZ: OK. So what are the states doing, Mr. Kennedy? I mean, why
would we want to know what kind of chemicals are being use in fracking and
of course oil companies are fighting that.

regulations are actually much weaker than what we wanted to see. The
President proposed regulations in 2012 that we thought we`re reasonable,
that they were going on the same direction and then, most of the states
were going, and which -- to require the disclosure fracking chemical to
eliminate the -- of the use of open pits to have appropriate setbacks, so
that schools and school children wells, churches and other -- and
communities would be protected.

We now know and by the way, a lot of people look at this at federal as
(inaudible) as they think of that as open spaces but many of these have
Native American communities very close by and there`s literally no

The states are now even states like Wyoming in Pennsylvania are requiring
the disclosure of fracking chemicals but these new rules do not require the
disclosure of fracking chemicals. There`s all kinds of loopholes that
allow the oil companies to say no, that`s a proprietary trade secret, I
don`t have to tell it to you and we will never know what they are.

SCHULTZ: OK. Mr. Manuel, where has been the damage to the public lands?
What`s the problem here?

this is a very dirty and dangerous way to get oil and gas out of the
ground. You know, to that, like you said, uses of tons -- thousands of
gallons of water. It`s impacted hundred of thousand of acres of public
lands. And it`s something we really don`t need. There`s a lot more we
could do on energy efficiency, few economy standards has better ways to get
out energy mix here in the U.S. rather than damaging our public lands,
including our air, polluting our public -- hurting our public health, and
using lots and lots of water that we can replace.

So we think it`s -- that we need do less fracking, we think we should ban
all fracking on federal lands, and start living away from dirty energy in
towards clean energy. Because if we`re serious about fighting climate
change and protecting our environment, we would not do more fracking.

SCHULTZ: All right. Nicolas, why is the President wrong on fracking?

LORIS: Well, I get the Mr. Kennedy`s point that states have already steps
up and required disclosure rules for chemicals. They`ve stepped up when it
comes to waste water treatment and they come...

SCHULTZ: Well, some states have done. Some states have made...


LORIS: A lot of the ones that we`re talking about today including the ones
like Colorado, like Wyoming, where we have lot of federal lands have, not
to mention even Texas and Pennsylvania have required disclosure laws.

So again, it`s to flick it off. It`s only going to create a further divide
between the increasing production on state and privately own lands and the
decreasing production on federally own lands.

Not to mention, again, this is an environmentally responsible way to
extract energy. And we`ve seen tremendous, tremendous benefits from it.
And I think...

SCHULTZ: All right.

LORIS: ... for the state make the decision, not have people make those
decisions from Washington.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Kennedy, is it environmentally safe to frack?

KENNEDY: Well, you know, in our state we`re the oil and gas industry is
very, very tough and very, very powerful, our Governor Mario Cuomo has said
that -- has ban the fracking in the state. And he didn`t ban it because it
was good for the state, he ban it because the Health Commission, the
highest medical authority is the state look at the evidence and look at the
studies and said, this is causing tremendous illness and people are down,
one of this -- or these wells, it`s causing water contamination at the
healthcare cost, far away the economic benefits the people are getting from
-- that the nation...


KENNEDY: ... is getting from fracking.

SCHULTZ: And we will leave it there.

Nicolas Loris, Athan Manuel and Robert Kennedy Jr. great to have you,
gentlemen, with us tonight, I appreciate the conversation.

Coming up Louie Gohmert tries to start a world war. He says that`s the
solution. And later, we have you March Madness update, the two-minute
drill. Lot`s more coming up on the Ed Show.

Stay with us, we`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed show. Thanks for watching tonight.

After a week of intensive nuclear talks of Iran, Secretary State John Kerry
is taking a break to consult with European allies and go with the possible

So the talks with Iran resume in Switzerland next week. Some members of
the GOP suggest, we completely abandoned the diplomatic approach. Louie
Gohmert says, the alternative to a bad deal is a bomb.


LOUIE GOHMERT, (R), TEXAS: I think it`s time to bomb Iran anything that
resembles a nuclear facility with centrifuges. It`s time to bomb. And we
need to make clear to Iran, you can play these silly games with our
President that buys into them and our Secretary of State, but the American
people aren`t buying it and you`re going to pay a price. We have got to
get that message across.


SCHULTZ: So when ever I might say that I think the Republicans want war, I
could play that sound bite and back it up. I mean, there were absolutes in
that sound bite. I mean he wants to bomb Iran right now.

Now, John Boehner is adding to the tension once again.

Today, his office announced that he headed to Israel to visit the newly
reelected Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the coming weeks. They`re
getting to be good buddies.

Joining me tonight of the Daily Beast Columnist, Dean Obeidallah. Dean,
good to have you with us tonight.


SCHULTZ: And I guess I`ve never heard anybody advocate for war as much as
-- you just heard the Congressman from Texas advocate for it. Do you think
that there is a number of Republicans that feel the same way with but just
don`t say it?

OBEIDALLAH: Maybe deep down, I mean, it`s hard to speculate like that but
I mean there are people out there I think on the right who were saying,
"Hey, do you like the Iraq War. You`re going to love the Iran War."

And the reality is, first of all, that`s not a craziest thing Louie Gohmert
ever said, what we just heard him say. But secondly, some people actually
think a war with Iran or bombing their nuclear plant is going to end it.
Generally (ph), have you seen military expert say things at best, it`s a
temporary solution, at best it`s not a long-term solution. And Iran is not

Iraq, we fought just about a third world of the country who`s Saddam
Hussein supporters. Iran is a country of 80 million people unified. So
this is the whole different situation...

SCHULTZ: He says anything, anything that looks like a nuclear facility.
Now, that`s a hell of a decision-making process, folks. So let me tell
you, if it looks nuke we go after (ph) and I`ve never heard that criteria

OBEIDALLAH: I think they would (inaudible) on it. I think he says his
bomb. I mean it`s a little scary...

SCHULTZ: That`s right.

OBEIDALLAH: ... what his saying.

SCHULTZ: All right. What do you make of Boehner`s visit to Israel?
What`s going on here? Is this a new forged relationship and a new alliance
that Benjamin Netanyahu really may have a lot of influence on the
Republicans? What do you make of it?

OBEIDALLAH: I think John Boehner and Netanyahu, it`s like their honeymoon.
These two are truly in love. And you know, this honestly would be a time
for Netanyahu to say, "I just want a reelection. Let me do a reset with
President Obama. Let me put everything -- in the past, our promise we
had." Instead -- and tell John Boehner, don`t come now. He could do that.
Instead they`re not.

And (inaudible) to me it`s another action of disrespect to our President.
And in the long run, it`s not helpful for Israel security. They are making
the support of Israel much more partisan issue.


OBEIDALLAH: And I don`t think that`s -- have you supported Israel, you
don`t want this. You should tell John Boehner, don`t go. And tell to
Benjamin Netanyahu to work with our president now. Make it a bipartisan
support for Israel.

SCHULTZ: All right. And what about this, the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee is getting bipartisan support for a bill called the Iran Nuclear
Agreement Review Act and it would require Congress to approve any deal
before sanctions are allowed to be rolled back. How does that change
things, you think?

OBEIDALLAH: It could change things but you know what? In my heart, I
don`t think the Republican through Senate will agree to anything President
Obama agrees with the Iranians. And I`m going to be...


OBEIDALLAH: ... honest about that. I think they would do anything to
scuttle even a good deal. I don`t mean they want President Obama to take
credit, in someway they`re looking to 2016. And stopping this deal is part
of their platform, and I really think that.

So to me, I think they`ll do anything even a good deal. I think they`re
going to try to stop it. I hope people keep me -- hold in my words but I
think you`re going to see that.

SCHULTZ: All right Dean Obeidallah, the Daily Beast...

OBEIDALLAH: Thanks to you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: ... great to have you with us tonight. I appreciate your time.

Coming up, Monica Lewinsky is back in the news. The Rapid Response Panel
is next here on the Ed Show. We are back.

Market Wrap.

Stocks end the week with a rally. The DOW jumps 168 points, the S&P
climbed 18 and the NASDAQ adds 34 to close back above of with the 5,000

Tiffany shares split nearly 4 percent today after a latest earnings report.
Profits came into penny ahead of estimates while revenue was in line, but
it`s 2015 outlook is appointed.

Meanwhile, shares of Biogen Idec finished sharply higher. The company`s
experimental Alzheimer`s drug showed promise in an early study.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.

The first victim of cyber bullying has taken a stand. Monica Lewinsky is
back at the news, and she step and back into the spotlight.

In a Ted Talk, she recounts how the Internet revolution made her a
worldwide target during the Clinton scandal.

Now, she is calling on people to become up standers instead of bystanders
when it comes to public humiliation.

Well, Lewinsky is adding her voice to the growing movement to stop Internet


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People can be cool and online, they can be even

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re a huge loser.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 73 percent of Americans say they have witnessed the
bullying. 40 percent say they are victims.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All of our prestigious institution have been
compromised by the stench of cyber bullying.

DR. SUSAN LIPKINS, PSYCHOLOGIST: It is much more damaging when we have the
ability to bully without having anywhere turned to identify who that
perpetrator is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No one likes you. Do everyone a favor, just kill

LEWINSKY: Apparently, I`m a whore. I`ve been called the C word, tart
(ph), bimbo, glutty.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This just isn`t a virtual threat.

LEWINSKY: The experience of shame and humiliation online is different in
offline. It honestly feels like the whole world is laughing at you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These threats have real impact.

LEWINSKY: A relentless mantra in my head. I want to die.

happen on social media is so abusive and everyone needs to take personal

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This YOLO terrorist will not be tolerated.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lewinsky once the target of ugly attacks and ridicule
is now courageously tackling the topic. She says because it`s time to stop
tiptoeing around my past. It`s time to take back my narrative.

LEWINSKY: It may not be painless quick or easy that you can insist on a
different ending to your story.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight in our Rapid Response Panel, John Fugelsang,
Liberal Commentator and host of "Tell Me Everything" on SiriusXM and
Zerlina Maxwell, Political Analyst and Contributor to Essence Magazine.
Great to have both of you with us.

Zerlina, you first, do you think Monica Lewinsky will have a big impact and
really begin a change? What do you think?

ZERLINA MAXWELL, POLITICAL ANALYST: I think so but I think that that
change had already begun, because there are a lot of journalists, women
journalist in particular including myself, who have experience this

I mean, the first time I was on your show Ed, two years ago, it was because
I was the target of online harassment and death threat...


MAXWELL: ... because of a segment I did on Fox News. And I just do not
think that any longer we can attack women, and their opinions, and their
right to speak by threatening to murder them.

I think that we all as a collective society and as social media users, and
Internet users, we have to have a higher standard of the quorum and

SCHULTZ: Well, there`s lies, there`s innuendo, there`s a reputations
smashing. I mean, you name it.

You know, if you want to get done with it, you know, get rid of your
personal Twitter account. I did it a month ago and, John, I got to say
have it missed it a bit.

You know, we think we need these tools in the media but there is a way,
just get away from it.

Now, are we turning the corner on cyber bullying? What do you make of

FUGELSANG: No. Actually, we`re not turning the corner on it just yet.
We`re ways away from that.

We need to have a lot more voices lens (ph) to this dialogue. And whatever
you think about Monica Lewinsky, you don`t have to be a fan of hers to
appreciate that she is taking her notoriety and using it for something

SCHULTZ: I agree.

FUGELSANG: My biggest issue here, Ed, I`m someone on social media who gets
attacked by these cowards everyday and it`s important to remember that all
bullies are cowards.

But my issues with the word "bullying", I would like to see us get away
from this archaic, 1950s Archie comic term because people don`t take it
seriously. It`s like saying that -- it`s like the little rascals. You
know, it`s like saying the ISIS is pettish.

I`d rather use more appropriate language like peer abuse or harassment,
because I don`t think we`re going to take it seriously as a nation if we`re
still using a term that sounds, frankly, like you know, something from an
after school special.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. But, you know, Zerlina, freedom of speech. I mean, you
can`t (inaudible) within a kind of legislation. I mean, this is the
fishbowl that our society swims in. How else do you view it?

MAXWELL: Well, I think, you know, Ed, in terms of the free speech
argument, you know, you don`t have the right to threaten to kill me. You
don`t have the right to threaten to rape me and so, there are limits to
free speech.

And there`s the legislation has not yet caught up, although in state like
New Jersey...


MAXWELL: ... for example, after the case of Tyler Clementi were he
committed suicide after being harassed online by his roommate. New Jersey
did pass a very strong cyber bullying law.


SCHULTZ: So, how would you control that?

MAXWELL: Well, I think that the threats when they are specific, when if
somebody, you know, who is going be on just an aspirational threat or
insulting you personally. When it goes to physical violence, I think that
Twitter and Facebook and social media platforms as well as other users on
those platforms need to self-police and Twitter needs to do...

SCHULTZ: Indeed.

MAXWELL: ... a lot of better job in enforcing their terms of service
because it actually says in their terms of service that you cannot threaten
to kill someone on Twitter. And yet...


MAXWELL: ... that happens to people like me and other women journalist
every single day.

And so, it`s their job...

SCHULTZ: All right.

MAXWELL: ... to enforce that.

SCHULTZ: So, John, what are they do?

FUGELSANG: Well, they can start closing down these accounts or even
better, they can start revealing the names of the individuals...


FUGELSANG: ... almost universally men behind these accounts.

We can`t force men to have more empathy and as bad as guys like you and I
may get it from this harassers on Twitter, Ed, we have no idea, no man can
have any idea how abusive this is for a woman because it`s disgusting and


FUGELSANG: I do think that the ability to create tons and tons of dummy
accounts where you never have to show your name, never have to show your
face -- it just put out the most abusive, slanderous, libelous content.

I`ve had people take my head shot and have accounts with my name on them
and try to sabotage me professionally with people I worked with in the


FUGELSANG: At some point, Twitter has got to stepped in and be responsible
and say, you know, what we`re going to reveal the names of the guys who do
this because that will force...


FUGELSANG: ... these cowards to grow up and act like men.

And this is never going to stop happening if dudes act like men.

SCHULTZ: There`s people on Twitter that put out personal information about
people that is simply incorrect.

FUGELSANG: All the time.

SCHULTZ: You know and they`re in fake accounts and, you know...

FUGELSANG: All the time.

SCHULTZ: ... you can`t find them to do anything as far as any kind of law
enforcement followup. So, should Congress be looking at this?

I don`t want to sound too heavy handed here but look, it doesn`t sound like
the industry is monitoring itself from what I`m hearing from both of you

So, is there a government role here, Zerlina?

MAXWELL: Yeah -- well, I do think so because, you know, there`s a case a
few years ago about a teenager Megan Meier who committed suicide, who
actually turned out to be bullied by a classmate`s mother and there was
legislation -- federal legislation proposed that hasn`t yet been passed.

And I do think that legislators do need to take a look, a serious look at
online harassment because what`s going to happen here is that Twitter
probably isn`t going to actually do something until someone is killed and
is directly linked back to online harassment on their platform.

And they need to do something before that happens. They need to prevent
that coming murder because it`s coming.

SCHULTZ: All right. Great to have both of you with us tonight. Zerlina

MAXWELL: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: ... and of course, John Fugelsang, great to have you.

FUGELSANG: Thank you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Still ahead, Mitch McConnell`s revolutionary new plan to fund the
country sounds pretty familiar to me. Senator Bernie Sanders weighs in.

Stay with us. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Tonight, two-minute drill. Here we go.

March Madness continues earlier today.

Second-seeded Kansas beat number 15-seed New Mexico States, 75-56. Number
seven, Michigan State knocked off number 10-seed Georgia in a 70-63 win.
Number 5-seed Northern Iowa beat number 12-seed Wyoming, 71-54. And -- in
the West Virginia taking out number 12-seed Buffalo in a close with 68-62.

And within the past hour (inaudible) state in Virginia also advance to the
next round of the tournament. So far no major upsets have taken place

Ten games still have to be finish tonight and eight games will take place

We`ll be right back. Stay with us. This is the Ed Show on MSNBC



MCCONNELL: It`s a budget that controls spending, reduces the deficits and
improves programs like Medicaid. It`s budget that will support economic
growth and more opportunity for hardworking families while protecting our
most vulnerable citizens. And it`s a budget that would allow us to repeal
and replace a program that hurt`s the middle-class, Obamacare.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed show.

Finally, tonight when Mitch McConnel took over the Senate, majority leaders
position he said that he was going to do things differently.

The budget propose by Senate Republicans on Wednesday proves, that`s all

McConnell can dress up the rhetoric in any way he wants but he still saying
the same all stuff, repeal Obamacare, slash Medicare Medicaid, and the
military spending, cut billions from the supplemental nutritionist
assistance program. It`s a same old stuff.

The full Senate will start its work on the Republican budget on Monday.

McConnell said that the Senate will take at least one vote on budget
amendments the same day.

For the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee is with us tonight,
Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. Senator, great to have you with us.

I`m intrigue by the statement of Mitch McConnell saying that this budget
will improve Medicaid. You got to break that down for us, Senator, what is

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (D) VERMONT: Well, just it`s how you define the word
"improvement". If you mean that they will be massive cuts in Medicaid. If
you mean that millions of people will -- be thrown off of health insurance
including some of the most vulnerable people in this country, including,
you know, seniors who are living in nursing homes. If that is improving
Medicaid, well, some of us would have some disagreements.

I suspect what it means is that, they going to block grant and make major
cuts and then give it over to the states. That`s he`s ambition.

SCHULTZ: To your knowledge, are there is -- Senator, to your knowledge,
are there Senate Democrats that would go along with block grants to states
on Medicaid?

SANDERS: To the best of my knowledge they`re not. It`s not just block
grants, Ed, its major cuts plus the block grants...


SANDERS: ... in doing your way with all of the, you know, regulations that
we have right, to protect most vulnerable people in this country.

You know, Ed, when you talk about these Republican budget proposals, what
you`re talking about is the Robin Hood principle in reverse. What the
Republicans doing is taking away from the poor and the most vulnerable
people in this country in order to give more tax breaks to the wealthy and
the largest corporations. And at the same time, they are ignoring the
enormous issues and problems facing our country such as rebuilding our
crumbling infrastructure.

SCHULTZ: All right. We have got defense spending caps in the Obama years
but now, this of course would blow that up. You`ve got the Republicans who
are against the deal with the Iranians on a nuclear agreement. You got
some in the house who are saying we got bomb them right away. And then you
look at their budget and they got a lot of room of defense spending. Your

SANDER: Well, Ed, here is the ultimate hypocrisy. The Republicans tell us
that we have to cut Social Security, and Medicare, and Medicaid, and
education, and nutrition, because of the terrible deficit. That`s why we
have to cut all these programs.

And yet, when it comes to military spending, what they did yesterday in the
Senate Budget Committee is, increase military spending by $38 billion and
put it into an off budget slush fund. So talk about hypocrisy.

Now, the thing that I worry about and we`re going to challenge them on the
floor next week is that, as you know one of the reasons our national debt
is so high is, we went to war and Iraq and Afghanistan, and Republicans
refuse to pay for it.


SANDERS: Like the country, they gave out huge tax breaks to the rich. I
fear very much that this is what they want to do again, going to another
war not pay for it. We are not going to let them do that.

SCHULTZ: Nothing on the table when it comes to climate change in this
budget either is there?

SANDERS: No. Absolutely, not. No. That`s not something that they


SANDERS: ... the scientific communities opinion on.

SCHULTZ: Well, I mean that`s rather our archaic. It is a rehash of what
this country has been through in the past. There`s very little for job
investment, infrastructure investment, more military spending, tax cuts for
the corporations. I mean do you think the country gets it that it the same
movie we`re seeing?

SANDERS: Well, the answer is, you know, I don`t know how much the
corporate media will be talking about what`s in the budget. But I could
tell on issue by issue, the American people do not believe to give tax
breaks to billionaires and cut Medicare or education. That that`s not what
the American people believe.

I will be offering an amendment, Ed, that will substantially increase
funding to rebuild our infrastructure and in the process, create millions
of good paying jobs. Others will be offering an amendment to raise the
minimum wage to a living wage. We`ll be dealing with pay equity. We`ll be
dealing with all the type.

What we dealing with making college affordable in addressing the crisis of
high student debts. Those in fact all the issues that I think the American
people want to see addressed.

SCHULTZ: I don`t think there`s any doubt about that. Senator, when is the
announcement coming for you running for the nomination?

SANDERS: We`re working on that, Ed. You will be one of the first to know.

SCHULTZ: Well, the ways is going it looks like Hillary can run out and
post. Of course she hasn`t it announced here. But I mean, earlier in this
broadcast, she said that there are some key issues that we got to have
discussion on because 2016 is a heck whole a lot different than 2008 when
it comes to the income gap in this country, and have the middle-classes
might not move forward. And if we don`t have that debate we are not doing
this country as service.

Senator, I hope you and others run as well. We need the debate in this
country, no question about it. I appreciate your time tonight, Bernie
Sanders. Thanks so much, Senator.

And we of course have been down here in Florida all week long working on a
climate change series, telling the story about the rising sea level and how
the communities in South Florida are dealing with it. That`s are next big
series coming up on the Ed show, here on MSNBC.

Back to the snowy country, that`s the Ed show. I`m Ed Schultz.

PoliticsNation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now. Good evening,


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