The Ed Show for Monday, March 23rd, 2015
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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: March 23, 2015
Guest: Brad Woodhouse, Mercedes Schlapp, Barry Lynn, Genevieve Wood,
Thomas Mesereau, Melborn Adams, Jennifer Epps-Addison, John Nichols
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good morning Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from New York.
Let`s get to work.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SENATOR TED CRUZ, (R) TEXAS: I am announcing that I`m running for
president of the United States.
SCHULTZ: Caching fire.
CRUZ: The whole world is on fire.
SCHULTZ: Plus, courting (ph) working America.
HILLARY CLINTON, FRM. SECRETARY OF STATE: What do we do to better equip
our people to be able to take the job.
SCHULTZ: Later, glorifying segregation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s not about what race you are, you would like to
give your life for this country.
SCHULTZ: And taking away your weekends.
GOV. SCOTT WALKER, (R) WISCONSIN: Time is just right and again it`s more,
more often (ph).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for watching.
Senator Ted Cruz is officially running for president. He wants to be the
man to run this country.
If you`re a liberal, this is a good day. This is exactly what we wanted.
And at this hour it`s not clear when he plans to dropout off the race.
Cruz is now what you would call a serious contender.
He will only serve to disrupt the Republican field, so it`s going to be
interesting to see how they handle this guy.
Earlier today, Cruz kicked off his campaign at Liberty University in
Lynchburg, Virginia, the ultraconservative Christian school, of course, was
founded by the late Pastor Jerry Falwell.
Cruz spoke extensively about his faith, and his family, and tried to gain
support. Cruz is making the pitch for the social conservative vote.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CRUZ: For so many American`s, the promise of America, seems more and more
distant, what is the promise of America? The idea, the revolutionary idea,
that this country was founded upon which is that our rights, they don`t
come from man. They come from God Almighty.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Reclaiming the promise of America was a central theme in Cruz`s
speech today at Liberty University. Cruz urged the crowd to imagine a
president who would standup to Iran, abolish the IRS, depend the boarder,
protect the sanctity of marriage, and of course repeal Obamacare.
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CRUZ: Five years ago today, the President signed Obamacare into law,
instead of the joblessness, instead of the million forced into part-time
work, instead of the million who`ve lost their health insurance, lost their
doctors, have faced skyrocketing health insurance premiums. Imagine in
2017, a new president signing legislation repealing every word of
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Joblessness, skyrocketing rates, I mean, isn`t it rather unusual
that a guy who was so faith-based and connected, he would use the platform
of Jerry Falwell`s college to go out and lie to the American people?
Cruz ended his speech for the rallying cry to conservatives across the
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CRUZ: The answer will not come from Washington. It will come only from
the men and women across this country, from men and women, from people of
faith, from lovers of liberty, from people who respect the constitution.
It will only come as it is come at every other time of challenge in this
country when the American people stand together and say, "We will get back
to the principles that have made this country great. We will get back and
restore that shining city on a hill."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Is he using a teleprompter there? Oh, probably not -- a red meat
speech for the Republican base, no doubt about it.
Cruz toned down his typical rhetoric for his presidential announcement.
Unfortunately for Cruz, the video library is rather extensive.
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CRUZ: I intend to speak and support of defunding Obamacare, until I am no
longer able to stand.
For 4 million to 5 million people here illegally, he is promising to print
up and give work authorizations. Essentially, he is gotten in the job of
counterfeiting immigration papers.
And then it morphed, it wasn`t global warming anymore. It`s became climate
change. And the problem with climate change is there`s never been a day in
the history of the world in which the climate is not changing.
You look at our constitution, you look at our bill of rights, this is an
administration that seems bound and determined to violate every single one
of our bill of rights. I don`t know that they`ve yet violated the Third
Amendment, but I expect them to start quartering soldiers in peoples` homes
The whole world is on fire.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The world is on fire?
CRUZ: The world is on fire, yes. You`re world is on fire. But you know
what? You`re mommy is here and everyone is here to make sure that the
world you grow up in is even best.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: And don`t you find that ironic that the guy who loves to jump in
front of the parade all the time, is the first one to jump out for both
parties and say he wants to be a president?
Cruz publicly attacked Chuck Hagel. I remember those days, during his
nomination for Defense Secretary.
He wrote in a column, "Hagel`s nomination is been publicly celebrated by
the Iranian government." He said that about a Vietnam veteran.
It`s a claim that was blatantly false. Ted Cruz played a major role in the
2013 government shutdown. The shutdown cost this economy, our country, $24
billion, so he could grandstand.
Obamacare was still funded and people got their health insurance. Cruz
just wanted headlines to boost the ultraconservative support for his
presidential run. Well, let`s see if he gets it.
Everything Cruz has done in the Senate has been to position himself for
today. Come on, the rest of you jump in. Let`s get going.
Get your cellphones out, I want to know what you think.
Tonight`s question, "Will Ted Cruz be the first Canadian-born president of
the United States? Great question. He was owned (ph) that was always
questioning the legitimacy of Barack Obama. Will he be the first one from
Canada to be president of United States? Text A for Yes, text B for No to
67622, we`ll bring you the results later on in the show.
For more, let me bring in Brad Woodhouse who is the President of American
Bridge 21st Century, Mercedes Schlapp with us tonight, a Republican
Strategist and former Spokesperson for George W. Bush, and also Barry Lynn,
Executive Director of Americans United for the separation of church and
state. Barry, I`ll go with you first I can hear tonight.
BARRY LYNN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF AMERICANS UNITED: All right.
SCHULTZ: With the platform, I mean, isn`t that a signal in itself? Your
thoughts on the stage.
LYNN: Yes. My thoughts in four words, "Here we go again". In 2012, not
one or two but four candidates for the Republican nomination for the
president, he said God had told him to run. And Rick Santorum`s case, he
said God told his wife he should run. Needless to say there was
miscommunication on the part of all four of them.
But right now, when you have someone starting a campaign at Liberty
University, the largest Christian university in the world, I`d to say, you
send a pretty strong signal. When you tell the story of your family and
how Jesus saved his two alcoholic parents, I would say, you`re pretty much
saying -- and God wants me to help save America. I`m not worried again.
SCHULTZ: Isn`t he also say, Brad Woodhouse, that, you know, if Reagan was
here and if Jerry Falwell was still here, I`ll be their guy.
BRAD WOODHOUSE, AMERICAN BRIDGE 21ST CENTURY: Well, I think he would love
to make that claim. I mean, I tell you, I think you`re absolutely right,
Ed. Ted Cruz spent the last two years in the Senate positioning himself
for this run. And what he`s positioned himself for is that, the heart and
minds of the grassroots GOP, those that hate the President, those who
believe all of the claptrap about the Affordable Care Act, those that don`t
believe that there`s been any climate change ever or any warming in the
And he is hoping that he could shoot the gap here, let Jeb Bush raise all
the money and maybe he can get the hearts of the grassroots...
WOODHOUSE: ... and be a factor in Iowa.
SCHULTZ: Mercedez, he has a very interesting past, a very interesting
family history unlike any other Republican candidate, whereas nobody else
has got jumped in yet. But what do you make? Does he have a chance here?
Do you think that even -- just forget where the polls are now...
MERCEDES SCHLAPP, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Right.
SCHULTZ: ... he is coming to New York right away to raise money, does he
have a shot of being a legitimate candidate here in mixing this thing up?
SCHLAPP: Well, the way I view it is that, he is a second year candidate.
I`ve placed Governor Jeb Bush, Governor Scott Walker and Senator Marco
Rubio sort of my first year candidates.
I think for Ted Cruz, he has come across being a very polarizing figure in
the Republican Party. The person has going to be able to gain that GOP
nomination, he will be (ph) the one who`s able to bridge the divide, bring
together the establishment along with the Tea Party. Republicans bring
together the social conservatives, the libertarians.
I mean, there`s all this different factions in the party and I just don`t
think Ted Cruz will be able to do that. He`s going to make a strong case
in -- for Iowa and South Carolina for the social conservatives, but that
just not going to be enough to pull in for the GOP nomination.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did you know?
SCHULTZ: What do you think his problem is going to be? I mean, there`s a
lot of people to think like Ted Cruz but he is never been a mender of
fences so to speak. He`s not one of this...
SCHULTZ: ... he`s a unapologetic conservative...
SCHULTZ: ... are there enough of them out there?
SCHLAPP: I just don`t think so. I think there is -- those are the
solutions. There are those obviously who stayed home in 2012 and didn`t go
out and vote for Governor Romney. But I believe you`re going to need to
take -- you`re going to need more than that. You`re going to need the
military hawks, the ones that -- that social conservatives, the
These states are also different in these primaries. I mean, obviously as
we know, New Hampshire is a very different makeup than an Iowa or South
Carolina. And obviously, Florida is a very stronghold for Governor Jed
Bush. So I think it just going to be very difficult for him.
The other point here is raising the money. Will he be able to raise $40
million to $50 million especially, considering that you have Governor Jed
Bush and Scott Walker right now raising a lot of money and basically having
those donors committed?
SCHULTZ: Well, social concern those right checks, don`t they, Brad? I
mean that`s one thing social conservatives do. It`s interesting where he
is going with this.
He wants the people out there to imagine, standup to Iran. He`s got all
the Republicans on that. He wants to abolish the IRS. There`s a lot of
tax protesters out there. He wants to defend the border. Oh my god, we
can`t do anything about immigration unless we do defend the border ever
He wants to protect the sanctity of marriage and he wants to repeal
Obamacare everybody who hates the President. I mean he`s got a pretty good
SWOT (ph) right here. What do you think, Brad?
WOODHOUSE: Well, I do. I think he -- I think he will appeal to a lot of
these conservative primary voters. And look, you know, with that type of
agenda, he could win Iowa. And look, we haven`t seen a lot of success all
the time and who wins Iowa, predicting who wins the nomination but
certainly one thing is true. If you win Iowa, you`re more than to gain
than if you lose...
WOODHOUSE: ... in Iowa.
And one thing I think will happen is, people going to have to make that
decision. Do they want a seed this territory to him or will they move to
the right to coop up some of these territory to Cruz and -- yeah. And I
think they move to the right.
SCHULTZ: Barry, who -- do you think will be his toughest competition for
the social conservatives?
LYNN: I mean, I think what he has to do now is to figure out a way that
Mike Huckabee who is not ahead of him in a poll just last week, and Ben
Carson who was another fringe candidate but who certainly was ahead of him
in a major poll last week. Can he find a way to say and I think he try
Let`s go to Liberty University. Let`s make it clear. We, I, Ted Cruz, I`m
holier than anybody else. That`s why chose to veil (ph). And I think
since Jerry Falwell -- yeah, and Jerry Falwell is on television 24/7. He`s
dead. But the point is people forget just what a rabidly conservative
radical place, Liberty University was and still is.
Those young people that came to the convocation today, if they didn`t show
up, they had to pay $10 fine. When we look at social media right during
and immediately after this speech, a lot of evangelical millennials,
millennials, 20 to 30 year olds don`t like the idea that they got to that
conference this morning not even knowing, in some cases.
Ted Cruz was going to be there. They were handed small...
LYNN: ... American flags and they said, it sounded like an endorsement.
Jerry Jr., the new President of Liberty University said...
LYNN: This is not an endorsement. We`ll see about that.
SCHULTZ: All right. Mercedes, let`s talk about Iowa for a moment.
This is the state that is produced Joni Ernst. This is the state that has
produced and supported for years Steve King who apparently has done some
flies with honey (ph) with Ted Cruz. I mean I think, and of course, we all
know that Cruz has got good communication skills.
SCHLAPP: Sure. Right.
SCHULTZ: He could go up on stage in front of a crowd and he`s got that
moxie about him and this is going to be interesting in Iowa. I mean...
SCHLAPP: It will be interesting, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Don`t you think -- I mean this is...
SCHLAPP: Oh, absolutely. But, I mean, that`s a fun -- the fun part about
Iowa is that, you`ve got it -- they all go and they all -- it`s so personal
for the Iowa primary voter. They really want that what to be corded (ph).
They want to know that these people are coming to their state, winning
their vote, and it`s very, again, it`s a personal relationship.
SCHLAPP: But again it`s a crowded field of these people. That`s why you
have Senator Marco Rubio that could appeal to the social conservatives as
well, as well Governor Huckabee.
I mean, you have several, it`s a crowded field -- it`s going to be
interesting to see how it place out in Iowa.
Again, Ted Cruz, I think one of the reasons why he went out first, although
from a superstitious standpoint, it`s never good to go out first. But
again, he went out first because he is saying I`m going out there making my
case strong for the social conservatives.
SCHULTZ: Sure. Well...
SCHLAPP: But again, it`s just, there is too many in there for
SCHULTZ: He comes across as guy that only wants to be president of the
United States for some of the country. You know, he comes across as a guy,
"If you don`t think they way I do, and I tell you what, I`m not your guy
and this is going to be interesting."
Great to have all of you with us tonight. I appreciate your time Brad
Woodhouse, Mercedes Schlapp and also Reverend Barry Lynn. We`ll do it
again. Thank you.
Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of screen. Share
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you can get my video podcast at wegoted.com.
Coming up, Hillary Clinton meets with labor leaders, a few of them today,
at the Center for American Progress in Washington. The big question is
where is she stand on trade? That`s what union want`s to know. Plus,
we`ll have the latest on the Robert Durst case. Attorney Thomas Mesereau
joins us to give expert analysis.
Stay with us. We`ll be right back at the Ed Show.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. It`s going to be interesting to see
how all of these unfold.
Labor Leaders have made it crystal clear to all Democrats that if you
signed with the Trans-Pacific Partnership. You`re on your own.
AFL-CIO, Executive Council approved a freeze on all PAC (ph) contributions
to federal candidates to focus its resources on the feeding fast-track, and
the TPP, and holding those behind it accountable.
Now, earlier today, Hillary Clinton shared the stage with two union leaders
on the council of the Senate for American Progress forum on urban issues.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CLINTON: What do we do to better equip our people to be able to take the
jobs and how do we keep middle-class families in cities where they want to
stay. They don`t want to leave. But they are being priced out.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Every Union leader in this country has said that the TPP is a
direct shot and a threat to the middle-class. Clinton was flanked by
AFSCME Lee Saunders and also the American Federation of Teacher
Association, Randi Weingarten.
It would have been the perfect time and setting for Hillary Clinton to
publicly side with labor and denounce the TPP, but she`s on her own
schedule and said, "We heard nothing on either fast-track or the TPP".
Today, mark the final two scheduled public appearances on Hillary Clinton`s
calendar. It`s most likely the last time we`ll hear from Clinton before
she announces her next step in early April. Let`s hope that there is a lot
of transparency when it comes to trade, jobs in the middle-class because
that`s all at stake. This is no time to be silent.
Joining me tonight, MSNBC Political Analyst Jonathan Alter, also Genevieve
Wood, Senior Contributor with the Daily Signal. Great to have both of you
JONATHAN ALTER, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Hi, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Jonathan, you first, what is this going to be a problem for
Hillary if the unions are as strong as the way they sound at this point on
ALTER: I don`t think it really will because the unions understand that
there are such stark differences between Democrats and Republicans now,
didn`t always, you know, wasn`t always the case. But now, they`re really
are and so that in the general election between Hillary and whoever the
Republican nominee is, they will be very strong for Hillary.
It`s in the meantime when somebody`s other candidates for Senate, Governor
-- they`re not going to get the AFL-CIO money unless they`re against TPP.
But I don`t think for Hillary, it`ll have big implications.
She`s going to be bobbing and weaving for a year and a half on this. I was
just thinking today, I had a flashback to sitting in George Stephanopoulos`
office in Little Rock when he was Bill Clinton`s Press Secretary in the `92
campaign. Well, into the `92 campaign, Mr. George is Governor Clinton for
NAFTA or against it, yes or no. And they still wouldn`t say because they
dance around those trade issues that`s the Clinton way.
SCHULTZ: Well, we know where it all ended up. Genevieve, is this an
opening for conservatives? It seems to me that the conservative movement
in America has a hard time convincing the middle-class that they`re on
their side and there could be a big divide here in the Democratic camp or
should I say that the commitment from the Clinton`s maybe somewhat short of
what is needed to labor, how do you see this?
GENEVIEVE WOOD, THE DAILY SIGNAL: Well look, I`m mean, I think it`s
possible that somebody may rise up in the side to --, you know, to
challenge Hillary in the primary. If they do, I think you will see a tug
of war here because folks like Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, others, I
mean, (inaudible) he may not say, "Will then, I`m going to knock Hillary
off". But they could made her talk about things and take stance that make
it a little bit more difficult for her especially with debate.
But look, I think most conservatives think free trade is a good thing. I
personally believe it`s a good thing. I think NAFTA that Bill Clinton was
a behind, that Hillary, you know, is kind of dance around in terms of would
she with Senate, whether she`s been for free trade at sometimes, other
times she`s been against it.
But here`s the deal, I think Hillary Clinton is not going to be for right-
to-work laws, OK. She`s not going to be somebody who says, "I don`t think
that union members shouldn`t be force to pay union deuces" and I think
labor unions care more about that issue than they do this trade agreement.
SCHULTZ: I don`t know, there`s a lot consternation in the union camps in
this country, very seldom. I don`t think ever it`s unprecedented that
every single union leader in this country is saying no to a trade deal.
But what do the conservatives have to do that connect with that economic
base that those people in this country were wages have been stagnant and
they have not had any progression as the wealthy in this country have.
That`s where it`s going to be won, isn`t it?
WOOD: You bet, Ed. You would be suggesting this because we`ve had free
trade and that`s a problem and I don`t think that`s truth.
SCHULTZ: Well, heck no. And then -- I mean, every trade deal we`ve lost
WOOD: That`s untrue. Since we`ve had...
SCHULTZ: That is true.
WOOD: Well, since we`ve had NAFTA, we`ve had over 19 million net new jobs
in this country...
SCHULTZ: Whoo (ph)?
WOOD: ... another 5 million since China joined WTO, and if you want to
look it which countries in the world...
SCHULTZ: Where do you get your numbers? I have to respectfully ask you,
where are you getting this -- there`s no trade commission in this country,
your trade watch group in this country that has said 9 million net new
WOODS: Well, maybe not the ones that you`re looking out. Look at the
index of economic freedom and look at these numbers as well.
SCHULTZ: All right.
WOOD: If you`re going to look at country not just the U.S. that are doing
better in terms of their overall wealth per capita income, how well they do
with poverty. Its countries did have free trade to the best, those are
most restrictive, are at the bottom of the income water. So I think we can
WOOD: ... argument about free trade, to the people in the middle class.
SCHULTZ: We have trade laws in this country that we can even enforce.
When we bring a trade case up, where somebody else is (inaudible) and it
takes over two years to get -- into come to probation (ph) because -- the
laws are so archaic at this point.
We`ve got emerging markets. We`ve got labor in this country fighting $0.27
an hour in Vietnam. Jonathan, your thoughts on this, (inaudible) are been
good trade deals?
ALTER: Well, you know, I`m not going to be able to settle that tonight.
It`s a complex.
SCHULTZ: It is.
ALTER: It is true that under Bill Clinton in his -- during his presidency,
the economy created 22 million jobs. So idea that NAFTA...
SCHULTZ: The dot-com boom.
ALTER: Not just the dot-com boom, the idea that NAFTA was this disaster
for the middle-class, I don`t think holds up under scrutiny but there are
serious problems, serious questions about TPP.
SCHULTZ: You think that NAFTA has been a net job gainer?
ALTER: I think that figuring it out, it is something you can write 20 PhD
SCHULTZ: We have lost 5 million manufacturing jobs in this country.
SCHULTZ: Wait a minute.
ALTER: Its way more complicated...
ALTER: A lot of them went to Asia that didn`t really have very much to do
SCHULTZ: Oh, they went overseas, that`s the bottom line...
ALTER: So, it`s a very complicated...
SCHULTZ: And what about NAFTA?
ALTER: It`s a very complicated story but...
ALTER: ... we would agree is that, there do have to be tougher
environmental and workplace retraining protections in this trade deals --
which you could argue that the government, that our government, has not
driven a tough enough bargain on some of these deals...
ALTER: ... and it`s good to have pressure on them to do so. But that`s
different from saying that, you know, they`re all just a complete disaster
for the country which is much more complicated.
SCHULTZ: All right. We will have both of you back to talk about this..
SCHULTZ: ... and I`ll show you exactly where I`m getting my numbers. All
right, Jonathan Alter, Genevieve Wood, thanks for the conversation.
ALTER: Thanks, Ed.
WOOD: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: You bet.
Coming up, the segregation of heroes. We`ll bring you the story of South
Carolina mayor suing the state in the name of equality. Plus, Scott
Walkers war on weekends. You mean we got all work on the weekends if
somebody tells us to. There`s no protection at all. We`ll tell you about
the Republican push for a longer work weeks.
Stay with us, we`ll be right back.
SCHULTZ: And we are back.
Real estate tycoon and accused murder Robert Durst has been denied bail in
Louisiana. Lawyers are fighting for his extradition.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RICHARD DEGUERIN, ROBERT DURST`S ATTORNEY: I didn`t have any hope at all
that the judge was going to say a bail bond, so we`re not surprise about it
at all, and we will get a preliminary hearing on April the 2nd.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Durst`s the subject of HBO`s "The Jinx", returned to Court
Louisiana (ph) today for a preliminary hearing on weapons and drug charges.
On Friday, Durst legal team questioned the legality of the arrest in New
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When Robert Durst appears in the bail hearing in New
Orleans courtroom on weapons charges, his attorneys will demand an
immediate preliminary hearing. Those charges were filed after police
arrested Durst at New Orleans Marriott for the murder of his friend Susan
Berman 15 years ago in Los Angeles.
In court documents, Durst`s attorney argues that the California arrest
warrant was issued without probable cause to coincide with the final
episode of the HBO docudrama "The Jinx".
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Legal experts suggest any delay in transferring Durst might help
prosecutors in Los Angeles. Durst denies any wrongdoing in the murder
charge against him.
Thomas Mesereau joins us tonight, Criminal Defense Attorney. Mr. Mesereau,
great to have you with us again.
As this case unfolds, what do you think the advantages for the prosecutors
THOMAS MESEREAU, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, this going to be a
little bit of a battle between prosecutors in Los Angeles and prosecutors
I would think the prosecutors in Los Angeles will be asking their
counterparts in Louisiana to defer to their case because of some more
He is charge of weapon violations and drug violations in Louisiana. He is
charge of murder with special circumstances in California which could bring
the death penalty. He would think the prosecutors would work it out.
I think the defense is going to use all of these proceedings as a vehicle
to get information. The defense asked for a preliminary hearing in
Louisiana because they want to find out what the police are going to say,
what the FBI is going to say, what they think happen, what evidence they
have, et cetera. They`re going to use it as a discovery device before he
get send to California which eventually will happen.
SCHULTZ: How unusual is this?
MESEREAU: You know, it`s quite unusual in a sense that he`s wanted in
different states for different offenses. It`s not unusual to arrest
someone in another state. But in this situation because of the high
profile nature of the case, you may have prosecutors in both states,
Louisiana and California, who want to get first crack out and win a high
profile case if they can.
SCHULTZ: OK. So, does it matter the timing of all of these?
MESEREAU: I think it does. There are many ways to look at this. If he
were to make a deal on Louisiana before he sent to California, they would
require him, probably, to be convicted of some felony.
If he then went to California and defended himself in the murder with
special circumstances case in Los Angeles and if he were to testify, that
felony likely would come in as a way to impeach him.
If he seats in Louisiana unless that case take its course, he may learn
more about with people of California are doing because his lawyers are
very, very clever and very smart. They may try and bring in people from
California just to get them on the stand and find out what they`re thinking
It`s a fascinating, you know, confluence of events.
SCHULTZ: And as a criminal defense attorney, where would you rather defend
MESEREAU: Well, you know, I have not defended a case in Louisiana but I
think I would like to see and come to California and face a case that
everybody is saying is overwhelming but I`m not so sure it is.
You know, how many times that we heard people in California say they have
an overwhelming case. O.J. Simpson, Robert Blake, Michael Jackson, whom I
defended in his trial. I mean, just because everybody says we have an
ironclad case don`t necessarily believe it.
SCHULTZ: OK. Thomas Mesereau, Defense Attorney, great to have you with us
tonight, I appreciate your expertise and insight. Thanks for joining us.
There`s a lot more coming up in the Ed Show. Stay with us. We`ll be right
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A reminder of the segregated south still stands on Main Street in
Greenwood, South Carolina.
A monument honoring the town`s war heroes various plaques the divide World
War I and II soldiers into white and colored.
The Mayor of Greenwood, South Carolina is fighting to change the plaques
although South Carolina law is stuck in the past.
NBC`s Mark Potter has more.
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MARK POTTER, NBC CORRESPONDENT: On Main Street, an aging war memorial
honors the fallen from World Wars I and II, Korea and Vietnam. Reflecting
the nation segregation is past, the plaques for the two world wars listed
dead from Greenwood as either white or colored which for those seeing it in
2015 can be a shock.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah. This is kind of sad, isn`t it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I grow up here but just when I see it in black and
white, you know, just -- it bothers me.
POTTER: It also bothers deeply the Mayor of Greenwood, Welborn Adams who
leads the town that`s 42 percent black.
MAYOR WELBORN ADAMS, (D) GREENWOOD, SOUTH CAROLINA: The term "colored" is
offensive. It`s offensive to me, it`s like I don`t imagine how it feels to
POTTER: Arguing that whites and blacks both fought and died and should be
honored together. Mayor Adams raised $15,000 to build new plaques with all
the dead listed alphabetically not by race.
ADAMS: I don`t think Main Street is a place where you should be glorified
POTTER: But today, those plaques still sit in the mayor`s office after he
learned a state law prohibits changing historical monuments without a two-
thirds vote of the legislature.
Former National Park historian and painter, Eric Williams believes the
plaques should stay right where they are to preserve history and teach
ERIC WILLIAMS, FMR. NATIONAL HISTORIAN: They need to move it at one time
(inaudible) was no always as welcoming and integrated as it is now for
POTTER: But State Senator Floyd Nicholson disagrees.
SEN. FLOYD NICHOLSON, (D) SOUTH CAROLINA: We`ve been divided too long.
POTTER: He has introduced a bill to change the plaques honoring the dead.
NICHOLSON: I think that`s so important, you know, that they`d be given the
same respect. It`s not about what race you are. You won in the fight and
gave your life for this country.
POTTER: But it seems unlikely his bill will pass this year. Mayor Adams
says he has considering a lawsuit against the state demanding the fallen
here be honored equally.
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SCHULTZ: And I`m joined tonight by Melborn Adams. He is the mayor of
Greenwood, South Carolina.
Mr. Adams, good to have you with us tonight here on MSNBC, the Ed Show.
What is your response to those who say the plaques should stay there and
that the monument should stay there because of the historical significance?
ADAMS: You know, my response would be history should be taught in museums
and in schools. We`re on Main Street is a center, is really the center of
our commerce and we don`t need to have an offensive word in the middle of
our commerce district.
SCHULTZ: Now, this isn`t about politics. I mean, this is about respect
versus disrespect and times change. I mean, if you had to capsulized why
you want this done, how would you put it?
ADAMS: Well, the minorities (inaudible) does is -- I didn`t put the plaque
up, the American Legion, a local American Legion put the plaques up. And
they`ve come along and said, they want to change it.
It`s their plaques and they want to change it. This is a group of all
white men who felt like it`s time to take this offensive term "colored" off
of our from Main Street. So I`m just supporting their efforts and I`m
appreciative that they can see that things change and we need to be
progressive. Greenwood was a very progressive town and I`m just trying to
embrace the spirit.
SCHULTZ: What kind of influence do you think they`ll have on the
ADAMS: You know, in Columbia, it`s hard have influence if you`re in a town
like Greenwood, you know, we have good ways away, we`re an hour have a way
from Columbia and it seems like the farther away you get from Greenwood,
the harder it is to have influence with those Representatives and Senators.
SCHULTZ: Do you...
ADAMS: Our local Senator and...
SCHULTZ: Do your residence want this change?
ADAMS: Yes. The city overwhelmingly wants this changed. It`s the state
are on his back.
SCHULTZ: And there is a law as it stated in Mr. Potters report that it`s a
historical monument and that the legislature has to make the decision on
this although the people that put it there want a change. Where is this
going to come down?
ADAMS: Ed, you know, I think our legislative is just frightened of
anything racially tinted. And so I don`t think they`re going to address
it, I think I going to be stuck in a state committee and never would come
out to have a poll here and on the floor unfortunately.
So, yeah, it would not surprise me at all if it doesn`t go anywhere further
SCHULTZ: And this bill that it`s being brought forward by Senator
Nicholson. Do you think he -- is this going right down party lines?
ADAMS: It seems like it is, unfortunately. You know, and I`ve try to talk
with some Republican leaders and yet, they hear it, they hear me, and they
said "Yes, yeah, we`ll support it." And then it just, I don`t know what
happens to it when it gets in front of me. It didn`t seem we pushed out.
The judiciary committee, that`s where its hang up in the Senate.
SCHULTZ: Mayor, to your knowledge, are there are other towns in South
Carolina that have plaques like this?
ADAMS: There are some that have these plaques, you know, I think probably
it was different is (inaudible) most prominent spot on Main Street. I
think that`s probably what kind of triggers our response.
SCHULTZ: And when would you...
ADAMS: And that committee...
SCHULTZ: Go ahead. Go ahead. I`m sorry.
ADAMS: Well, natural media has come to Greenwood before and focused on
this plaque because it is so prominent. You know, they`ll show this as an
example, this is a town that hasn`t moved forward so...
SCHULTZ: And will you file a lawsuit if this doesn`t go anywhere?
ADAMS: Yes. I`ve talked to Post 20 American Legion and they -- a matter
of fact, I`ve talked with their attorney yesterday. They will move forward
filing a lawsuit. You know, its constitutional right and freedom of
expression so, you know, there is a lot of grounds that we can move forward
SCHULTZ: And OK, we will follow up the story. The Mayor of Greenwood,
South Carolina, Mayor Welborn Adams, I appreciate your time tonight on the
Ed Show. Thank you so much.
Coming up, why does Scott Walker wants kill your weekends? I`m meant it,
wipe him out? You got a work. The punch out is next.
SCHULTZ: All right. Here we go a two-minute drill. How sweet it is,
although I haven`t seen any of the games. Just kidding.
NCAA tournament is down to the "Sweet 16". Kentucky continues to rule
taking out Cincinnati. The Bearcats, they go to 36-0 on the season. No,
that would be the Wildcats.
All right, the Shockers, they lived up to their name on Sunday Wichita
State took out a number 2-seed Kansas. UCLA, the decisive win for
University of Alabama, Birmingham is underdog, face a much tougher
challenge next time around. They`re going to be taking on Gonzaga.
But this weekends biggest upset was NC State pulling off a win over top
seeded Villanova. If Villanova`s loss left your bracket looking pretty
rough these days, you`re not alone.
Listen to this number, out of more than 11 million brackets, filled out
ESPN`s website none of them are perfect. In fact, just 14 people out of
the 11 million people correctly predicted the "Sweet 16" match ups.
It`s the tournament. Even the president`s bracket is look at pretty rough
these days. Only half of his "Sweet 16" pick are still on play and three
of is a "Elite Eight" teams are already out of the tournament.
He still has Kentucky going all the way unless of course, he`s change his
bracket. I don`t think so.
"Sweet 16" action kicks off on Thursday and of course there is a lot more
coming up on the Ed Show. Stay with us. We`ll be right back.
SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, this is the story for the folks who take a
shower after work.
Democracy, civil rights and labor, they are under attack in Wisconsin,
well-documented, no doubt.
Governor Scott Walker signed the right-to-work bill early this month. The
state assembly passed the legislation 62-35 after lawmakers debated for 19
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If they don`t like the union they can vote by majority
to decertify the union and not be a union. But Mr. Speaker and members, at
the end of the day, unions are about the middle-class.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Force union states lost 2.1 million jobs, that`s over a
decade, that`s convincing.
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SCHULTZ: So the arguments are what they are and do you think the
Republicans are going to stop there, no way. Now, the state -- the
Republicans are trying to repeal weekends.
State Senator Van Wanggaard and State Representative Mark Born, are
collaborating on a bill allowing workers to forfeit a day off voluntarily.
You see, Wisconsin currently has a law in place saying that workers must
have at least 24 consecutive hours of rest in every seven consecutive days
Well. Wisconsin is 40th in the nation in job growth not good at all. This
bill would chip way even further worker rights in the state and there`s
other news out in Wisconsin today.
Early today, the State Supreme Court declined to hear a challenge of
Wisconsin`s voter identification. Civil rights groups one of the court to
take up the case to prove the voter I.D. law disproportionately targets
racial minorities, seniors, and of course students, and people with
For more on all of this, let`s go to John Nichols Washington Correspondent
of The Nation, also with us tonight Jennifer Epps-Addison, Executive
Director for Wisconsin Jobs Now.
Jennifer, tell me how do the workers win on this deal if this legislation
goes through? This is worker protection isn`t it?
JENNIFER EPPS-ADDISON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, WISCONSIN JOBS NOW: Well,
absolute. And look, let`s be clear Wisconsin ranks 9 out of 10 out of all
midwestern states in job creation.
And so, Senator Wanggaard should really be embarrassed that he is actually
in search of a problem, right. He is going out there to create an
imaginary problem that serves that corporate agenda. And that is exactly
what they think they can do under Scott Walkers leadership.
But workers are fighting back, they`re not demanding an end to their work
week -- I`m sorry, to their weekend. What they`re out there demanding is a
stair schedule, a predictable schedule that allows them to plan for family
time, for education, and for second job. They`re a part of fighting for
the fair workweek initiative nationwide. And here in Wisconsin, it`s no
EPPS-ADDISON: We need to fight back in the streets not just seat back and
allow this corporate agenda to takeover our state.
SCHULTZ: John, is just gives business the upper hand on employees, doesn`t
JOHN NICHOLS, WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, THE NATION: Well it does. But it
also does something else. It really takes a part some of the basic
premises of the progress in the last 100 years. I mean what did unions
come together initially to fight for, an 8-hour a day, a 40-hour a week.
Yes, pay is important and in fact it`s vital for people to get by.
But also you want to have some structure that allows people to interact
with their family, to be a part of their community. And I fear what`s
happening in Wisconsin and frankly, what Scott Walker I think would like to
take to the whole country. He`s a model were people really define himself
as a little more than the employees of some corporation, not a citizens and
not as folks who really have a role beyond their workplace.
It`s a bad term and it goes way beyond this wages and hours it really...
NICHOLS: ... goes to the heard of the extent to which we respect human
SCHULTZ: Jennifer, does it surprise you that Walker is polling as good as
any of the Republican hopefuls right now? And I mean -- just keep coming
out workers in Wisconsin.
EPPS-ADDISON: Well, I mean given the field, it doesn`t surprise me. But I
think it`s important for folks to know that you shouldn`t underestimate
Scott Walker. He plays that corporate line better than anybody else but he
also appeals in its is willing to appeal to the basic, you know, everyday
voter I think what people have to do is a again communicate to friends and
families what is actually going on in Wisconsin.
People aren`t get it from a T.V. ad, they`re not going to get it from their
local news it`s about people taking action going door to door in their
communities long before there was ever in election, to talk about the
economy we need to build, and the country we need to build for everybody.
John is exactly right. This goes right after the American dream the idea
that you would have a balance between your work life and your family life.
We need to restore the American dream by having fair schedules and by going
in the opposite direction...
EPPS-ADDISON: ... and Scott Walker in his corporate (inaudible).
SCHULTZ: Where`s this push coming from, John, is this out of the ALEC (ph)
playbook, what is this? I mean, do Wisconsin residents want this?
NICHOLS: No. There is no out cry for it and then Wanggaard comes from a
working class town, Racine. It`s a historic industrial town tragically
it`s been incredibly hard hit by the bad trade policies promoted by people
like Paul Ryan.
And we end up in a situation now where all that Scott Walker and his allies
can say to people is, look, we`ll let you work more. We can`t begin to the
promise you that we`re going to create more jobs because we haven`t we
can`t begin to promise...
NICHOLS: ... you that we`re going to get you more wages or better wages
because we haven`t. But, you know, what we can do is say, well, if you
work yourself to the bone, if you work seven days a week, you know, 60, 70,
80 hours, you know, maybe you can scrape by.
SCHULTZ: Why is the state 40th in the job growth, Jennifer?
EPPS-ADDISON: I mean, I think there`s a lot of things but certainly
Governor Walkers refusal to consider raising in the minimum wage even by a
single penny has a lot to do with our stagnation in our job growth. You
have to understand that the majority of jobs created in Wisconsin and
across the country since the Great Recession are low pay service sector
EPPS-ADDISON: When those workers don`t have enough money in their pocket
then -- our economy isn`t going to grow.
SCHULTZ: And, Jennifer, I want your reaction with the State Supreme Court
not considering the challenge of the voter I.D.
EPPS-ADDISON: Well, I think it`s upsetting. Certainly, we need to demand
that voter I.D isn`t in place for the April election, this coming April.
But it means that person to person, neighbor to neighbor outreach needs to
start now. We can wait for a paid election staff. We got to get out there
as individuals as citizens and talk to our community and get them ready and
prepare to participate in their democracy.
SCHULTZ: John, did you think they were going to take it up?
NICHOLS: I`m afraid I didn`t necessarily expect that they would. But I`m
very sad about it. Because remember that Wisconsin has a long and rich
tradition of making it easy to vote, that`s why Wisconsin often leads the
country in voter turnout.
NICHOLS: Now, we see a situation were other states like Oregon are moving
very rapidly to make it easier to vote but Wisconsin`s going in the wrong
SCHULTZ: All right.
NICHOLS: I find it very troubling and especially as Jennifer points out
we`re about to have a very critical election for State Supreme Court.
NICHOLS: And the notion that we would all through the voting rules just
weeks before the election is something that we should all be concern.
SCHULTZ: All right. Great to have both of you with us tonight, I
appreciate your time.
That`s the Ed show, I`m Ed Schultz.
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