The Ed Show for Wednesday, March 25th, 2015
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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: March 25, 2015
Guest: James Peterson, Nina Turner, Amelia Hayes, Howard Dean, Jim Moore,
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from New York.
Let`s get to work.
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SCHULTZ: Tonight, a student at the center of a racism chant is about to
SEN. ANASTASIA PITTMAN, (D) OKLAHOMA: I don`t believe he is a racist.
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SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for watching.
We`re just moments away from a press conference with one of the SAE former
members down at the University of Oklahoma.
It was 17 days ago the University of Oklahoma student was caught on camera
participating in a racist chant. He will address the media, for the first
time we`ll carry it live here on the Ed Show.
The video are merge on the internet showing members of the Sigma Alpha
Epsilon fraternity singing references to lynching.
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SCHULTZ: Trustees of Oklahoma`s SAE chapter apologized, the National
Office dissolve the chapter. Rallies erupted on campus. University of
Oklahoma evicted the brothers from the fraternity house. Two SAE members
identified in the footage were expelled.
SAE announced that they will hire a National Director of Inclusion and put
its 15,000 members through diversity training.
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BLAIN AYERS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR: Although we find the song disgusting, we
also recognized that this is a moment to better engage in important
dialogue around issues of race and other diversity topics. And we won`t
shy away from doing so.
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SCHULTZ: The two students no longer at the university have stayed away
from the cameras until today.
Parker Rice, one of the two expelled student released a statement
apologizing for the incident. The family of Levi Pettit, the second
student captured on video issued an apology. The family called his
We`re awaiting Levi Pettit to speak at any moment. He is going to be
joined by Oklahoma State Senator Anastasia Pittman, who chairs the Oklahoma
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ANASTASIA: This is a great start, I think it has to have to happen in
order us to look forward and help this young move forward. But I think our
community has to learn a lot about it as well.
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SCHULTZ: The fill investigation of the incident is on going. Now, we are
told that the press conference is been pushed back. Some 15 minutes, we`re
told that the students will step forward and make about a three minutes or
four minutes statement and then take three questions. So it is very
controlled and we`re also told that the State Senator will be the first
person that will speak at the podium.
Until then, I`m joined tonight by Trymaine Lee, MSNBC National Reported,
Dr. Michael Eric Dyson, Professor of Georgetown University and Dr. James
Peterson, Director of Africana Studies at Lehigh University. Gentlemen,
great to have you with us tonight.
Dr. Dyson, you first. What is happening here today? It would seem to me
that this kid is going to come out and try to put his life back together.
No student at this age is used to this kind of national exposure and has to
be somewhat gut wrenching to him. But this is part of the process, how to
you see it?
MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, absolutely right.
First of all, I`m a professor so I have empathy for the young people who
were victimized by his racist chant. And I have empathy for him going
through an extremely difficulties process in full glare of public.
Coming to grips with the consequence of his behavior, standing up to speak
forth rightly to it, accompanied by a State Senator and his parents, I
assume, all of whom have found his behaviors disgusting, he now takes
responsibility for that.
And if we can use this as a jumping off point, we`re talking about a
broader culture, what that young man did, did not grow out of a vacuum
(ph), he grew out of a zestful of suppress bigotry, he grew out of
particular context within which it`d make sense to make racial slurs. And
it grows out of a culture that on the one hand dints itself post-racial.
And yet on the other hand, continues to grapple with the...
DYSON: ... persistence, malignants of bigotry in our culture. So all
those things are important but it`s important not to escape on him, even as
he takes responsibility to watch our hand a bit once he has made his
statement. Let`s look at the broader culture that perpetuates this legacy
SCHULTZ: Now, Dr. Dyson, You along with Dr. Peterson deal with college
students, African American college students. Dr. Peterson, how do you
think this will be received? Will students view this as something that has
to be done or is this more for the kid that`s involved in this than it is
anything else, what do you think?
JAMES PETERSON, DIR. OF AFRICANA STUDIES, LEHIGH UNIVERSITY: Yes. I think
I agree with Dr. Dyson that we need to take a look at some of the broader
issues here. You know, we both teacher predominantly, why institutions and
we deal with the host of issues around race, and around gender, and sexual
assault and unfortunately, are endemic to what we think of as a "Greek
community" on college campuses.
And so, well, I think it`s great that the national statement that SAE made
which is they`re going to hire some -- an Executive of Inclusion, and
they`re going to train their members.
I`m curious as -- where is the University of Oklahoma stands beyond
expelling these kids and beyond expelling that chapter of SAE because it`s
great for sort of -- for this young man to have an opportunity to redress
all these issues publicly. But I`d love to see what...
PETERSON: ... University of Oklahoma is going to do in terms of their
hiring practices with faculty in terms of recruiting, retaining students of
color first generation college students. I`m curious to see what the
institution is going to do, what is the institutional response is. Because
unfortunately, what happens around these racialized cases, Ed, is that, we
zero in on the kind of individual in nature of some of these things without
thinking about the systemic structures that prop them up.
SCHULTZ: Well, as far as the young person involved here is concern, this
is about, I think, can being remembered for what he`s about to do that what
actually happened. And that`s really what he has to do.
Now, I`m sure he`s had -- I`m speculating that he`s had some counseling and
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got to believe that.
SCHULTZ: ... on exactly how to handle something like this. But Trymaine
Lee, do you think this was part of the deal with the University of Oklahoma
or they`re out of it at this point? And I`m only speculating at this
point, but to me it`s more of what this kid says now than it was the event,
if we`re going to move forward.
TRYMAINE LEE, MSNBC NATIONAL REPORTER: I think this is part and parcel of
this idea of accountability on some level. When we look at all the
conversations that we`ve had over the last several months about the long
shadow of bigotry and racism, I mean, all the last messages whereas the
Police Department or any communities. One major piece of that people have
been singing this, it`s about accountability.
And so at least on this university, they`ve been striped the two young men
forced out of the school and now, you have to come to grips with the idea
that there`s all these public pressure and public scrutiny.
As you mentioned, 17days ago this young man was living in a completely
different life. Now it is a matter of just grasping on to whatever he can
to save himself and save his future so that, this apology will always be
linked to that very reprehensible, horrendous act to that he and his fellow
friends and college classmates took part in, is yet to known.
But to some degree, there is some accountability that you are acknowledging
how bad and despicable this was and the broader impact on the community.
SCHULTZ: You think that what SAE is doing is going to have any impact? I
mean, they`re making their 15,000 members across the country to take
diversity training? Or, is that window dressing?
LEE: At some degree, it`s always a window dressing, right, because we need
to see how it actually placed out. But I think it puts these others
institutions, other universities and colleges and these fraternal
communities on notice that you can`t just standby and allows these things
to happen. And you have to take some action where in years past, you
(inaudible) any action at all.
SCHULTZ: Dr. Dyson and Dr. Peterson, I want to ask both of you the same
question. If this was your student, what would you say to him before he
goes to the podium? Dr. Dyson?
DYSON: Well, I would say, look, first of all, you`re doing an honorable
thing because you did a dishonorable act. Now, you can erase or at least
minimized the damage that was done by being forthright about it.
Number two, understand that this is part of a larger problem. You don`t
get rid of this problem today by making a mea culpa and an apology and
therefore, dismissing it. How are you going to have an ongoing procedure
not only squeezing the bigotry out of yourself but addressing what Dr.
Peterson talking about in terms of broader culture what I referred to
earlier as the atmosphere that propagates this.
And then thirdly, how do you act as an agent of change among your own
fellow white students? Often white students can hear more from their
fellow students and their peers and other while people than they can from
people of color. So how do you address this within your own culture when
those jokes are told, when those smart aleck remarks are made, when those
bigoted stereotypes are put forth, how do you address them?
And then finally, as a student, how do we make sure that the curriculum
itself begins to reflect some of the changed atmosphere of race that is
going on this country at least some of the best thinking, the most
There`s a school of thought that talks about multiculturalism which is fine
and progressive. And then, there`s a question of structural realities soon
to become to grips with.
Beyond that, how do we talk about words like white privileges that are
(inaudible) about? How do we talk about systemic inequality? So when you
grapple with those issues, when you talk about what Dr. Peterson referred
to earlier as what the institution will do, now that student must join with
a challenge his own institution to live up to its legacy of enlightened
liberal education and liberal with a small L for all human beings. And to
come to grips...
DYSON: ... with some of these infamous things. That`s what the university
is for, to address intelligently and articulately in public some of the
most vicious consequences of the isms that prevailed on our society.
SCHULTZ: Dr. Peterson, what do you say to this the gentlemen if he`s your
PETERSON: The first I would say everything that Dr. Dyson just said. And
then in addition, what I would say to him is that, you should think less
about the actual incident itself, less about this moment where you`re
trying to redeem yourself and apologize, and focus more on the work that
you have to do ahead. There is plenty of work for you to do to make this
right in a more tangible sense that what we think about in terms of the
Doc is right that the movement around Black Lives Matter, around ending
racism, around ending rape and racism on college campuses. Requires white
male allies, particularly those white males who are elite or who are
empowered, or who are privilege.
And so he can actually use the leverage, the sort of power that he had to
make the sort act that he did when he was singing the song with all his
friends on the bus. He can use that same power to sort of reverse some of
the challenges that we`re seeing on college campuses everyday.
PETERSON: And again, we need cohort (ph) in privilege position to take up
that fight just as much that the folk who were subject to some of these
issues around racism around college student.
SCHULTZ: Well, I don`t want to be too hard on the kid, OK? I don`t want
to be too hard on him here but, how do you -- I mean, if that`s in his
heart, if that`s what happen on that bus, if that`s in his heart how does
that change in 17 days? There -- it was he that taught, I mean, you know,
it was he the taught either believes it or he was trying to impress
DYSON: Well, that`s...
SCHULTZ: I mean, I just I don`t think.
PETERSON: You`re asking a tough question, Ed. You`re asking the tough
SCHULTZ: You know, that -- I mean, I don`t want to be hard on the kid but
you`re going to tell me that he is had a totally change of heart on racism
in his heart in 17 days?
DYSON: But is not him alone .
SCHULTZ: That`s the bar that`s a tough bar.
DYSON: He didn`t come out -- but see, this is what we`re saying. He
didn`t come out of a vacuum, he came out of a culture. He came out of
habits, dispositions, practices in a society, there at the school that
tolerates this, permitted this. And so that` why we say don`t escape
(inaudible) the kid along though he has to come to grips of his actions...
DYSON: ... talk about what led to this, talk about the passive and
difference to the racial inequality.
PETERSON: Yeah. What about all the other kids on the bus who were like
singing and chanting along with him?
DYSON: The young lady who was doing the same thing.
PETERSON: You know, I think Dr. Dyson is right here.
PETERSON: Yeah. I think Dyson is right. We, listen, we -- there`s a way
that, you know, look our society, Ed, look at how Republicans in Congress
treat the first black President of United States. Look how law enforcement
in Ferguson treats black citizens in the city of Ferguson. You know, when
you think about the different models for engagement around race and our
nation, you know, is not surprising to anyone who`s on a college campus
that this is the case.
SCHULTZ: All right. We`re going to take this press conference live. This
is the State Senator who I believe is going to speak first and then we`re
going to hear from Levi Pettit. You see the gentlemen there in the blue
shirt and red tie? That is Levi Pettit, one of the two students. This is
the first time he is come to the microphone to address a racist chant that
was on a bus of SAE fraternal members 17 days ago. Both of them were at
the University of Oklahoma. They`re not there anymore as we understand.
So the student at the center of this chant is going to speak out here in
just a moment. And Trymaine Lee, your thoughts as we get ready hear this.
This is a life changing moment for this young man.
LEE: I think the thing that stands out automatically, we have spent so
much tine around young protesters is, you look at the age of the folks of,
you know, the elders. And we speak of this generation gap between those
who believed it and those were struggling with this (inaudible).
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PITTMAN: Good afternoon. Thank so much for being here it`s a wonderful
time for us in our community I`m Senator Anastasia Pittman of the Senate
District 48 in Oklahoma City. And one of the things that we`ve just shared
in a private meeting is that we have hope for our healing and we`re here to
share this opportunity with you. We`re going to be proactive rather than
reactive because we know the state of Oklahoma has some issues that we need
to talk about and we`ve done that.
And this is just the beginning of a great conversation in our community.
And so I want you to know there some things that we will come back to you
with, some asks some solutions, some things that we want to apply from this
And so I stand with you today with all the community leaders that are here,
that were able to stay, some students from the University of Oklahoma,
representation from the NAACP, local pastors and other elected officials
who had the lead. But I want to say thank you for giving us the
opportunity to introduce Levi Pettit to the world. And I what I want do
is, is not the deliver this, I`ll come back to you and introduce each
speakers to let you know who is speaking to you.
Levi will share with you some his comments. He will take a few a questions
and then we will let the rest of the guest speak.
And so without further adieu, I say to you that on this great day at the
Fairview Baptist Church in Oklahoma City. We have heard the sentiments of
Levi Pettit and his family, and we want to receive those sentiments and
things that were said to us in a close meeting. And we want to give you
the opportunity to hear what was shared in that meeting.
At this time I introduce to you. Levi Pettit.
LEVI PETTIT, FORMER SAE MEMBER: Thank you all for being here today, even
though I wish this meeting was not necessary. I`m deeply appreciative of
everyone here that joined us.
Also thank you to Senator Pittman for inviting me today. You`re blessing
to me, and my mom, and my dad.
PITTMAN: Thank you.
PETTIT: I can`t thank you enough for the way you`ve been embrace me and
open my eyes to the things I`ve not seen before.
Let me start by saying that I`m sorry, deeply sorry. I`m so sorry for all
the pain that I have caused I want you all to know that directly from me.
Well though I don`t deserve it, I want to ask for your forgiveness.
There are no excuses for my behavior. I never thought of myself as a
racist, I never consider it a possibility. But the bottom line is that the
words that were said in that chant were mean, hateful and racist.
I will be deeply sorry and deeply ashamed of what I`ve done through the
rest of my life.
Some have wonder why I haven`t spoken out publicly. The truth is, is that
I`ve had a mix of pain, shame, sorrow and fear over the consequences of my
actions. I didn`t know I want to apologize to the press or to the whole
country first until I came here to apologize to the community must directly
So I decided that it would be best and wait until that presume leaders or
we got the opportunity to meet -- today we`re back from spring break.
I think the best way express the truth about who I am and what I feel, so I
read to you all the letter that I wrote to President Boren a few days after
the bus ride.
Dear President Boren, I like to express my deepest sorry, regret for my
behavior last weekend on the bus. I`m so sorry for what I`ve done, who
I`ve hurt and the repercussions that I brought to the university that I
love. I`m incredibly ashamed of myself and we beg your forgiveness, as
well as the forgiveness of everyone I`ve hurt with the words that have come
from my mouth. And may take me a lifetime to earn it weather I don`t
deserve it but I`m committed to try.
I would do absolutely anything to take a back if I could. To hear the
words that I`m a racist or a bigot may seem logical after seeing my face
and hearing me participate in a mindlessly sickening chant. However, well
you know, you saw on that video is not who I really I am, who`s not who I
was raise to be and not who I think of myself to be.
All together I`ve done in my life by hoping to bring people together has
been erased by six-second video, and I will carry this burden forever.
It was tragic failure with far-reaching consequences and I`m extremely
disappointed in the weakness I demonstrated by engaging activities that
were so hurtful to others.
I see how my choice is affecting those who have been impacted by my
thoughtless decision to participate in this chant. There are many things
that I will need to do over time to regain the trust of my friends and
family, and the pubic at large.
I`m thoroughly does say that my actions have resulted in the lost of my
beloved college community, and I will feel the pain of it for the rest of
I understand completely why I have lost this privilege. However, I do want
very much to find some positive outcome from this awful situation that to
move forward with my life, and attempt to make it right, and make amend to
the degree that I`m able.
If there`s anything at all I can (inaudible) from my mistake, I would hope
it conclude arming myself with the tools to move forward of my life, maybe
even somehow help to prevent this sort of thing from happening again
elsewhere. With the apologies, Levi Pettit.
The words in that letter are all heartfelt words, and I thank President
Boren for accepting my apology.
Yesterday, I was humbled by the fact that I had the chance to meet face to
face with members of the football leadership team. They accepted my
apology and together we discussed steps that we can use moving forward to
make sure that this doesn`t happen again.
Over the past week or so, I`ve met with a number pastors and leaders in the
community to seek understanding of the meaning behind the words that I
spoke on that bus. Meeting with a few people does not change what I did
but it has to begun to change me and my understanding of those hateful
With no question, my words on that bus for discussing and these words
should never be repeated under any circumstance. I`m also upset and
embarrassed that I felt to standup as a leader and stop this chant. And
now have a clear understanding of what lives behind the words.
From this point forward, I will be the leader that I should be on that bus
and standup against racism in any form.
Now, before I take a call of your questions, let me just say this. All the
apologies in the world won`t change what I`ve done so I spend the rest of
my life trying to be the person who heals and brings people of all races
together. That is what I hope and pray comes all to this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Levi...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Levi...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please, Levi Pettit, (inaudible) to me, you`ve
obviously apologies to a lot of people (inaudible) with some the experience
(inaudible) for the aftermath of this horror (inaudible), what (inaudible)
the biggest impression on (inaudible)?
PETTIT: The people that I`ve met with had opened my eyes to things that
I`ve had not been exposed to leading up to this event. This stories, and
lessons, and insight that they have shared with me, the stuff that I will
carry with me for the rest of my life and use as tools to live a life that
refutes any type of racist act from ever happening again.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Levi...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where did you learn the song?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where did you learn the chant?
PETTIT: I`m not here today to talk about where I learn the chant or how it
was taught. I`m here to apologize for what I did because the truth is
that, what was said in that chant is disgusting and should never -- and
after meeting with these people and everybody else I`ve met with, I`ve
learned that these words should never be repeated, joke about or ever use
in any form ever again. And these are lessons that I`m going to carry with
me for the rest of my life.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Levi...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Levi?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you tell us what is it that you just didn`t
understand how bad those words were or simply chose to ignore that?
PETTIT: I think, I knew they were wrong but I never knew how or why they
were wrong. And the people I`ve meet with, like Senator Pittman and all
these leaders behind me, have open my eyes to really put me behind those
words and impact that people have when those words are said.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (inaudible) of MBC news, you know, obviously can`t be
easy for you (inaudible) all these times. That have (inaudible) the people
around country or heard not just by those (inaudible) words and the fact
that were you said but how they were said, that was (inaudible). What were
PETTIT: I`m not here to talk about what happened on the bus. All --
everyone hear and across the nation had seen what I`ve done. I`m here to
apologize for what I did because this is something that I`ve learned as
disgusting and should never happen again in any form and that this is....
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One more question...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Levi..
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Levi...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you going do to the things that involved about
asking for forgiveness and talk about moving forward but in real term what
is your plan moving forward (inaudible)?
PETTIT: I just -- in everyday, day-to-day life, if I ever see racism in
any form, whether it`s in a public or private setting, I believe I now have
the courage and the meaning behind those words to standup and refute that
kind of behavior. And I`m looking forward to working with Senator Pittman
and maybe even speaking. I don`t know what else to holds but I`m really
looking forward for the opportunity if ever it arises.
SCHULTZ: Levi Pettit, live press conference in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
His life has definitely changed.
Seventeen days ago, video tapes surface that was caught on camera on a bus
and the SAE has taken action, the University of Oklahoma has taken action
and now, this gentleman stepping to the microphone today realizing that
this is going to have a lifelong impact. And he realizes and he`s very
aware of the damage and really taking for responsibility.
I want to get reaction from our panel tonight Dr. Michael Eric Dyson, your
thoughts on what you just saw and heard.
DYSON: Well, what I heard was a honest apology from a young man caught in
a very difficult moment, and publicly exposed in a way that he is not been
used to, and grappling with the consequences of his heinous act and the
kind of vicious character of the racist slur that was used.
What I saw was the kind of choreography of black support to receive a white
young man who has victimized others but who is now turned into a victim
himself, so to speak. He is a victim of -- innocent victim of a process.
He is a good kid, good looking boy, a college student. He did a horrible
thing and he`s got the black elders surrounding him putting their hands on
I still wished that black victims of white supremacy and victims of police
brutality could receive the same in return, that white elders could
surround them and extend to them an arm of love.
I am not besmirching the character of those people or that young man, I`m
talking about the choreography. This is the difficulty when we reduce the
complexity of a systemic and structural problem to personal interactions.
They are necessary but they are insufficient.
The personal drift that he feels should be also connected to a broader
systemic approach that talks about how we can uproot and then chastise
Let me end by saying this. I know that perhaps legally, he was counseled
not to say, "I`m not here to talk about this." But isn`t this a kind of
cheapened gesture, if you will. I don`t want to really confront where I
learned that song and what was the consequence of what I learned about
song, the very culture...
SCHULTZ: So it was very caucus statement. There is no doubt. He wanted
to focus only the apology and that`s all he was going to address.
DYSON: Yeah. But I`m saying --- but doing that, Ed, dismisses the
DYSON: ... concerns of people have about what fete it, what feud it, what
continues to perpetuated and beyond your apology now...
SCHULTZ: Yeah, well...
DYSON: ... we know this will go on in many of a (inaudible)...
SCHULTZ: I mean, I don`t think...
DYSON: I just want to give a cautionary tale to that.
SCHULTZ: I understand but I don`t think the kid`s mission was to go there
and change society. I think he go there to make sure that everybody knows
that this is how they....
DYSON: I wasn`t saying that he changed the society. I`m saying that if
you`re asking me what I saw...
DYSON: I can cheer lead on it but I can -- that`s also offer a cautionary
tale. That`s all I`m saying.
SCHULTZ: OK. All right. Dr. Peterson, your thoughts?
PETERSON: You know, it`s interesting, I agree with the Doc on the
choreography piece of this and also the call for people to understand that
this is a model for restore of justice and racial conciliation. The reason
why those black folks are there is because they want to model for American
society how you wrap your arms around in a deeply troubling situation
having to do with race.
I do think that it was a very well-rehearsed, very well-coached statement
and I do think that we still deserve to get answers about how that song is
actually transmitted because we are interested in systemic solutions to
this systemic problem.
And so if the SAEs are passing this song down from generation to
generation, that`s not something that inclusion executive is going to...
PETERSON: ... be able to train out of them in the training, in a three-
hour session during their annual meeting. We`ve got to understand the
systematic nature on some of these things, Ed.
And again I`m not satisfied with the University of Oklahoma here. I would
love to see more about what they`re doing about recruiting and retraining
non-student athlete, students of color. What are they doing with their
faculty there? What are they doing with Black studies there? There are
systematic solutions to these challenges that I think we haven`t talk about
SCHULTZ: Well, focusing on this press conference. Trymaine, your thoughts
LEE: I think when you look at the optics alone, we`re talk a lot about
choreography but the optics of the elders wrapping their arms around him,
rubbing on his shoulder, consoling him, I do wonder how that plays on those
campuses where young black people, young white who were coming together to
voice their opposition to this.
But one thing I thought there was very interesting that he talks about this
lost of privilege this public shaming, that he knew the words were wrong,
he didn`t know how they were wrong. And so for a whole generation has
spoken post-racial not connecting to the implicit violence in the words. I
think that`s very interesting. So I think that does in the message and
we`ll see how it resonates in the coming days with folks on the campus have
SCHULTZ: All right. Gentlemen, thanks for your time tonight on this story
and we will continue with the Ed Show right after this.
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PETERSON: Thanks, Ed.
SCHULTZ: And now, to politics. Ohio Governor John Kasich says all options
are on the table for 2016 as he toured the key primary state of New
Hampshire. He spoke at the Politics and Eggs event, and met with students
at the community college on Tuesday.
His East Coast tour continues today in New York and tomorrow in Maine.
Back on the Buckeye state, legislators are already trying to give the
Republican nominee in advantage of 2016 whoever that might be.
A provision in the state`s new transportation budget could make it more
difficult for new residents in the state to cast their votes. The
provision would require people who moved to the state of Ohio to register
the vote, to reregister their vehicles within 30 days.
Drivers who do not comply would lose driving privileges in the state until
they received an Ohio driver`s license. The provision could affect more
than 100,000 college students in the state of Ohio.
Students from out of state that want to vote in Ohio would end up paying
closed to $100 in fees. Democratic lawmakers in the state are calling it a
poll tax. Republican say the provision is about fulfilling the
responsibilities of a Ohio resident.
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JON HUSTED, (R) OHIO SECRETARY OF STATE: If you`re going to have the
privileges of being an Ohio resident, you have the responsibilities of
being an Ohio resident. And in our read of this is that, there is no
difference in that. All it does is set a timeframe for that, of 30 days.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: I`m joined tonight by former Ohio State Senator Nina Turner, also
Amelia Hayes with us tonight, a member of the Ohio Student Association.
Amelia, I want to visit with you first if I may. What your response to
this and what are the students saying, how passionate are they about this?
AMELIA HAYES, OHIO STUDENTS ASSOCIATION: My response to this is that, this
is definitely a poll tax. How do you think that this is not something that
is going to affect young people in particular?
Young people are mad. We consistently are told that we`re the apathetic
millennials that we don`t want to vote. But when you have a state that
continues to take our right to vote away or tries to, what do we suppose to
Young people are over the state are mad about it. We`re getting e-mails,
we`re talking about it and I think that it discontinuous if it does really
go further than just being a provision in the budget bill. There`s going
to be a lot push back from young people.
SCHULTZ: Nina, just for new thought, you`ve seen it all, your response to
FRM. SEN. NINA TURNER, (D) OHIO: It`s appalling, ED, that the Republicans
continue their assault on access to the ballot boxes. And as you said, you
open over 100,000 college students but we also need to add active duty
military to that as well who would be...
SCHULTZ: Really. OK. I didn`t know that.
TURNER: ... impacted, absolutely. And then, other people who might not
necessarily be college students.
This is wrong. It is taken us back in time. And, you know, for more than
a century, this country is been pushing forward to expand access to the
ballot box, and here we have Republicans singing the same sad song because
they can`t win election legitimately so they want to suppress the vote.
And I might add (ph) that I hope that our Governor and I want to command
the Ohio Senate Democratic Caucus who stood up strongly in the Senate of
over the last few days that they have been debating this to the line, I
don`t veto this.
This is wrong all day long, Ed.
TURNER: And another thing, we should not sleep on mid-term elections. One
of the reasons why we are going through this right now is because folks did
not come up to vote their interest in 2014. And while it was wonderful to
have the President of the United States in Cleveland, Ohio a couple of
weeks ago, would have been better is to have him in the state of Ohio in
2014, helping my assistants and brothers who have been running for the
Senate and running for the House of Representatives, and running for
statewide office so that we can stop this kind of madness, Ed.
Our very Democratic foundation is imperil at the hands of Republicans in
this state and all across the country. And I want this state in all across
the country. And I want this Congress to restore and strengthen the voting
rights act and Ohio needs to be depth in there.
SCHULTZ: Well, the Republicans aren`t going to do that, Nina. You know
that. I mean, -- this is just another form of voters suppression, just a
different tactic, a different method and a different way to affect young
people, and College Democrats and Republicans to understand that Ohio State
University put out a joined statement opposing the bill yesterday.
SCHULTZ: They said that the provision raise concerns over the --
disenfranchisement of young voters. Then last night, the university`s
College Republicans posted a retraction on their Facebook page.
Amelia, what`s your response to that?
HAYES: I`m not surprise. I mean, it`s the Republicans who are trying to
take the right away so why would the College Republicans before -- being
with the College Democrats? My thing in that...
SCHULTZ: Well, first they`re against it and now they`re for it or vice
versa. First they`re for this suppression and now that it`s got a light
shined on it, they want to be against it and they`re newness in...
SCHULTZ: ... with the College Democrats. So, I mean...
SCHULTZ: ... what do you make of that? I mean, what are they really want?
HAYES: I think that`s the perfect question. I think that they probably do
want some people that not be able to vote. Because I think with young
people Ohio will tend to vote in certain way that may not go with the
college Republicans, so they probably figured out, probably not smart to be
aligned with the College Democrats on this one.
SCHULTZ: OK. So Amelia, what`s the plan? How do the students fight back?
TURNER: The College Republicans probably get pressure, no doubt, from the
Republicans in the legislatures asked them to retract.
TURNER: When you have College Republicans and College Democrats, multi-
partisan groups coming together at the Ohio State University signing a
strong letter saying that this is wrong. And then within hours, they
retract, Oh, you bet to believe, Ed, that the Republicans in the
legislature put the hammer and the muscle on those young college students
which is wrong.
The answer to this is, to get out to vote. This is a national cry right
now in this state and all across the country, Republicans are chip, chip,
chipping away of all the gains that have been gained in this nation, 50
years from Selma, 50 years from the voting rights act. I know that the
foremother and forefathers who gave their blood, and their sweat, and their
tears are turning over in their graves.
TURNER: We have to give people ought to vote, Ed, and we can`t sleep on
the mid-term election.
SCHULTZ: All right...
TURNER: If we had different types of folks in the legislature, we wouldn`t
be going through this right now.
SCHULTZ: Amelia, what action can you take now? What can the students do
now? How do they fight back?
HAYES: Students have to do what we`ve been doing. We need to vote, we
need to be on the streets. Students are in the streets. We`re in the
streets over lots of things. We`ve seen that after Ferguson.
Students are not apathetic. We are smart. We actually know exactly how
politicians think of us, especially in Ohio. We`re now saying, if you want
to come to our great state to go school which we have lots of great school
here, you`re going to have to pay $75 in order to vote.
SCHULTZ: All right.
HAYES: That`s ridiculous. We need to standup and take a stand against it.
SCHULTZ: Amelia Hayes and Nine Turner...
SCHULTZ: Ed, one more thing. We need letters to go to the Governor and
phone calls to our Governor to ask him to line that on veto. That`s what
we can do right now. He can take that out to budget right now.
SCHULTZ: All right. Nina Turner, Amelia Hayes -- Nina, I think you`ve got
a young friend there that`s going to be just like you when...
TURNER: Oh, yeah. She is a dynamo.
SCHULTZ: ... it comes to activism. And, Amelia, I know that you`re not a
public speaker, haven`t been on TV, I just want to say that you`ve done a
remarkable job. Keep going. And thank you so much.
HAYES: Thank you so much.
SCHULTZ: You bet. Thanks so much for your activism.
Still to come, Ted`s excellent adventure into, what, Obamacare? Stay
SCHULTZ: And we are following the latest developments to the Germanwings
crash in the French Alps.
The State Department today just confirming a third American death among the
150 people killed in the crash. We know the identity of two of the victims
a mother and a daughter from the D.C. Metro Area.
Yvonne Selke was a longtime government contractor at Booz Allen, also her
daughter Emily was a recent graduate from Drexel University working in an
event planning industry.
French officials say that they are close to finding out more details on
what caused the Airbus 320 to crash in route from Barcelona to Dusseldorf,
Investigators have been able to recover some sounds and voices on the
damage data recorder.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOUTY: Though we have not yet fully understood and work on it to be able
to say. "OK. This is starting at this precise point in flight, this is
ending in this precise point in flight." And we hear such person that
etceteras. This is an on going work -- for which we will -- we hope to
have first to have first, the rough in a matter of days.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: A this hour, searchers are still looking for the second black
Up next, Ted Cruz`s Obamacare conversions. Stick around.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PRES. BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: After five years of ACA more
than 16 million uninsured Americans have gain health care coverage, 16
million. And just over one year the ranks of the uninsured have dropped by
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Just when you thought you`ve seen everything. I can imagine this
but its happening.
A very unexpected Republicans are about to join those 16 million Americans.
Senator Ted Cruz`s wife is taking an unpaid leave of absence from her job
at Goldman Sachs, obviously, to help her husband campaign. And of course
that leaves him in a pretty tight spot.
You see, he was on her insurance. And now, Ted Cruz has to go get some
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CRUZ: We`ll be getting new health insurance and we`ll presumably do it for
my job in the Senate. So we`ll be on the federal exchange like millions of
others on the federal exchange.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you will be getting Obamacare effectively?
CRUZ: It is one of the good things about Obamacare is that, the statute
provided that members of Congress would be on the exchanges without
subsidies just like millions of American, so there wouldn`t be a double
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: That`s one of the good things. You mean, there is more than one
good thing, Senator?
When was the last time, you as a news consumer ever heard Ted Cruz say
anything good about Obamacare. But now that it affects him and his wallet?
Well, it`s a little bit different now when you think about it.
Ted Cruz played major role in shutting down the United States government in
an effort to defund exactly what is going to take advantage of, Obamacare.
He announced his campaign on the 5th Anniversary, you can`t make it up, on
the 5th Anniversary of the law promising to repeal every word of Obamacare.
Cruz`s spent every waking moment as United States Senator trashing this
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CRUZ: Obamacare is a train wreck. And that`s actually not fair to train
Do you like greens eggs and ham?
We need to repeal every word of Obamacare.
Cutting a deal with Iran is going to be the Obamacare of the second term.
We need to repeal every word of Obamacare.
I intend to speak and support of defunding Obamacare until I`m no longer
able to stand.
We need to repeal every word of Obamacare.
Obamacare is the biggest job killer in this country.
We need to repeal every word of Obamacare.
Why don`t we fund the entire federal government with (inaudible)?
We are going to sign legislation repealing every word of Obamacare.
I do not like them, Sam-I-Am. I do not like green eggs and ham.
Imagine in 2017, a new president signing legislation repealing every word
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Now, we have entered the twilight zone, have we not? That guy
will soon be covered under the Affordable Care Act. Senator Cruz is
actually running on a platform of taking away his own health care, that`s
Now, how many times have you heard Ted Cruz talked about -- we`ve got to
have a principle conservative? Well, if you`re against the Obamacare that
is a matter of principle because they`re had been so very good outcomes
because of this law.
So with his principle, he actually should turndown Obamacare and say, "You
know what? I`m going to do what I want every other American to do. I`m
going to go to the free market." Gosh, she could call a Blue Cross Blue
Shield of Texas, he could call Aetna, he could call Cigna. He could call
Humana. He could call -- there`s all these free market opportunities out
there but, "Oh, no."
The Senator from Texas, he`s going to take the good deal because he now
admits that`s one of the good things about Obamacare is that they covered
members of Congress. So he is in it.
What a hypocrite.
We got to get reaction on this tonight, our Rapid Response Panel, former
Vermont Governor, Howard Dean with us tonight, Mercedes Schlapp, Republican
Strategist and former Spokesperson for George W. Bush and also with us
tonight Jim Moore, Investigative Journalist and author of "Bush`s Brain".
Great to have all of you with us.
Governor Dean, your response to the story?
FRM. GOV. HOWARD DEAN, (D) VERMONT: Ah, it`s pretty funny.
SCHULTZ: Yes. It is, almost unbelievable...
DEAN: Because, you know, money talks, in his Senate, he gets a big break
on his Senate plan which the conservatives in the Senate insisted the
Obamacare. The conservative in the Senate -- that was a condition of any
kind of letting go that was something on the right-wingers put in there.
And here we are, you`re right, he could go out and pay the full freight,
100 percent of the premiums but he is taking the government premiums. And,
you know, for a guy who hates the government, he is sure he`s getting a lot
of money out of the government, didn`t he?
SCHULTZ: He certainly is. Is this hypocritical? Is he trying to shim it
DEAN: Well, look, Ted Cruz is not going anywhere. He`s going to get 15
percent maybe, maybe higher in Iowa. He`s not going to be the nominee and
if he is the nominee, I should wish this because the last I was -- I was
hoping Ronald Reagan and he of course became president.
But, you know, he is cutting himself a nitch. He doesn`t look
presidential. He doesn`t sound presidential, so I don`t think it`s going
to hurt him that much, he`s got a much a true believers and nobody else
going to vote for him anyway.
SCHULTZ: Jim Moore, is this the guy you know from Texas?
JIM MOORE, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Oh, absolutely, Ed. And I think
what`s interesting about this whole thing is, there is nothing surprising
about this behavior.
You know, when he run for the Senate from Texas, he disclose two years of
income tax filings and he`s adjusted gross income was $3.5 million and he`s
charitable giving on those income tax returns. The Houston Chronicle Gary
Shar (ph) reported about this in great detail. He gave 0.0 percent. His
overall charitable giving is 0.03 percent.
So this is the guy who goes down to Virginia to a Christian university and
talks about his Christian faith. I think he is one of the ranked
hypocrites of all time. But this is not new. I can stop thinking about
the guy`s histories lone mean (ph) Canadian, frankly.
SCHULTZ: Mercedes, how do you defend this?
MERCEDES SCHLAPP, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, I think it`s very difficult
to defend because, you know, I was talking to a conservative today who
basically said, on principle, I will not sign up for Obamacare. So he is
willing to pay the fine.
So I think Ted Cruz is kind of stocked in a situation and quite frankly, I
think that his campaign, they were surprised by the fact that the question
was asked. And that you know, to Governor Dean`s point here, when Governor
Dean run for President, you know, how this is, the campaign stuff, that`s
part of their responsibility, they`ve murdered word (ph) you, they ask you
the 20 million questions...
DEAN: That`s true.
SCHLAPP: ... to make sure you have those answers ready to go. And I have
to tell you they are back pedaling right now...
SCHLAPP: ... because they`re basically saying, "Well, he is looking into
other options." So I think this is become something that Senator Cruz was
DEAN: Let me just make one correction. You don`t get fine for not signing
a pro Obamacare law. But why doesn`t say...
DEAN: The law doesn`t say you have to sign up for Obamacare, it says you
have to have health insurance.
SCHLAPP: That`s correct.
DEAN: You don`t have to sign up for Obamacare.
SCHLAPP: That`s right. Right.
SCHULTZ: And, Mercedes again, there are other Republicans in the Congress
who want to be president. Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, they both have been
trashing Obamacare, are they doing the same thing...
SCHULTZ: ... Ted Cruz is doing? Is this a problem?
SCHLAPP: You know, again, it could become a problem. I think for Senator
Ted Cruz, if the light is shining on him primarily because he has been so
vocal on repealing Obamacare as you played, you know, word for word, we`re
going to repeal Obamacare.
So yes, this is going to be a question that of course Senator Rubio is
going to have to face and Senator Rand Paul. So it will be interesting to
see how they are going to answer it, so it`s might be interesting that
Senator Ted Cruz is going through this process first.
SCHULTZ: Governor Dean, its selfish, isn`t it? I mean, he is against the
Obamacare. He uses it as a -- we got to be principled conservatives and
then when it benefits him, it`s a whole different set of circumstances that
he plays by.
DEAN: Ted Cruz is about Ted Cruz. That`s what Ted Cruz is about. This
campaign is not about principle or winning the presidency, it`s about Ted
Cruz, the Ted Cruz Show, which is why he is not going to win but he is
certainly can be interesting, he could cause a nomination to go to Jed Bush
because if he gets 10 percent or to 15 percent, 20 percent of the
DEAN: ... that`s much harder for all of those that are conservatives in
SCHULTZ: I don`t think he is politically savvy. I really don`t and, Jim
Moore, I want your take on this?
This could have been a golden opportunity. This is a guy who`s going
around the county and trash the Obamacare, relentlessly.
SCHULTZ: He could have at the College Liberty University the other day
stood up and say, "You know what Obamacare is terrible and I have to go
into it. But you know what? I`m not going to go into it because I talked
to you about principle." He missed the big opportunity here. And he would
have put Rand Paul and he would have put Marco Rubio on the defensive. He
missed it. He doesn`t have the chops, your thoughts?
MOORE: Well, Ed, I go back to what Governor Dean said. Senator Cruz is
always been about Senator Cruz. If he really cared about Texas, he would
have been doing something to help the state getting exchange instead of the
approximately 2 million uninsured people in his home state who have gone
into the federal exchange and have gotten insurance, while he has been
fighting against the Obamacare.
He has done nothing for the people of his home state. There isn`t file
(ph) the single piece of legislation here that matters -- to anyone in the
So yes, this is about Ted Cruz attention for Ted Cruz, hearing himself
talk, seeing himself on TV and going with that is as far as he can.
SCHULTZ: With -- is it this, Mercedes, the good time for Jed Bush to speak
up on this?
SCHLAPP: Well, you know, I think he`s just going to let Senator Ted Cruz
just you know, fall and fall into his words type of thing. I think he is
not going to get involved in this sort of debate. I think that Governor
Jed Bush and they are -- he could talk about health care but he is going
SCHLAPP: ... let Senator Ted Cruz managed his own press situation right
DEAN: That`s one of the rules in politics when you`re....
SCHLAPP: I`m just...
MOORE: ...to killing himself don`t get this way...
SCHLAPP: I literally -- I`m waiting for the diaries of Obamacare by
Senator Ted Cruz that should available on Amazon.com.
SCHULTZ: How are the words -- where is the opening here if there is one
political here? Where is the opening?
GOV. DEAN: The opening for who?
SCHULTZ: For anybody who wants a deep-six Mr. Cruz?
DEAN: You don`t have to worry that he is going to deep-six himself and I
promise you he has been done it already. This is one of the worst roll
outs I ever saw because he doesn`t -- look, you have to look presidential
when you`re running for president and he doesn`t look presidential yet. He
has been in the race for 24 hours. It`s a big problem.
SCHULTZ: All right. Howard Dean, Mercedes Schlapp and also Jim Moore,
great to have all of you with us tonight. Thanks so much.
That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.
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