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Date: March 27, 2015
Guest: Jason Johnson, David Perry, Jay Rollins, Stephanie Miller, Jimmy
Williams, Victoria Defrancesco Soto

Schultz. "Politics Nation" with Revered Al Sharpton starts right now.

Good evening, Rev.

REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Good evening, Ed. And thanks for tuning in.
I`m live tonight in Tampa, Florida.

We start with breaking news. Claims that the origins of that racist frat
chant caught on video extend far beyond a single campus chapter. That`s
according to the University of Oklahoma president who announced results
from the school`s investigation.


members at a national leadership cruise sponsored by the national
organization four years ago. That chant was learned and brought back to
the local chapter. Over time, the chant was formalized by the local
chapter and was taught to pledges as part of the formal and informal
pledge-ship process.


SHARPTON: It`s a major new claim suggesting the chant was more common than
publicly stated. In a letter to the SAE national fraternity, president
David Boren says quote "the chant was widely known and formally shared
amongst members on the leadership crews." It stands in contrast made by
the national fraternity earlier this month.


BRANDON WEGHORST, SAE SPOKESMAN: From what we see, it`s not a wide
problem. Whenever we look at the overall picture, 235, 240 groups across
the country, we`re finding that an overwhelming majority have never heard
of this, don`t know anything about it, are not familiar with it.


SHARPTON: But again, the university indicates it was widely known. At
least at this leadership conference. And late today, SAE confirmed it`s
likely these students learned the chant on the cruise. SAE saying quote
"the organization has no current evidence that the chant is widespread
across the fraternity`s 237 groups. SAE continues its in-depth
investigation of its chapters." SAE also said the song is horrific and
does not at all reflect our values as an organization. If we find any
other examples of this kind of behavior currently occurring, we will hold
our members accountable just as we`ve done in Oklahoma.

This is a fraternity with around 200,000 students and alumni. Today the
university president said high school students were on that bus and heard
that chant. And that this is far too big an issue to ignore.


BOREN: We know racism when we see it. We know when certain inappropriate
words are used in our presence. We know when inappropriate stories are
told in our presence. I don`t think anybody here at this press conference
needs to be taught about what racism is. We know it when we see it. We
saw it and we reacted to it. And we`ve said no tolerance for it.


SHARPTON: Joining me now are Florida state police chief David Barry --
David Perry who is the president of the international association of campus
law enforcement administrators. And Jason Johnson, a political science
professor at Hiram college.

Thank you both for being here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Glad to be here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Reverend Al. Glad to be here.

SHARPTON: Chief Perry, let me go to you first. Are you surprised by the
university`s claim that this chant was widely known at this frat leadership

ADMINISTRATORS: So, I`m not surprised. I`m really disappointed that this
is going on, but not surprised at all, you know. This is a problem that
this doesn`t only impact campuses and colleges around the country, but it
impacts many parts of our nation, unfortunately.

SHARPTON: Jason, the school`s president in his letter, he also says and
I`m quoting from the letter, this matter cannot be closed in our view.
However, until the culture at the national level has been -- has also been
addressed. Now, the school clearly believes this is a much bigger than
just one chapter on a single campus. Doesn`t it?

JASON JOHNSON, POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, yes. And they should. You know,
again, the issue has never been about hurt feelings or just being racist
and hostile, it`s about creating a hostile learning environment. You`ve
got kids there who are legitimately concerned. You got parents who are
legitimately concerned. If there`s some roving band of students on my
child`s campus singing about lynching, I`m legitimately worried.

So the school has every reason to be very aggressive about this. And I
think they should be applauded for the work they and SAE have done to
investigate this.

SHARPTON: Now, Mr. Perry, the SAE spokesman a few weeks ago when we
learned about the chant, he said this. Listen.


WEGHORST: We have every reason to believe that when they`re talking about
being taught the songs, it was done by somebody who was an older member of
the chapter and just a two or three year period there, that is passed it
down and said here`s the chant we want to teach you.


SHARPTON: But the school now says it was taught at a leadership
conference, suggesting it was widely known there. Does the national
chapter need to explain further?

PERRY: I think they do have to explain further. I think that it`s going
to take a thorough investigation. Not something they can just rush and say
that it`s been reviewed. But I think it`s due to the university. I think
they should have that done. You know, I understand that they really need
that in order to start the healing process. So they should do a thorough

SHARPTON: You know, because, Jason, in recent weeks we`ve learned more
about the history of this chant. A former student at Angelo State
University in Texas says she heard the same song at a different frat in
1973 or 1974.

Another man reports hearing it at Texas tech in 1963. And yet another
heard a similar chant at the University of Georgia in 1961. How far back
does the history of this chant and chants like it go, Jason?

THOMPSON: Well, see, Reverend, you`re making an excellent point here.
There`s a big difference between when it was learned and where it came
from. I don`t care that these kids learned it on a cruise in 2011. It`s
the idea this has been going on for 60 years. And as a faculty member,
this is always I think the key issue here.

I`ve never thought it was a good idea to kick somebody out of school just
because they said something bad. But you can kick them out for creating a
hostile environment for other students, for drinking underage. And as an
organization SAE is obligated not only to those engaging in the behavior,
but anybody else who wants to join to say we have zero tolerance for this
kind of behavior. As a private group, this is important to them and their

SHARPTON: And, you know, the thing that is very disturbing, Mr. Perry, is
there were high school students, recruits that are hearing this. I mean,
this is very damaging. President Boren delivered a powerful message about
this issue not being isolated to the campus. Listen to this.


BOREN: This is a problem in America. We`ve had an epidemic of racism all
across our country. We can stop it if all of us and the institutions and
organizations we belong to and all of us as individuals say we have zero
tolerance for racism in America. That`s not who we are as an American


SHARPTON: Very strong words there, Mr. Perry. How can universities and
fraternities begin to grapple with this issue? One that touches so much of
American lives?

PERRY: Well, I want to first applaud President Boren for his proactive
approach to this. It took his leadership to pull that university together.
And I`m telling you after talking with some of my colleagues there it was
not a good feeling time and initially when this was unfolding.

But Allah goes back to value development. We have to get back in the homes
and work on the value of our youth. It imprinting the modeling and the
socialization somewhere in that socialization stage they`re picking up on
what`s wrong and what`s not right. So, you know, at the end of the day
they have some bad data that`s in their heads about people and how to view

SHARPTON: And Jason, again, we`re talking about 200,000 members and alumni
with this frat. This is a lot of people and this clearly has implications
nationally. This is serious. And to see the passion out of this president
of this college, at least that to me is refreshing.

THOMPSON: Well, it`s refreshing and it`s responsible. And I just want to
be candid about the racial elements of this. This is internal policing in
the white community on racism. And that`s a good thing. It`s a good thing
that there was somebody white on that bus who said hey, I don`t like this.
This is inappropriate. It`s good that a majority white institution is
saying we have zero tolerance for racism. It`s good thing that a majority
white fraternity is saying we have zero tolerance for racism. It is about
time the conversation about race In this country didn`t always have to fall
on the shoulders of brown and black people. But white people themselves
who are against to stand up and says we won`t tolerate this within our
community. And that is progress.

SHARPTON: With that Mr. Perry, let me pick up on that. The national
fraternity said they won`t tolerate it, that it doesn`t represent them.
What do we need to hear from them? What do they need to do. They say
they`re going to look into this, but what do we need to see them do about
this? What do we need to see them do that would restore any level of
credibility in this area?

PERRY: We need a transparent investigation. We need straight talk,
Reverend Al. We need them to show that they`re being honest and
forthcoming with the investigation. And at the end of it, we need
training. We need to show every member has gone through sensitivity
training to show that they have really gotten this message and understand
the importance of respecting others and not saying things that are so
insensitive and so hurtful.

SHARPTON: Chief David Perry and Jason Johnson, thank you for your time
this evening. Have a good weekend.

THOMPSON: Thanks so much. You too.

PERRY: Thank you, reverend Al. You do the same.

SHARPTON: Breaking news, a ruling in the Amanda Knox case. The
international legal saga that dragged on for years finally coming to a

Also new questions about the co-pilot who brought down that plane in the
alps. Was he hiding an illness? And could he have been stopped? Plus --


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This bill is not about discrimination. And if I
thought it was about discrimination, I would have vetoed it.


SHARPTON: But Miley Cyrus disagrees. Why she and many others are
attacking a new law that they say could legalize discrimination.

All that plus the Hillary Clinton listening tour. Stay with us.


SHARPTON: Breaking news tonight in the Amanda Knox case. Italy`s top
criminal court overturning her conviction for the murder of Meredith
Kercher in 2007. The judge is declaring she and her ex-boyfriend did not
commit the crime. She was sentenced to three years for slander, time which
she has already served. It`s the final twist in a legal ordeal that`s
dragged on for years. Knox was found guilty in 2009 then saw her
conviction thrown out in 2011 only to have the conviction confirmed three
years later. And the breaking news tonight, Italy`s top court has thrown
out the murder conviction. Amanda Knox is now free bringing this long saga
to an end.


SHARPTON: Breaking news tonight. Should the airline have stopped the
Germanwings co-pilot from getting on the plane?

New details on 27-year-old Andreas Lubitz who`s believed to have
deliberately taken the plane down and killed all 150 people on board.
German prosecutors searched his apartment and his parents` home. They say
quote "documents with medical contents were confiscated that point towards
an existing illness and corresponding treatment by doctors." And there are
sick notes saying he was unable to work that were found torn up which were
recent and even from the day of the crime.

Prosecutors say they didn`t find a suicide note or confession. The airline
says Lubitz did not give them that sick note. But German newspapers say
Lubitz was deemed not suitable for flying for a period of time during his
training. He was diagnosed with a serious depressive episode in 2009.
Underwent a year and a half of treatment and investigators are looking into
whether he`d recently experienced a personal life crisis. A university
clinic in Germany has confirmed Lubitz was a patient this month but says he
wasn`t treated for depression.

Meanwhile, Lufthansa says it`ll pay at least 50,000 Euros per person to the
relatives of passengers. Investigators are still searching for the remains
of victims. Police say they haven`t found a single body intact. And
families of the victims want answers.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were innocent people, this relative said. If
Lubitz was ill, the company should have been aware.


SHARPTON: Joining me now is Captain Jay Rollins, a retired American
airlines captain and former U.S. Navy pilot. Thank you for being here.


SHARPTON: Jay, could this airline have done more to make sure this co-
pilot was fit to fly?

ROLLINS: I believe so. Aside from the fact that the airlines were not in
a position up until now to realize the problem was psychological illnesses
like this, this company hired this individual with only 650 hours which in
my estimation is far too few hours to be placed in a position of
responsibility. It requires more than physical skills to fly the aircraft.
It also requires vetting. In other words, this individual in my opinion
should have been flying smaller aircraft in smaller venues until he proved
himself through the years and was able to then assume this responsibility
that if a senior pilot left the cockpit, that he would sit there and
continue to do his job depending -- regardless of whatever sort of personal
issue he had going on.

SHARPTON: So Jay, let me get a little personal. Tell me about your
experience. Was there ever a time you didn`t feel like you should fly?

ROLLINS: Most absolutely. A few years back when I was flying, I actually
went through a period of my life that was very stressful, lots of lawyers
and missing calls and all that sort of thing. It got to the point where I
decided it was intruding upon my time in the cockpit. So I voluntarily
called in sick. And normally when you do that, it`s for cold or something
like that. So when you come back four days to a week later, there`s no
problem in clearing yourself and you`re put back on the schedule. But this
time, it was probably a month, maybe six weeks before I felt that I was
ready to fly again. And when I called in to clear, they wouldn`t let me,
to their credit. Instead they sent me for psychological evaluation very

SHARPTON: Let me push you right there. Four to six weeks, when you called
back in they would not put you back on the schedule. They sent you through
an intense kind of vetting. Explain what that entailed.

ROLLINS: They sent me to a local psychologist that gave me a two or three
hour psychological -- written psychological exam and talked with me in
detail about what it was that I had that stressed me in the first place and
why today was any different from six weeks ago that I should go to work
now. And until they were satisfied, I did not fly. But once I completed
the exam and they had measured it all and decided that I was fit to fly,
that`s when they returned me to the schedule.

SHARPTON: But what`s disturbing is that you were self-reporting. It was
not something that they put on you, you reported this yourself. How does
the public now have any assurances that there is a process that discovers
this if you don`t have someone as responsible as you that would step
forward and self-report.

ROLLINS: Well, this is why we have to have the vetting that I described
earlier where people have been tested and shown that they will use that
sort of responsibility. If we are left in a situation where they`re just
going to clear people, then yes the public should be concerned about a
situation like that.

SHARPTON: You know, here`s what FAA requires for pilot screening. Pilots
under 40 are required to get an annual physical exam from a flight surgeon.
Pilots over 40 have to get exams every six months. Those exams are
supposed to include questions on mental health. And pilots are required to
disclose existing conditions to the FAA. European rules are about the
same. But do doctors actually do mental health screening, Jay?

ROLLINS: Not very much. I think they do talk to you in general, but there
is no specific sense they are checking you for emotional issues. I think
after this incident, they are going to be. But no, they can definitely
improve in that regard. I think also they can encourage other crew members
to the extent that they`re flying with someone a little bit odd. Maybe
they should have a facility where such crew members could say, hey, maybe
this person should be checked. After all, we`re in the cockpit for hours
with one other person and all we`re doing is talking about one another`s
lives, politics, et cetera. So we`re in a good position to know when
someone is a little bit off.

SHARPTON: Jay Rollins, lot of work to be done, certainly to regain the
trust of the public. Thank you for your time tonight.

ROLLINS: My pleasure, Reverend. Thank you.

SHARPTON: Coming up, outrage over a new law that may allow discrimination
under the cover of religious freedom. We`ll tell you all about it.

Plus senator Harry Reid makes a major announcement today. What did the
president have to say about it? That`s coming up in conversation nation.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s time now for Reverend Al`s weekly report card.

SHARPTON: Welcome back to all my students tonight. It`s time to shake off
those spring break blues and give out some weekly report card grades.

First up tonight, a very special joint report card for Senator Ted Cruz and
Congressman Tim Huelskamp. They haven`t exactly been fans of Obamacare.


SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: We need to repeal every single word of

REP. TIM HUELSKAMP (R), KANSAS: It`s unpopular, unaffordable, and


SHARPTON: But believe it or not, they`re both Obamacare customers now.
These guys get an "a." Actually let`s make that an ACA for the affordable
care act.

Next, it`s Ted Cruz again. He and outgoing Congressman Aaron Schock are
both in my remedial history class because their grasp of the facts is a
little shaky.


CRUZ: Today the global warming alarmists are the equivalent of the flat
earthers. You know, it used to be it is accepted scientific wisdom the
earth is flat and this heretic named Galileo was branded a denier.

REP. AARON SCHOCK (R), ILLINOIS: Everybody faces adversity in life.
Abraham Lincoln held this seat in Congress for one term.


SHARPTON: Ted Cruz comparing himself to Galileo? I don`t quite see the
resemblance. And Aaron Schock is Abraham Lincoln? I`m not so sure about
that. This dynamic duo gets a "d" for delusions of grandeur.

Time for summer school, fellows. Our final student is on the Wisconsin
basketball team. During the march madness tournament, forward Nigel Hayes
has been having some fun with the stenographers at their press conferences.


NIGEL HAYES, BASKETBALL PLAYER: I`d like to say a few words. Catty
Wampus, onomatopoeia, and antidisestablishmentarianism (ph).


SHARPTON: But a few days later, this happened --


HAYES: God, she`s beautiful. Did you hear that?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, so we`ll open it up to questions.


SHARPTON: Tonight he gets a "b" for blushing.

But all`s well that ends well. Looks like Nigel is BFF with his new
stenographer friend. Good luck in the tournament.

Thanks as always to my students tonight. Class dismissed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s tonight`s edition of Reverend Al`s weekly report


"Conversation Nation."

Joining me tonight, radio host Stephanie Miller, executive editor of Jimmy Williams, and MSNBC contributor Victoria
Defrancesco Soto. Thank you all for being here tonight.




SHARPTON: We start with the backlash to Indiana`s new law that could
legalize discrimination under the cover of religious freedom. Indiana`s
republican Governor Mike Pence signed the religious freedom restoration act
into law yesterday. Critics says the bill could allow private businesses
to refuse to serve same-sex couples. And the backlash on social media to
Pence has been severe. Miley Cyrus posted on her Instagram page, "you`re a
blank. Governor Pence, the only place that has more idiots than Instagram
is in politics." The NCAA is hosting the final four in Indianapolis next
week and has expressed concern over the law. Other businesses have
threatened to pull out of the state entirely. There are now 20 states with
similar legislation and Governor Pence is defending the law.


GOV. MIKE PENCE (R), INDIANA: This bill is not about discrimination.
And if I thought it was about discrimination, I would have vetoed it. I
think there`s been a lot of misunderstanding about this bill.


SHARPTON: Jimmy, he says it`s all just a big misunderstanding.
What`s your reaction?

WILLIAMS: I think that the misunderstanding was when he was a member
of Congress, there was probably no more homophobic member of the House of
Representatives than Congressman Mike Pence. Today he`s Governor George
Wallace. Today is a Jim Crow. Today he is the governor in 2015 of the
state of Indiana. And what he has said is that anybody, any business, any
public accommodation can now say to anyone they disagree with because of
sexual orientation, race, whatever it is that he can say no because we
don`t believe in you under our religion. That`s the same thing that Jim
Crow was. That is exactly what George Wallace did. There is no difference
except that was 40 years ago and this is 2015. He should be ashamed. My
home state governor in South Carolina Nikki Haley should be ashamed and so
should the 17 other states that have passed these pieces of legislation.
We ought to sue the hell out of these people, find cases where they
discriminated against us. And sue them and take it all the way to the
Supreme Court and destroy Jim Crow once and for all.

SHARPTON: Victoria, isn`t that the real point? That if this stands,
that they can use religion to say it`s against my religion for any number
of people, race, nationality, and in any number of other things. And isn`t
this also bad politics? I mean, the GOP`s supposed to be reaching out. I
mean, look at this.

SOTO: It`s bad politics, Reverend, and it`s also bad economics. So,
I agree with Jimmy. You`ve got to sue the heck out of this, let it reach
the Supreme Court. But I`m also going to call on businesses to boycott
Indiana. Think back to a couple of years ago when Arizona passed SB 1070
and what did Latino serving groups and Latino serving businesses and people
who supported Latinos and immigrants do? You know, what Arizona, we are
not going to do business with you. And I think the mighty dollar needs to
speak with regards to Indiana. We need to attack this problem from many
angles. Courts, economics, politics, and social media. I don`t agree with
a lot of what Miley Cyrus does or says, but God bless her for what she did
on Instagram.

SHARPTON: Stephanie?

MILLER: Yes, I mean, I agree. I think, you know, that`s what`s been
heartening Victoria is how the business community has already spoken
whether it`s sales force saying they`re not going to take their business
there. I love the gaming convections. Nerds come to the rescue of us
gays. It is really, you know, and honestly, Rev, if we`re going to start
with everything in the bible, you know, we got to start shutting down Long
John Silvers because you can`t eat shellfish. You got to start shutting
down people that wear two kinds of fabrics. It is ridiculous to try to
make social policy in the 21st Century on the bible. And it is -- liberty
in that bill, Rev, means your liberty to discriminate against me, against

SHARPTON: And liberty to discriminate against people with the bible.
Once you open that door, where does it stop?

WILLIAMS: That`s right.

SHARPTON: A lot of pressure on. We`re going to be following this
one. Let`s move on to that big announcement from Senate Minority Leader
Harry Reid.


SEN. HARRY REID (D), NEVADA: We`ve got to be more concerned about the
country, the Senate, the state of Nevada than us. And as a result of that,
I`m not going to run for re-election. My friend Senator McConnell, don`t
be too elated. I am going to be here for 22 months and you know what I`m
going to be doing? The same thing that I`ve done since I first came to the


SHARPTON: A former boxer Reid brought his love of a fight from the
boxing ring to the Senate floor. As Senate Majority Leader for eight
years, he was instrumental in getting the Affordable Care Act passed in
2010. Today President Obama paid tribute to his work on a call-in radio



REID: It is.

OBAMA: Harry this is Barack.

REID: We`ll I`ll be damned. I`ll be damned.

OBAMA: Are you allowed to say that on live radio?

REID: Well, I`ll be damned. What a guy.

OBAMA: Well, I could not be prouder of him. He did an unbelievable
job on a whole bunch of really tough issues. He`s been one of my best
partners and best friends. And I`m really honored to have served him.


SHARPTON: Victoria, Reid was as crafty as they come. Democrats will
miss him, won`t they?

SOTO: They will miss him dearly. And I think what`s going to be
really interesting here is what happens in his home state of Nevada. We`re
going to be seeing that seat open up and I think we`re going to be seeing
Brian Sandoval, the current governor fighting very hard for that seat. You
know, with regards to the Senate leadership, I don`t think there are going
to be a lot of surprises. There have been rumors that maybe Patty Murray
or Elizabeth Warren. But I think at the end of the day it is going to be
Chuck Schumer. Why? He`s been his lieutenant. But more importantly he
has been a rainmaker for the Senate democrats. And come 2016, the Senate
democrats don`t just want to win, they want to win big and get that veto-
proof majority in the Senate.

SHARPTON: Well, Schumer is all right. I`ve known Schumer for long
time. We`re both from Brooklyn. Jimmy, how did Reid -- what made him so
effective? How did he get things done? He was very crafty, but he found a
way to get things done that was unusual on some hard assignments.

WILLIAMS: Rev, I worked in the Senate. First of all, I worked for
both Durbin and Schumer. And I worked under Mr. Reid when he was the whip.
He loves the institution, I can tell you. That perhaps behind his wife,
there is no thing that he loves more than the United States Senate. Maybe
his children. But he really and truly loved being in that place. Loves
being in that place. Loves his staff. And he`s an institutional. He
likes to make the place -- he just -- it`s that closed network of 100. And
so he will be missed, I think, by a lot of people. Not by a lot of
republicans but by I think the majority of the democratic caucus who
replaces him. Chuck Schumer. Again, someone I worked for for a brief
period of time. Senator Durbin is going to run for the whip spot again.
And Leader Reid has endorsed him for that. Senator Schumer has not. And
so I suspect that friction is very frustrating I think for those of us who
have worked in the United States Senate and want that place to work better,
more free openly with amendments and that sort of thing. But today is
Harry Reid`s day. And that`s what we should be thinking about is his
legacy. And it`s one hell of a legacy, no doubt about it.

SHARPTON: Hold on, Stephanie. Everybody stay with me. We`ll be
right back with Hillary Clinton`s listening tour. What she plans for after
the big announcement. And is the first couple heading to New York? Lots
of buzz today about their potential plan for the big apple. Stay with us.


SHARPTON: We`re back with our panel Stephanie, Jimmy and Victoria.

Next up, the Hillary Clinton listening tour. There`s still no
official date for an announcement about a potential presidential run, but
Politico reports that afterwards she will embark on a short tour to
interact with voters in a series of events, most of them in low key cities.
One source saying they know they need to reintroduce Hillary to America.
Stephanie, is this the right move for her again? I remember she did this
when she ran in 2000 for the Senate in New York.

MILLER: That`s right. Well, you know, after Victoria had to harsh
all of our buzz on a Friday by saying Elizabeth Warren is not going to be
the majority leader. Our minority leader and we have some of us having
Elizabeth Warren Jones for president, she`s not running for that. I think
this is the right move for Hillary. I think she`s actually been funny
lately Rev when she was talking about her new e-mail and her new
relationship with the press. And I say as a comedian she needs to bust the
funny out now. Now later like Mitt Romney was really funny the other night
with Jimmy Fallon. You were like now? Now you`re funny?

SHARPTON: Yes, little late.

MILLER: Bod Dole when he did the Viagra commercial, you`re like,
where was the funny? But I mean, people that I know that know her, Rev,
say she`s very funny. And I think that you know, we saw in the later
phases of the campaign the last time, she really started to loosen up. And
I think this is a good idea. And I think if she`s listening to America,
what she`s going to hear is, we don`t give a flying app about the e-mails,
about the BJs from a thousand years ago. We care about what you`re going
to do now. And I hope they keep talking about the Obama/Clinton policies
as Ted Cruz said the other day, Rev. Because guess what, unemployment was
10 percent when they took over. It`s probably going to be five by the time
Hillary is running. Look at every indicator. Health care, the stock
market, everything else. Please run on the Obama/Clinton record.

SHARPTON: Well, it`s under six percent now. Victoria?

SOTO: You know, with Hillary Clinton what we need to do is see the
human side of Hillary Clinton.


SOTO: And I also think with that comes some emotion. Remember back
to 2008 when she was running in the primary and she was in New Hampshire
and she was doing one of these small meetings and a woman asked her, how do
you do it? Basically, how do you keep it together? And she started to
answer and then she was tearing up and she got very emotional. And rather
than getting a negative response to that, the American public said, wow,
you`re human. You have emotions. And she got a lot of positive re-
enforcement for that. So I`m not saying tear up all the time, pull a
Boehner. I`m saying show yourself. Pull down that professional screen,
pull down that toughness and let us see you for who you are. And the other
thing she needs to do in this listening tour is listen especially closely
to women and to young women. She cannot assume that women are
automatically going to support her because she`s a woman. Especially with
the Lena Dunham generation, those young girls. She needs to listen to them
and let them know that she`s going to be an advocate for them if she
reaches the White House.

SHARPTON: Jimmy, let me go to another topic with you, where will the
Obamas live after they leave the White House? You know, BuzzFeed is
reporting today they are seriously considering a move to the big apple.
Columbia University is a top contender for President Obama`s library which
would be a homecoming of sorts for the president who graduated from
Columbia in 1983.

Jimmy, President Clinton already has an office in Harlem. Is New York
big enough for two former presidents?

WILLIAMS: It already has nine million people, so why not? I think,
you know, a couple secret service agents, a family. I mean, the thing to
remember is, his youngest daughter will still be I think maybe an incoming
junior when he leaves the White House. So they have a couple of years left
here in Washington, D.C. unless they decide to move her from Sidwell
friends to wherever they go and she can finish out her high school years
there. But listen, New York is a great city. New York is a resilient
city. It`s a tough city. If the president loves it, he loves it. My gut
tells me that will not be their only home. They already have their place
in Chicago. And rumor has it last week, they were looking at a place in
Hawaii. So you`ve got New York, Chicago, and Hawaii. Not a bad way to go.

SHARPTON: Stephanie, Jimmy, and Victoria, thanks to all of you and
have a great weekend.

MILLER: Thanks, Rev.

WILLIAMS: Have a great weekend. Thank you.

SOTO: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: When we come back, the powerful new film about the obesity
epidemic that`s threatening millions of American kids. Stay with us.


SHARPTON: America is facing a major health crisis. Childhood obesity
has quadrupled in recent decades. Nearly a third of kids are overweight.
Now a new documentary is tackling the issue head on. "Bite size" follows
the story of four overweight children and their struggle to slim down to a
healthier size.


UNIDENTIFIED BOY: I want my diabetes to go away so I can do what
everybody else can do.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: You`re eating your life away. You`re a couch

UNIDENTIFIED BOY: How could he be making fun of me if he has his bag
of Cheetos and then right there he is drinking his coke?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: They all love to dance. And so, maybe that`s the
first step.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: She`s lost the weight and comes home. Is there the
accountability to us? Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I am a never-ending trash can.


SHARPTON: I spoke recently with the director of "Bite Size" Corbin
Billings and asked him what inspired him to create this film.


CORBIN BILLINGS, DIRECTOR, "BITE SIZE": You have to understand that
it`s a growing up epidemic that we as a nation are facing. You know, we`re
facing statistics that are one out of three children in America are obese.
And what I really wanted to do is portray the faces behind the numbers so
that people could not just recognize that it`s a problem but relate to the
problem and maybe then invest in becoming part of the solution.

SHARPTON: Now, I grew up fat myself, and it struck me personally.
You know, one of the kids you feature also suffers from a very common
health problem associated with being overweight. Type 2 diabetes. Let`s
play this clip.


UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I ain`t never been on ball camp. I can`t
participate through the whole thing. I got diabetes already. I might not
probably live that long. I want to live as long as everybody else, you
know. Some people don`t live that long.

SHARPTON: What does it mean for a kid to have type 2 diabetes?

BILLINGS: Type 2 diabetes is a result of diet, lack of exercise and
general obesity. But these kids especially Dave and it breaks my heart
that, you know, when I hear that, that he has to consider and grapple with
his own mortality. Because these kids, if they`re diagnosed below the age
of 15, they`re facing 27 years shorter life expectancy. And I`m 26 myself
and so this overwhelms me. And so, what we really wanted to portray in
following his story specifically, he lives in the Mississippi Delta which
is number one in terms of type 2 diabetes, adult childhood, obesity,
hypertension, you name it. And we wanted to see even in that environment,
those circumstances, even if he would be able to rise above it and
overcome. And it was just absolutely amazing to witness his journey.

SHARPTON: Now, all four kids revealed that they`ve been targeted by
bullies as a result of their weight. And you captured a really powerful
moment when some of the girls wrote down the names they`d been called.
Let`s watch.


UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: We`re going to put all of this ugliness behind
us. We`re going to put behind us big "A," fat "A," fatness, fat whale,
cow, cheeseburger, big blob, and some of the other terrible names on here.
They`re hurtful. They stay with you. Long after the person has said them.


SHARPTON: Besides the health risks, how does being overweight affect
these kids emotionally and mentally?

BILLINGS: Well, I speak purely from experience that it`s shameful.
We exist in a country, you know, whether you`re looking at commercials or
you`re looking at who`s on the cover of the magazine, the way that people
are photoshopped, there`s a certain stigma that`s attached to being
overweight or heavy. These kids learns self-love and shed the emotional
weight of always being different and ostracized because of it.

SHARPTON: Corbin, we`re out of time, but how are the kids doing now?

BILLINGS: They`re doing great. I mean, obviously it`s still a
struggle for all of them. It`s a struggle for me personally too. But what
you`ll see in the film is that it defies all expectations. It`s not an
issue of race, it`s not an issue of class, or gender. This is an American
issue. And you`ll watch kids succeed despite your -- their limitations.
And your own expectations. And it`s really an inspirational and hopeful
film at the end of the day.

SHARPTON: Corbin Billings, thank you for your time.

BILLINGS: Thank you.

SHARPTON: You can go to for more information on
where to see this documentary.


SHARPTON: We`ll be right back. My parting thoughts on today`s big
report on that racist frat video.


SHARPTON: We close tonight by going back to that breaking news. The
report on that racist frat video by the University of Oklahoma. The school
president saying that chant was learned at a leadership conference held by
the national frat and saying the larger issue is something we all must


America. We`ve had an epidemic of racism all across our country.
Ferguson, Missouri, might be the best known case. But it`s all across our
country. Every day, every week there seems to be another one. And I`ve
asked myself, why. Why is this happening? I don`t know why it`s
happening. But I know what we can do in this country of ours. Every
single one of us here and every single one seeing me or hearing my voice,
we can stop it.


SHARPTON: We can stop it. We have to stop it. This is a national
issue. Late today we learned that a student at ole miss had been indicted
on several rights charges for hanging a noose around a statue honoring the
school`s first black student. That noose was found in 2014. More than 50
years after James Meredith integrated that university. Yes, everything is
not racist. Everyone is not a racist. But racism exists. And
discrimination denies people equal opportunity and equal protection under
the law. We can`t stop it while we`re in denial. We must confront it and
deal with it. And we can.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. Have a great weekend.
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