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Show: THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O`DONNELL
Date: March 24, 2015
Guest: Michael Kay, Kevin Russo, Peter Welch, Joy Reid, Dafna Linzer,
Christina Greer, Mo`ne Davis



RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC: That does it for us tonight, we will see you again
tomorrow, now it`s time for THE LAST WORD with Lawrence O`Donnell.

Good evening Lawrence.

LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST, THE LAST WORD: Rachel, we`re going to start with
an update on the crash site in France, we`re going to go straight to that.

MADDOW: Good --

O`DONNELL: Thanks Rachel.

MADDOW: Thanks man. Well, in France, they are examining the cockpit voice
recorder of that German flight that crashed in the French Alps this
morning.

And Israel is now denying that it spied on the United States negotiations
with Iran, and Democrats are urging Hillary Clinton to sound more like
Elizabeth Warren.

And this is true, the draft-Biden movement is officially under way.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Our thoughts and our prayers
are with our friends in Europe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the crash of a Germanwings flight over the French
Alps.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bits of debris are littered across the remote
mountainside.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For now, nothing explains why the plane fell so far, so
fast.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are not expected to be any survivors.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The "Wall Street Journal" reporting that Israel spied
on the Iran nuke talks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Use of classified information to urge members of
Congress to oppose any agreement.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not aware of that at all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Israel was denying the allegations strongly --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Angelina Jolie goes public about a very personal
decision.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two weeks ago, blood tests showed what could be an
early sign of ovarian cancer.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Today, she writes about her preventative move to have
her ovaries and fallopian tubes removed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jolie says she is confident in her decision.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is new video showing the incident involving
senior Secret Service personnel rolling their vehicle into a temporary
plastic barrel on the White House grounds.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After an alleged night of drinking.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is vulnerability. That vulnerability goes to the
safety of the President of the United States of America.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look who`s turning to Obamacare for his health
insurance needs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`ll no longer be able to get coverage through his
wife`s employer Goldman Sachs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s obviously and completely ironic and sort of
hilarious.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: Imagine in 2017, a new president repealing every
word of Obamacare.

REP. PETER KING (R), NEW YORK: He`s just a guy with a big mouth and no
results.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ted Cruz could be president of the United States, and
if you thought the Secret Service was drinking before, well --

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Flight from Barcelona to Dusseldorf, Germany, ended tragically
this morning just 40 minutes after takeoff with the cockpit voice recorder
recovered from the scene.

Airline officials say they expect to figure out relatively quickly what
caused the Germanwings flight 9525 to crash into the French Alps.

None of the 150 people on board are expected to be found alive. One
foreign minister from Germany called the crash site "a picture of horror."

The plane took off from Barcelona at 10:00 a.m. local time, about 27
minutes after takeoff, the plane reached the cruising altitude of 38,000
feet.

Less than five minutes later, the plane started to descend about 4,000 feet
per minute until it eventually crashed into the mountainside eight minutes
later.

On board were six crew members and 144 passengers, including two infants,
16 German 10th graders who had spent last week in Spain for an exchange
program.

So far, U.S. government officials say there is no indication that this
crash is an act of terrorism.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: Our thoughts and our prayers are with our friends in Europe,
especially the people of Germany and Spain following a terrible airplane
crash in France.

Germany and Spain are among our strongest allies in the world, and our
message to them is that, as their steadfast friend and ally, America stands
with them at this moment of sorrow.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Joining us now is "Nbc`s" Claudio Lavanga in France near the
crash site. Claudio, what is the latest there?

CLAUDIO LAVANGA, NBC: Well, Lawrence, I`m here at the Rescue Command
Center here in Seyne les Alps. This is the town that is closest to the
crash site.

Now, that crash site is on a steep mountainous terrain which makes it very
difficult for rescuers to reach. Of course, they`ll try again tomorrow
morning in the light of day.

They`ve been using 300 firemen, 300 policemen, and especially and in
particularly local mountain police that know the area very well.

They will try to reach of course the bodies of the 150 passengers and crew.
But now they have converted -- though they will -- we`ve been told they
will convert a sports center here in this town into a morgue where these
bodies will be taken.

But of course tomorrow, from tomorrow, investigators will have to answer
that question of what happened on that flight when it started normally on a
route that plane or that company has taken many times before.

The weather was fair, it was perfectly fine, and the plane reached a
cruising altitude, as you said in your intro, of 38,000 feet.

And then suddenly, it dropped heavily to 6,000 feet in eight minutes and
then it crashed in the mountains.

Now, what`s strange about that, particularly strange about that is that,
the pilots did not send out any distress signal, no Mayday.

Why? Well, that could be two reasons. Well, of course, they were -- they
could have been trying desperately to lift the plane up, but the other
possibility is that they were unconscious, and possibly because of lack of
oxygen.

But this is of course all hypothesis. And thanks to that, black box that
was found today that includes of course the conversation between the
pilots, that will be analyzed and then may give the investigators the
answers they`re looking for, Lawrence?

O`DONNELL: Claudio, are we expecting to hear tomorrow from the
investigators anything about the contents of that voice recorder?

LAVANGA: Yes, the aviation authority in France has said already that in
the afternoon at 4:00 p.m. local there, they will hold a press conference,
so we may well hear what the contents of that conversation between the
pilots were.

Of course, they`re still looking for the second black box which contains
the flight data recorder, which contains a whole bunch of statistics of the
plane that will be just as important as the conversation of the pilots and
that may be found tomorrow, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Claudio, thank you for joining us tonight. Joining us now here
in the studio, Michael Kay, a pilot and former senior British officer and
military strategist, and Kevin Russo, a former commercial and military
pilot, he now flies corporate planes.

Michael Kay, what do you make of it so far?

MICHAEL KAY, PILOT: Hi Lawrence, yes, I think there`s been -- been
reporting on this all day and there`s been a lot of focus on the lack of
distress call, the May Day call.

There`s another really key component of this which is raising alarm bells
for me. And that`s the fact that a pilot`s mantra is to -- is to aviate,
navigate and then communicate.

And the navigation piece of that Lawrence, is that there was no attempt --
or there appears to be no attempt by the crew to turn the aircraft to a
suitable diversion in that field at the point that which they enter the
descent which was at 30,000 feet.

If you look at the speed aircraft profile, you can track it back to between
40 and 50 miles before the point of impact. That places the aircraft in
between approximately Marseille and Nice which are two very key airfields.

That this aircraft could have landed at, that`s the first thing which is
raising alarm bells. The second thing that I think is really important and
as well is that, we talk about incapacitation.

We also need to talk about situational unawareness of what`s going on. And
a good case study of that is the Air France 447 Flight.

Now, the debris was found straight away, the black boxes were found two
years later, but what happened there was that, the Pitot tube which affect
-- it takes air pressure into the air speed indicator eye, stopped, and it
gave erroneous readings in the cockpit.

The crew misinterpreted what those readings were and entered into a
catastrophic stall, however, no radio call was put out.

So when they`re talking about the two possible theories, yes, no RT(ph)
call was put out, yes, incapacitation could be one.

But we mustn`t also lose sight of the fact that it didn`t navigate itself
to an airfield and there could be an Air France 447-type scenario which we,
you know, we need to be aware of.

O`DONNELL: Kevin Russo, can you imagine a situation where an aircraft like
this, the pilots have lost control over it, functional control over it, and
yet it`s continuing on a fairly steady glide path?

KEVIN RUSSO, PILOT: Yes, there is a very good possibility like Mike was
saying, that if you`re incapacitated in the cockpit, so -- let`s go, maybe
they`re flying and initially at the altitude, they start getting a warning
that they have a cabin altitude problem.

Now, the first thing they`re going to do is want to start descending the
aircraft. Now that slowed depressurization may turn to what they call
rapid depressurization.

At that point, now they may go up, grab the altitude-select, go down to say
4,000 feet a minute, they may pick that, start to descend the aircraft.
But what they`re not realizing is that they should really take their oxygen
masks first.

That should be the first thing. If they didn`t do that, your consciousness
there at that time period, in that altitude could be anywhere from 20 to
maybe 30 seconds.

So now, as they`re doing this, trying to get the altitude down, trying to
get the airplane set, they`re set at 4,000 feet, but now hypoxic starts
coming in.

And hypoxia basically, you`re not unconscious yet, but you start losing
your ability to control what you need to control.

So now they may not be able to get the oxygen masks, they end up passing
out and then the aircraft continues in --

O`DONNELL: And --

RUSSO: That point I`m afraid --

O`DONNELL: In that --

RUSSO: Exact --

O`DONNELL: Scenario, what is happening back in the passenger compartment?

RUSSO: Passengers right now are probably seeing that they`re descending,
so they`re probably wondering why they`re descending, if they have a
computer back there; the screen that shows their distance, they know
they`re not anywhere near Dusseldorf.

The other thing that may happen also is the oxygen masks may have deployed,
because once cabin altitude gets above I believe 14,000 feet, on a lot of
commercial airliners, the masks will deploy automatically.

So now the masks are coming out, they`re trying to put it on, flight
attendants are probably going through a procedure for rapid
depressurization, and unfortunately not knowing that the pilots may be
incapacitated upfront.

They already set the airplane at 4,000 per minute descent rate, and I`m not
sure if it kept that rate all the way down, but if it did, that may be a
good explanation of what happened.

O`DONNELL: Michael, we`re going to probably hear something about the
contents of the voice recorder tomorrow. That -- in this particular case,
the voice recorder should tell us a lot, shouldn`t it?

KAY: Yes, it will certainly tell us a lot more than we know at the moment.
But what will be key here, Lawrence, is when we find the flight data
recorder and then we cross-refer what we hear on the CVR versus what the
FDR is telling us.

And the FDR -- let`s say for example, there was an engine failure, you will
hear alarms going off in the cockpit, you will get that indication, you
will get RPM rundowns, you will get air speed rundowns.

The FDR will tell you all of that. The CVR will tell you the inter-cockpit
communication that`s going on.

Now if the inter-cockpit communication doesn`t refer or doesn`t align to
what the FDR is telling you, then you have a scenario like Air France 447,
which was the Brazil to France flight that crashed into the Atlantic.

If you do have CVR communication which matches with the FDR, then that will
be another interesting story and obviously that will play out as the board
of inquiry concludes.

O`DONNELL: Michael Kay and Kevin Russo, thank you both --

KAY: Good to see you around --

O`DONNELL: Oh, yes, all right, thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: And we`re going to ask you to stay close by in case there`s any
breaking news on this -- on the investigation tonight.

Coming up, Israel is now denying that it spied on the United States talks
with Iran. And later, what the youngest person, whoever graced the cover
of "Sports Illustrated" shares with President Obama, the great Mo`ne Davis
is in the building, she will join me later.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O`DONNELL: Well, we got a little help from our friends last night on
Twitter after the program. You will remember we were discussing Ted Cruz`s
citizenship issues when it comes to running for president since he was born
in Canada.

I asked Sam Stein if he remembered how that worked out for John McCain, who
was also born outside of the country to American parents.

Sam Stein said he couldn`t remember exactly how that worked, I couldn`t
either. Then after the show, I take a look at Twitter, and there is
Michie(ph) who tweeted this.

"Apparently I out-wonk Lawrence`s panel, this is how John McCain got
natural-born citizen status though born in Panama."

Supplying a link to Senate resolution 511 which was passed in the Senate by
unanimous consent on April 30th, 2008.

That resolution is recognizing that John Sidney McCain III is a natural-
born citizen. Senator Barack Obama was a co-sponsor of that resolution.

Senator John McCain then, of course, did not exactly return the favor
during President Obama`s re-election campaign when crazies out there led by
Donald Trump were questioning the President`s own natural-born citizenship.

Which, of course, was very clearly established. Up next, the White House
says Israel was spying on their negotiations with Iran.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: We have not just briefed Congress about the progress or lack
thereof that`s being made, but we also briefed the Israelis and our other
partners in the region, and around the world.

And if, in fact, an agreement is arrived, that we feel confident, will
prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, it`s going to be there for
everybody to see.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Today, the "Wall Street Journal" reports that Israel has been
spying on the United States negotiations with Iran.

The journal says, "Israel acquired information from confidential U.S.
briefings, informants and diplomatic contacts in Europe."

The journal quoted one senior U.S. official as saying, "it`s one thing for
the U.S. and Israel to spy on each other, it`s another thing for Israel to
steal U.S. secrets and play them back to U.S. legislators to undermine U.S.
diplomacy."

Today, house Speaker John Boehner who invited Benjamin Netanyahu to speak
to Congress said this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER, UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES:
I read that, the story this morning, and frankly I was a bit shocked
because there`s no information revealed to me of whatsoever.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Joining me now from Washington is Democratic Congressman Peter
Welch, also joining us here in New York is Fordham University Professor
Christina Greer, Msnbc`s Joy Reid and Msnbc Digital Managing Editor Dafna
Linzer.

Congressman Welch, what is your reaction to this report about Israel`s
spying and Speaker Boehner`s response to that?

REP. PETER WELCH (D), VERMONT: Well, I share the shock that Speaker
Boehner expressed. My hope is that the Speaker is going to want to get to
the bottom of it.

I mean if these reports are true, it`s a shocking breach between two very
close allies. And of course, this comes on the top of Boehner and
Netanyahu arranging the speech without letting the President know.

It comes on top of Mr. Netanyahu repudiating what has been a long-time
public position shared by the United States and the European allies about a
two-state solution.

And it obviously comes on top of prime minister doing everything he
possibly can to unravel, yes, the potential of any deal. So this is very
disturbing.

And it is especially disturbing when you think about the fact that with all
the attention between the President and the prime minister, the President
has stood behind Israel, over $20 billion in aids during his administration
and about $2.3 billion in the Iron Dome.

And then in the U.N., defending against hostile initiatives against Israel,
so it`s pretty dismay.

O`DONNELL: Joy Reid, Bibi Netanyahu obviously wanted to win any way
possible --

JOY REID, MSNBC: Yes --

O`DONNELL: Enter re-election, and he won ugly as they say. And then has
found himself since apologizing for what he said to win, backtracking from
it now.

Israeli officials giving statements to the "New York Times" saying, oh, no,
we didn`t spy on the United States, we didn`t do that, we didn`t do that at
all --

REID: Yes, you know, in a lot of ways I think we are witnessing the NATO
of U.S.-Israeli relations, a lot of it of the prime ministers own making.

Because I spoke with one lawmaker who described it as Bibi Netanyahu`s
tendency to sound like a tea-partier, when he`s talking about American
politics which has turned off a lot of Democrats.

People who are even strongly supportive of Israel, who don`t like the tone
that Netanyahu takes towards the President of the United States, that
includes some black Democrats who find it very offensive.

And then on top of that, to say that the Arabs are voting in droves, though
he`s tried to take that back.

That`s a pretty harsh thing to say, and sort of this speaks some of the
problems we`ve had in this country of people not wanting the whole
population to vote.

But the real risk I think for Netanyahu right now is that he has in as one
-- Jeffrey Goldberg described in "The Atlantic", he`s weaponized Israeli
politics on a very partisan scale in the United States.

And now this story does make it appear that the government in Israel has
used one of our political parties as essentially the pawn of this foreign
government against their own president.

That is as ugly as it gets.

O`DONNELL: Yes, and Dafna, presenting their intelligence to your Congress
secretly --

DAFNA LINZER, DIGITAL MANAGING EDITOR, MSNBC: Yes, I`m sorry that Boehner
is so surprised.

And maybe he can talk a little bit more about it with Netanyahu when he
goes to Israel at Netanyahu`s invitation.

He`s on his way there in a few days. So I think, you know, he shouldn`t be
surprised. Is not that surprising, I would just even -- to take it a
little bit further from Joy`s presentation directly with this president.

Which is that Netanyahu has had a bad relationship with every U.S.
president that he`s had to deal with.

And you know, last night at a conference in Washington, James Baker, who
was Secretary of State for George H.W. Bush, went out against Netanyahu.

Came out hard, swinging hard, this is before the "Wall Street Journal"
piece came out even, saying that Netanyahu`s comments about opposing a
Palestinian statehood were just outrageous.

They were just flying in the face of years of American diplomacy, decades
really of American diplomacy. And this is -- this is, you know, James
Baker, who is now working for Jeb Bush.

James Baker who in 1990 went before Congress when Netanyahu was the Deputy
Foreign Minister of Israel, and said you know, when you`re serious about
peace, call us.

And then gave the White House switchboard phone number so that somebody in
Israel would pick up the phone and actually do it.

And it took months before that would happen. And I think with Netanyahu
here, with Obama, I think Obama is just a president who is finally kind of
publicly calling his bluff.

O`DONNELL: Want to switch to the President`s, in his comments today, the
new leader of Afghanistan. And we want to hear from him because it`s
really -- he`s saying things that we have not heard before.

Let`s listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ASHRAF GHANI AHMADZAI, PRESIDENT OF AFGHANISTAN: This unity is a
reflection of the desire of the Afghan public to overcome the last 200
years of our political history.

Where rarely public figures have chosen the country before themselves. We
are committed in this regard to emulate the founding fathers and mothers of
the United States where national interest will stand above personal or
factional interests.

Tragedy brought us together, interest now will unite us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Christina Greer, he talked about 200 years of their political
history where they have not gone -- there was -- anything like a decent job
of governing.

He also talked about three million Afghan children in -- women, girls in
school now, and saying that there will soon one day be an Afghan woman
president.

And talked about -- and went on to talk about Islam in Afghanistan and this
is the real Islam and we are fighting against these pretenders to Islam.

It was really an extraordinary statement.

CHRISTINA GREER, PROFESSOR, FORDHAM UNIVERSITY: Right, and -- but it have
to strike that tone of progressive politics, because he`s also asking the
American people to be patient while we give them a few more trillion
dollars, right?

Obama has essentially said that we will see there. I mean he`s declared
that he`s a hawk, right? And we will stay in Afghanistan and yes, it will
end in 2017.

But ten thousand people will still -- ten thousand soldiers, men and women
will be there. I thought it was very fascinating also that he made
recognition of founding fathers and mothers, which is something that even
our own members of Congress often times fail to mention.

So yes, we`re in an era of gender equality at least in rhetoric. And we`ll
see how this particular president moves forward.

O`DONNELL: Daf, and your reaction to it.

LINZER: Two things, one is the man who wasn`t in the room, which is
President Karzai --

O`DONNELL: Yes --

LINZER: What a difference that makes --

O`DONNELL: So refreshing --

LINZER: It was amazing --

O`DONNELL: Yes --

LINZER: And you know, Obama didn`t hold back. I mean he talked
specifically about, here is a guy who has grabbed the mantle of commander
in chief.

O`DONNELL: Yes, he has --

LINZER: Yes --

REID: I think it`s fascinating that, one of the interesting outgrowths of
the Obama era might be a re-ordering of our relationship to the near east.

When you look at Afghanistan and its neighbor Iran, the aggressive moves
that the United States is taking towards re-ordering our relationship with
that part of the world, I think is fascinating.

O`DONNELL: Congressman Welch, what was your reaction to that today?

WELCH: Well, I think Prime Minister Netanyahu could learn something from
the Afghan-sitting president. But you know, it`s two things.

Number one, it`s such a better relationship than with the very mercurial
and erratic Karzai, so that`s good.

In a second, somewhat reassuring because he appears at least to understand
some of the things that we have to hear in order to be able to stay in.

But really, the truth is going to be in the telling, and frankly, I think
that we should be leaving faster rather than slower.

And I think that we really -- it`s going to be up to the President to see
whether Afghanistan can essentially step up to the battle.

O`DONNELL: Congressman Peter Welch, thank you very much for joining us
tonight.

WELCH: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: Coming up, the push to make Hillary Clinton sound like
Elizabeth Warren.

And we are finally getting a look at the video of what happened the night
Secret Service agents were suspected of drunk-driving at the White House.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: Is it really possible that the
Supreme Court will decide to strip more than 7 million people of their
ability to pay for health insurance?

What will the new Republican plan to end Medicare as we know it mean for
middle class families? These are critical questions, and their answers will
impact tens of millions of Americans.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Democrats in Iowa and New Hampshire want Hillary Clinton and
anyone else who might run for president to embrace the Elizabeth Warren
wing of the Democratic Party.

In a statement released to the media, the Progressive Change Campaign
Committee writes, "we want the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee to
campaign on big, bold, economic populist ideas such as expanding social
security benefits, reducing big money, influencing politics.

Breaking up the too big, too fail Wall Street banks. We have
responsibility to choose the best candidate for our state, our party and
our nation. We take our responsibility seriously."

The letter was signed by more than 200 Iowa and New Hampshire activists,
including Former Senator Tom Harken, an influential Iowa Democrat and the
host of 37 Annual Harken Steak Fries, a must-stop on the campaign trail for
any Democratic presidential candidate.

Joy Reid, there is an addition to this, something I think we desperately
need, and that is a draft by the --

(LAUGHTER)

-- movement. Because, you know, why else would Joe Biden ever run if he
wasn`t drafted into running for president. And it`s apparently arranged by
some former --

JOY REID, MSNBC NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes.

O`DONNELL: -- Obama campaign people. But this push by the Progressive
Change Campaign Committee to, you know, make Hillary Clinton sound like
Elizabeth Warren, it sounds like they`ve given up, possibly, on getting
Elizabeth Warren to run.

But they do want to turn Hillary Clinton into Elizabeth Warren.

REID: Yes, I mean, anyone who`s realistic needs to give up on
Elizabeth Warren running. She`s made it very clear, I think, that she`s
not going to run.

But, obviously, the ascended wing of the party is that the Liberal Party --
everything, like fashion, comes around again, right. And, suddenly, you do
see a much more robust liberal wing of the party.

Bill de Blasio, the mayor of New York, is part of it. Elizabeth Warren,
obviously, is leading in the Senate.

And I think it`s a good thing because the Democrats do need to have a
debate between their more corporatist wing and their liberal wing. And I
would --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

-- stipulate on the Biden thing that I might have a bias because I believe
Joe Biden should be vice president forever --

(LAUGHTER)

-- and ever and ever and ever.

O`DONNELL: He`s available.

REID: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Yes.

REID: And so, I think, he should always be vice president. So, I`m down
with that draft Biden thing.

O`DONNELL: Christina, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee are the
people who really kind of drafted Elizabeth Warren into running for Senate
in Massachusetts. She wasn`t interested in being an elected official.

And they kept pushing her and pushing her. And they got her to do it.

CHRISTINA GREER, PROFESSOR, FORDHAM UNIVERSITY: Right. But there`s a
fundamental difference between running for the Senate and running for the
presidency of the United States.

But I think what the people of Iowa are actually saying is, you know, "If
we want to have free and fair elections and a really robust Democratic
primary, we need actual candidates."

So, they`re saying, "If you have some ideas and if you possibly lean a
little bit to the left," because we know the Clintons are nicely in the
center, and always have been, and probably will stay that way, "we need
someone to step up to the plate."

And if Elizabeth Warren is very clear that she doesn`t want to do it,
that`s fine. But someone needs to dig deep and realize that the Clintons
are beatable.

There are many people, elected and otherwise, that don`t want to see a
rehash of 1992. They don`t want to see a rehash of 2008.

They want Hillary Clinton to really make a case. And if the Democrats
elect her as a nominee, that`s one thing. But there should not be a
coronation.

I think that`s bad for the Democratic Party as a party. But I also think
it`s bad for Democrats in the general election in November of 2016.

O`DONNELL: Dafna, there`s a way in which they`re kind of making it easy
for Hillary Clinton.

(LAUGHTER)

They`re saying, "Look, here are the talking points. We want to hear this
on Too Big to Fail. We want to hear this on Social Security. We want to
hear this."

DAFNA LINZER, MSNBC.COM MANAGING EDITOR: Yes. I think, again, this is
really all about Hillary.

O`DONNELL: Yes.

LINZER: It`s really not about Elizabeth Warren. It`s not about Biden.
It`s really about this fear of a coronation and wanting choices and wanting
options.

Biden is extremely qualified. He`s been vice president --

REID: Yes.

LINZER: -- for six years. He could run. Elizabeth Warren could run. I`m
not counting her out.

But I just think that this is really about Democrats saying, "We must have
a choice. We can`t have our party be about a coronation."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Well, here`s a possible choice -- Robert Reich. No, seriously,
Robert Reich.

(LAUGHTER)

Here`s a "Washington Post" report of a conference call that Robert Reich
was involved with other Democrats. He said, according to this report, "I
think though, if we don`t get a --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

-- candidate or a set of candidates in 2016, who are taking this issue with
seriousness it needs to be taken, I think there will be a lot of people --
Elizabeth Warren, others, maybe even me -- who will toss our hats in the
ring because it has to be addressed." Robert Reich.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: You know what, I think it`s fine for Democrats to have this debate.
But I think Democrats are eventually going to have to come and just accept
the fact, Hillary is going to be a nominee, folks. I don`t see anything
stopping that train --

O`DONNELL: But, you know, we have seen in Rand Paul`s candidacies
repeatedly, someone with nothing to lose, --

REID: Right.

O`DONNELL: -- who wants to get on a debate stage and make certain
arguments, Robert Reich, if he chose to be the Rand Paul of this campaign,
would be a very formidable debate opponent on the stage for Hillary
Clinton. This is a guy who really knows his stuff.

GREER: Well, think about Al Sharpton in 2004. I mean, he`s very clear.
He`s like, "I`m just here to just basically pull you all to the left,"
right.

And so, he brought up some issues that all of the major candidates had to
address at a certain point in time. So, if Reich is on stage, it`d work a
little better, I think, if you have multiple candidates.

So, it`s not A versus B. But I really think that the Democrats need more
than just one more coronated candidate, especially since that one
particular candidate has the last name, "Clinton."

O`DONNELL: Christina Greer and Dafna Linzer, thank you for joining us.
Joy, you`re doing -- it`s Friday at 2:00 o`clock?

REID: Friday at 2:00 o`clock.

O`DONNELL: Tell us what you`re doing.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REID: We are going to grow hope in Detroit. We`re going to basically
highlight a bunch of --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

-- young kids who are trying to make themselves the high-tech future of the
United States. It`s a big push to get young kids coding, to get young kids
into tech, who are African-American or from low-income communities, so
we`re going to try to do some good things. Just enjoy it.

O`DONNELL: Friday at 2:00 o`clock.

REID: Yes.

O`DONNELL: Coming up, the first video of that possible --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

-- drunk-driving incident by Secret Service agents on the White House
grounds.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

The Head of the Secret Service learned about the March 4th incident
involving two Secret Service agents, possibly drunk-driving and bumping
into White House barricades around a potential bomb threat there.

He learned about it five days after the fact, when he came upon an
anonymous e-mail that had been circulating in the Secret Service e-mail
system. That e-mail said, --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

-- "Uniform Division officers at the scene said they were both extremely
intoxicated. They were waving their White House passes around, confused as
to why the post was evacuated. Uniform Division officers were going to
arrest both of them but the Uniform Division Watch Commander said not to."

"Apparently, the whole incident was captured on video from inside the Joint
Operations Center."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

Today, the House Oversight Committee, with Secret Service Director Joseph
Clancy in the witness chair, showed the first public video of that
incident, which Chairman Jason Chaffetz then narrated.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHAIRMAN JASON CHAFFETZ, HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE: Zooming in here, and
you can see that the agents that were in question about what they were
doing -- this is a full 30 minutes after the initial would-be bomb was
placed there.

You can see that there are some big cones or big barrels that are put out.
Now, I -- again, we had two crime scenes at this point -- the assault on
the officer, and then, you have, within just a couple of feet, you can see
they`re actually bumping into that barricade there.

That is not much of a barricade, in my personal opinion. But driving right
within a couple of feet of this would-be bomb, which begs a lot of
additional questions.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Joining us now is Susan Crabtree, White House Correspondent for
"Washington Examiner." Susan, how outraged was the Secret Service Director
that he found out about this incident that way, through the anonymous e-
mail, five days later.

SUSAN CRABTREE, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR "WASHINGTON EXAMINER": Well,
he said he was infuriated. And that was sort of an escalation to what he
said. And previous testimony over the last week, he said he was
disappointed.

But this was a pretty bruising day for Joe Clancy, probably one of the
worst he`s had on Capitol Hill over the -- since this incident occurred
March 4th.

You had Jason Chaffetz really excoriating --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

-- him for not providing more witnesses to the committee. He didn`t --
also, they were very upset. Members were very upset that he did not ask
his senior staff the day he found, whether they knew about it, whether they
were withholding --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

-- information from him. It was, all-in-all, just a really bad day for
Joseph Clancy on Capitol Hill. And we almost felt sorry for him by the end
of the day because --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

-- it was a pretty brutal grilling.

O`DONNELL: Let`s listen to what he said --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

-- about the drinking problem that seems to exist within the Secret
Service.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSEPH CLANCY, U.S. SECRET SERVICE DIRECTOR: We do have a small element
that has a culture of -- in this case, most of our recent cases, alcohol
has been involved in the most recent cases.

However, I will say that the OIG did a report and that eight percent of our
incidents involved alcohol. But, irregardless, looking back at our recent
history, some alcohol has been used.

So, that is clearly something I`m concerned about. And we`re looking at
how to address that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Susan, that seems like a pretty easy thing to address.

CRABTREE: Well, you have -- what strikes me and what my sources within the
Agency are telling me, and outside experts -- attorneys who specialize in
federal labor law, say the FBI has higher standards and higher penalties
for alcohol misuse within their agency.

Also, the TSA has higher standards. Why the Secret Service doesn`t rise to
this occasion. Why doesn`t Joseph Clancy use this occasion to say, "I`m
going to impose greater standards and we`re going to put them in line with
the FBI because we are the -- one of the elites, the National Security
Agencies in the federal government.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

I just don`t understand it. We did hear from him today that they have
raised the standards for government vehicle use. You cannot be drinking
within 10 hours of then getting into your government-owned vehicle.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

So, you know, that was an improvement. But he tucked that in. He didn`t
really announce it as big news.

O`DONNELL: Susan Crabtree, thanks for joining us tonight. Coming up, the
latest from the scene of the tragic --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

-- plane crash in the French Alps. And Mo`ne Davis taught us an important
lesson this week. That`s in the "Rewrite."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

We continue to follow developments from the French Alps in the
investigation into the crash of the German Wings Airbus A-320 this morning.

The black box that was recovered has been taken to Paris. Rescuers believe
all 150 people on board were killed, but their work will begin again as
soon as the sun comes up.

The "Rewrite" is next.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: When you`re running for the
presidency, then you`ve got to expect it and, you know, you just got to
kind of let it --

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

-- you know, you know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Since his emergence on the national stage, Barack Obama has
been giving politicians a daily lesson on how to bear the insults and
attacks that are part of the life in politics.

During his presidency, no politician has been attacked more viciously than
President Obama. No politician has been insulted more, and no politician
has maintained his or her dignity as flawlessly as President Obama has,
under such relentless and baseless personal attacks.

President Obama has delivered a model of grace under fire unlike anything
we have seen in our politics or, perhaps, anywhere in American public life.

And we all need this lesson because we are all, to some extent now, public
figures, thanks to social media.

You live in a world now, where, if you have a Twitter account and you say
something about your daughter`s athletic skills, as former Red Sox pitcher,
Curt Schilling, recently did, you can and, perhaps, you should expect that
your daughter will be viciously attacked by someone from the cesspool
section of Twitter, which is why I, for one, never tweet anything about
family members.

Social media is a very useful, often wonderful and always risky tool. We
can`t eliminate hateful attacks on Twitter, so we have to decide how we`re
going to respond to them.

I recommend ignoring them but, sometimes, they can`t be ignored because
they become news stories. Like last week, when Disney announced --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

-- plans to make a movie about the great Little League pitcher, Mo`ne
Davis. This tweet soon popped up, saying, "Making a movie about Mo`ne
Davis is a joke because her team didn`t win the Little League World
Series."

I can`t bring myself to read the actual words of the tweet. The tweeter
used his real name, Joey Casselberry, and made himself very easy to
identify in a picture, wearing his college`s baseball uniform.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

Because of the ugly, sexist language he used in the tweet, he was kicked
off the Bloomsburg University baseball team. This weekend, he tweeted this
apology before deactivating his Twitter account --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

-- "An example that one stupid tweet can ruin someone`s life and I couldn`t
be more sorry about my actions last night. I, please, ask you to forgive
me and truly understand that I am in no way, shape or form a sexist, and I
am a huge fan of Mo`ne. She was quite an inspiration."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

So, what would you do if you were in Mo`ne Davis` position. Would you be
angry. Would you be hurt. Would you be bitter.

Would you want your tormentor to be punished more, perhaps, suspended from
his college. Would you say the apology doesn`t ring true. Would you
accept the apology.

Well, here is what Mo`ne Davis did. She wrote this letter to Bloomburg
University President --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

-- David Soltz -- "Dear Dr. Soltz, I am writing about the tweet sent out by
your baseball player, Joey Casselberry, and his dismissal from the team
because of it. While I admit I was pretty hurt when I read his comments, I
felt sad that he was dismissed from the team."

"As many people know, my dream is to play college basketball and, maybe,
even professionally. I know how much hard work and dedication it will take
to get there, and to have that dream taken away would be heartbreaking."

"I am sure Joey Casselberry has worked very hard to get where he is and
dreams of playing in the major leagues. For this reason, I`m asking you to
please allow him back on the team so that he can continue to chase his
dream."

"He made one dumb mistake. I`m sure he would go back and change it if he
could. We all make mistakes and deserve to be forgiven. I hope you will
give him a second chance and allow him to play. Thanks, Mo`ne Davis."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

The university president replied to Mo`ne.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

"Dear Mo`ne, Thank you for your e-mail. Mo`ne, your request to consider
reinstating student Joey Casselberry to the baseball team demonstrates the
type of person you are and the empathy you are showing a fellow athlete."

"There are far too many instances of inappropriate, offensive and bullying
remarks on social media that erode our sensibilities and our broader sense
of community."

"It is my hope that this `teachable moment` illustrates what consequences
follow hasty and thoughtless behavior. Mr. Casselberry`s consequences will
be reviewed, as is common in disciplinary actions like this."

"We would be honored to have you visit Bloomsburg and throw out the first
pitch at an upcoming game this weekend, if your schedule permits.
Sincerely, David L. Soltz, President, --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

-- Bloomsburg University."

The great, the great in so many ways, Mo`ne Davis, will join me next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

Mo`ne Davis was only seven years old when she was asked to join a
basketball team called "The Monarchs." In her new book, --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

-- "Remember My Name," she says, "It turns out that my mom wasn`t exactly
thrilled about me playing what she saw as an aggressive sport. When I was
a baby, she thought that I would become a girlie girl, the kind who would
like dressing up and getting her hair braided and curled and playing with
dolls."

"But I wasn`t that girl. My mom says, whenever she would buy me a doll, I
would just look at her like --

(LAUGHTER)

-- she is crazy. I`d rather run around with a football or basketball or
try to keep up with my brother who was four years older than me."

Joining me now, Mo`ne Davis, who can keep up --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

-- with anyone. I love this book, "Mo`ne Davis, Remember My Name," your
new book that is out. And fascinating insights like that, including you
had no desire, no particular intention of your own to play baseball.

MO`NE DAVIS, LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL PITCHER: No, not at all.

O`DONNELL: How did it all happen.

DAVIS: I guess, since I had a strong arm, my coach was just like, "Just
try it," I mean, "to see if you`d like it." And, I guess, I liked it
because my arm was so strong and I knew all the fundamentals of the sport.

O`DONNELL: And the story I read in the book today is your coach, who was
the coach of a friend of yours, just happened to see you throwing a
football, right, not a baseball. He sees you throwing a football, then he
starts talking to you about your arm.


DAVIS: Yes. I mean, I don`t know. I guess I got it from my cousins and
my brother from throwing spirals all the time.

And I wanted to know how to throw a spiral and they taught me. And I just
was -- just playing with catch. And I just -- I wasn`t really intending on
trying to make a team or anything. I just was having fun.

O`DONNELL: And so, you then joined this team and there`s -- were you the
only girl on the baseball team.

DAVIS: Yes.

O`DONNELL: Yes. And your mother was with you when you went to join the
team, wasn`t she.

DAVIS: Yes.

O`DONNELL: And how did she feel about there`s no other girls on this team.

DAVIS: She was a little shaky because she thought all the boys are just
going to push me around, you know. You know you`re seven. I mean, seven-
year-old, you`re not really that aggressive.

(LAUGHTER)

O`DONNELL: Right.

DAVIS: But she`s a little scared. But, after a while, she just saw that
wasn`t too aggressive and she let me play. And she saw that I was having a
lot of fun, so she just let me keep going.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: There`s a great description in here of what became the most
famous moment of your life, --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

-- that`s playing in the Little League World Series, where you`ve got
35,000 people in the stands watching you, which is the first time you`ve
been in a crowd like that, right.

DAVIS: Yes.

O`DONNELL: There`s also, it turns out, we discovered eventually, 5 million
people around the world watching you on television. How did you deal with
that.

How did you deal with being up on the mound in that situation. How was
that different from when you were just playing a regular little league game
back home.

DAVIS: I mean, to me, it was all the same, because I wouldn`t think about
who was watching. And I wouldn`t think about all the, like, criticism that
people would be giving me.

I just thought that I had to go out there and have fun. I mean, if you
made it to Williamsport, that`s pretty much everyone`s dream.

And you just -- just wanted to go there and have fun. And that`s what we
did and we didn`t worry about who was watching.

O`DONNELL: Now, you know, when parents like me see teenagers like you just
behaving so admirably in so many ways, I just wonder about your mother.

I just wonder about, you know, what`s the parenting key. Can you give any
parents out there hints about --

(LAUGHTER)

-- how they bring up their kids.

DAVIS: To be patient and to just stay calm at all times. Because if you
end up like panicking or anything, your child will just start panicking
because they think you have it under control but then you have to realize
that you`re the parent in the situation, so you have to keep calm, so that
your child keeps calm.

O`DONNELL: So, how much do you credit your mother with your abilities to
stay calm in these situations and to handle the kind of controversy you
handled this week, for example.

DAVIS: I credit her a lot because she`s the one that gets up early in the
morning with me. She misses work sometimes just to come here with me but -
- I mean, she`s so -- she`s so very proud.

And I know she also enjoys being here and just traveling.

O`DONNELL: Quickly before we go. Tell us about these. Can we see them.
Where is the -- is there a camera for these shoes.

DAVIS: I designed a shoe with m43, which stands for -- or pronounced as
MADE, --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

-- and it stands for Make a Difference Everyday. And it helps girls who
are less fortunate than I am, and help them get an education and
opportunities that I have and, hopefully, help them succeed in life.

O`DONNELL: Mo`ne, another great admirable activity you`re up to.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

Thank you very much --

DAVIS: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: -- for joining us tonight. I really, really appreciate you
being here.

DAVIS: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: Thank you very much. Chris Hayes is up next.



END

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