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Date: April 7, 2015
Guest: Brad Woodhouse, Heidi Harris, Mark Simone, Robert Greenwald, Joe
Madison, John Nichols, Christopher Lehane, Jon Wood, Dave Zirin

ALEX WAGNER, "NOW WITH ALEX WAGNER" HOST: And indeed it has. Hours after
city officials took down the Snowden bust, another group of New York artist
replaced the statue with a hologram of Edward Snowden.

That`s all for now, the Ed Show is up next.

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show.
Live from New York.

Let`s get to work.


Tonight, the Rand illusion.

SEN. RAND PAUL, (R) KENTUCKY: That government should be restrained and
freedom should be maximized.

SCHULTZ: Plus, Iran deal under review.

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER, (D) NEW YORK: Congressman has the right to weight in
and I support it.

SCHULTZ: Later, climate change on the balance.

FRM. GOV. JEB BUSH, (R) FLORIDA: It`s easy to fall into this trap that`s
created by the left.

SCHULTZ: And, America`s Duke rebuke (ph).


Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.

"Freedom, we can do whatever we want to do. There`s no government

We knew this day was coming and now it`s official. Rand Paul is running
for President. The man who wrote the Tea Party wave in 2010 now thanks, he
could run the country.

Earlier today, the politically mixed senator from Kentucky kicked off his
campaign in good ol` Louisville.

Rand Paul rushed out right out at the gates with the red meat for the rowdy
libertarian crowd.


PAUL: I have a message, a message that is loud and clear and does not
mince words. We`ve come to take our country back.

The Washington machine that gobbles up our freedoms and invades every nook
and cranny of our lives must be stopped.


SCHULTZ: I`d tell you it doesn`t get any deeper than that. We`ve got to
take our country back. OK.

Paul`s next stop on the way to taking the country back is to go o talk to
Sean Hannity.

Ted Cruz kissed the ring now its Rand Paul`s turn. See he was on Hannity`s
radio show this afternoon so you know the crowd he`s talking to. And he`s
going to on Fox later tonight.

You notice one thing early on about these two guys that think they want to
run country and that`s Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, nobody is coming out on
their behalf and speaking for them. Where are the surrogates? Or maybe
they don`t think they don`t need them.

The reason that Rand Paul may not have many surrogates is because of talk
like this.


PAUL: If we nominate a candidate who is simply Democrat-lite, what`s the
point? Why bother? We need to boldly proclaim our vision for America. We
need to go boldly forth under the banner of liberty that clutches the
constitution in one hand and the bill of rights in the other.


SCHULTZ: I know I could give that speech. I know I could, if I just had
the chance. They never say anything. They speak in these lofty generic
terms. Tell me, where you want to take the country, or they can`t do that.

Rand Paul took a number of shots at the Republican establishment. He was
quick to blame both parties on the state of the American economy.


PAUL: Big government in debt doubled under a Republican administration.
And it`s now tripling under Barack Obama`s watch.

President Obama is on course to add more debt than all of the previous
presidents combined. We borrow a million dollars a minute. This vast
accumulation of debt threatens not just our economy but our security.


SCHULTZ: The threat, the fear, everything is going to fall apart. You
know who he appeals to? His best crowd is the doomsday preppers. They
don`t think America is going to be able to turn the corner ever.

Nothing in Rand Paul`s speech today played really to the greatness of this

Shockingly, the Senator addressed income inequality in his speech. His
solutions are pretty basic. Economic freedom zones or tax-free areas like
cities like Detroit. That ain`t going to work really good with Snider.

He wants to give tax breaks to companies that move manufacturing jobs back
to the United States? Somebody hold the phone on that one, that`s an old
Democratic idea that the Republican shutdown, the Democrats tried that. So
Rand Paul is with the Democrats on manufacturing jobs? That`s why I called
him politically mixed.

Unfortunately, Rand Paul does toe the party line on a number of issues that
only make the income gap even bigger.


PAUL: I will take it and make it my mission to heal the nation, reverse
the course of Obamacare and repeal every last bit of it.

When you allow people to be on unemployment insurance for 99 weeks, you`re
causing them to become part of this perpetual unemployed group in our
economy and it really -- while it seems good it actually does a disservice
to the people you`re trying to help.

All of the studies, virtually all of the studies show that if you increase
the minimum wage you get higher unemployment, particularly teenage
unemployment, particularly Black teenagers --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you believe in the minimum wage?

PAUL: Well, I think that, when you look at raising it, all of the studies
showed that if you raise it, you get more unemployment.


SCHULTZ: That simply is not true. But let`s go back to the beginning of
that sound bite.

I`m curious, Dr. Paul, do you want to see patients with or without
insurance? And do you have a habit in your practice back in the day of
seeing patients without insurance? I`m just curious. I`m just asking the

Paul can`t have it both ways, without Obamacare, the minimum wage,
unemployment insurance and the social safety net, the income gap in this
country, the wealth gap would only skyrocket, and on the flip side of all
of that Rand Paul is a libertarian. His positions on things like vaccines
turned heads in both parties.


PAUL: I`ve heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children
who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. I`m not
arguing vaccines are a bad idea I think they`re a good thing. But I think
the parent should have some input. The state doesn`t own your children.
Parents own the children and it is an issue of freedom.


SCHULTZ: That was just his best attempt to get Michele Bachmann onboard.

Now, his view on international intervention -- this is a dandy -- it really
puts him at odds with other Republicans. It`s not everyday you hear a
Republicans talk like this.


PAUL: Everyone needs to realize that negotiations are not inherently bad,
that trust but verify is required in any negotiation but that our goal
always should be and always is peace not war.


SCHULTZ: OK. OK, all right. I think he stole a little bit of President
Obama`s speech there. It sounds like Rand Paul is lining up with the
President of the United States. He can`t do that.

The whole peace over war stance has right wing hoax (ph) slamming Rand
Paul. The same guys who orchestrated the swift-boat attack on John Kerry
back in 2004 are now going to after the Senator from Kentucky. They`re the
foundation for a secure and prosperous America. They`re already out with
this absurd ad.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rand Paul Supports Obama`s negotiations with Iran. He
doesn`t understand the threat.

PAUL: You know, it`s ridiculous to think that they`re a threat to our
national security.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rand Paul is wrong and dangerous. Tell him to stop
siding with Obama because even the one Iranian bomb would be a disaster.


SCHULTZ: Now that ad must have been very impactful to the Senator because
Rand Paul changed his position on Iran during today`s announcement.


PAUL: We brought Iran to the table through sanctions that I voted for.

Now we must stay strong. That`s why I`ve cosponsored legislation that
ensures that any deal between the U.S. and Iran must be approved by

It concerns me that we may attempt, or the president may attempt to
unilaterally and prematurely halt sanctions.

I will oppose any deal that does not end Iran`s nuclear ambitions and have
strong verification measures.


SCHULTZ: Now, there`s something that needs to be pointed out about what is
happening with the Republicans and the Senate. And I`m going to take issue
with Chuck Schumer later on in this broadcast about what`s unfolding.

All they`re doing is setting the framework to oppose Obama across the
board. They didn`t think that it was going to get this far, this move with
Iran. And they certainly can`t let President Obama have this success. So,
will the real Rand Paul please stand up and know this isn`t a game show.

Paul`s record as a Senator -- let me remind all of you, is very clear. He
voted for the government shutdown which caused this country $25 billion.
He sponsored Personhood Amendments. He voted against helping the long-term
unemployed, people who were transitioning in a real tough economy. Rand
Paul voted against the minimum wage. He wants to repeal Obamacare.

In fact, Senator Rand Paul has voted against ending tax brakes for big oil.
They`re going to throw them out of the caucus for that alone. But don`t
let this guy fool you. He maybe say he`s a libertarian, I say he is
politically mixed. But he toes the party line on issues that really matter
to the middle class. And did I say that he is anti-union?

Rand Paul seems to spew really the anti-government message and stuff that
the Tea Partiers became famous for back in 2010. He seems to do that a
little bit better than the rest of the candidates and that might keep him
in a little bit longer than the rest. But I don`t think he`s going to get
the nomination.

Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Can Senator Rand Paul win the nomination?"

Now our new system, we want you to go to You can cast
your vote there and you could tell us how you think.

We`ll bring you the results later at the end of the show.

For more let me bring in Brad Woodhouse, President of American Bridge 21st
Century, Heidi Harris, conservative Talk Show Host with us tonight, and
also Mark Simone, conservative Talk Show Host. Great to have all of you
with us tonight.

Mark, you first, is it going to be Rand Paul or is it going to be Ted Cruz?


SCHULTZ: Who is it?

SIMONE: It won`t either. Ted Cruz helps Rand Paul because Rand Paul looks
mainstream compared to Ted Cruz.

The problem is you get the big GOP guys. The Karl Roves got their guy, Jeb
Bush and the real Republicans out there want to get their own guy. But
they always have seven candidates who split the vote and then the
mainstream guy gets it.

I think you`ll see that happen this time. The problem -- a lot of young
freshman Senator Republican Rubio will announce on Monday, Rand Paul and

The problem is senators, they`re all talk; they don`t have solutions,
they`re not former governors, they can`t point to past successes.

So, they`re great at laying out the problem but I don`t think they have
concrete solutions.

SCHULTZ: What do you think of that, Heidi? Did you hear a solution today?
Will you get a solution from Rand Paul?

HEIDI HARRIS, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I thought he have a great speech. I
thought he made a lot of really good points.

Here`s the difference though, Rand Paul appeals to people who were
independent and you`re completing about the fact that he picks up ideas
from both side of the aisle. Isn`t that a great thing? Do we want
somebody who only listens to one side of the aisle and is such a sycophant
or such an ideologue that they don`t pay attention to the other side?

I prefer somebody who`s opened to other ideas. I thought his speech was
great and was guarantee to appeal to independents and some Democrats.
That`s what we need because we on the right are sick of the same people
being served up again and again. We don`t want Jeb Bush. I think Rand
Paul might be a great alternative.

SCHULTZ: I`m not quite sure what he`s embraced from liberals. School me
up on that one.

HARRIS: Well, you said that he was talking about stealing some of the
points from Democrats, about some of the things. For example, you were
lamenting when he was saying that we want peace. We Republicans want peace

SCHULTZ: I don`t believe that.

HARRIS: I don`t want to ever go -- I don`t ever let go to war again.

SCHULTZ: I don`t believe that.

HARRIS: Nobody wants to go to war, Ed except with you.

SCHULTZ: I`m a hard sell on that one, Heidi. I don`t believe that at all.

HARRIS: No. It`s not true.

SCHULTZ: I believe this whole Senate vote that Corker wants to take in the
Foreign Relations Committee is all a framework to deep seeks (ph) this
whole thing if they feel like they can get enough Democrats who will
hoodwink along with it.

I just don`t see much difference between Rand Paul or Ted Cruz so far.
And, I think -- they`re both radical and I think it is going to be hard to
get independent voters to go their way.

Brad, your breakdown on it?

exactly right. I mean you gave the list. I mean, you know, he`s against
of Obamacare. He`s against to minimum wage. He was against Obama. He`s
against Women Act.

He said that we shouldn`t have a civil, you know, a Civil Rights Act. I
mean, you go down the list. He really is a typical right-wing Tea Party
and I guess, Republican in the mode of Ted Cruz.

Look, he`s either crazy or he`s crazy like a fox. Maybe what he did was he
got into this race or got attention by being a libertarian, but now he
knows he`s got to compete in places where there are conservative
Republicans and he`s moving in that direction.

SCHULTZ: Now, Heidi says Republicans want peace. I don`t believe that
because, Brad, I got a clip of your brother on Fox News talking about Rand
Paul. Listen to this.


DALLAS WOODHOUSE, CAROLINA RISING: He`s sort of world view may not be
fitting the world as a lot of people see it right now. He`s got to prove -
- in my opinion -- Rand Paul`s got to prove that he will nuke a Muslim
country if we have to. I`m not saying we should. But I`m saying we will
do that if it takes saving America and that there`s no doubt that he will
do what it takes to protect America.


SCHULTZ: Well, I got to give you a response to that. What I --

WOODHOUSE: I`m embarrassed to admit that that`s my brother saying
something like that. And I`m -- but look, I do believe that there is a
part of the Republican Party that very much would like just to take
military action against Iran and they believe that maybe to be simple --

SCHULTZ: Mark, what about that?

WOODHOUSE: You know?

SIMONE: Well, again, these are senators, these guys are just talking.
There`s never any practical reality that they`re not former governor.

I`m really sorry we`re in this age now where we don`t look for somebody
with management experience or former governor who`s run things and has had
success before. And, you know, somebody who`s negotiated before in
government. That`s where you wanted to table for us.

SCHULTZ: So, you`re anti-senator. You don`t think Cruz or Paul are the
right way -- you`d rather go with the governor?

SIMONE: Yeah, absolutely. We always -- look at our two best presidents,
Reagan, Clinton, guys who have real experience with story to tell from this

SCHULTZ: Heidi, who would you go with right now?

HARRIS: Right -- you mean as far as people have already announced?

SCHULTZ: Well, no. You know, who`s going to announce --

HARRIS: Well, you know --

SCHULTZ: I mean are you this anti-senator guy person too? What do you --

HARRIS: You got to understand. I`m a Rick Santorum conservative, OK? But

SCHULTZ: We got a lot of material after last weekend.

HARRIS: Well, please. You don`t want to see my hate mail after last week
on your show. You don`t even want to know. But the thing is I`m a Rick
Santorum conservative.

That`s the kind of social conservative I am but I also understand that most
of America is not. So, when you`re talking about the people who are
already there, I think, Rand Paul has great appeal.

I was recently at a restaurant in Vegas where he appeared. And just kind
of walking around the restaurant, talking to people, not making an issue of
who he was, people like him, they related to him. He seems a lot more
palatable, I think to independents.

So, I think that`s the point. People are not enamored to Jeb Bush.
They`re tired like I said before. They`re tired to the same thing again
and again. That`s not what`s going to get a Republican in the White House
in 2016.

SIMONE: Yeah. But I disagree on the relatable. I think Cruz or Rand
Paul, great on issues but not a lot of personality there, not of work, not
a lot of charm.

SCHULTZ: Brad, can any of these guys beat Hillary or anybody else who
might announce on the left?

WOODHOUSE: Well, I`ll tell what, if you look at the polls right now, it
sure looks like a tough climb for Republicans. I mean, they are -- they`re
down three to nine points. PPP did a national poll.

They`re down nationally. You know, she`s really consolidated or her sport
in the Democratic Party but she`s also ahead nationally. But it`s going to
be a competitive race. It always is.

There`s going to be, you know, if you look at the money that`s being raised
by the likes of Jeb Bush --

SCHULTZ: You know --

WOODHOUSE: -- Republicans are going to have the money to prosecute a

SCHULTZ: What is this going to talk to Hannity? Whatever happened to
Glenn Beck? I thought Glenn Beck was a big Tea Party. I thought for sure
that Rand Paul would be over there talking to Glenn Beck. I`ll let them
fight their wars over on the right.

I give you one good comment that I`m curious about Rand Paul.
Manufacturing jobs, what kind of incentives does he want to give companies
to bring those jobs back to America because this president`s on the verge
are getting fast track and also signed it in one of the worst trade deals
this country`s ever had.

So, I`m anxious to hear what Rand Paul has to say but if he just going to
go talk to the Hannity crowd, does that mean he just wants to be president
for those people and not for the rest of us over here on the left?

HARRIS: Come on, it`s only first day. Give him a week.

SCHULTZ: Rand has got to show up somewhere other than just over the right
and --

HARRIS: Give him a week, Ed. He just announced today. Give him a week.
He`ll get to your show. I promise.

SCHULTZ: All right. Brad Woodhouse, Heidi Harris, Mark Simone, good to
have you with us tonight. Thanks so much.

SIMONE: Thank you.

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Coming up, Chuck Schumer sides with the right-wing on Iran. How else do we
interpret this?

Plus, bringing the heat to the campaign trail, climate change hits the 2016
race in a new indifferent ways.

Stay with us. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: 76 percent of your voting, think that Rand Paul will not get the
nomination. Remember to go to, cast your vote on
tonight`s question.

Here`s a look at how you`re voting so far, now its 77 percent say, "No,
he`s not going to get it."

Stay with us. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. This story is causing is quite a
stir amongst Democrats across the country. New York Senator Chuck Schumer
maybe next in line to become the Senate`s top Democrat but he`s breaking
with the White House on Iran.

Schumer has come out strongly endorsing legislation introduce by Republican
Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee and opposed by President Obama. Corker`s
Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act would require Congress to review and
approve any nuclear deal struck with Iran.

Schumer cosponsor the bill saying that, he strongly believes Congress
should have the right to disapprove any agreement. The Obama
administration has asked Congress to wait until after the June 30th
deadline for a final agreement before voting on the legislation`s saying
that it could interfere with the negotiations. Corker he said he plans to
hold a vote in the Foreign Relations Committee on April 14th. The stakes
in this deal are high and well-documented in the latest trailer from "Brave
New Films".


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The alternative to negotiations with Iran is war.

A new war with Iran would destabilize the entire region. The war in Iraq
and Afghanistan costs us $4 trillion. More than 6,800 of our soldiers were
killed and over 52,000 were wounded. Don`t let them fool us again.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight Robert Greenwald, Director of Brave New Films
and also Sirius XM radio talk show host Joe Madison, gentlemen great to
have you with us tonight.


SCHULTZ: Two issues here, Mr. Greenwald first the product that you put
together is that a -- maybe an overstatement or a bridge too far, is that
really what you think it will evolve to if we don`t get a deal with Iran in
the short term?

GREENWALD: I think that it`s very clear we have our best chance for peace
Ed, right now with diplomacy. And the fact that so many are -- who have
convince us that we should go to war with Iraq are now saying, "Yeah, we
should -- we need to go to war with Iran or we can trust diplomacy," you
know, those who don`t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. And our
concern at Brave New Films and the reason we did the video is to remind
people how wrong those experts have been and not to listen to them.

SCHULTZ: Joe Madison what is Senator Schumer`s motivation for breaking
with the President on this? Why not give negotiations the full-throated
effort here and here -- as I see it Senator Schumer really giving the
Republicans ammunition to set the table and the foundation to oppose any
deal that the President might be able to achieve which is simply historic,
how do you read this?

JOE MADISON, SIRIUS XM RADIO HOST: Well especially when you don`t even
know what is in the deal. Remember this is a framework with they have
until June 30th to put the deal together. I think Schumer quite honestly
might be -- as we used to say in the mid-west maybe feeling its oats a
little bit, trying to establish himself as an independent leader as a
member of congress. But you are 100 percent right Ed, he`s providing cover
for the Republicans who aren`t doing this for any legitimate reason of
event to quite honestly say the President is not capable of negotiation.

SCHULTZ: But there`s going to be plenty of time for Schumer and any of the
Democrat to jump in and say, "Hey wait a minute don`t do this", why help
the Republicans who have not been President Obama`s ally on anything to --
I mean I have to question where is his loyalty, is it to Benjamin Netanyahu
or is it the president of United States? It`s a rather odd move as I see

MADISON: Not only should it be that the president of the United States but
it should be to the United States of America. The President clearly is
doing what he thinks is in the best interest of this country, even
Netanyahu admitted that in a statement just a couple a days ago.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Well, so, I think it`s also gives Democrats the signal,
it`s OK to oppose the President, no the President needs his party right
now. This is a historic opportunity, no one thought -- I think that --
Robert Greenwald, I think the Republicans never thought it would get this
close, and now that it`s there they are scrambling big time.

And I think you work is very profound and to the point that it could evolve
to that, because rhetoric gets carried away and people start believe in
this stuff. How much of a sales -- how much of a push do think the
President has to make on this at this point with this backdrop?

GREENWALD: Well I think he`s going to have to make a significant push.
And let`s all think about this for a minute. The military-industrial-
Congressional complex is so strong around war issues that the President of
the United States is the underdog when he`s trying to make a deal that
would provide a safer Iran, an Iran without nuclear weapons. That`s quite
an extraordinary thought Ed, and again we need to take a pause, think of
the number of lives through over 300,000 people killed them those wars.


GREENWALD: How many families would give anything to have that there --
those people back, and here we are President and Kerry doing everything to
make a deal and the neocons and the war hawks never say never say we made a
mistake, never say we`re sorry but they`re out there loudly -- and cheering
loudly again.

SCHULTZ: The other thing as far as the legislation is concerned. And Joe,
correct me if I`m wrong but I don`t recall any track record that`s been
laid out by Bob Corker who`s the Chairman of the Foreign Relations
Committee that he`s ever been any real ally or supporter with President
Obama on anything.


SCHULTZ: And so this -- I mean, you know, "War or peace, what do you

MADISON: And I -- and what really also, Bob is -- I mean let`s go back to
his -- both are in the wrong side of the public. Look, when every poll
you`ve taken, every poll that I`ve taken, every poll that we`ve seen has
said that the American people are with the president of the United States
on this --


MADISON: -- and so here we go again, and I think you hear the same thing
that I hear Ed, sometimes the worst enemy that the President has is the
people in his own party and darn it, it`s about time that they simply stand
with this President because the reality is that, if they want Hillary
Clinton to be president of the United States, she has already said, this is
a good deal. So now Schumer is not only against Obama but he is against
probably the future nominee for his party.

SCHULTZ: And let me point out in a very fair manner back in 2007 when
Barack Obama said that this is what he wanted to accomplish with the
Iranians Hillary Clinton said he was naive. I mean it`s amazing what you
can achieve when you`re at a negotiating table and I do not think that John
Kerry or Barack Obama would undersell this country security just to get a
deal. And I think that this whole thing is about keeping President Obama
from having a big foreign policy success and they certainly don`t want to
let that happen. I mean Lindsey Graham is out there this weekend saying,
"Well anybody do a better deal than Obama", anybody, it`s anybody but Obama
is where they are right now.

Robert Greenwald, Joe Madison great to have both of you with us tonight I
appreciate your time.


SCHULTZ: Next up, an update on the mayor`s runoff in Chicago, is Rahm
Emanuel going to win?

Plus, a new plan to turn up the heat on climate change deniers, interesting
(inaudible) is in the game. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: And we are back.

The mayor`s race in Chicago is the focal point of Chicago residents today.
They`re going to the polls.

The fight between incumbent Mayor Rahm Emanuel and challenger Jesus "Chuy"
Garcia went to a runoff in February after Emanuel failed to get 50 percent
of the vote.

Chicago pollsters Ogden & Fry show Emanuel with an 18-point lead. 15
percent of residents were still undecided just days before the election,
over 140,000 voters cast their ballots during the early voting period
suggesting a higher turnout for the election, big money, certainly a big
part of this attempt by Rahm Emanuel to get reelected in his fight to stay
the Mayor of Chicago.

Emanuel has raised over $20 million throughout the campaign. Chuy Garcia
has only been able to raise $5 million since the runoff started. Polls
close at 7:00 P.M. Central Time this evening.

For more on this, let`s turn to John Nichols, Washington Correspondent of
the Nation Magazine.

John this has been a real heated race about (ph) the best challenges money
can buy as far Chuy Garcia is concerned. What do you make of these early
poll numbers? Is this going to be a walk for Rahm Emanuel?

JOHN NICHOLS, THE NATION MAGAZINE: I don`t that that`s for sure. We`ll
obviously have some answers this evening. But the high-level of early
voting as well as the intensity in the city, I think suggest this could be
a closer race and I`ve been down in Chicago, in a number of the
neighborhood, I was down with Chuy Garcia on the southeast side a few days
ago, and the fact is, there are massive crowds coming out for rallies.
There are people knocking on the doors.

Some of the unions are out very, very string for Chuy Garcia especially the
service employees and the Chicago Teachers Union. That`s going to -- I
think provide some counterbalance to Rahm Emanuel`s very big money and also
frankly, the Mayor`s name recognition and power of incumbency.

SCHULTZ: Is this the north side versus the south side? The way this
ballot is going to break down.

NICHOLS: It`s a lot more complex than that.


NICHOLS: It`s more complex than that. I`ve been at events in Chicago
where I`ve seen remarkable mix of people where you see crossing lines of
ethnicity and race. And I do think that some of the old easy talked about
Chicago politics is different. But I do think you`re going to have ethnic
divisions and racial divisions and people are going to look at which
communities turned out and in what numbers?


NICHOLS: Clearly, there`s been a very big effort by Chuy Garcia`s campaign
to reach out to the Latino community and to reach out to the African-
American community and White liberals but it`s a tough -- it`s tough to
pull all these coalitions together.

We`ll know in a few hours whether they`ve done something.

SCHULTZ: John Nichols reporting from Chicago tonight. Thanks so John, I
appreciate it.

Stick around. Rapid Response Panel is next. We`ll be right back.

Market Wrap.

Stocks end with modest losses a day before the start of earning season.
The Dow triple digit gain evaporates leaving the industrials down 5. The
S&P falls 4. The NASDAQ finishes by -- down by 7 points.

FedEx share grows nearly 3 percent today. It`s buying Europe`s TNT Express
for $4.8 billion, pending approval from regulators.

And job opening rose to 5.1 million in February, a 14-year high. That was
slightly above expectations.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: And we are back. Climate change is a threat to public health.
President Obama announced the new initiative to minimize the health effects
from Global warming today.

Climate denial has become a pair of dirty words. The American Legislative
Exchange Counsel, ALEC is ready to pursue legal action over the language.

The conservative group pushes corporate interest across the country
recently ALEC is focused on distributing letters from their lawyers. ALEC
wants to remove all materials suggesting the group doesn`t believe in
global warming. The shift has everything do with money and nothing to do
with science.

More corporations have abandoned denial and conservatives are forced to do
the same.

The B.P. (ph), Facebook and Yahoo all cut ties with ALEC. The executive
chairman of Google said, ALEC was "just literally lying" about climate
change and left the group back in September. Republicans are following the
money. Conservative politicians won`t enact climate saving policies but
they`re trying to opt out of the discussion.


REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH) HOUSE SPEAKER: I`m not qualified to debate the
science over climate change.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If climate change is a problem and do you believe it
is or not? Do you believe --


FRM. GOV. RICK PERRY, (R) TEXAS: You know I`m not a scientist. I`m not a


SCHULTZ: Great line. They`re not a scientist. What information.

More Republicans don`t want to be labeled backward and anti-science. One
environmentalist won`t let them off so easy. Tom Steyer, the climate
conscious billionaire, put together the NextGen Climate Act. He wants
deniers on the hot seat of the 2016 election.

The tide is changing on how business and politicians address the issue of
climate change. The next Presidential election may push the issue to the
forefront, we think.

Joining me tonight on a Rapid Response panel, Christopher Lehane, he is the
Chair Strategist with NextGen Climate, and also with us tonight Jon Wood,
President of CoalBlue Project. Gentlemen, good to have you with us.

I want to go first to this sound bite, just a little while ago earlier this
afternoon. Jeb Bush was at a town hall meeting in Denver, Colorado and the
focus was on energy. He had this to say about Keystone.


BUSH: I forgot to mention, I`m totally for the Keystone. I think our
strategy that people talked about American energy security. I think the
proper way to look at this is North American energy security.


SCHULTZ: And of course Jeb Bush is taking the position on climate change
that there is no proof that man has caused climate change, although 97
percent of scientists disagree with him.

Christopher, what about this? Mr. Lehane, this is the mindset you`re up

comment is just one more signifier that the Koch Republican Party is -- has
become really our wholly-owned subsidiary of big oil and the Koch brothers.

I don`t think it`s that surprising that given where the Republicans get
their money, you know, almost $1 billion is going to be on the table from
the Koch brothers this year. That they`re going to continue that double
down, you know, on their oil position, continue to say that they won`t
respect or listen to the opinions of -- the science of 97 percent of the
world`s scientists.

And I thought it was pretty interesting that Governor Bush talked about
North American security because the reality is, with the Keystone Pipeline
that`s going to create money, money not for people here in the U.S. but for
a multinational corporation that`s based in Canada. It`s going to send the
oil actually overseas.

So, not only it add to the pollution in the air -- and I think even by the
Canadian oil companies` own estimation, it`s going to create a measly 22-23


LEHANE: And that what really tells you. Under -- at the end of the day
this is not a good deal for the United States but I -- the really
interesting thing about the Jeb position on this is, you know, his whole
rationale for running is that, he`s electable. One-third of the electorate
in 2016 are going to be young people. This is a signifier issue for young

Republicans lost young people 60 to 37 in 2012, how do they think they`re
actually going to do better with young people taking this position with a
bigger chuck of the electorate being young people?

SCHULTZ: So, what is NextGen Climate? What is the mission here? To get
these young people to understand whose not onboard with the mission and
understanding that deniers are standing in the way of progress?

LEHANE: Yes, great question. I mean at the other day, we`ve been -- two-
thirds of the country believes that climate is real and happening, that we
need to do something about it, including half of the Republicans.

You know, we believe that this is an issue that effectively disqualifies
Republicans who claim that they don`t believe in science and who deny that
science from actually holding the office of the presidency.

And so with the hot seat, we`ll do is two things. A, it will put a
spotlight on the fact that these folks are denying it, today we have
polygraph lie detector test set up at the Rand Paul events challenge and if
they lie detector (ph) on his position on this issue. I`ll be shocked like
as an in Casablanca, if he shows up and takes it but nonetheless we have it
out there.

But then, secondly really do some -- what we call disruptive politics.
Forest folks to actually have to engage and talk about this --


LEHANE: -- it`s not merely --

SCHULTZ: It`s a --

LEHANE: -- going to be shining a spotlight but putting them under
pressure to actually explain themselves.

SCHULTZ: It`s a hard position. And Mr. Wood, you got to tell Jeb, how do
you sell coal to a younger generation?

JON WOOD, PRESIDENT COALBLUE PROJECT: Well, it`s actually not that tough.
And as you know, we`re focused on working with Democrats across the country
and I`m pleased to say that we find Democrats across the spectrum, from
very conservative Democrats in coal country in Appalachia to very liberal
Democrats, in the City of Chicago for example, who are ready to talk about
reasonable, workable solutions.

We at CoalBlue are ready to move past the question of, if we should act and
start focusing on the really hard choices of how we act. That we need to
act in a responsible manner that doesn`t unduly burden the American public,
doesn`t threaten the reliability of our electric grid, doesn`t raise energy
cost at home but does it in a way through technology that moves us forward
towards a real solution.

SCHULTZ: So, you are suggesting that your --

WOOD: And I think the way we look at, we`re not --

SCHULTZ: Is your group in favor of coal reduction?

WOOD: We are both coal advocates and climate advocates because the simple
fact is there is no solution to the climate challenge that does not include
low carbon coal.

What we like to say is that the coal -- excuse me -- the climate skeptics
are criticized for having their heads in the sand.

While the climate dreamers who we think we can wish away coal as well as
the natural gas and every other fossil fuel have their heads on the clouds.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Lehane, I want you to respond to that?

WOOD: And neither both position is productive.

LEHANE: Sure. So, first of all, Mr. Wood is a coal lobbyist, let`s get
that out there.

Second of all, he comes out of a private sector corporation that gave 90
percent of its money to Republicans including the Karl Rove Crossroads

So I think it`s a little bit disingenuous to suggest that there`s an
interest in talking to Democrats. Finally, as someone who actually does
represent the interest of big coal, an industry that has contributing to
all sorts of harms to our country, having him lecture and talk about
climate change a little bit like --

SCHULTZ: All right, Jon.

LEHANE: -- health care from Fat Albert. I mean, it just has no

SCHULTZ: I`ll give response, Mr. Wood.

WOOD: And let me correct the facts here. One your information, Mr. Lehane
is just two years old. So --

LEHANE: So, were you now -- have you been lobbyist for coal?

WOOD: Not for the last two years.

LEHANE: It`s simple, yes or no. Were you?

WOOD: Yes, I was. Yes, I worked for the coal company but I also --

LEHANE: The company that you work for --

WOOD: May I talk?

LEHANE: -- contributor to Republican candidates, yes or no?

SCHULTZ: Go ahead, Mr. Wood.

LEHANE: Simple question, Mr. Wood.


WOOD: Can I talk?

SCHULTZ: Chris, let him answer the question. Go ahead, Mr. Wood.

LEHANE: Simple answer.

WOOD: But let me also say, Mr. Lehane, I spent 13 years working for one
the greatest Democrats in American History, Robert C. Byrd in West Virginia
and I`m a proud Democrat.

And our organization is proud Democrats who are, again, are here to be
constructive. We`re not here to be disruptive.

SCHULTZ: All right.

WOOD: We want to find constructive solutions. And I can tell you for
example our Chairman Zack Space, a Congressman from Ohio. He is a former
congressman in large part because he voted for the Waxman-Markey "cap and
trade" bill.

We are not climate deniers and even the slightest sense of the world.

SCHULTZ: All right, gentlemen.

WOOD: But let me say this --

SCHULTZ: We`ll have you back and we`ll continue this discussion.

WOOD: Those who --

SCHULTZ: Christopher Lehane and also Mr. Jon Wood, I appreciate your time

LEHANE: Thanks having me.

SCHULTZ: We`re going to keep an eye on NextGen. It`s certainly needed.
No doubt.

Coming up, why so many Americans just -- I don`t like the word hate but why
don`t they like Duke? We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: OK. You can still vote. Here is where we stand on the Bing
Pulse poll. Go to, cast your votes.

70 -- 24 percent of the people think that Rand Paul can win the nomination.
You can still vote. We`ll be right back on the Ed Show.

Look at that. It`s up to 25. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: And in tonight`s two minute drill, one presenter. Mitt Romney
made his millions picking corporate winners and losers. It turns out his
pretty good at picking basketball winner and losers too. Romney`s NCAA
Bracket landed him in the top one percent on ESPN`s website. He correctly
picked all the final four teams and had Duke taking home the title over
Wisconsin. So how much did Mitt Romney win in his bracket pool?


FRM. GOV. MITT ROMNEY, (R) MASSACHUSETTS: Rick I`ll tell you what,
$10,000, $10,000 bet?


SCHULTZ: Turns out he was a betting man after all.

Stick around we`ve got more coming up on the Ed Show we`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, we live in a country where the New England
Patriots have won their 4th straight Super Bowl on the Duke Blue Devils
they claim their 5th NCAA Men`s Basketball crown last night. It`s Coach
Mike Krzyzewski`s 4th.


MIKE KRZYZEWSKI, COACH, DUKE BLUE DEVILS: I love them, I trust them, they
trust one another. It`s been my best group as far as being together that I
have coach in 40 years.


SCHULTZ: It safe to say many Americans are not as happy as Coach K and the
Cameroon crazies, there`s just kind of feeling out there that nobody likes
the Duke, they`re the team of the one presenters. Duke is a private
college surrounded by public states schools like the University of North
Carolina at Chapel Hill. And this dislike runs deep and it has for many

Earlier this year ESPN`s 30 for 30 released the documentary, "I Hate
Christian Laettner." During this tournament things got heated on Twitter
between Wisconsin and Laettner himself. Before the game with Wisconsin,
Wisconsin tweeted, "We still hate Christian Laettner", Laettner responded
after the game with a T-shirt image saying, "I can print these in red."

After last night`s win it seems like the campaign that to dislike Duke is
stronger than ever.

Joining me tonight Dave Zirin who is a Sports Editor of "The Nation", also
Michael Eric Dyson MSNBC political analyst and Georgetown University
Professor who used to teach at the University of North Carolina. What was
it like? Did you sense it back then Michael?

what, Carolina blue, that was the sky that was my blood that was my love so
there was a hatred for the blue devils to be sure. But even before them,
look I from Detroit, Michigan and the Fab Five were our team. So when the
Fab Five wound up against Christian Laettner and, you know, seen as the
preppy kind of guys versus the kind of inner city guys, there we`re
stereotypes on both sides.

I was in that, "I Hate Christian Laettner" documentary and I talked about
the fact that there was certain kind of representation of whiteness that
was on stake there so it was so -- wasn`t simply a team against another
team, it was conceptions of blackness against conceptions against of
whiteness and they were writ large in the culture and it was bigger than
Duke basketball --


DYSON: -- or North Carolina basketball --

SCHULTZ: Dave, what about this? Has Duke just won too much to the point
were people can take it?

DAVE ZIRIN, SPORT EDITOR, THE NATION: Yeah, I mean this is as old as
organized sports in the United States, whether you`re talking about the
Yankees, the Cowboys or Duke. And I would argue that it`s a morality play
for an argument about the United States of America, like if you`re a
Yankees person or a Duke person, that`s the American exceptionalism (ph)
argument, "We`re awesome and why don`t you just bow down and tell us how
awesome we are? What`s wrong with you not seeing how awesome we are?"

But on the other side are people saying, "No wait a minute, the fact that
you lour (ph) your awesomeness over us and aren`t accounting for the
incredible privilege that you have and all the advantages that you have is
something that can actually makes you success sour to the rest of us.

SCHULTZ: Why not --

ZIRIN: To (inaudible) and that`s I think --

SCHULTZ: What about --

ZIRIN: -- they were the hatred comes from.

SCHULTZ: Dr. Dyson what about Kentucky? They also have 9 (inaudible) all
Americans, no player average more than 25 minutes a game. Not a single
player complain about the lack of touches or stats or minutes. So why
aren`t they getting attention?

DYSON: Well that`s a great point but they`re seen as, what did Wisconsin`s
Coach Bon Ryan called them? The rentals, he was talking about Duke but he
might as well been talking about Kentucky as well because they were one
done now in the contemporary sports arena. But the problem is of course
that there`s a bigger issue of perception, white kids versus black kids.

Although, you know, historically Duke has been identified with the upper
crest Christian Laettner himself was not a rich white kid. There have been
many students at Duke who contradict that stereotype, my good friend James
Peterson, your contributor over here --


DYSON: -- went to Duke so he rides a dice for Duke as well.

SCHULTZ: Well kids of color --

DYSON: But I think it`s the race --

SCHULTZ: -- did job last for Duke. What about that Dave?

ZIRIN: Well, I`ll tell you. The difference though is also that John
Calipari never acts like his poo does not stink, he`s like, "Look, it`s a
dirty business and I`m the dirtiest man in the dirtiest business, take me
or leave me." While Mike Krzyzewski acts like, he`s stink (ph) K, he
doesn`t eat -- says "These players shouldn`t be paid, they`re student


ZIRIN: Meanwhile he makes $10 million a year. So I think --

DYSON: He`s making funny jokes.

ZIRIN: -- that`s the other thing. Yeah and that`s the other thing that
bothers people is that Coach K acts like he`s above what is a very dirty


SCHULTZ: He makes political comments every now and then. Two disturbed us
over here on the left, I don`t think he`s a big Obama fan Michael.

DYSON: No he said Obama should like stop talking and stop doing press
conferences and go back to doing his job. But I think that -- look, I have
always had a kind of inanity (ph) for Mike Krzyzewski since he denied Allen
Iverson of a legitimate spot on the olympic team, but beyond that there`s
no question that he`s had this kind of royalist sensibility that spreaded
itself though his own career but I go to tell you --


DYSON: -- I got to come on national T.V and confess last night I was a
Duke fan because I did not want Wisconsin to win.

SCHULTZ: What? You didn`t want the Badgers to win? Come on now.

DYSON: Because they beat Kentucky, they beat Kentucky and I was like Duke
you beat Kentucky --


SCHULTZ: Quickly, these freshmen kids have played for Duke last night, it
was like they`re out in the playground, they felt no pressure, they didn`t
even know what atmosphere they were in, and they just came shooting.


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