The Ed Show for Thursday, April 9th, 2015
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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: April 9, 2015
Guest: Larry Cohen, Bernie Sanders, Paul Henderson, Ana Rivas Logan, Ruth
Conniff, Chris Larson, John Garamendi
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americas and welcome to the Ed Show,
live from New York.
Let`s get to work.
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Tonight, Hillary`s issues with the issues.
SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN, (D) MASSACHUSSETTS: Everyone who`s running for
president should be talking about what they plan to do to strengthen and
rebuild America`s middle class.
SCHULTZ: Plus, new details in the South Carolina police involve shooting.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do we want?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Justice.
FEIDIN SANTANA, SHOOTING WITNESS: I took my phone and I was started
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do we want?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah.
SCHULTZ: Later, a conservative drought dilemma.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Water is so precious.
SCHULTZ: And Wisconsin`s anti-climate change crusade.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s the climate change threat we are (ph).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Good to have with you us tonight folks, thanks for watching.
Hillary Clinton`s reputation or position as the 2016 frontrunner might be
fading a little bit. A new Quinnipiac Poll out today in key swing states
doesn`t look real good for Hillary Clinton. For instance and Iowa, Rand
Paul has polled ahead of Hillary Clinton by one point. In Virginia she`s
in pretty good shape, her lead has been cut and it slipped to four points
over Rand Paul. In Colorado not a good story, Rand Paul has a three point
lead on Hillary Clinton.
If Clinton wants to fix these numbers early on, she needs to start talking
about the issues when it comes to middle class Americans and what they care
about. Hillary Clinton I think has deliberately remained silence,
squeezing out potential of the competition because of the money. But at
this point we really don`t know where Hillary Clinton stands on the
Keystone XL Pipeline, we don`t know where she stands on the Trans-Pacific
Partnership, many people think that Hillary Clinton is too friendly with
Wall Street. Would she really go after Glass-Steagall and implement it
We don`t know if she would break up the big banks, we don`t know if she
wants to reinstate Glass-Steagall as I said, and we don`t know where she
stands on corporations sticking profits offshore so they don`t have to pay
This is what Americans are talking, now Clinton also needs to speak out
directly about Iran. News today the Iranians said that of all the
sanctions were not lifted at the same time there wouldn`t going to be any
deal, hello. Nothing from Hillary Clinton on today`s developments, that`s
kind of par for the course. Being silent on the issues is already starting
to hurt Clinton. Earlier today Senator Elizabeth Warren who seems to be
the benchmark as of late of liberals when it comes to judging candidates,
she didn`t sound too excited about a Clinton run for the White House.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hillary Clinton could announce any day now that she
is going to seek the presidential nomination and for and presidency in
2016. Do you think she`s the future of the Democratic Party?
WARREN: Well, I did we have to see -- first of all if she declares and
what she say she wants to run on.
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SCHULTZ: What she wants to run on. That`s right, if she declares -- oh I
think she`s going to declare. She`s hiring people all over the country and
Senator Warren is starting -- I guess the vetting process. She`s the first
one in the Senate to come out and say, "Well we really don`t know where
Hilary stands on a number for issues." At this point we have no idea where
Clinton is on a number of issues and what she`s going to run on. Elizabeth
Warren expressed concerns about Hillary`s position on trade.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Name me one thing that you would like to see Hillary
Clinton do and say and commit to that she has not committed to?
WARREN: Well, I`d like to see her address all of these issues. You know,
we have a big debate going on right now on trade within the Democratic
Party. I have real concerns about something called the investors-state
dispute resolution that basically would permit multinational companies to
sue other countries when they try to put regulations in place to protect
their own workers, to protect their own citizens. I think this is a really
dangerous provision in a trade deal.
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SCHULTZ: Thank you, it is very dangerous. You know, not to put too much
pressure on Hillary or come off as anti-Hillary at all, but the issues
today are far different from what they were in 2008 in 2007. And I think
it`s time for Hillary Clinton, at least when she does announce -- and I
guess it`s going to be pretty soon -- that she sets the record straight
right away. Because Democrats deserve to know exactly where she stands on
the key issues of contemporary time, she needs to jump out the woodwork and
start talking about issues like trade.
Now Medicare, Medicaid, social security, minimum wage, aren`t those all
easy lifts for any Democratic candidate? Eventually Clinton is going to
have to answer the tough questions about the ones that she`s been so coy
about. Now its obvious Clinton feels no pressure to step out and talk
about these things because she`s on oppose, she doesn`t have to. And until
she feels the pressure to say something she probably won`t.
So, it`s a kind of run out the clock scenario. This is a late announcement
whenever it`s going to be but Elizabeth Warren is the person that people
are listening to, and if she has questions on trade and all of the issues
that I had mentioned previously that means that there could be a split in
the Democratic camp.
Now, liberal groups are pressuring Hillary to come out and they`re saying,
well we want you to sound like Elizabeth Warren. Can we at least find out
where Hillary stands on the Keystone XL Pipeline because that will take us
into a discussion about the environment?
Get your cellphones out and we`ll ask the question in just a few moments.
But first I want to ask the questions of Larry Cohen who is the President
of Communication Workers of America. Mr. Collin, good to have with us
You have spent an enormous amount of time on the TPP and fast track and yet
the presumed -- the presumed Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton has been
ominously silent. Can your union and can you support Hillary Clinton if
she supports TPP?
LARRY COHEN, COMMUNICATION WORKERS OF AMERICA: Well I think it would be
very hard for working people regardless of their party to support a
candidate who supports TPP. As we now know it, obviously still a secret or
just as importantly to support fast track and we don`t even know what`s in
fast track. And yeah, we need populous politics.
We need candidates who will say, "I care about jobs, net jobs," imports
killing jobs in America not just the few export jobs. That we care about
pay and how our pay gets held down by competition with countries where
people have no rights.
COHEN: I think it`s essential that she speak out on these issues.
SCHULTZ: Essential that she speaks out. And I`m hearing that in a lot of
corners in the country right now for a number of different groups.
So, here comes Senator Elizabeth Warren asking these questions. What kind
of pressure do you think that puts on Hillary Clinton?
COHEN: Well, I think what Senator Warren is doing is great for all of us
because, she said in the clip you played. We now have 500 cases under
investor state dispute settlement. This is in a theoretical possibility,
this is a reality. And cases like accidental petroleum getting $2 billion
from Ecuador because Ecuador wants to save their environment, Ecuador that
hasn`t have $2 billion.
We know the record on ISDS sticks, it`s not just cases against the U.S.
it`s what it does the environment in every country and we have one world
here. So, I think it`s essential that she speak out on trade, it`s one of
the few things the President controls, much of the rest is up to the
Congress and we need major change in the Congress but the President
controls the trade agenda.
SCHULTZ: OK. So, how important is it if she runs unopposed?
SCHULTZ: I mean -- there`s a real chance that workers in this country
might not have total confidence that this is the best of a lot.
COHEN: Yeah, I think workers in this country will number one, believe
money and politics has taken over, few people can raise $1-2 billion --
that`s what the selection will be for a candidate that goes to full
distance. And as a result, they don`t get in at the front end. There are
other factors as well. But yes, working people are quite concern that it
will be about, whose worse instead of where`s our vision for America.
I think Senator Clinton or, you know, or Secretary Clinton can rise -- can
rise to that occasion. She needs to do it quickly because we`re beginning
to believe that it`s just about sitting it all out and getting the
SCHULTZ: OK, Larry Cohen, President of CWA, good to have you with us
tonight. I appreciate your time.
A major a headache for Hillary Clinton could be Senator Bernie Sanders.
The Vermont Senator has been thinking about a presidential run for
sometime. Senator Sanders is a much needed voice in the national debate as
I see it. A new article in "Newsweek" gives analysis of a Sanders run and
it might not be a long a shot.
Top Democratic consultant Tad Devine told "Newsweek", Sanders could win by
bringing disillusioned Tea Partiers. That caught my attention, sounds
rather absurd but it`s a real possibility if you think about it. Tea
Partiers want a lot of the same things that Bernie Sanders has been talking
about for a long time.
For more let`s turn to the Senator from Vermont. Senator, good to have you
with us tonight.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: Good to be with you.
SCHULTZ: You have been very clear on the issues that we have talked about.
But now Senator Warren is questioning Hillary Clinton for not stepping out.
Does that change your schedule at all if there`s going to be one?
SANDERS: No it doesn`t. Look, the American people understand, Ed that
there`s something profoundly wrong when 99 percent of all new income
generated in this country goes to the top 1 percent, when we have lost
60,000 factories since 2001 and millions of decent paying jobs.
In my view, every candidate not just Hillary but everybody else has got to
be clear about what we do to expand the middle class, to tell the wealthy
and large corporations that they have got to begin paying their fair share
of taxes. How do we create the millions of decent paying jobs we need.
Those are the issues that have got to be discussed.
SCHULTZ: Senator, you have been out and about around the country, in all
regions of the country, what are people asking you, when you go out to a
town hall and they want to talk to Bernie Sanders, what are they talking
about? What do they ask you?
SANDERS: Well, I will tell you Ed. What people are talking about is how
we create the millions of jobs this country desperately needs. And the
reason for that is that real unemployment in America is not 5.5 percent,
it`s 11 percent.
They want to know how we raise wages so that people are now earning $7.25
an hour. They want to know how we`re dealing with climate change and how
we reverse climate change by moving to sustainable energy. And there is a
lot of interest about trade policies and how we defeat fast track for the
SANDERS: Those are some of the issues that the American people are talking
SCHULTZ: What is this analysis that you might get disaffected Tea
Partiers? Do you see any parallel in that?
SANDERS: Absolutely and look, you got a lot of White working class guys
out there. They can`t afford to send their kids to college. They don`t
have any health care and do you think that they really believe in the
Republican agenda of giving tax breaks to billionaires and cutting social
security, Medicare and Medicaid, they don`t. But somebody has got to reach
out to them and say, "OK, we may disagree on this with that issue, but are
you concerned about your kid being able to go to college?" "Are you
concerned about how they get decent job or do you want to see your job go
I think we can bring forth some common agenda which brings a number of
these people into an approach that says, "Enough is enough, the billionaire
class can`t have it all."
SCHULTZ: OK. Senator, news today, the Iranians are saying that the
sanctions are going to have to be lifted across the board if there`s going
be a deal. What is your perspective on this? If you were president, if
you were making the decision, where would you be right now?
SANDERS: Well, I got to say, Ed; A, I think the President and Secretary
Kerry have done a very good job in making it clear that A; we want to make
sure that Iran does not get a nuclear weapon but B; what we have got to do
is everything possible to prevent another war on the Middle East.
I cannot believe that I have Republican colleagues who are very nonchalant
after the wars in Iraq, after the war in Afghanistan, "Oh, yeah, well maybe
we`ll have a war with Iran," disaster.
So I applaud what President is doing. There a lot of -- the devil is in
the details and I will study them. But he and John Kerry deserve credit
for trying to negotiate agreement that prevents Iran from getting the bomb
and yet does it in a way without a war.
SCHULTZ: Well, from what you know of it, would you lift the sanctions
across the board to get a deal?
SANDERS: I don`t have a lot of details but I think the President is moving
in the right direction and as soon as I see the details, I`ll be able to
give you a better decision.
SCHULTZ: OK. Senator Bernie Sanders, good to have you with us tonight. I
appreciate your time.
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Coming up, breaking news, police in South Carolina have released within
moments the dash cam video from the Walter Scott case and we`ll bring it to
And later, Wisconsin`s war on words, Badger State Republicans ban climate
change talk. Just like Florida. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: Here`s where we stand on tonight`s Bing Pulse Poll, do you want
Bernie Sanders to run for president? And the numbers are, 92 percent of
you right now say, "Yes", 93 percent. It changes as folks are voting. You
can go to the website and do just that.
We`ll be right back on the Ed Show. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: And we have breaking news at this hour. We just have gotten in
the dash cam video from the Walter Scott case in South Carolina. The video
does not show any of the shooting. We see Officer Michael Slager speak
with Walter Scott at his car after the officer walks back to his police
vehicle and out of the camera`s view, Walter Scott takes off running. From
there, we can only hear audio. This is the officer in the stop that was
the dash cam and we can`t see anything beyond that. Once he exits the car
and takes off, it`s only audio. And there will be -- certainly no doubt
that this is going to be central in the investigation.
Meantime, this case has broken into the political spectrum. Hillary
Clinton called the incident heartbreaking and too familiar. She says, "We
can do better to rebuild trust. Reform the justice system and respect all
Lindsey Graham, senator from South Carolina called the video horrific.
Rand Paul previously called the incident a tragedy. But today on a
presidential campaign stop in South Carolina, he didn`t even mention Walter
Scott at all, but he did have this critique of the media coverage.
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SEN. RAND PAUL, (R) KENTUCKY: I do think that sometimes, the way we report
news, we tend to report the news of crime and so we see a lot of crime, we
think it`s represented above the whole and I think when you look at police
across our country, 98-99 percent of them are doing their job on a day to
day basis and aren`t doing things like this.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: There`s no basis fro that comment. He doesn`t know what
percentage of police officer`s across this country do their job and are
excellent at it. Not to say that most of them aren`t. But are we not
supposed to show these tapes Senator Paul?
Constantly, the new media critic on the scene, that`s what his campaign is
all about. The nation is still consumed by the cell phone video appearing
to show discrepancies between the police report and recorded events.
The bystander who caught the shooting of Walter Scott has come forward.
Feidin Santana explains the recording of the shooting.
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SANTANA: There were just the three of us in that moment and like I said, I
wouldn`t -- I couldn`t tell what was going to happen.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Sarah Dallof of NBC News has more.
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SARAH DALLOF, NBC NEWS: As investigators in the public continue to
scrutinize cellphone video of the deadly shooting, new details are emerging
about the police officer charged with murder.
Michael Slager joined the force six years ago. Personnel record show a
complaint against him two years ago for improper use of force with the
taser. Slager was exonerated but the man who filed the complaint and his
attorney spoke today about what they call a systematic problem within the
EDUARDO CURRY, ATTORNEY: We believe that as the citizen start listening,
we`re going to uncover other instances of where they`d been aggressive
DALLOF: Investigators and the public continue to scrutinize cellphone
video of the shooting. One big question, why does Slager appear to
retrieve an object from the ground near where the shots were fired and drop
it by Scott`s body?
Scott family attorney believes that object was the taser, Slager initially
used to try to subdue Scott.
JUSTIN BAMBERG, SCOTT FAMILY ATTORNEY: He then, took that back to where
Mr. Scott`s body was and essentially planted the taser directly beside Mr.
DALLOF: Another troubling question, why are no officer seen on video
performing CPR when the initial report says they did?
CHIEF EDDIE DRIGGERS, NORTH CHARLESTON POLICE: There are questions that I
have in my mind that I can`t answer right now.
DALLOF: No quick or easy answers in a case that`s reignite the debate over
deadly police force.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight Paul Henderson, Veteran Prosecutor and Legal
Analyst, also with us tonight, Dr. James Peterson, Director of Africana
Studies at Lehigh University and an MSNBC Contributor. Gentlemen, good to
have you with us tonight.
PAUL HENDERSON, VETERAN PROSECUTOR: Thanks, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Mr. Henderson, I`d like to get -- I assume that you just saw the
dash cam video. How do you think this place into the case?
HENDERSON: Well, I think it shows us that, but for the videotape that we
received that came outside of official means and came from the community,
we still would not have the hard evidence and the extrinsic facts which
show that there are lies and it actually goes beyond the lies into perjury
where we have a claim being made by the officer that he was struggling,
that he was in fear or that anyone else was in fear
And so, I think it`s going to be helpful and it`s going to be corroborative
but it doesn`t show as much as the first video tape that we all saw from
the day before, where we actually witnessed the entire incident playing out
from the perspective of third-party.
SCHULTZ: Right now, it looks like a routine traffic stop. There`s nothing
inordinary about it from what the video tape shows. I mean that`s my first
impression of this.
There`s been numerous reports about this officer`s background, Mr.
Henderson. How does that play into this whole scenario?
HENDERSON: It`s absolutely going to play a significant role on three
different levels both in the criminal of case. It`s going to come in, in
terms of the bad behavior that`s been done by the Officer. It`s going to
come in, in any civil case and for the same thing to say that the
department should have had noticed about his bad behavior.
And then, at the third level, it`s going to be brought in as part of the
analysis if a third party or the Federal Government comes in to review a
pattern in practice of behavior from the police department where they will
be evaluating how other officers and this officer specifically was handled
when there were allegations made against him.
So, you will see this evidence being use over and over and over again as we
analyze just this incident that took place and we`re going to see
SCHULTZ: You`re going to see Scott ran from the vehicle here in just a
moment as the officer has gone back to the police vehicle. We can only
assume that he is running a license plate of the vehicle.
Mr. Henderson, does this video -- the video that has -- was recorded --
there you see Scott opening the door. It`s not like he`s taking off right
SCHULTZ: And now, he`s going back into the car.
SCHULTZ: This is -- that`s important because that shows intent, doesn`t
HENDERSON: It shows intent and the thing the focus on, is when are you
allowed to use justifiable deadly force? And so, what you`re analyzing is
when, if ever do you see the officer in safety or in the zone of danger for
either himself or of others which would justify the use of deadly force.
And so, that`s why I said this video tape where we use collaboratively to
show that there is no evidence of that flash point taking place. There is
no evidence anywhere of something showing that that officer was either in
danger for the -- to justify the use of deadly force either for himself or
for the public.
SCHULTZ: OK. I`m just going to put it in street terms here for just a
SCHULTZ: Just folks talking on the street, OK? How and the hell could
this Police Officer not know what has happened over the last year in
Ferguson, Missouri with Michael Brown, with Trayvon Martin, with the
gentleman that was choked to death in New York City, Eric Garner and -- I
mean, this looks like a normal traffic stop.
What elevated this guy as you see it, Dr. Peterson to bring into the point
where he would think that he should unload his pistol on an unarmed man
running away from him? I mean, don`t this...
JAMES PETERSON, LEHIGH UNIVERSITY: You know, Ed...
SCHULTZ: ... don`t -- I mean, it would seem to me that every police
officer in this country would get the message, don`t shoot unarmed people.
PETERSON: You would think, Ed that that would be the case but at the top
of the segment, you mentioned that this was a routine stop. And just from
the ways in which we had to cover these kinds of cases, it seeming more and
more routine that law enforcement are engaged in the shooting of unarmed
civilians that they have a particular script about scuffles and going for
the gun or going for the taser and then fearing for their lives.
And also, this story shows that the limitations of dash cams, this is why
I`m not a huge fan of body cameras or dash cams anyway because the same
type of law enforcement officer will use deadly force on an unarmed
civilian in the way that this Officer do with Walter Scott is a same kind
of officer who might manipulate the cameras or turn the cameras off. And
so the kind of routine nature that you`re talking about, Ed, I think
filters into this entire discussion.
Law enforcement folks are looking at cases like Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice,
Eric Garner and they`re siding with law enforcement. They`re saying that
it`s tough out there, it`s dangerous out there. They have to protect
themselves and by the way, this is the narrative that they use every time
in these shootings.
We were just fortunate and his family obviously was blessed to get access
to this video so that we can actually have the truth in this particular
case, and I think it explodes a lot of those previous narratives, where
your commonsense question E, is going to continue to go unanswered because
I don`t think that law enforcement has gotten the wake up calls just yet, I
If you think about their defensive instances that some of these sort of
sit-ins and die-ins and some of the organized ways of which Ferguson Action
or Dream Defenders are trying to raise awareness around this. If you look
at even their stance at Michael Brown`s funeral in Saint Louis, their sort
of attitude, their positionality, they`re still quite defensive.
So, we haven`t had the kind of conversations that are going to lead to
resolution and rebuilding the public`s trust with the law enforcement.
SCHULTZ: And finally, Mr. Henderson, the discrepancy between the police
report and the video tape, your thoughts.
HENDERSON: I think it`s a real problem because as I said before, it goes
beyond near lies. It drifts into an area of perjury which is real
accountability in terms of what this officer was willing to say and then,
beyond that what that report shows in terms of how CPR was administered to
this individual that -- to Walter Scott who had died.
There was no CPR and we saw that on the video tape. And that`s going to
speak directly to the analysis and the overview of the pattern and behavior
of that entire area of what police were doing because someone has to sign
off on that police report before it gets filed.
HENDERSON: So, it will expand beyond just the officer that`s under arrest
right now. That`s the problem
SCHULTZ: Paul Henderson, James Peterson, gentlemen, thanks for the
conversation tonight. I appreciate your time.
PETERSON: Yeah. Thank you.
SCHULTZ: Still ahead, the Rapid Response panel takes on at Wisconsin GOP`s
And next, President Obama is taking big steps forward in getting good
relations with Cuba but not everyone is happy with the progress.
Stay with us. We`ll be right back at the Ed Show.
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PRES. BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: There`s a process involved
in reviewing whether or not a country should be on the State Sponsored of
Terrorism list, that review has been completed. Our interagency team will
go through the entire thing and then present it to me with a
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: President Obama set to take big step in relations with Cuba.
He`s expected to accept the State Department recommendation to remove Cuba
from the government`s list of State Sponsors of Terrorism. The Presidents
is on his way to Panama at this hour for a Summit of Americas meeting,
while in Panama he`s expected to meet with Cuban President Raul Castro.
Not everybody is happy about that. In Panama City there have been clashes
between pro and anti-Castro protesters.
A new poll shows most Americans do support better U.S. relations with Cuba.
The new MSNBC/Telemundo/Marist Poll shows 56 percent of Latino`s approve of
democratic recognition -- diplomatic recognition of Cuba. But the Florida
state legislature, they`re not onboard. The state house voted to send
President Obama a letter saying it opposes his decision to renew diplomatic
The three-page letter says, "Fidel and Raul Castro have mistreated Cuban
citizens since they took over in power in 1959."
Ana Rivas Logan joins us tonight, former Florida State Representative.
Ana, good to have you us.
ANNA RIVAS LOGAN, FRM. FL STATE REP: Good to be here.
SCHULTZ: The polls (ph) of this in Florida, what does this mean that the
House is sending a letter to the President. Do you think that reflects the
mood of the people?
LOGAN: Absolutely not. We`ve seen a thought in with the President is
doing. When the President first announced his -- relations issue with Cuba
in December, 41 percent of South Floridians approved of it and today it`s
51 percent. So we are seeing an upwards swing, people are actually
accepting this. And we`re talking about the hard liners. We`re not
talking about the explanation (ph) because we know the Cuban-Americans
outside of South Florida support the President`s move on Cuba.
SCHULTZ: Is there much conversation about the State Sponsor of Terrorism
list, I mean, if the United States, the President does take the requotation
(ph) to the State Department to remove Cuba, what do you think the reaction
LOGAN: Well, it shouldn`t be there. I mean they`re not a terrorist of the
United States it shouldn`t have been there for a while. It was place on
there many, many moons ago and it`s time that they come off.
SCHULTZ: So as time goes by momentum seems to be swinging in favor of
everything the President is doing with Cuba or trying to accomplish.
LOGAN: Yes, momentum is definitely swinging in that direction. I think
the GOP pen members of the Florida House haven`t gotten the memo.
SCHULTZ: So how does this play in the next election? I mean is this going
to be a political calculation by -- say that Rubio crowd?
LOGAN: Well, of course there`s always going to be the Cuban hard-liners
that are not going to move on the issue. And they do represent a big part
of the primary voters in the GOP base. So, there will be a lot of
rhetoric of that, you know, I imagine with Rubio and with several of the
GOP primary, you know, in the primary. So, you know, they`re going to
playing to the far right which is the Republican primary. And they are
very hard stance against what President Obama is doing. But there heart --
they`re against everything President Obama is doing.
SCHULTZ: That is the truth. Anna Rivas Logan, good to have you with us
tonight appreciate your time.
SCHULTZ: Coming up, denial in Wisconsin. Republicans don`t want state
workers to talk about. Don`t even talk about it, don`t even think about
it, don`t e-mail about it: climate change.
Rapid Response panel weights in. Stay with us.
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SCHULTZ: And we are back. Florida isn`t the only state sticking its head
in the sand when it comes climate change, now it`s the Badger State. They
have joined the ranks of the willfully ignorant.
Meet Wisconsin`s newly elected State Treasurer Matt Adamczyk. Adamczyk,
see he hates big governments so much he advocated for eliminating he`s own
role. Adamczyk also hates environmental people. He`s on record, which is
bad for the folks in Wisconsin.
On Tuesday, Adamczyk successfully passed a banned which prevents the
state`s Board of Commissioners of Public Lands from doing any work
involving climate change or discussing climate change or even e-mailing
about climate change. Don`t talk about it. Well, this will make the board
-- the board`s job protecting unique natural areas a lot harder no doubt.
Don`t expect Governor Scott Walker to step in and maker this thing right at
all. Walker is the poster child for the GOP`s war on science.
In fact, Walker has the lead. He has been leading the charge against the
Environmental Protection Agency efforts to reduce carbon emissions. Walker
signed the Koch Brother`s No Climate Tax Pledge. He even tried to slash
millions from state-subsidized recycling programs. Congratulations
Wisconsin, a pioneer of anti-worker policies and now going backwards on
climate change. Or as 97 percent of the scientists in this country think
that it is because of what man is doing.
Joining me now on a Rapid Response Panel is Ruth Conniff, editor-in-chief
of the "Progressive Magazine", also with us tonight Wisconsin State Senator
Ruth, you first, what is the motivation here? What is this about? What`s
the root of this?
RUTH CONNIFF, THE PROGRESSIVE MAGAZINE: Well, there are two issues. The
first is that the petty vendetta by our Tea Party state treasure who as you
pointed out is really pretty out there.
Against, Thea Nelson, daughter of the great environmentalist, founder of
Earth Day, Senator Nelson from Wisconsin. Basically to go after her, he
tried to fire her. He was overrules by the other members of the state land
board who defended her. He`s been wanting to get rid of her for a while.
She is an environmentalist and he is attacking her for serving on a task
force that she was appointed to by the former Governor Jim Doyle, a
Democrat, on climate change and then for talking at the timber industry
that its concerned about client change and invited her to speak to them
about how to fix their industry.
So these are not firing offenses, that very clear. And so, then he`s gone
further and said, "She shouldn`t be allowed to speak of climate change, to
do any work on climate change" which she hasn`t done when she was asked to
do so in her official capacity.
So it`s really a non-issue but it`s about this petty vendetta. And then
the other piece is just across the country we see these folks like our
state treasure, Tea Party folks who are really worked up about the idea
that there is such a thing as climate change and are doing their best as
Scott Walker has to do things like make it very expensive to use solar
energy. We know that Scott Walker is a climate change denier. We know
that he`s friends with the Koch Brothers, and he was pushed to make
Wisconsin a less environmentally friendly state. But I think this mostly
originates with this one very peculiar individual, our state treasure.
SCHULTZ: Senator Larson, you just can`t raise any money admitting that
there`s climate change. So Walker is not going to be an ally here at all
in any way, shape or form. I mean the people that are in line in his
pockets are deniers. So this is pretty obvious. So how much is this going
to hurt the state as you see it?
STATE SEN. CHRIS LARSON, (D) WISCONSIN: Well, in Wisconsin, we`re got
timber, we`ve got agriculture and we have tourism. Those are our biggest
industries and they depend on us having a reliable climate and they`ll be
hurt if climate change is not addressed on a wide scale. So this is going
to hurt and I think he`s trying to bury his head in the sand. Walker is
trying to do that.
Other regressive Republicans are trying to do that. And to be clear this
is -- this is not you grandfather`s Republican Party. This is the
regressive era Republicans who are denying climate change and not just
that. It`s not enough for them to just deny and try muddy up the science.
They don`t want -- even want people talking about this and I think as they
demand silence, it`s important for us to speak up because it`s not just a
matter of saving trees or something environmental. It`s the future of our
industry and the state and across the country.
SCHULTZ: Isn`t this a form of intimidation of employees though? Telling
them that they can`t even think or talk or e-mail or mention climate change
at all? What about that Senator?
SCHULTZ: What do you think Senator?
LARSON: Absolutely and this is -- yeah, this is -- it`s not just -- Ruth
mentioned how he`s tried to fire her since he came in and he is actually
issued dozens of open records request. And to be clear, Adamczyk, this
maybe his first close up on national spotlight but the fact is we know him
He actually worked for Senator Leah Vukmir who is in line to be the next
president of ALEC who actually denied turning over documents in open
records request to find out what bills they were trying to move forward.
So he`s using the same process they denied to try and silence somebody in
our state and I think it`s important for us to speak up on it.
There is actually really great footage of just a month ago where a 7-year-
old actually calls Governor Scott Walker to the mat (ph) and calls -- asked
him two questions about climate change. I encourage people to check that
out and I encourage people to continue to speak up on this...
SCHULTZ: And the response was?
LARSON: ... they depend (ph) on silence, we need to speak up.
SCHULTZ: And what was the response, Ruth?
LARSON: I posted the video on Twitter but basically he ignored the 7-year-
old and the 7-year-old was bold enough to actually ask a followup question
that said, "Do you even care about climate change?" And then Walker
ignored him and walked away.
SCHULTZ: All right. Now, Adamczyk says, climate change isn`t part of the
Board`s mission which is to make money for our beneficiaries. What`s your
response to that Ruth?
CONNIFF: Well, part of the Board`s mission, it`s the oldest state agency,
is to manage these public forest land and the money from their sale, many
of them were sold out a 100 years ago and they have about a billion dollars
in their trust, not taxpayer funds but this is really publicly-owned wealth
and they used a lot of it to support public school libraries.
So they manage those funds, that trust and they also manage the land and
they, you know, they talk about what happening to forest lands I mean, you
know, as the Senator points out, even industry, the timber industry itself
wants to know what to do about climate change. So this is completely
within a reasonable purview, and to say they should be silenced is
SCHULTZ: All right, Ruth Conniff...
CONNIFF: Even that the Tea Party is catching up with this.
SCHULTZ: Say that again?
CONNIFF: ... you know, the Green Tea Coalition.
CONNIFF: Even the tea party is catching up with this, the Green Tea
Coalition. A bunch of people who don`t like having it made more expensive
for them to generate their own power is growing across the country. So,
you know, the world is moving past us.
SCHULTZ: Yeah. If it`s clean, it shouldn`t cost more. No doubt. Ruth
Conniff and State Senator Chris Larson, good to have you on tonight. Thank
Get your latest -- your last minute votes in. Get your last minute votes
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Still to come, a California Congressman plays politics to try to keep money
flowing to his drought ravaged district. Oh, the House majority leader
wants to bail out.
SCHULTZ: And here`s where we stand on tonight`s Bing Pulse Poll. Let`s
check it out.
Should the phrase climate change be banned? 100 percent of you say "No".
We`ll be right back. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: All right. Two-minute drill, underway at Augusta is the Masters,
one of the four majors, 97 players in the field going for the green jacket.
American Jordan Spieth is ahead by two strokes over South African Ernie Els
early on. But a bunch of players around on the course right now.
Two-time defending champion Bubba Watson back to defend his title. He`s
making a run for his third master`s victory in four years.
Rory Mcllroy stretch up a strong close in 2014. He`s on a quest to
complete a career grand slam. Mcllroy teed off for the Masters Par 3
Contest yesterday but he might have been upstage by his own caddie.
What a nice guy here. Mcllroy brought along One Direction pop star Niall
Horan to caddy for him in the event.
He said the pop star had never been to the Masters before and was excited
to attend the event. There`s no word whether the golfer will fill-in for
the former One Directioner Zayn on their next gig.
Stick around. More coming up on the Ed Show. We`ll be right back.
SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, the story unfolding in the Central Valley
area of California should have the attention of the country.
This historic drought in California is now on its third year and its
devastating farms and the economy.
House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy`s district is taking a hit.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. KEVIN MCCARTHY, (R) CALIFORNIA: There are some cities that have more
than 30 percent unemployment. The number one factor, water.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: In an exclusive interview with "The Hill", Congressman Kevin
McCarthy said it`s no longer a political issue but it is become a life or
The Congressman, I think, is using the drought as a platform to show that
he is still in touch with the folks back home. But Congressman McCarthy
seems to understand the issues although he needs to come forward with the
How about some disaster relief? Is that what he wants?
Interesting here is that every time a Democrat has a proposal for the
disaster relief whether it be for a hurricane or a flood, Republicans
always want to talk about budget offsets. What are we going to cut to make
So, the question tonight is how does McCarthy feel about offsets now? Is
there going to be a big political fight in Washington while the people in
I`ve spoken to friends out there who were telling me that people are
economically suffering right now and there`s no end in sight.
Congressman John Garamendi of California joins me tonight.
Congressman, good to have you with us.
REP. JOHN GARAMENDI, (D) CALIFORNIA: Hello, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Now that it is hitting the leadership in the House, would the
philosophy change somewhat for the role of the Federal Government, because
if people are losing their farms and their ranches, what is the role of the
Federal Government in their commitment to American citizens?
GARAMENDI: Well, certainly, the Federal Government has a major role to
play in dealing with this drought. And it`s not just to California
drought, Ed. This is stretching across the entire Southern United States
all away across -- all the way to Florida.
So this is really a national issue. And the Federal Government has a
specific set of opportunities to deal with it. In California, without new
money, we could focus the existing Federal Government programs to really
augment to coordinate and to really cause the California Bond Act which
passed by 60 percent majority just last November to actually get up and
going earlier. Talk about the communities that are losing their water
system, the Department of Agriculture has existing programs but they need
to be focused.
We have aquifers that are depleted. We need conservation programs both
urban and agriculture. All of those programs are in effect. So, what we
really need to do is to stop fighting in Washington and focus our attention
on those things that are in place in federal law with money already
Now, if they want to bring new money in, well then, more than happy to
spend money on their favorite projects without an offset but for the things
that they don`t really care about. They demand an offset.
In this case, let`s solve the problems of the drought all across the South
-- southern part of the United States, put the money there to help the
communities, to help with the conservation, recycling, all of those things
need to be done now.
SCHULTZ: Well, the experts are predicting that the economic loss is going
to be roughly $3 billion in this year alone, 2015 for the state of
California. That means job loss.
SCHULTZ: That means folks losing farms, generation, you know, some of
these farms that there are like three, four generations. That`s hard on
SCHULTZ: What do you do to avert that?
GARAMENDI: Well, first of all, don`t steal somebody`s water. For the last
four years, McCarthy and the folks from the southern San Joaquin Valley
have put forth legislation in Congress, actually passed that would steal
water from farmers and the environment of the North, from the fishermen --
the salmon fishermen. Don`t do that.
Don`t engage in a pointless water battle but rather focus on the things
that can be done to assist people. Some of the communities perhaps in my
district do have 30 percent unemployment. And so, what we need to do is to
employ those people, putting in place the conservation measure that makes
And it`s everything from toilets to agricultural conservation programs,
drip irrigation, better management of the canal systems. All of those
things are jobs that we need now and we need those conservation programs.
We know that we need to take care of the aquifers and we need to replenish
SCHULTZ: OK. Congressman John Garamendi of California, good to have you
with us tonight, sir. Thanks so much.
GARAMENDI: Thank you. Thank you.
SCHULTZ: I appreciate it.
That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.
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