The Ed Show for Friday, April 10th, 2015
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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: April 10, 2015
Guest: Caroline Heldman, Mitch Ceasar, Barbara Boxer, Thomas Mesereau,
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: This is the Ed Show, live from Detroit Lakes,
Let`s get to work.
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Tonight, Hillary`s ready for 2016.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The former Secretary of State will announce her run
for the White House.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Clinton will to avoid the mistake she made in 2008.
SCHULTZ: Plus, Iran`s pushback on a nuclear deal.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will not sign any deal unless all economic suctions
are lifted on the same day as the sign of that deal.
SCHULTZ: Later, new details out of South Carolina.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: State investigators are now saying they we`re
suspicious of this shooting from the very beginning.
SCHULTZ: And, bigotry on the bayou.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: State representative Mike Johnson filled a Marriage
and Conscience Act.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m always in favor of defending religious liberty.
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SCHULTZ: Good to have you with tonight folks. Thanks for watching.
Well, here we go. The 2016 presidential campaign season is about to kick
into high gear. Two sources close to the Clinton campaign tell NBC News,
Hillary Clinton will announce her candidacy as early as Sunday. Clinton is
expected to announce on social media and immediately head to Iowa for
There is a reason Hillary is heading straight to the Hawkeye State, it was
not good to her in 2008. Her performance in the Iowa caucuses, well she
was third. President Obama came in first with 38 percent. John Edwards
who worked to state in a tireless fashion came in second at 30 percent.
And Hillary Clinton who I think really relied on name recognition came in
third at 29 percent. They never really have the strong ground game.
In 2008, President Obama stunned the Clinton campaign with unprecedented
ground game and social networking campaign that we had never seen on
contemporary politics. Clinton was really caught in an outdated campaign
style and flatfooted.
Edwards drew huge crowds and support from unions like the Service Employees
International Union, they we`re out working hard for him early on. He
spent a lot of time in the campaign trail around the state. He wasn`t
afraid to connect with voters and speak his mind. But of course we know
the rest of the story.
Meanwhile Clinton had a hard time connecting with voters. She stuck to the
talking points and spoke to huge crowds, it was so kind of, that`s the way
it used to be.
Well, almost eight years later Clinton has got a different strategy and
she`s got some serious work to do. A new poll out of Iowa shows that 49
percent of people in the state do not trust Hillary Clinton. 43 percent
believe that she is trustworthy, 45 percent of Iowans have a favorable
opinion of Hillary Clinton. Her unfavorable rating sits at 47 percent.
Now this around, Clinton has a new playbook for Iowa. She`s expected to
hold small discussion events and connect with what they say ordinary folk,
ordinary people in the State of Iowa. While Clinton is attempting to
connect on a personal level with voters, she will spend time in diners and
coffee shops and people`s living rooms and not in big arenas. I think we
all know who Hillary Clinton is, but she`s going to have to get a campaign
going amongst the folks that, "You know what? We really like her."
Now I think Hillary Clinton will get an earful when it comes to health
care, job security, pensions, outsourcing of jobs, I mean this strategy I
think is right in her wheelhouse. Clinton is a great conversationalist,
and nobody ever reports that. When you meet her she loves to talk it over,
she`s personable. And so I think this is the story that they`ve got to get
out and it`s got to be more of a congenial campaign. And I think right
away she is going to go right to it. It`s far different from her strategy
Meanwhile, the RNC is already in full attack mode. They already released
this ad earlier today.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hillary Clinton has some explaining to do.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Used her personal e-mail account to conduct official
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wants to reset relations with Russia.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not really working out well.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Potentially catastrophic move for Hillary Clinton.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Taking millions of dollars from foreign governments.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a lie.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What difference at this point does it make?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is just par for the course for the Clintons
they`re always a little bit secretive.
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SCHULTZ: Well, once Hillary Clinton officially makes the announcement the
attacks will of course become constant and vicious. Now we got a flavor of
that just within the last hour today at the National Riffle Association
Convention in Nashville, Tennessee.
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GOV. BOBBY JINDAL, (R) LOUISIANA: I understand Hillary is about to
announce her candidacy this weekend. I wonder what her slogan is going to
be. I suspect it won`t be "Four more years." But somebody back there got
it right, maybe, "What difference does it make", we`ll see.
GOV. SCOTT WALKER, (R) WISCONSIN: We got a president who seems to think we
grow the economy by going Washington. Last year alone we got a report out
there that show that six of the top 10 wealthiest counties in America we`re
in and around Washington D.C.
I don`t know about you but I think most of us as Americans, we believe we
grow the economy in cities, in towns, and villages all across this great
country, that people create jobs not the government.
We got a president and people like Hillary Clinton who seemed to think that
you measure success in government by how many people who are dependent on
the government. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton actually gave
Russia a reset button.
FRM. GOV. JEB BUSH, (R) FLORIDA: It`s the liberal progressive world view
of Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton, and Eric Holder, and all the other
people who want to take the guns out of the hands of the good guys in the
hands of law-abiding citizens.
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SCHULTZ: Here we go. Hillary`s a gun grabber and so is Obama.
Scott Walker talking about Jobs? We could do an entire show on how he has
failed to create them in the State of Wisconsin. Here`s what I think
Hillary`s got to do, just focus on the positives because the country know
where we we`re and where we are now. I think she has to run on the economy
and just tell us what her plan is going to be for the economy, and also on
Look, there`s no perfect world when it comes to health care, but there is a
better world with Obamacare. And certainly know the Republicans don`t have
a plan and neither one of those guys that you`ve just heard from have a
plan. And the numbers on Obamacare are undeniable. 16.4 million Americans
have gained health coverage through Obamacare.
The CBO reported that Obamacare will cost 20 percent less over the next
decade than originally projected. They say that lower than expected health
care inflation has lead to smaller premiums. Costs are going down, more
people are getting coverage, and the private insurance industry -- look at
their stocks, look at their profits, they`re doing fine.
Hillary needs to embrace this. She needs to connect with Iowans at the
dinner table on issues like health care. You don`t have to apologize for
good things because that`s what the Democrats did in the midterm, they
didn`t embrace the economic success that we had, they didn`t embrace
Obamacare or whatever you want to call it, the Affordable Care Act, and I
think it cost the Democrats.
If Hillary embraces this and creates a vision of where she wants to take
the country again, she`s going to be far ahead of all of those guys you
just heard yakking at the NRA convention.
Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Will Hillary Clinton`s new strategy in Iowa work?" Go to
poll.msnbc.com/ed to cast your vote. We`ll bring you results later on in
Let me bring Michael Steele, Former RNC Chair and MSNBC political analyst,
Caroline Heldman joins tonight, Professor of Politics in Occidental
College. And Mitch Ceasar, Chair of the Broward County Democrats. Great
to have all of you with us tonight.
Well, Michael I want to start with you first.
MICHAEL STEELE, FRM. RNC CHAIR: OK.
SCHULTZ: This is a different -- this is a different strategy in Iowa. Are
these lessons learned? What`s your take on it?
STEELE: No, I think you`re absolutely right. They are lessons learned and
you can -- you know that because she basically is jettisoned (ph), all of
those folks who are part of that 2008 debacle. She`s brought in a younger
and -- not necessarily by age but certainly in terms of their ability to
look at this fresh -- in a fresh way, to look at this campaign through the
lens of millennials for example. And to help her develop the kind of
messages that you just touched on.
I take note of the fact of it, you know, earlier this weekend, last week
Ed, you laid down some markers for the progressive -- from the progressive
left. She`s going to have to address those markets before she even begins
to look at what Republicans are saying about her, what the conversations
she`s going to have with an eventual Republican nominee.
She has to talk about national security yes, but also job security, wage
security, how she reconciles her relationship with Wall Street given that
the Clintons are synonymous with Wall Street in many aspects for the left.
So she`s got a lot that she`s got to unpack early and carefully. But I
think she`s trying to build a team around her to do just that.
SCHULTZ: Well, I think that what she`s going to have to do is answer some
of the things that have been brought up by liberals in this country. And I
don`t think --
SCHULTZ: -- that she should wait very long. She ought to have a
position on Iran. I mean how would she handle the negotiations at this
point. This is what happens when you`re in a campaign, she knows that.
Caroline, I doubt that she would jump in and not be ready to answer these
questions. Your thoughts.
CAROLINE HELDMAN, PROFESSOR OF POLITICS, OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE: I think she`s
very ready to answer the questions as she`s demonstrated in the past couple
of months. But the problem was not really having a strong primary
contender, it`s that a lot of these issues -- she`s going to have to bring
them up herself, right?
She`s not going to have other Democratic candidates pulling skeletons out
or potential skeletons, finding her soft or weak spots. So I worry that
she`s going to have to do this work herself in order to be ready to really
give it a go in the general election contest.
SCHULTZ: Mitch, what does Hillary have to do to win Iowa? What has to be
different this time around?
MITCH CEASAR, CHAIR, BROWARD COUNTY DEMOCRATS: Ed, you know that -- and
you spoke about this. Iowa is retail politics type of place. The very
fact that she`s going with small group shows she gets it.
Stages (ph), the big groups are very `90s, it`s out. She has to be
candidate and she`s intended to be a candidate of the future not of the
past, not as Bill Clinton`s wife but maybe as a former U.S. Senator and
Secretary of State.
I think she gets it. I don`t think she`s going to have a difficult time
making the transition from grandmother-in-chief as she has been chiding
(ph) for, to being the chief executive, commander-in-chief.
I think she`s going to make it about the future. She`s been talking as you
said small groups. That will give people a chance to look her in the eye
and get a real better feel for who she really is, because that didn`t come
out the prior campaign.
SCHULTZ: Yeah. You know, Michael Steel, what we`ve seen from the
Republicans in Iowa, if you work the small towns and you do a lot of
pushing the flashing retail politics, it works.
SCHULTZ: Look out Rick Santorum has done in Iowa. Look how Mike Huckabee
has got a pretty good history in Iowa. I mean, is this a wake up call to
Hillary in sense, you know, maybe this is just what Iowa`s want.
STEELE: Yeah. I think it is and I think -- again, going back to the first
part of your question, the lessons learned has sunk in with her.
Now the question for Hillary is, how does she personalize this campaign
unlike the way she did before?
Barack Obama had a way of connecting with people on a very personal level.
She`s sitting at 47 percent disapproval in Iowa right now. She`s got to
turn that number around among Democrats and certainly among the broader
population of voters.
And so, the question for her is how does she personalize it? How does she
tell her story so as not, you know, it`s not a narrative, well I was once
broke but it`s something that`s, you know, goes beyond that to something
that people can identify with in their own lives.
And I think she can do it. She is much better on the personal side as
you`ve noted but she`s never been, you know, willing to show that. I think
now maybe she is.
And certainly from the right, I think that`s all good for us because then
you got that comparison and then contrasting subsistently on the issues as
oppose to just talking about Benghazi all the day long.
SCHULTZ: Yeah, no doubt. Look, Caroline, it`s not good when the numbers
say that people really don`t trust you. Does she have to take this head-on
HELDMAN: Well, I do think she has to address it head-on but I also think
she`s in a much better position than she was in the 2008 Iowa primary
because her favorable ratings are higher and they`re especially higher
So, if she takes that playbook from President Obama`s election in 2008 and
really presses the flesh and uses the new social media and data strategy,
the online strategies that are now -- the new norm in politics which, it
appears that she is doing. I think she will be just fine.
SCHULTZ: Caroline, does she need competition? What do you think?
HELDMAN: I do think she needs competition. I think that the general
election is going to be the ugliest we`ve ever seen.
You know, 26 percent of Americans are angry or afraid that the idea of a
woman in the White House. We`re going to see sexist media coverage --
coverage that focuses on her dress and appearance, negative coverage. So I
really think that it would be great to get that out early on in the
Democratic primary but since she`s not going to have a big contest there, I
think most of it will come out on the general election which will make it
harder for her to gain the White House.
SCHULTZ: Well, speaking a dirty politics, Mitch Ceasar, anything worst in
Florida? What we`ve seen down there as Governor Scott got in and the kind
of campaigning that`s taking place. Are people in Florida hot for Hillary?
I mean, is this going to be friendly territory for her?
CEASAR: I think obviously the primary it is. I know the Clinton campaign
is very, very concerned about Florida because its 29 electoral vote, it`s
so gigantic now.
I think she`s going to do very well here. I think if it`s Jeb Bush, I
think it`s a close race. I think anybody else she beats without question,
but she`s going to focus a lot I anticipate in here.
She`s very smart. Her campaign staff is very smart. And I really think
she does understand people. Her, you know, real House has been said really
is middle class, jobs and economy, and that`s one of the reason she has a
great chance of even beating Jeb Bush in Florida, because people don`t have
Clinton-fatigue in Florida.
They have Bush- fatigue but because of the economy and because of foreign
policy issues. They have a much better feeling about the Clinton times and
about Hillary herself.
SCHULTZ: Michael, your reaction of Rand Paul up on Hillary Clinton in Iowa
and in Colorado early polls by Quinnipiac. What do you make of it?
STEELE: Well, it goes back to something that I`ve said for a long time
now. I consider Rand Paul at this point to be the most dangerous man in
politics because he has this innate ability to draw across party lines.
Certainly tap into that millennial base that Barack Obama nurtured and
developed over four years. And so, it`s something that his, you know,
positioned to make the case. I think you`ll have a different kind of
arguments with the Rand Paul in the mix that you may have with some of the
other candidates versus Hillary Clinton.
So, that dynamic I think is reflected quite honestly, Ed in that poll. You
know, this is going to go back and forth. You know -- I, you know, I
applaud it. It`s nice to see Republican up but we`re talking -- we`re in
April of 2015. So, you know, we`ll take it for what its worth right now,
but it is a good sign that that could be an interesting contest.
SCHULTZ: Good to have all of you on, Michael Steele, Caroline Heldman,
Mitch Ceasar. I appreciate your time tonight. Thanks so much.
Remember to answer tonight`s question there at polls.msnbc.com/ed. We`ll
have the results for you right after the break.
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you can get my video podcast at wegoted.com.
Coming up, Republican obstruction could derail the Iranian nuclear deal.
Senator Barbara Boxer joins me next here at the Show.
And new details emerged in the Walter Scott case. We`ll have an update.
Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: Keep on --
-- tonight`s Bing Pulse Poll, the numbers are -- I love this. Keep
voting. Polls.msnbc.com/ed. 76 percent of you say "Yeah, this new
strategy Hillary`s got Iowa is going to work."
We`re coming right back on the Ed Show. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Last week, the world was one step
closer to a nuclear agreement with Iran. On Thursday we took two steps
Iran Supreme Leader is now saying Iran will not sign a deal unless
sanctions are removed at once. This is completely counter to the phase
relief outline by negotiators last week which would lift sanctions in
stages. Now the sanctions timeline has been a focal point of these
negotiations abroad and here at home.
Senate Foreign Relations Chair Bob Corker from Tennessee introduced
legislation that would block sanctions from being lifted on Iran for 60
days while Congress reviews the deal.
The Obama administration has asked Congress to wait until after the June
30th deadline for a final agreement before voting a legislation. They say
it could interfere with negotiations. Of course Corker plans the hold of
vote in the foreign relations committee as early as next week.
My next guest Senator Barbara Boxer has asked Senator Corker to delay
consideration of the bill saying, "It would be a reckless rush to judgment
and could derail a once-in-a lifetime opportunity to deal with this looming
Joining us tonight, the Senator from California Barbara Boxer, Senator good
to have you with us tonight and I appreciate you speaking up on this,
there`s so much negativity surrounding all of this. I mean, it`s like we
have forgotten give peace a chance. And so many people are quick --
SEN. BARBARA BOXER, (D) CALIFORNIA: Yes that`s right.
SCHULTZ: -- to say you can`t trust t the Iranians, you know, where do
you stand on all of this, how critical is it for Corker to back off until
June 30th? Your thoughts.
BOXER: Completely critical and, you know, this is not just me speaking at
all. I`ve never seen such an outpouring of advice coming from some really
good people, 50 different experts who spend their adult lives fighting
either in the military, in the American military or diplomacy. The fact of
the matter is that they are telling us not to act on any Congressional
legislation until a final deal is made.
Now, you know, if you went to a doctor you wouldn`t want him to operate
until he saw the x-ray`s. Let`s see where we stand, let`s see the real
deal and very, very simple --
SCHULTZ: Do you --
BOXER: -- point that these 50 people are making. And let me just say,
these are from eight administrations, five Republican administrations and
three Democratic administrations. And I know that Senators have large egos
-- I`m not suggesting that we all think that we know things -- but theses
folks ought to be listened to Ed and set aside this hubris, this rush to
judgment, this recklessness.
Take a deep breath. We`ve already been in enough wars. Let`s try to
resolve this peacefully if we can.
SCHULTZ: Yeah. Senator, what`s your response to what Senator Chuck
Schumer is saying. He is really broken with the White House and threw his
weight behind Corker`s legislation. How much of an issue is this do you
BOXER: Look, I don`t want to speak for Chuck or anybody else. I don`t
think that`s appropriate because you never know where they`ll come out and
how they`ll end up. But I can say this, it`s just a very simple
proposition that you don`t try to undermine negotiations that have a
chance, they have chance to avoid war.
So, my colleagues may say one thing, may say another but I think at the end
of the day, all you have to do is listen to Tom Cotton. He`s in the Senate
for 15 minutes I think but frankly he`s just saying, let`s go to war, let`s
drop the bomb, no big deal he says, it will be over in a few days and it`s
not really war we just bombing people.
Well, I would say if we were bombed by somebody we consider it war and, you
know, it has that ring to it of Rumsfeld, "Oh, go to Iraq it will be a few
hours, a few days, a few weeks. I don`t even think it will be six months."
Years and years and years --
BOXER: -- and dead soldiers and dead civilians and wounded warriors. It
then breaks your heart, and I was there, and I had the same sense of it.
Coming out of the Republicans in particular, 47 of them signing a letter
unprecedented in its nature to try and scuttle the agreement, it failed.
The agreement framework went forward.
And now Tom Cotton, at least he`s telling truth. He says, forget this
whole thing, let`s just bomb Iran. And who could forget John McCain?
Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran remember? Did a little song rendition --
SCHULTZ: I do.
BOXER: This is very serious stuff --
SCHULTZ: Well Senator --
BOXER: And, you know, they`re not sending their --
SCHULTZ: What about the -- what about --
BOXER: -- kids to war, yeah.
SCHULTZ: No, they`re not. They`re not, and this is a war that wouldn`t
touch them at all but it would touch a lot of innocent people no doubts.
They will not do the full-throated give piece a chance, there`s no doubt.
Now, what about the Senate Democrats, are -- they`re going to play an
important role here. Do you think that you`re going to see --
SCHULTZ: -- 13 of your colleagues siding with the Republicans on this?
BOXER: You know, honest to God don`t think so. And the reason is, those
50 people that I cited, they include by the way Senator Lugar, Senator
Levin, Madeleine Albright, just a stellar list of people from the Ford
administration all the way through. So I think that`s going to give them
some pause and then the hawks that are really taking over the Republican
Party now, you know, sounding like those neocons of the past, just rushing
us into a war. I think its sobering people up. Now, I`m going to be at
the mark up --
BOXER: -- on Tuesday. I`ve asked Corker to delay it. We have a lot of
amendments to fix that Corker bill but it`s on a train and here`s what I
think, the American people are smart and they`re going to see what`s
happening. Cotton just let the cat out the bad, let`s just bomb Iran and -
BOXER: -- get it over with. They don`t want that -- people don`t want
SCHULTZ: All right.
BOXER: So I urge your viewers to weigh in, let`s not head toward another
war, let`s give this agreement a chance. Just give it a chance --
BOXER: -- and then if we don`t like it every thing is on the table.
SCHULTZ: Well, what your response to the supreme leader in Iran who says
that all of the sanctions have to be a lifted right away, and that of
course was not part of the preliminary deal that was outlined last week.
What`s your response to that, what should we do?
BOXER: Well, clearly we`re not going to do that. And, you know, if that`s
how it moves -- if the hard-liners take over in Iran there`s not going to
be a deal. And if the hard-liners take over in America there`s not going
to be a deal.
So I think the moderate voices in both nations have to come together and
say, give this thing a chance Ed. And look, everybody knew that there`ll
be ups and downs on the way that this dance, but the fact is, the process
isn`t yet over. Imagine marking up a bill --
BOXER: -- before you even know what it is and not even holding one
hearing to call these experts forward.
SCHULTZ: Senator Barbara Boxer with us tonight from California. I
appreciate your time Senator, thanks for writing that letter, I think it
SCHULTZ: -- certainly the right thing to do and I hope it does throw a
cold water on him.
The investigation into the death of Walter Scott continues. Rapid Response
Panel weights in on all that on the latest developments. That`s coming up.
And deadly tornado hit the mid-west. We`ll have an update on the
destruction in Illinois. Stay with us, we`ll be right back on the Ed show.
SCHULTZ: And we are back.
Tonight, officials are still coming through the wreckage after severe
storms and tornadoes ripped across North Central Illinois last night. It`s
unclear how many residents remain unaccounted for as rescuers continue
their search for survivors.
Governor Bruce Rauner confirms two people were killed and at least 11
others were injured.
NBC`s Kevin Tibbles -- excuse me -- has more.
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KEVIN TIBBLES, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Storm Chasers captured the unbelievable
footage as it knocked over a Sema (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, it`s over. It`s over.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go, go, go.
TIBBLES: The tornado leaving a huge path (ph) of destruction touching down
in Rochelle, Illinois about 75 miles west of Chicago.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was huge and it was coming right for us.
TIBBLES: 12 people took cover in the basement of the Grubsteakers
Restaurant. Trapped there for 90 minutes until rescue workers could get
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m in shock. I`ve got no job and no car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was just blown away by that terror of everything.
TIBBLES: The roof of the restaurant was blown off. A Sema (ph) parked
nearby toppled over.
Remarkably, everyone trapped made it out with only minor injuries.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve been on the department almost 35 years now and we
never had anything come through like this.
TIBBLES: Several homes were flattened and power lines down as the tornado
tours through the region.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh my gosh. Oh my God. Oh my God.
TIBBLES: Particularly, hard hit the tiny community at Fairdale, Illinois.
Some 50 structures were leveled. One witness saying it was like a bomb
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would say probably 95 percent of the town is gone.
TIBBLES: First responders working through the night in a methodical
searching rescue operation as they begin to assess the damage.
SCHULTZ: Today, forecasters are watching severe whether from Philadelphia
and in Texas. We`ll keep an eye on the radar and bring you any updates.
Next, we`ll have the latest on the Walter Scott case from South Carolina.
Stay with us. We`ll be right back at the Ed Show.
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight.
In about an hour, the Black Lives Matter coalition will hold a vigil in
North Charleston, South Carolina in memory of Walter Scott.
The group is planning on training members of the community on how to use
video cameras to "protect themselves and each other".
Meantime, the investigation into the shooting death has been handed over to
state authorities. The FBI is set to release a report in the coming
NBC`s Sarah Dallof has more.
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SARAH DALLOF, NBC NEWS: A call for a police reform in Charleston, South
Carolina. A day after dash cam video was released showing the initial
traffics stop that brought Officer Michael Slager and Walter Scott
At first, their interaction is routine. Then Scott gets out of the car and
run. There`s a gap in-between what happens after that and where eyewitness
cell phone video begins with Slager firing eight shots.
The state agency investigating the shooting, says they saw inconsistencies
right away including what appear to be gun shot wounds in Scott`s back.
A statement reads impart, "We believe early on, there was something not
right. The cellphone video shot by a bystander confirmed our initial
suspicions." Slager, a six-year member of the force and a coast guard
veteran has been charged with murder and fired from his job.
His mother has yet to watch the video but offered an apology to the Scott
KAREN SHARPE, MICHAEL SLAGER`S MOTHER: I just want them to know I`m sorry
that this happened. I know their family is grieving. Our family is
grieving. And I would hate for this to happen to anybody.
DALLOF: Two families torn apart.
JUDY SCOTT, WALTER SCOTT`S MOTHER: I`ll miss his phone calls. He would
call mom everyday.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight on a Rapid Response Panel, Thomas Mesereau,
veteran criminal defense attorney, James Peterson, MSNBC Political Analyst
and professor at Lehigh University, and live from North Charleston,
Trymaine Lee, MSNBC National Reporter.
Trymaine, you first tonight if I may. What`s the mood of the city now that
these rallies are starting to take place and Black Lives Matter are
starting to have rallies, and now that the dash cam has been released?
What is the mood in North Charleston tonight?
TRYMAINE LEE, MSNBC NATIONAL REPORTER: Well, there are certainly some
frustration and heavy emotion and hearts around the killing itself. It`s
kind of been a swayed by the fact of the criminal justice system is
actually kind of taking phase (ph) here with the officer arrested.
Yet still there are organizers who are trying to -- you lay the ground work
in framework for an ongoing sustainable movement. There are even a number
of the architects and activists around the Ferguson movement here landing
in North Charleston. They`ve been having meetings and trying to help the
local activist and protesters and residents find their footing in what to
do, what works.
And so -- there`s not that kind of outright anger that we`ve seen in other
cities, there are certainly some frustration on what people have say, it`s
been a long coming movement to push back against what they say have been
harassing and abused by a police and the death of Mr. Scott is kind of
indicative of what`s been going on here for so long.
SCHULTZ: Mr. Mesereau, what are investigators looking for on the dash
tape. And from a defense attorney`s position, what about this gap from
when Mr. Scott leaves the car and then in some way, they get, you know,
connected back again before he departs, as we see the video tape where he
was eventually shot. What would a defense attorney -- how would you view
THOMAS MESEREAU, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, the gaps in video tapes,
the gaps in audio tapes are a defense lawyer`s weapons. They typically
exploit those situations. They`ll probably have him testify if he goes to
trial that a confrontation took place that he was in fear of his life that
he thought the man fleeing was a violent dangerous felon.
I have no doubt this is what the defense will say. Unfortunately, the tape
in my opinion shows cold-blooded premeditated murder. You see a man pulled
over for having a busted tail light, nothing else. You don`t hear a
discussion that`s confrontational or angry or volatile at all. And I think
the defense will fail.
Plus you`ve got tampering with the crime scene which police officers are
told never to do. You have what appears to be a false police report but it
answer to your question. The defense will exploit those gaps. The only
person around to say what happened during those gaps is the defendant then
they will try to exploit back to the hill (ph) as well as the fact that
many jurors want to presume that a police officer is courageous and
honorable and trustworthy.
They want to give police officers the benefit of the doubt. I don`t think
it`ll work in this case.
SCHULTZ: Well, these sounds like you`re framing it as a defense attorney`s
nightmare that the videotape is so damaging for him to get exonerated at
any level is almost impossible.
MESEREAU: It looks like cold-blooded murder but don`t say it`s impossible.
You know, it`s almost 25 years ago LAPD officers beat Rodney King to a
pulp. They got their story straight. They all filled out consistent
reports. They had no idea somebody was videotaping them.
We now live in an age of social media and I think this movement to have
minorities videotape and film, everything is fabulous. I think it`s
exactly what the way of the future should be, and police officers to behave
this way need to be put in prison.
SCHULTZ: Mr. Peterson, how do you feel about that? Black Lives Matter is
running video campaign. They`re going to train people to protect
themselves and each other and to use these cameras. What do you make of
JAMES PETERSON, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: I think it`s a great idea. I
agree with the attorney as well. I`m not so big as you know, Ed on the law
enforcement cameras, with the body cameras.
To me it adds kind of layer surveillance and they can be use more
arbitrary, but civilian phone cameras, civilian stepping up and being
vigilant around this police stops is really, really important.
Just think of it as a deterrence measure. You know, once law enforcement`s
know that -- that a community has come together, to try to pay attention
very closely to what`s happening in these exchanges. I think that will
help to change the behavior even much more so than what people think will
happen with body cameras.
SCHULTZ: Trymaine, is there a lot of conversation in the community about
this officer`s past? Is this something that they could see him doing or is
this just something that they couldn`t fathom him doing?
LEE: On one hand, there hadn`t been much conversation but as we`ve learned
in recent days, there have been at least two allegations about abuse
involving this officer in the past including one situation where he
allegedly forced his way to someone`s home, dragged him our on the ground
and then shot him with the Taser.
I spoke to a local business owner who owns a bar in North Charleston in the
South side which is the black community. And he owns a bar there. He said
routinely, Officer Slager and other officers -- he described as harassing
them over an arbitrary code violations. And so beyond that -- beyond what
we`ve heard about the two prior accusations and what a few (inaudible)
head, we don`t really know much.
But folks are quick to say that it`s not just about one officer, that there
are many officers in this community who have targeted them for, you know,
stops and arrest. But also stopping them disproportionately and not give
them a citation or not giving them a ticket but just simply stopping to
have that access point to check and harass them they say.
SCHULTZ: All right. Trymaine Lee, James Peterson and Thomas Mesereau, I
appreciate your time tonight on this very tough subject. No doubt about
Still to come, bigotry on the bayou is coming up. We`ll show you how
Louisiana`s Religious Freedom Bill is even worse than the one in Indiana or
Stay with us. We`ll be right back.
SCHULTZ: Tonight`s Two Minute Drill. Hey, it`s day two of the Masters
he`s still hot. All eyes remain on 21-year old Jordan Spieth. The hit
(ph) shot a 64 on Thursday with nine birdies along the way.
It`s the best opening round in the tournament since 1996 when Greg Norman
shot a 63. So, he shows up again today, another great round, a stellar
performance, shooting a 66 with six more birdies.
His two round totals at 130, that sets a new record for the best score
after 36 holds of the Masters. It`s one shot better than what Ray Floyd
did back in 1976.
He leads the pack at 14 under par. Charley Hoffman sits at second place at
nine under, veteran golfer Ernie Els finished even on the day moving in a
sixth place at five under overall.
Jason Day who had a five straight birdies in round one struggled today with
five bogeys. He`s currently tied for 11th with three under.
Last year`s champ, Bubba Watson started the day tied at 18th place at just
one under par. Watson improved to two under to stay in a tie for 18th.
At four birdies helped Tiger Woods improved to a two under par, putting him
in a tie for 18th. Still within striking distance.
In Churchill Downs is laying down some ground rules for attendees of this
year`s Kentucky Derby. Organizers of the 141-year old event aren`t buying
into some of the latest technology.
According to the Derby`s website, selfie sticks and remote controlled
aircraft like drones will be banned from the race track for the Derby and
Churchill Downs is also implementing a no-reentry rule for the first time
on Derby Day.
Don`t worry. Big hats and mint juleps are still allowed.
Stick around. Lots more coming up at the Ed Show. We`ll be right back
here on MSNBC.
SCHULTZ: Finally tonight, the fight for religious freedom law has now come
to the State of Louisiana and it`s even worse than we`ve seen so far in the
last couple off weeks. The Marriage and Conscience Act allows businesses
to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages. The law goes further than the
unpopular bills in Indiana and Arkansas.
The first draft allows businesses to refuse benefits to employees in same-
sex marriages. Governor Bobby Jindal says he`s in favor of it. His
spokeswoman called the proposed law commonsense. Jindal was a supporter of
the original Religious Freedom Restoration Act in Arkansas and in Indiana.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JINDAL: This is about business owners that don`t want to have to choose
between their Christian faith; their sincerely held religious beliefs and
being able to operate their businesses. Now, what they don`t want is the
government to force them to participate in wedding ceremonies that
contradict their beliefs.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: The New Orleans Convention Bureau has already come out against
the bill. The organization says, "Economic losses pushing past a billion
dollars a year and tens of thousands of jobs are at stake." Governor
Jindal of course is mauling (ph) over a run for the presidency.
Joining me tonight Judy Gold, comedian and activist and actor in the new
play "Clinton the Musical", and Mike Rogers with us tonight of
rawstory.com, great to have both of you with us.
JUDY GOLD, COMEDIAN AND ACTIVIST: Thanks.
SCHULTZ: Judy is this is just going to be a lifelong fight against the
conservative movement that they`re never going to get the message? What`s
your response to Jindal`s support of this bill?
GOLD: Well, I think they will get the message when major companies and
people do not frequent these businesses. Look what happened in Indiana, I
mean this is going much further but I remember last time when I was on the
show, we were talking about gay marriage and you said, "Is it not
discrimination?" I never use the word discrimination and I you`re
This is a law permitting discrimination, and it is abhorrent on so many
levels. But you know what? I don`t want a cake from someone who doesn`t
want to make a cake for my wedding. But I`ll be sure to let every single
person that I know or who I know, know about that. It`s going to come back
and it`s complete and out of pandering because he is going to be running
SCHULTZ: But Judy isn`t that given those who want to discriminate an
alibi? I understand what you`re saying, you don`t want to go where you`re
not wanted, you don`t want to do business where you`re not viewed as equal
and I really do believe that that`s how these people view this.
SCHULTZ: But this has to be pushed against doesn`t it?
GOLD: Absolutely, we covered this in the First Amendment. You know, when
you think about the Boston Tea Party which was also somewhat similar to
this, you know, we wouldn`t be drinking so much coffee now had that not
happened. Seriously and this is complete --
GOLD: -- they`re just being just incredibly shortsighted and trying to -
- I mean, these people want less government but now they want the
government to allow them to discriminate. They want a law saying, "You
know what? We can be a jerk". Let me tell you something, there`s no same-
sex omelets anywhere, OK?
SCHULTZ: Yeah. Mike, what about Jindal`s positioning of this? He`s
claiming that those who want religious freedom somehow are the victims in
all of this, that they are being put in a position because someone wants to
exercise their freedom? I mean this is a rather unique way of putting it
MIKE ROGERS, RAWSTORY.COM: Well, and what it means is it`s one of these
politicians that you have to go a dictionary that`s been created especially
for them. And in the case of the Bobby Jindal to the American people
dictionary, what this means is, don`t focus on the fact that I`ve destroyed
my state budget, don`t focus on the fact that education in my state is in
the tank, don`t focus on all of the horrible things that I did in Louisiana
blame that on the media because I`m with you and these false religious --
these claims, there`s not a whole lot of this whole world where everybody
is being denied their religious freedoms.
All people want, all people have ever asked for is a fair and equal access
to things and if you want to sell a cake on main street, in your town in
Louisiana you should have to sell it to everybody, because that`s street is
protected by the police, paid for by everybody, it`s protected by the fire
department. And as I`ve said often, there`s rules in society. If you want
to live in society you should play by the rules where everybody is treated
SCHULTZ: Yeah, but Mike doesn`t this set up some kind of confrontation of
this law were to be passed? That there`s going to be a gay couple that is
going to frequent a business and then be challenge, and then what happens?
I mean, I think this is horribly confrontational for them to take this
position. Where`s the endgame here?
ROGERS: Well, I think we`ve seen that business after business saying
enough is enough, and in fact today I was reading about how the film
industry is having issues with what`s going on right now in Louisiana. And
the Baton Rouge area and of course New Orleans are both use this film
locations and that`s big money to the state. You would think that`s what
he would be focusing on.
So I think unfortunately with every single major Republican presidential
candidate coming out and saying, "I support these bills", I think the
endgame is once again, in a year and a half the American people will say
enough with the debilitate (ph), enough with tearing people apart, enough
with who will be served. This is the stuff of the early of 20th century,
no Jews allowed, no Irish serve, don`t apply for a job here if you`re
black. This is pathetic and this is where Bobby Jindal wants to take
America. This is what he thinks should be his one song as governor of the
SCHULTZ: And we will leave it there, I appreciate -- Judy Gold and Mike
Rogers with us tonight here on the Ed Show, appreciate your time.
GOLD: Thank you Ed.
SCHULTZ: Very well played (ph), thanks so much.
ROGERS: Thanks Ed.
SCHULTZ: You bet. Hilary Clinton is going to announce her candidacy this
weekend. She`ll be an Iowa on Monday. I will be an Iowa on Monday
covering the campaign for the first day and a report here on the Ed Show on
Monday evening at 5:00 P.M. Eastern.
That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz.
"PoliticsNation" with Reverent Al Sharpton starts right now. Good evening
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