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Show: POLITICS NATION
Date: April 14, 2015
Guest: Amanda Renteria, Ed Rendell, Karen Bass, Melanie Campbell, E.J.
Dionne, Karen Bass, Melanie Campbell, Angela Rye, Josh Zepps, Stephanie
Miller

AL SHARPTON, MSNBC: Good evening, Ed. And thanks to you for tuning in.
We start with developing news. Hillary Clinton in Iowa facing voters for
the first time since announcing her campaign. It`s a big test, but the
theme today, small. Starting with a low-key visit to a coffee shop, she
met kids and their families and she did her best to avoid the media frenzy.
Clinton`s now famous Scooby-Doo van sending reporters sprinting for a
glimpse of the candidate. It drove right by headed to a roundtable with
students at a community college where Clinton talked about why she`s
running.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The deck is still stacked in
favor of those already at the top. And there`s something wrong with that.
There`s something wrong when CEOs make 300 times more than the typical
worker. There`s something wrong when American workers keep getting more
productive as they have and as I just saw a few minutes ago is very
possible because of education and skills training, but that productivity is
not matched in their paychecks. And I`m running for president because I
think that Americans and their families need a champion, and I want to be
that champion.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Today`s event was very different from Clinton`s first Iowa trip
eight years ago when she held a traditional campaign event, a rally with
hundreds of cheering supporters.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: I`m running for president, and I`m in it to win it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: In 2008, she finished third in the Iowa caucus, but now she`s
starting out with a campaign launch that looks and feels very different.

Joining me now is Amanda Renteria, national political director for Hillary
Clinton`s campaign, Hillary for America, in her first -- in Amanda`s first
TV interview since Clinton`s announcement. Thank you for being here.

AMANDA RENTERIA, NATIONAL POLITICAL DIRECTOR, HILLARY FOR AMERICA: Thank
you for having me.

SHARPTON: Amanda, what`s the strategy with this low -- more low-key
rollout that we`re seeing now?

RENTERIA: You know, this is really about meeting people where they are.
We know that we`ve got to work hard. We`ve got to earn it all, and that`s
what she`s doing. And she likes this stuff. She`s out there in the van
getting to know people, getting to see people, getting to connect with
them. And that really does make a difference for our campaign and who we
want to be and who she is.

SHARPTON: She says she wants to be a champion for the American people. By
her doing this van ride and this people tour of Iowa, is this showing, in
terms of the visuals, that she really wants to champion the people on the
ground?

RENTERIA: That`s right. You know, and when you look at her first video,
it was about other people. It`s always been about other people and the
fight on the ground. And that`s really what she`s doing here, not just in
the commercial but in listening to people and meeting with people. It`s
really about them. And that`s about a good part of this and she`s enjoying
it. We`re enjoying it. And we`re going to keep doing this. This is how
you earn a vote, one by one, person by person, and that`s what she`s
doing.

SHARPTON: Marco Rubio used his announcement to go after Hillary Clinton,
saying she`s a leader from yesterday. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Now just yesterday, a
leader from yesterday --

(AUDIENCE BOOS)

RUBIO: -- began a campaign for president by promising to take us back to
yesterday. Yesterday is over.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: I mean, this is going to be apparently the main line or one of
the main lines of the GOP. How is the campaign going to respond to that?

RENTERIA: You know, she`s talking about the future, and when you do look
at yesterday, you look at all the fights she`s been waging long before this
campaign. Whether it was helping kids make sure that they got education,
disabled kids, and she went door to door. When she`s been fighting for
healthcare for kids and for moms and for women. That`s who she is, and
what we`re working on now, what she`s working about and talking about is
the future. And so when I hear something like that, you say, what is she
talking about, what is she doing? And by the way, what has she done to
prove that she`s always been there fighting for people? And so I look
forward to it. I know she looks forward to talking a lot more about what
the future holds and how we want to be a part of that with everyday people
right on the ground.

SHARPTON: Now, the Republican and right-wing attacks, I`m sure are
expected, but we also see some progressives like Elizabeth Warren and Mayor
Bill de Blasio of New York have been noncommittal about the campaign.
Here`s what Senator Bernie Sanders said today.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I), VERMONT: Why don`t you tell me what Hillary
Clinton is campaigning on. Do you know? You don`t know, and I don`t know,
and the American people don`t know. So it`s premature. I do know what the
issues are and what we have to do. But I can`t comment on Secretary
Clinton until we know what she`s saying.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: How does the campaign energize progressives like Elizabeth
Warren and Bernie Sanders?

RENTERIA: So, she`s always been fighting for folks, and I think when you
look at her record, when you look at what she`s doing, how she`s doing it,
I think there`s going to be no question whether or not she`s fighting for
progressive values and whether or not she`s fighting for the people on the
ground. A key part of what she`s talking about is the economy in the
middle class and making sure that we`re helping people stay ahead, get
ahead, move forward, and you`re going to hear a lot more about that from
her. So I`m completely confident that she`s going to be in the right
place. And it`s going to be exciting people. And from what we`ve heard
from this rollout is people understand exactly where she comes from and who
she`s fighting for.

SHARPTON: If she were to be successful, she would be the first woman
president in the history of this country. How much of that historic
significance is the campaign going to use?

RENTERIA: You know, I think it`s out there. I think what we got back from
young girls and everyone who has seen this happen is they`re seeing someone
who can do it. Someone who has the qualifications, the hard work, and is
really there. So we do see an excitement about it. And at the same time,
she`s fighting for everybody. You know, the idea that everyone deserves an
opportunity and that everyone should be able to reach their God-given
potential, that`s about everybody coming to the table including women. And
you do see women reaching out and getting excited, but you see folks across
the board doing the same thing. And we`re really excited about that, and
she is too. And you`re seeing it on the ground as they go chasing the
Scooby van.

SHARPTON: The Scooby van. Well, I know from my days running, Iowa is
about touching as many people individually as you can. A lot of people
analyzing that never ran in Iowa. Amanda Renteria, national political
director of the Clinton campaign, thank you for your time.

RENTERIA: Thank you for having me here.

SHARPTON: Now, I want to bring in former Pennsylvania Governor and DNC
Chair Ed Rendell and MSNBC`s Abby Huntsman. Abby, you`re a republican.
From your side of the aisle, how did the Clinton rollout strategy look?

ABBY HUNTSMAN, MSNBC CO-HOST, "THE CYCLE": How does it look? Look, I
found the video to be beautifully edited. It wasn`t about her at all. It
was about American families, when they are happy, when they are working,
the country is working. I thought that all played out very well. And she
has the right tone there, and wanting to be the champion of every day
Americans. The problem that I see that could potentially happen here is
she has to potentially be somebody that she`s not. She has to relate to
the everyday American, which she`s not. She`s not the average American.
Right?

She also has to be someone that is outside of Washington which she`s also
not. So, she has to be careful not to be the Mitt Romney this time around.
When we see her driving in this Scooby van or ordering burritos at
Chipotle, these are things that she wasn`t doing a year ago. So, the
question is, as voters try to figure out, can I relate to Hillary Clinton,
will they see this as being authentic? Will they see this as being phony?
That`s why the progressive loves someone like Elizabeth Warren. Because
right away you know she`s authentic. She could go order a burrito and no
one would question that. This is going to continue to be a challenge for
someone like Hillary Clinton.

SHARPTON: Governor, Hillary Clinton may have been successful at some point
in her life but she was an average American once and she was an ordinary
American once. Won`t that be hard for them to make her Mitt Romney?

FMR. GOV. ED RENDELL (D), PENNSYLVANIA: Sure. And she came from a modest
background. And she fought for everything she`s gotten. She`s been a
spokesman for women. Her speech in China when she confronted the Chinese
government was just an incredibly brave and progressive speech. Her
championing healthcare back in 1994, remember, healthcare, universal
healthcare as a progressive issue, who was the first person to try to bring
universal healthcare to America? Hillary Clinton. Progressives have to be
mature about this, too. Is Hillary Clinton going to agree with
progressives on every issue? No. But is she going to be mostly in the
progressive camp? Is she going to do something about income inequality?
Is she going to raise the minimum wage if she becomes president?
Absolutely.

So I think she`s off to a great start. I think she is a real person.
She`s proved that throughout every step of her career. Listening to her
when she started out running for the Senate, you know that Rev because
you`re a New Yorker, it was brilliant and it resonated with New Yorkers
upstate who were inclined not to be for Hillary. So, I think she`s off to
a great start. I think she`s having fun. If I would give one piece of
advice to Hillary Clinton, two years ago when she was thinking about this,
I said if you do it, have fun. Have fun.

HUNTSMAN: Right. You know --

RENDELL: Make it a crusade.

SHARPTON: But Abby, one of the things that is never fun is the media. I
mean, she`s going to have intense --

HUNTSMAN: That chase today was unbelievable.

SHARPTON: I mean, well, look at this video of reporters chasing Hillary
Clinton`s van. It went viral. It played out on MSNBC. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: They`re going around to the back so we`re not going to -
- you can see the media running behind me here to chase the Scooby van.
She`s going around to the back.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Wow.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: All right. And we`ll see her very soon.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Guy in the orange pants is pretty quick. Alex, I mean,
I`m looking at these people. Wow! All right. Orange pants, he`s really
outnumbered now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Abby, has any candidate ever faced this kind of media scrutiny
and media frenzy that Mrs. Clinton is about to face?

HUNTSMAN: I have never anything quite like that. It reminds me though
when my dad was running last time because this is just what a campaign
life. Is like, if you`re down there on the ground, the governor can
probably speak to this too. I mean, there are reporters everywhere and
they will do anything they can to catch you. I remember Rachel Maddow,
sure you remember this, she had a hood over her head in a bag pack on it,
she was trying to get my dad. It`s a funny thing and I was watching her
and she was amazing, she waited for the right moment, grabbed my dad,
pulled him aside. I mean, you`ve got to do your job as a reporter in these
situations.

And we know that Hillary Clinton has an iffy relationship with the press.
My advice would be you have to embrace it. This is the life that it is.
She knows that. You got to take it on. And it`s not just this "SNL"s of
the world with Kate McKinnon who has been able to nail Hillary Clinton. I
would say go on "SNL" with her because she`s painting her in a light that
she doesn`t want to be painted right now, very much out of touch. Go on
"SNL," have some fun, laugh at yourself. Self-deprecation is probably the
best thing you can do right now.

SHARPTON: Or do what I did, have "SNL" come to you.

(LAUGHTER)

But three republicans have already announced they`re running in 2016. More
than ten others look interested in running. Governor, one of the few
things that unites them is their opposition to Hillary Clinton. Don`t
these candidates need to articulate what they`re for, not just what they`re
against?

RENDELL: Well, sure. And first off, they`ve got to win the semifinal and
the semifinal is the republican nomination. They`ve got to win that
nomination first and they better articulate what they`re for and it`s a
very difficult task for them because your typical primary republican voter
as you know, Rev, tends to be very conservative.

HUNTSMAN: Right.

RENDELL: So, you`ve got to articulate your position, and that is to appeal
to them, at the same time realizing that if you are successful and get the
nomination, you`re back in the fall where the average voter is not so
conservative and not so radical. So, it`s a tough line for them to walk.
And they can bash Hillary because that resonates with the base and Hillary
has got to let -- I think Abby is right. Hillary`s got to have fun and let
that roll off her back and not respond to every, you know, piece of
criticism. But the republicans have a tough task as well to win the
nomination without alienating independent voters in the fall. It`s a tough
task and Mitt Romney failed.

SHARPTON: Abby, obviously they`re trying to say that Hillary Clinton --
there was an article in Politico today -- is not your average American, but
average Americans are different in different regions, different genders,
different races. And isn`t it kind of risky to act like average American
is a mono length? And who on the republican side has the ability to
understand the diversity of average Americans better than Hillary Clinton?

HUNTSMAN: Yes. I think we like to judge people on the surface sometimes
and they`re often much deeper than they appear. It`s interesting when
Rubio talks about not wanting to go back to policies of the past, he`s also
hitting on someone like Jeb Bush who given the rules he cannot be a vice-
president for Jeb or vice-versa. So, a lot of these folks on the right are
going to have to duke it out against each other. They`re all trying to be
the man or the women of the people, they`re all trying to reach out to the
middle class. And as the governor is saying this is going to be a
challenge because in the primary they`re going to be pulled so far right
but then you have to have a message that`s broad enough that appeals to the
average American. Right? I mean, when it comes to gay rights for example,
on science, I mean, there are number of issues that immigration is a huge
one. When whoever the nominee is is ultimately going to have to change --

SHARPTON: The easy ones, climate change --

HUNTSMAN: Right.

SHARPTON: I mean, the easy ones they`re not doing well. Governor Ed
Rendell, Abby Huntsman, I`m going to have to leave it there. Thank you for
your time.

HUNTSMAN: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: Make sure you catch Abby on "THE CYCLE" weekdays at 3:00 p.m.
right here on MSNBC.

Straight ahead, collision 2016. Hillary Clinton`s vision to help every day
Americans versus the one percent theory of economics. We`re live in Iowa.

Plus, the Senate took a vote last night, so what is the holdup for Loretta
Lynch`s nomination for attorney general? Mitch McConnell talked about it
today, and it doesn`t pass the smell test.

A Tulsa, Oklahoma deputy charged in a fatal shooting tonight turns himself
in. Tonight, growing questions from the victim`s family. Please stay with
us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Breaking news from Capitol Hill. A key Senate Committee has
approved a bill that could head-off a potential showdown between Congress
and the White House over a deal to stop Iran`s nuke program. Today`s bill
would let Congress review that historic agreement and potentially vote on
lifting sanctions. The White House had initially opposed similar
legislation but now says President Obama would sign this compromised bill.
It heads next to the full Senate for a vote.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Today in Iowa Hillary Clinton began laying out her economic
vision, making it clear that fairness will be at the center of her campaign
strategy and her GOP rivals are trying to hit the same note.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: Let`s ask ourselves an honest
question. Do we really believe that the wealthiest Americans need to take
from younger, hardworking Americans?

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: My parents achieved what it came to be
known as the American dream. The problem is now too many Americans are
starting to doubt whether achieving that dream is still possible.

FMR. GOV. JEB BUSH (R), FLORIDA: Restore a sense that everybody has the
chance to rise up in this wonderful country of ours.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: They`re talking the talk, but they`re sure not walking the walk.
Chris Christie spent today talking about scaling back Social Security and
Medicare. Jeb Bush is getting his economic advice from the guy who
designed his brother`s tax cuts for the rich. And Marco Rubio is still all
about repealing the Affordable Care Act. And think about this, today`s
equal payday, meaning the average American woman would have to work until
today to earn what a man earned by the end of December. All of these
republican contenders either voted against fair pay bills or vetoed them.
And here`s what Jeb Bush said last fall when asked about an equal pay bill.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Do you think Secretary Land should support the Paycheck
Fairness Act?

BUSH: What is the Paycheck Fairness Act?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: He didn`t even know what it was. Voters next year will demand
better answers and better policies.

Joining me now are E.J. Dionne from "The Washington Post" and MSNBC`s Joy
Reid live for us at the Clinton event in Iowa. Thank you both for being
here.

E.J. DIONNE, "THE WASHINGTON POST": Good to be with you and Joy.

JOY REID, MSNBC NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Thanks, Rev. Thanks, E.J.

SHARPTON: E.J., do republicans think voters will buy their newfound
interest in fairness and equality?

DIONNE: Well, you know, before we deride lip service which a lot of this
is, I think it`s really important that suddenly economic inequality is an
issue that republicans have to talk about. Ten years ago a lot of
democrats were worried that if they talked about economic inequality it
would sound too liberal. And now this issue is important to enough
Americans that they are trying to deal with it themselves. Now, what you
said in the setup piece is right about their saying one thing but not
necessarily doing it when they vote on legislation or act as governors.

And I think the tests is, one of the tests is going to be this budget they
are pushing through Congress which pushes not against inequality but
actually would make us more unequal. Marco Rubio has taken some steps on
supplementing the pay of low income folks, but it`s packaged as part of a
bill that we give a lot more money to very wealthy folks, so they have a
lot of explaining to do. But I still think it`s better for the country
that everybody at least feels some obligation to talk about inequality
finally.

SHARPTON: Joy, you`re in Iowa where Hillary Clinton was making a pitch for
middle class policies. What was the reaction like?

REID: Yes. And I think Rev, Hillary Clinton`s message was received very
well. I mean, she had a pretty friendly audience of students as well as a
high school principal and members of the community college here, leaders of
the community college because the message she was talking about was really
about the middle class. It was about making college affordable, allowing a
single mom to be able to afford to take classes at a place like Kirkwood
community college and also hold down a job. I mean, she was talking about
bread and butter issues and issues that it was difficult to take issue
with. And I think because she was in that mode that listening to her mode
where she was interested in what the people here had to say and she was
listening as much as she was talking, I would say that her launch here at
Kirkwood was actually very well received.

SHARPTON: E.J., no matter what republicans say, we already have a good
idea of what their eventual nominees` policies would be. Paul Krugman made
that point in this week`s "New York Times." The democratic candidate will
want to protect entitlements, the republican will want to cut them. The
democrat will want to keep the Affordable Care Act, the republican will
repeal it. The democrat raise taxes on the wealthiest, the republican will
want to cut them. And while the democratic candidate will try to fight
climate change, the republicans will try to block climate change bills.
It`s pretty stark differences, isn`t it, E.J.?

DIONNE: I think that in the last couple of elections we have seen the
starkest differences between the parties that we`ve seen in a long time
because the republicans have moved well to the right of where they used to
be just to take two of those issues. Back in the `90s, a lot of
republicans were pushing healthcare bills that looked a bit like the one
that President Obama signed. Now they`re against it. A lot of republicans
is recently as 2008-2009 were saying climate change is a problem, we have
to deal with it. Now they can`t talk about it because there`s a kind of
veto power in the Republican Party, from the oil and gas industry and
others that you can`t talk about climate change. And I thought that
Krugman column was good in another respect, which is that in campaigns we
talk a lot about sort of presentation and I`m sure we`re going to hear an
awful lot about how Hillary Clinton dresses, irrelevant stuff like that,
when the differences, the issues that matter to people are very stark and
Krugman suggested and I agree that that`s what we need to focus on.

SHARPTON: Joy, let`s get back to Iowa. I want to play something Hillary
Clinton said about inequality in this country. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: There`s something wrong when hedge fund managers pay lower tax
rates than nurses or the truckers that I saw on I-80 as I was driving here
over the last two days. And there`s something wrong when students and
their families have to go deeply into debt to be able to get the education
and skills they need in order to make the best of their own lives.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Hillary is sounding a lot like President Obama, Joy, but she`s
talking about unfair tax rates, but republicans don`t want hedge fund
managers to pay more. Won`t that be a difference in this election? They
won`t back up their tack with inequality -- about inequality?

REID: Yes, and I think it`s interesting that as E.J. said, the whole terms
of the debate have moved to a much more progressive playing field so that
you have Hillary Clinton who if you just remember a few short years ago,
the Clintons represented the new democrats which were the democrats who
were trying to make the Democratic Party more centrist, more conservative
basically but even she now is sounding as you said a lot like Barack Obama
when he talks about middle class economics and she went on to say that
we`ve come a long way from digging out of his deep recession and that I
don`t want to see the people who disagree with our strategy for getting us
out of this hole taking back over.

And I think when she says that though, she didn`t name any republicans by
name, I think that does set up what you were talking about, Rev which is
that you`re going to have republicans talking about income inequality but
they`re still selling a package of what they would call reforms that have
to do with lower taxes for people at the top. So, that`s going to be a
substantive debate that I think Hillary Clinton will now be on a more
progressive side of than she probably would have been five or ten years
ago.

SHARPTON: I`m going to have to leave it there. But Joy, did I see a lady
in a pink sweater and a black and white dress running behind the Scooby
van? That`s not your image, Joy.

REID: I was inside -- yes, I was in the building. I was not running.

SHARPTON: I didn`t think so. I didn`t think so. E.J. Dionne, Joy Reid.
Thank you both for your time tonight.

DIONNE: Good to be with you.

REID: Thank you. Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, growing outrage over the GOP`s refusal to vote on
the Loretta Lynch nomination. We`ll tell you what Senator Mitch McConnell
claims is holding up the vote.

Also a 73-year-old reserve deputy turns himself in for using a gun instead
of a taser on a suspect. But tonight, the victim`s family still has
questions. That`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Developing news tonight, an update on that shooting in Tulsa,
Oklahoma where a reserved sheriff`s deputy says he accidently shot a
suspect who later died at the hospital. Seventy three-year-old Robert
Bates turned himself in today after being charged with second degree
manslaughter. He posted bond and was released. Body cam video shows the
moments leading up to what the reserve deputy says was a mistake. After he
grabbed a gun instead of a taser. Warning, this video is disturbing.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Roll on your stomach now!

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Stop fighting.

(Gunshot)

ROBERT BATES, VOLUNTEER RESERVE DEPUTY: Oh, I shot him, I`m sorry.

ERIC HARRIS, SUSPECT: Oh. He shot me! Oh my God! He shot me! Oh, my
God!

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Stop fighting.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Bates` attorney says they`ll fight the manslaughter charge in
court, while the family of the victim, Eric Harris, wants to know how such
a mistake could happen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD SMOLEN, HARRIS FAMILY ATTORNEY: You`ve got to see, there`s no way
an officer can get this confused for this.

You`ll see that Mr. Bates has a yellow taser strapped to his chest. He has
a 357 revolver in his right hand.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: This still frame from the video appears to show the taser the
family`s lawyers are referring to. It`s a story that`s still raising lots
of questions. We`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: The Senate is back for a second day of work after vacation, so
where is the Loretta Lynch vote for Attorney General? She has the votes,
so Senator Mitch McConnell, what`s the holdup today?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), MINORITY LEADER: We`ve been reaching out to
our friends to work with them to end the democratic filibuster of this
human rights legislation. The Senate can pass this bipartisan bill right
away and as soon as that happens we`ll turn to the Loretta Lynch
nomination.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Oh, maybe then you`ll turn to the Lynch nomination. He`s
refusing to bring Lynch`s nomination to a vote until democrats pass an
anti-trafficking bill with controversial anti-abortion language. Today
Senator Curran (ph) will offer an alternative that would change some
language, but none of this matters. Forget tying or changing anything to
the bill. It`s time to put Lynch up for a clean vote. She`s waited 157
days, and it`s not hard. Just last night the Senate unanimously confirmed
its first federal judge. Look at that, schedule a vote and then take a
vote, it`s not a hard concept. But as republicans play politics in fantasy
world, in reality is having a real effect. The Justice Department is in
partial limbo after Loretta Lynch awaits confirmation. Major decisions are
on hold. So forget the talk, forget the politics, and schedule a vote now.

Joining me now are Congresswoman Karen Bass, democrat from California and
Melanie Campbell of the National Coalition of Black Civic Participation.
Thank you both for being here.

MELANIE CAMPBELL, NATIONAL COALITION OF BLACK CIVIC PARTICIPATION: Thank
you.

REP. KAREN BASS (D), CALIFORNIA: Thanks for having us on.

SHARPTON: Congresswoman, why aren`t we seeing a clean vote? I mean, what
is this about?

BASS: Well, I think it`s about what it`s been about from day one which is
how can we stop everything that President Obama wants to move forward. The
irony this time though is that they have to decide, they want to get rid of
Eric Holder. Eric Holder is ready to go. I think he has done a fabulous
job. Well, if you want him to leave, you know, go ahead and confirm the
next nominee. Go ahead and confirm Loretta Lynch. So I think they`re kind
of caught between a rock and a hard place. They want him to go but yet
they won`t move the confirmation forward. There`s absolutely no reason in
the world they can`t just do a clean confirmation vote.

SHARPTON: Melanie Campbell, we saw them come back in from recess. They
did not schedule a vote. Many people all over the country have been
calling for this vote. We see them go, as I said in the intro, and confirm
a federal judge just like they could have voted for Loretta Lynch that
simple is how they did the federal judge. Is this like sticking their
finger in the eye of the American people?

CAMPBELL: Well, we`re going back on Capitol Hill tomorrow and continue to
urge Senator McConnell to leave. We`re going back with the women of faith
and women of good conscience to really urge Senator McConnell to do the
right thing and call for that vote. He has the power as the Congresswoman
has stated. He can do this vote at any moment. We are really concerned
that she has waited another two weeks since the Easter recess and it should
have been one of the first things they did. And as you said, he could just
do it at any second.

SHARPTON: Well, you were in New York at the National Action Network
Convention and all the civil rights leaders said they would go as well
after the women of faith who started this. Have you heard anything from
when the women of faith went before the recess from McConnell, have you
heard anything from his office before you go back there again in the
morning?

CAMPBELL: No, sir. We had not heard anything over the recess. We did
hear something just right so I actually came on this call, on this show
that the stuff like to meet with us, we asked for a meeting with Senator
McConnell. We would like to take a couple of minutes to talk to him about
our concerns tomorrow. We`re still going to urge him, we`re going to be
praying on the hill again as we did two weeks ago for Senator McConnell to
step up and lead and for the other senators to go ahead and take that vote.
Loretta Lynch deserves it.

SHARPTON: We need action. I understand (INAUDIBLE) --

CAMPBELL: Yes.

SHARPTON: But Congresswoman, the L.A. Times reports this delay is hurting
the Department of Justice. Quote, "Promotions and policy decisions at the
Justice Department have been put off. Announcements have been slowed to a
trickle. Congress is waiting for input on the agency`s budget priorities."
I mean, this has to stop, doesn`t it?

BASS: Well, right. It absolutely does. And it`s really important to look
at the implications for holding this up. Because as you mentioned, major
policy decisions, you`ve seen the reports that Attorney General Holder has
come out with, where they were talking about Ferguson or other policy
issues, and he can`t move forward on those things. The Department can`t
move forward when you`re in the middle of a transition. So this is just
not just unfair to Miss Lynch, this is unfair to the American people and
it`s absolutely unacceptable.

SHARPTON: Mr. McConnell says that they`re working on language on the human
trafficking, sex trafficking bill, and then he would go to the Lynch vote
and maybe would work it out. Why does it have to be attached to a bill,
Congresswoman? Why are we holding a bill hostage? It`s unheard of. We`re
talking about the attorney general.

BASS: Well, also let me just tell you, this sex trafficking legislation,
the sad thing is, is that this was completely bipartisan. I have a bill
that`s in that package, voted anonymously out of the House. So, we are
hurting people by holding up the sex trafficking legislation in addition to
the damage that`s being done to the Department of Justice.

SHARPTON: Melanie, Michigan State Senator, Michigan Senator, U.S. Senator
Debbie Stabenow had called for a vote on the Senate floor. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: We`re not asking that someone vote yes if they want to
vote no. They have the right to vote no. We`ve had enough members now
come forward that it`s clear she actually has the votes. We have had
enough members indicate they were a supporter that we know that if we could
get a vote on the floor that, in fact, she would be confirmed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: There you see the picture of John Ashcroft and the days that it
took to confirm him and what we`ve already seen and counting on Loretta
Lynch. Forty two days and John Ashcroft had a lot of questions about him
and about his ability to be a fair attorney general. There`s no charges
against Miss Lynch by the republicans. We`re at 147 days and counting and
she has the votes. One man is stopping this, Melanie Campbell.

CAMPBELL: Thank you, Rev. She would be the second woman to hold that
position. First African-American woman. And we asked the question why
Loretta Lynch? What`s different about Loretta Lynch? It`s not her
qualifications. She`s exceptionally qualified. She`s done all the things
they`ve asked her to do. She has the votes. So, as the Congresswoman
talked about sex trafficking, neither one of these issues should be tied to
partisan politics. They really need to step up and lead and go ahead and
take that vote and give her that vote on the floor.

SHARPTON: Congresswoman, she`s qualified, no controversy. They`re holding
a bill hostage. They`re trying to use this as an attack on this president.
This is absolutely outrageous when you think of all of the things from
terrorism to other matters that this nation needs to have an attorney
general dealing with, and this is absolutely an affront to the American
people. If I sound passionate about it, it`s because I am.

BASS: Well, I think that we are, too. And remember now, remember who`s in
charge. Remember what was said seven years ago that they were going to do
everything they could to make sure that this president was not successful.
So you can just chalk this up to a long list of examples like this.

SHARPTON: Congresswoman Karen Bass, Melanie Campbell, thank you for your
time tonight.

CAMPBELL: Thank you, Rev.

BASS: Thanks for having us on.

SHARPTON: Coming up, "All in the Family." What role might Chelsea have in
the Clinton campaign?

Plus the video of the day, "Conversation Nation" is next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Time now for "Conversation Nation." Joining me tonight,
political strategist Angela Rye. HuffPost Live host Josh Zepps. And
Sirius XM radio host Stephanie Miller. Thank you all for being here.

ANGELA RYE, POLITICAL STRATEGIST: Thank you, Rev.

SHARPTON: We start with new comments from Jeb Bush in Ohio talking about
Hillary Clinton just moments ago. Here it is.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We had a Hillary sighting. She`s
been found en route to Iowa. That`s good.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: All right. So, what do you make of that?

BUSH: This is a long haul, and if I go forward, we`ll have a plan. It
will be about, you know, me and about the ideas that I have that hopefully
will allow people to rise up again.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Angela, Jeb not attacking Clinton, at least in this context.
Are you surprised by that?

RYE: I`m not, and at least not right now, Rev. Of course Hillary Clinton
just announced she was running yesterday or Sunday, so he has some time to
build up what his arguments will be against Hillary. Right now he wants
folks to focus on him and he needs to focus on raising campaign money.

SHARPTON: Well, Marco Rubio didn`t mind jumping a day after, Stephanie.
This is two days later. So does this mean Jeb is going to handle this
campaign differently than his protege, or should I say former protege?

STEPHANIE MILLER, SIRIUS XM RADIO HOST: You know, I`d like to comment,
Rev, but I think I dosed off during that sound bite of Jeb Bush talking.

(LAUGHTER)

SHARPTON: That`s why I went to you.

MILLER: He`s just as scintillating a speaker as I`ve heard he is. I don`t
picture that many reporters running after him to catch his ever thought.
There could be a charisma deficit here that I`m waiting with baited breath
for his first comments about Hillary.

SHARPTON: Well, we`ll get to the report as rushing behind him. Josh, is
there a contrast there between Rubio and Jeb Bush`s response? Is it
strategy? Is it maturity, or he just didn`t feel like doing it today?

JOSH ZEPPS, HOST, "HUFFPOST LIVE": I think it`s part strategy, it`s part
maturity. I do think it`s a pretty good play. He`s got 19 months to bash
her around the head. He doesn`t necessarily need to get into it right now.
But I think we should also remember that maybe he does come from a wing of
the Republican Party which is somewhat less fire brand than some of his
colleagues. So, I think it`s both strategic but it also probably reflects
something about the Bush DNA, which love it or hate it, at least it`s a
little bit less extreme than Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Rand Paul.

SHARPTON: Now, will Hillary Clinton`s run be a family affair? Bill
Clinton said he would primarily be a back stage advisor, but what about
Chelsea? She`s taken on a more public role in recent years quoting the
Politico, she is, quote, "Poised to become a major figure in the campaign
and if her mother makes it there at the White House."

Angela, can Chelsea have a real impact in this campaign?

RYE: I think Chelsea already has had a real impact. You can look at what
her whole career path has been like and I think that the fact that she
chose to go to the private sector, that she chose to create some distance
between her parents and her college choice demonstrates that she has a draw
to this particular type of passion and that is political passion. I think
she`s also demonstrated her ability to make a difference with the Clinton
Foundation. So, I think that she overwhelmingly is listened to by both of
her parents and I think we`ll definitely we`ll see, I`m a huge imprint from
Chelsea in this campaign.

SHARPTON: Josh, a public role by Chelsea good or bad?

ZEPPS: Bad I think. I`m one of the few people who thinks that she might
be detrimental to the campaign.

SHARPTON: Why?

ZEPPS: Well, I mean, I think the way that Hillary has to play it this time
around is being the loving grandmother, not being arrogant, not being --
autocracy, not seeming like she`s inevitable. I mean, Chelsea, you know,
it`s impossible for Chelsea to avoid the specter and the shadow of the
Clinton presidency of her parents. I mean, when she`s kind of this
Princess Diana figure, when she`s having a $5 million wedding, when she`s
wearing a vera wang dress and vera wang -- to the wedding, that`s catered
by the Saint Regis, when she`s got these ties with the Clinton Global
Initiative and she`s going next month to Morocco, to a big even that`s paid
for by the King of Morocco, it`s bad optics. You know, if Hillary wants to
be a woman of the people, then Chelsea doesn`t help.

SHARPTON: But Stephanie, she`s been valuable. She`s been out on a lot of
work the foundation has done that`s been very credible. How is that not an
asset?

MILLER: Well, I was just going to say, I know it`s not as exciting as the
Bush twins, not as much partying, not as many as DUIs. But I think she`s
fantastic and what Josh is talking about is she`s very successful in her
own right. She`s incredibly intelligent, Stanford, Oxford. And I love
that her mother, the most powerful woman in the world, listens to her.
There`s a great piece of one of those articles Rev that you`re talking
about, where her mom is telling a story on the campaign trail and Chelsea
goes like this to say, mom, stop eating, stop telling the story while
you`re eating. And her mother listens immediately.

SHARPTON: Well, let me say for the record, I don`t intend and I don`t
think anyone should, republican or democrat, attack the kids. I think
there are roles we can interpret but I don`t think we need to get personal
with anyone`s family.

Finally, my favorite video of the day, reporters run after Hillary
Clinton`s Scooby van. Roll it one more time, please.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: You can see the media running behind me here to chase
the Scooby van. She`s going around to the back. Wow. All right. And
we`ll see her very soon.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Guy in the orange pants is pretty quick. Alex, I mean,
I`m looking at these people -- wow. All right. Now, orange pants, he`s
really outnumbered now by all of the people that are racing around the
back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Josh, I could see you in orange pants, but I can`t see you
running behind.

ZEPPS: Oh, lord. Oh, lord. Oh, lord.

SHARPTON: Aside from that, what do you think of the strategy?

ZEPPS: All I can think is, we`ve got 19 months -- seriously we`ve got 19
months of this. It`s just exhausting. Orange pants or no orange pants, I
wouldn`t be running after the Scooby van.

SHARPTON: All right. Angela, would you?

RYE: I would not run after the van, Rev, but I love the media haze of
today. I hope she has more coming. This is great. Keep everybody on
their toes.

SHARPTON: Stephanie?

MILLERS: It was just like a Scooby-Doo episode. Scooby, where are you?

(LAUGHTER)

We missed her getting a sandwich, those meddling kids. This is going to be
great.

ZEPPS: Who gets unveiled as the evil secret genius at the end? That`s
what I want to know.

SHARPTON: Well, we will stay tuned. That`s for sure. Angela, Josh, and
Stephanie, thank you all for joining the conversation tonight. We`ll be
right back.

RYE: Thanks, Rev.

MILLER: Thanks, Rev.

ZEPPS: You bet.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Still ahead, one year after hundreds of girls were abducted by
terrorists, what do we know about their fate? Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Finally tonight, a somber one-year anniversary in the "Bring
Back our Girls" movement. One year ago we first learned of the mass
kidnapping of 276 school girls from a Nigerian town by the Islamic
extremist group Boko Haram.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: A nightmare for the parents and extended families.
Some of the girls taken from this school may have already been sold into
so-called marriages for a few dollars. Meanwhile areas schools have been
closed, exactly what the terrorists wanted. A tragedy for the missing and
all the children in Northeast Nigeria.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Last year a Twitter campaign with the hashtag "Bring Back our
Girls" attracted vocal advocates like First Lady Michelle Obama, Ellen
DeGeneres, and Alicia Keys. But despite the attention, Nigeria has been
unable to locate the girls. Only a handful have escaped, and over 200 are
still missing. Their fate is unknown, and we as a world community should
not accept that. We should still do everything to bring these girls home.
Imagine if that was your daughter or mine. Would we want the world
response to be?

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.


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