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Date: April 28, 2015
Guest: Dutch Ruppersberger, Catherine Pugh

THOMAS ROBERTS, MSNBC NEWS ANCHOR: Hi, everybody. Good afternoon from
Baltimore. I`m Thomas Roberts in for Ed Schultz tonight on the Ed Show.

And we are live, right now, at the intersection of North Avenue and
Pennsylvania Avenue here in Baltimore City where two different protesting
groups are merging together.

Rob (ph), if you can turn around and face that way going up Pennsylvania
Avenue, you can see this group that just coming in.

We`re in front of the burned out CVS where there were rioters and looters
last night that set this CVS ablaze and it seems to be right now that this
intersection has become more of a protesting party atmosphere, as we have
music in the background and two different groups that are merging here,
right in front of the CVS, coming from different directions on Pennsylvania

Now, right over here on the corner is the burned out CVS and people are
literally going in there taking pictures, video. They`re just walking
through and touring it. It was a place that a police and fire department
were here earlier saying that this properties condemned.

You can see the big red sign on the front door but that`s not keeping
people from going inside and taking a look, and it is completely burned

The smell of acrylic products and the turret (ph) ceiling and things that
are falling out of the ceiling, the wires, it`s a complete wreck on the
inside. But there are volunteers in there that are trying to mop up the
mess that was created from the fire department coming in and putting out
the structure fire, but also from all the products that were burning

You can imagine a fully (inaudible) CVS when this was looted late last

NBC News` Gabe Gutierrez is here with me on the site. We chatted earlier
today. This has changed dramatically in just a couple of hours since we

GABE GUTIEREZ, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, right. We were just over
there, you can see the riot police, you know, they`ve been for several
hours right now. And the people that have been standing here earlier,
there was a little bit of tension as they were upset that there was such a
heavy-handed police presence but there were mostly pretty peaceful
throughout the afternoon.

But as you can see, there`s kind of a little bit more of a celebratory
atmosphere here right now. They were seem be singing. They want to focus
back on Freddie Gray. They want the violence that happened yesterday to be
put in the past. They want to really change the narrative to bring and
shift it back to Freddie Gray.

And as were mentioning, Thomas, the CVS pharmacy, people have been coming
here throughout the day and volunteers cleaning up debris and moving it
out. And they really want to show that this isn`t just a bunch of thugs
that had the violence here yesterday, they want to show these are members
of the community that really care about it. And then really want to see
their community, take your hero and that`s what they hope. They hope that
there is no more violence tonight.

And they`ve gathered here. There have been no major clashes with police.
There are been some institute of water bottles being thrown at the state
police. It`s a very minor clashes of people run away but the most part has
been very peaceful here.

ROBERTS: So as you said, the word "thug" that`s something that the Mayor
used last night. We are waiting for a press conference from the Mayor and
the police commissioner. We`re going to take you there live as soon as
that happens.

But we`re less than five hours away now from the mandatory curfew that
begins at 10:00 P.M. tonight here in Baltimore City and goes until 5:00

The only conditions where people can break that curfew is medical or for
work reasons.

You were talking to volunteers out here today. Did any of them talk about
the curfew or bring up, feeling and heated upon because of the curfew?

GUTIERREZ: A few did. A few of them feel it. And, listen, they are
residents of this community, they are adults here. They don`t feel that,
you know, the curfew will really do much to them. It`s really hurting them
whereas the violence yesterday was perpetrated like you said, the Mayor and
other officials have referred to this as thugs. So they don`t feel that
this is something that, you know, that the rest of the community should be
allowed to be out here, you know, overnight.

ROBERTS: And you`ve seen this slowly but surely fill up throughout the
afternoon with more and more people.

GUTIERREZ: Well, they were several hundred people here earlier. I don`t
have an accurate count here right now.

Earlier, they were bunched up (ph) that you can, you know, show where the
riot police is here. Earlier, they were bunched up (ph) right in front of
the police. That is mostly state police. There are Baltimore City Police
there as well.

But earlier, there were many -- a lot more people stationed there and now,
they kind of disperse a little bit. They move through another part of the
block. There is, as you can hear, music playing very loud in the
background. People are yelling about. People are protesting for doing so
in a very peaceful way and in really, again, we want to focus the shift
back to Freddie Gray on the questions surrounding his death.

ROBERTS: People are really -- a crush of (ph) police presence here and
we`re seeing the militarized vehicles. I noticed that there were some that
have been brought in from other counties as I was driving here from my
other location over by the church and the senior center rather (ph) that
was burned down at Federal and Gay.

I saw military vehicles of Prince George`s County that have been assigned
to come here and I know the Baltimore police earlier today. Thanks to the
regional, local and National Guard effort that has come out to help
reinforce the streets tonight.

GUTIERREZ: Well, the National Guard is very visible as he driving to town
especially in the downtown area. We`re not seeing them so much here in
West Baltimore but in the downtown area, hundreds of National Guard`s men
were very visible today making sure that they were seen and that their
presence was felt.

Again, some residents here feel that the heavy police presence is on
warning (ph). They feel that this is, you know, just too much and, you
know, they`re cracking down now and not normally trusting the community to
take care of itself.

On the other hand, there are some residents that we saw walking up to the
police and thanking them for being out here and for keeping the peace.

So definitely, a lot of different opinions today, we spoke with several
gang members earlier today and they say, they are denouncing the violence.
They are actually coming out and speaking out and denouncing the violence
together from rival gangs and they are saying that is not represented their
community and that the violence we saw yesterday had nothing to do with
Freddie Gray. That`s the message they want to get out there.

ROBERTS: Meanwhile, from the police department, they had issue the
statement saying that there was a credible threat that was levied against
the police department that rival gangs in the city had put down their
grudges to unify against the police but they deny that.

GUTIERREZ: And they strongly deny that.

They say, listen, this is not about violence even though many people around
the country would argue and brought it up with them. They are associated
many times in violence but they say, they say that they want to focus to
remain on the mysterious death of Freddie Gray and they don`t appreciate
the gang member say that they had nothing to do with the violence
yesterday. And that they`re not all about attacking police. That`s not
why they are out here.

They want this death to be investigated. That`s what they say.

ROBERTS: Well, we are still waiting on the press conference coming from
the police commissioner and the Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake.

Again, just to reset the scene, Gabe and I are right here at the
intersection of Pennsylvania and North Avenue in West Baltimore. The CVS
is right behind us, the one that you saw on fire last night.

We`re less than five hours away from this mandatory curfew that`s going to
into effect this evening, starting at 10:00 P.M. and last until 5:00 A.M.

But Rob (ph), if we can just turn around and show, like I said, is this
unique protest party atmosphere where we have music and we have a
collection of people coming together either with bullhorns and signs, all
trying to be heard not -- I don`t know if they`re working organizationally
but they know that this is a collective point for people to come out
because there is a crash of media here and there is also the police

Just across the street, you can see one of the militarized vehicles over
there and also the police and their riot gear. They were on both sides of
the streets as we try to approach. We had to go around the long way trying
to get through, there wasn`t a direct to access point to get in here.

GUTIERREZ: It is very difficult to get in here as you said a crush of
media here, hundreds of people have been here throughout the day. And as
we mentioned, the CVS behind us about an hour ago fire fighters came here
and there were reports of a small fire that have popped out at the roof of
that building. They said that the air conditioner on that roof had begun
to collapse and some sparks actually it came up and so they poured water on
it protectively.

But again, that`s sort of a lot of anxiety here. You know, another fire
fighters rushing here very quickly, so I was wondering what happened, was
there another some type of fire. And they said -- we`re told, it`s not the
case, it was just a precaution in measure.

But thirdly, with this many people here, with this many reporters all lives
are in this part of Baltimore right now.

ROBERTS: I`m looking around, I`m trying to see -- excuse me, excuse me.
I`m Thomas Roberts from MSNBC, do you mind if I ask you a few questions?


ROBERTS: Why did you want to come here tonight?

REEDY (PH): I live in Washington D.C. and I used to live here and what I
heard about what had happened, I just want to come out here and supply

ROBERTS: What`s your name?

REEDY (PH): My name is Robin Reedy (ph).

ROBERTS: Robin. So, you saw this on the news and now you see this.
Describe this for everybody at home, I`ve been trying to describe it as
almost a party like atmosphere for the protesters that have gathered to
have their voices heard, what`s your impression?

REEDY (PH): Well, my comment is that it said that it had to come to this
but it is unfair with what the police are doing, and what they are doing,
and how they get away with it. And so it`s unfortunate that young people,
this is their way of expressing themselves whether it`s wrong or right.
And it`s not right at all to destroy anybody`s property but at the same
time, I feel for them because this is the only way they know how to express

ROBERTS: But as someone who lives over Washington D.C. you felt safe
enough to come over to Baltimore tonight after what you saw on T.V.

REEDY (PH): Oh sure. No doubt. No doubt. I used to live here.

ROBERTS: So what do you think is going to happen tonight the Mayor has
instituted a curfew, do you think that`s going to help the situation?

REEDY (PH): It could help the situation but now whether or not everyone
will abide by that. That`s a whole new different story. We have to wait
and see.

ROBERTS: All right. Robin (ph), thanks so much. I really appreciate you
taking time to talk to me.

So that`s a unique perspective from someone who traveled over from
Washington D.C. to be a part of this moment in history, and moment in time.
Most of the people that you spoke to today that we`re here to clean up,
they were community members, residents here.

ROBERTS: Yeah. Many residents here, this area really drew a lot of people
from just the surrounding area, people that lived here for decades really,
and they just -- really just hard to see what happened yesterday. This was
an attack on their community and, you know, they pulled up right here.
They see into the CVS, and if you could just see it, our video from
earlier. This afternoon show that they were -- there was just so much
debris, so they just came in here piled on and just -- and drove it out of

Now, you can see there are residents peering into the CVS, trying to, you
know, take a look at some of the damage. And that the hope is that, the
violence that we saw yesterday would not happen tonight. And, again, the
curfew or the big controversial for some, there are some people that think,
listen, well, you know, what good does it do it now? There were some
people that asked the question why wasn`t instituted yesterday. And the
Mayor said, in order to have a curfew that was enforceable, that they
needed to give some notice.

So right now, there is just a -- I won`t say anxiety as you see around
here, it`s a bit of celebratory atmosphere in a way but they are hopeful
that we`ve seen the last of the violence. And that`s were most of the
people here will tell you.

OK. We`re looking at the CVS and looking my correspondents Toure and Joy-
Ann Reid standing right there. Yeah. No.

I want the shot of the CVS. So just get out of the way. Yeah. Please,
help me.

Look over here. No, I want the shot of the CVS actually because the thing
that amazes me is the fact that people can walk in there with the red
condemned sign right on the front of it, and they are not heeding any type
of warning about the fact that it`s condemned. Most people are walking in
there and taking video and pictures.

I`ll admit it. I, myself, walked in there and took video. So I can send
the back to the studio so we can get that on the air for later. I mean,
and we look down here -- Rob (ph), can we shoot this way? We can show
everybody. They`re taking pictures and using their cameras to document
this moment.

Again, this is taking place right at the intersection of North Avenue and
Pennsylvania Avenue in West Baltimore. And last night, the images are
starkly different to what we are seeing right now where people, community
members have come out in advanced of the curfew tonight to gather, to have
their voices heard, somewhat bullhorns, some just with signs.

As Gabe was pointing out though, we have seen this heavy police presence
and it is combined not just with the local Baltimore City Police Department
but also with regional forces and the National Guard that was activated
after the Governor declared a state of emergency yesterday.

You can hear the choppers that are flying overhead, and a huge media
presence that`s descended on this part. I`ve been in three different spots
today in Sandtown, the neighborhood of Freddie Gray, and then, over at the
Southern Baptist Church location where the Senior Center was burnt. But I
haven`t seen anything like this.

GUITIERREZ: Right. The media presence has been huge partly because the
crowd was just so large. Earlier on this afternoon, many has dispersed a
little bit now but there was some thinking that, you know, if there was
going to be some clear off today, that this might be the spot. There was a
little bit of tension earlier on today between the crowd and some of the
police that were there.

However, you know, that -- thankfully, you know, nothing came of that.
There was not major clear off or anything like that but the media was here
to document that and to check and see if that happen.

At the same time, we were very fortunate and if we can, you know, hand over
here, you know, see not just reporters but other community members and
throughout here. We have been able to see people here gathering. And
earlier, there were volunteers that were here cleaning up this debris in
front of CVS. So I think that coupled with the police standing right over
there with the volunteers standing right over here, that through a lot of
reporters throughout the afternoon time.

ROBERTS: The community members, do you have a chance to speak to this
afternoon. Again, I was about changing the narrative. I don`t know how
much room we have here to move around but I`m trying to catch some of these
people that are out here in the streets so we can actually talk to them.

But Gabe was talking to people and I had a chance to talk to kids earlier
today, young leaders in this community that wanted to change the narrative.
They didn`t want a few bad actors that the world witnessed last night
rioting and looting in Baltimore to dominate the headlines.

Now, of course, we`ve been waiting for answers from the Baltimore Police
Department in the death of Freddie Gray. He was taken into custody on
April 12th and allegedly through injuries received at the hands of the
police died a week later in the hospital, in a coma. And since that time,
we haven`t got an answers but it was yesterday that Freddie Gray`s family
laid him to rest and it was on all accounts, a beautiful service that was
attended, well-attended by many members of the community who knew the Gray
family but many activists and also policy makers here, in around Baltimore
City in Maryland that wanted to be there to support the Gray family.

Then, after school got out, roughly around 3:00, that`s when we know things
started to go south around Mondawmin Mall, and then we saw different
packets (ph) explode here in Baltimore City overnight with the fire that
happened directly behind us here at the CVS.

So if we can make our way, I`m going to try to -- Rob (ph), make our way
out into the crowd. Let`s see if we can talk to somebody`s -- do you mind
if I talk to you really fast? I`m Thomas Roberts from MSNBC, can you come
over here? What`s your name?


ROBERTS: From MSNBC. What`s your name?

DANIELLE (PH): Danielle (ph).

ROBERTS: Danielle (ph), do you live here in Baltimore City?


ROBERTS: So, why did you want to be out here right now?

DANIELLE (PH): I just came out here to represent my city and just to let
everyone know that, you know, Baltimore isn`t this bad place. We really do
come together when we need to, and this is the time that we really need to
come together and show support for our city, for the family of Freddie
Gray, and to let American know that we do want justice.

ROBERTS: When you say that you want justice, what type of message do you
think it`s sends to the world when we`re waiting on that justice and due
process from the police investigation that we see residents last night
looting and rioting in this city? Does that represent the population of
this city?

DANIELLE (PH): No, it doesn`t. But my question to you is when we were out
here protesting all last week for six days straight peacefully. There were
no news cameras, there were no helicopters, there was no riot gear, and
nobody heard us.

So now that we burned down buildings and set businesses on fire, loot a
building, now, all of the sudden, everybody wants to hear us. Why does it
take a catastrophe like this in order for America to hear our cry?

This, I mean, enough is enough. We had too many lives lost at the hands of
police officers. It just enough is enough.

ROBERTS: We`re waiting right now for a press conference from the Mayor of
Baltimore Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, and also the police commissioner. As a
resident of the city, what`s been your impression of how they`ve handled
this case since they had to announce that Freddie Gray died a week after
being taken into custody?

DANIELLE (PH): I think they could have done a much better job of handling
it. I think they`ve had plenty of cities around America who have served as
examples of what not to do, and I think that Baltimore is a lot better than

The people of Baltimore want transparency. We still don`t have answers to
what happened in the van. And, you know, even after all these, we still
don`t have the answers that we need. So I mean, what more is it going to

ROBERTS: So, let`s go right now to that press conference with the Mayor
Stephanie Rawlings-Blake and the police commissioner. They`re about to


everyone. Thank you for being here. Last night was a very rough period
for our city but today, I think we saw a lot more of what Baltimore is
about. We saw people coming together to reclaim our city, to clean our
city, and to help heal our city.

I think this can be our defining moment, and at the darkest days that we
saw yesterday. I spent the morning talking to residents I`ve visited along
North Avenue where residents were cleaning up and try to get comfort to
people who know that their lives are going to be disrupted in major ways
for a longtime because of the damage that was done to their community.

I saw the damage that was done to Mondawmin Mall and it breaks my heart
because those of us who are from Baltimore know how hard we fought for
those resources and those stores to bring good quality products and items
to our community, and to have those stores destroyed mom and pop
(inaudible) destroyed senselessly. They are working to recover.

I also visited Lexington market where vendors are desperately trying to get
back to normal in dealing with the damage that was done was they -- as

I want to sincerely thank the Baltimore City Police Department. And I want
to thank all of our other law enforcement partners who we have had in our
city over the past week.

Commissioner, you`ll going to have to give all the counties who have been
here because I can`t remember but I know that several counties in Maryland
has -- we have -- they have send us resources over the past week, and
they`ve been extremely supportive. And I`m very grateful for that.

I`m trying to think about missed anything.

And also, I should have started here but all end here. I want to thank the
members of the community not just the ones that you see here behind me but
the ones that you haven`t seen or won`t see that have spend all day
yesterday, all day today trying to figure out how we can come together as a
city, how we can heal. We have churches that are opening themselves up to
be a sanctuary and a refuge giving young people who are out of school, a
place to go and something to eat.

We have, you know, so many in our community who are looking for ways to
come together to heal. So I want to thank all of them and give a few
community members an opportunity to give remarks.

The first I would like to ask Mark Washington, the Coldspring Homestead
Montebello Community, Mark.

COMMUNITY: Hi. My name is Mark Washington. I`m an Executive Director of
Coldspring Homestead Montebello.

And while we staying here as a district group of community leaders or
representatives, I want everyone to know is that we stand united as one
Baltimore. If we hear the cries, the frustration, the anger, we understand
quite clearly that things need to change in Baltimore City.

But what we saw last night was not reflected of the majority of the city or
the majority of youth in the city. We saw individuals take advantage of
the situation and use it for their own cause. What they did was to try to
diminish the legitimacy of the grievances that we do have in this city with
the Baltimore City Police Department.

I want to make it clear to everyone that not only do I stand in unison with
these community leaders here, but I`m standing unison with this Mayor, as
we all move together forward for a better and true our Baltimore. Thank

RAWLINGS-BLAKE: Thank you very much. Thank you.

Next, I`d like to ask Mike Barb. I know I saw you somewhere where`s Mike.

They`re active in the Sandtown Community and with Habitat for Humanity,
Mark -- Mike, sorry.

you, Mayor.



RAWLINGS-BLAKE: I know its Barb.

BARB: It`s been a long week to understand -- Well, so my name is Mike Barb
and my title, my day job is Chief Officer Programs and Community Engagement
for Habitat for Humanity of the Chesapeake.

But I`m also a resident of Sandtown-Winchester Community for almost the
past 10 years. And so, in the story of the Sandtown-Winchester Community
goes a little bit like this, you know, since 1968 my neighbors in Sandtown
have been working to rebuild from the stories we all know following Dr.
King`s assassination 50 years ago. And it`s, for me, it`s a little bit
personal to the extent that I was born in Baltimore in 1968 just a few
months after that horrible time in our history.

But our community -- I`m so proud of my neighbors today particularly for
stepping out and I work it so hard to reclaim the community particularly
from those who are trying to destroy it. We know these issues behind
everything that were face with this week, are very, very complex. We`re
certainly not going to solve those overnight.

But from a community perspective, what we are looking for is opportunities
to facilitate these conversations, the dialogue about these really
difficult issues. You know, we understand issues of race and social
justice in American history context are very, very deep are very, very
complex, and so that`s very much a part of where we are today and (strive)
a long way to go.

But from the community`s perspective up to the extent that I would feel
comfortable speaking on behalf of my neighbors -- I apologize. It`s just
the -- you have to -- we got -- I have such deep admiration and
appreciation for the sense of community in Sandtown-Winchester Community,
and this is a very critical time.

But, again, today I was so proud to see everybody out and cleaning up
standing up, standing up to say this is not right in terms of destroying
our own community and we won`t go backwards, we won`t go back to 1968.
We`ll use this as an opportunity to continue the hard conversations and
grow, and continue the rebuilding effort that`s been going on for a
longtime. Thank you.

RAWLINGS-BLAKE: Thank you. Thank you very much, Mike.

And last before open up to questions, I`d like to ask Mr. Terrill -- where
are you? Thank you very much for being here as well and standing in unity
with our communities

BALTIMORE: Thank you.

RAWLINGS-BLAKE: Tell me your communities.

TERRILL: I`m Mark Terrill, the President of The Associated: Jewish
Community Federation of Baltimore.

And let me start by saying I love this city, and I love all the people that
are rallied and support of making sure that we could pass this. It`s clear
the change must occur and that injustice corrected. But that needs to be
done in a civil and resolute way and I know that we have the right people
together to make sure that we could pass this to be an even stronger

So I thank everybody for being here and for everybody working towards a
productive goal so thank you, Mayor.


Again I wan to thank all of the community leaders who love our city so much
and are willing to standup, and to help us get information out, and to help
us to rebuild. And just thank you.

I think I`m turning it over to the commissioner.


RAWLINGS-BLAKE: I believe so. I think so. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I`m sorry.
It`s been a long day. I like to turn it over to Commissioner Batts, he`s
going to a give us a public safety updated and then we`ll open up for
questions. Thank you.

thoughts before we get started.

You know, my Mayor takes a lot of shots and she`s courageous enough to
standup and lead the city. You know, I`ve been doing this job for a
longtime and I have been standing in front of microphones like this in news
conferences way too many times. And I`ve lived to a riot of Rodney King,
I`ve live through riots in the Oakland and I`m living through amend (ph)
the city of Baltimore. And when these things happen, this pain, this
trauma takes place in the community, you don`t always see the richness of
the community.

These people who are standing behind me, these are the people of Baltimore
that I know. People who care, who love the city, were very good people and
had do lot for this community. When you`re from Baltimore, you`re from
Baltimore that something that`s in your DNA and, you know, the same time as
I see behind this cameras my officers boarding that bus behind you, they
love Baltimore too. I have officers come up to me and say, "I was born and
raise in the city. This makes me cry". And one of my officers came and
said, "I went home and cry last night. This is sad part of my city".

But I think what you`re seeing today within our community also is people
out celebrating and trying to heal this community.

It`s clear that what we have to do is change the culture within the
Baltimore Police Department, and something that we`ve started on two and a
half years ago and doing things totally different, bringing this community
inside this police department, taking a police department and sitting down
and reading to 5, 6 and 7-year-old young kids, bringing athletics and
making police officers called -- coaches. We have more to do but we can`t
do it this way by destroying this beautiful city. We have a lot of things
that we need to change and what we`re really to work that direction.

Very shortly, we have OK day-to-day, we had a small events that took place
on the eastern portion of our city early this morning, that resulted in
couple of arrest. We had some opportunist going to a couple of businesses.
But overall today, it has been a very good day as very please to see North
and Pennsylvania, we had dancing, we had people celebrating, we have people
bringing calm and peace. We have one or two people that acted up that we
made two arrests that there up there before the most part the city has been
calm today.

People may ask also and put the question, why didn`t you move faster
yesterday? Did you prepare yesterday? Yes, we prepared. We had over 200,
300 police officers out there around that mall at the time that it took
place. Why didn`t you move faster? Because they`re 14, 15 and 16-year-old
kids out there. Do you want people using force to 14, 15, 16-year-old kids
that out there?

And they`re old enough to know better. They`re old enough to know not to
do those things. They`re old enough to be accountable but they`re still
kids, unfortunately. And so we had to take that in account while where out


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sir, you`ve had a number of people -- So obviously
had number of people still on the street, (inaudible) a number of hours
now, we have a little bit about as (inaudible) curfew (inaudible) what
would exactly (inaudible)?

BATTS: We, we are continue to put information out on social media, from
the Twitter.

I would ask that you guys continue to put information out and make sure
that community is aware. We have no exceptions other than for medical
accommodating going from work that we will be stopping people who are out
after curfew, that we`re taking that seriously. We don`t want to engage
any forceful action whatsoever. We have the National Guard here.

We also have state police and multitude of other agencies outside from New
Jersey, even from D.C. as well as multiple counties in the state of
Maryland. So we`ll be out in strong numbers in making sure that we do have
no issues within our city and we ask everybody to cooperate and be
understanding at this point in time.

I know it`s a little -- it trills people up who want to go out and have
dinner and different other events, but as we move forward to come on our
city have a little patience with us as we move forward for this.



BATTS: We have no new intelligence but also we had one gentleman who shut
it off just last night, (inaudible) North West. But we deal with threats
on a common basis, that`s the reality of policing.

I don`t want to focus on that. I rather focus on the fact that we have
these wonderful citizens behind us and the Mayor standing there and they
are willing to be the (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... of the Saturday`s protest was ended pretty badly
at the end of the night. Announce today and its circulating flyer same
thing for a protest here this coming Saturday. Is the city prepared for
that? And how is the city respond to that?

BATTS: We are putting -- we are bringing in a lot of resources. They
continue to come in.

Like I said, from other states, Jersey, Pennsylvania, also from Washington
D.C. area, so our numbers are growing with the National Guard here, state
police here also, our numbers are growing and hold to keep the city quiet
and to make sure that everyone is safe.

You know, it`s the same thing when people come inside come out from
outside. There is one thing when people are saying we have pain within our
community. There`s one thing when people say we want this police
organization to change. And since they pay our salary, we need to change,
to adapt to other citizens (inaudible) here.

But when people come outside and hurt this community, and then when it`s
done, they leave and go home and then we`re at shattered infrastructure,
it`s just not the right thing to do.

So what I`ve been told is that activist within our community, ministers
within our community are trying to have conversations with people who are
leaving this stuff to remind them. This is where we live. This is where
we worship. This is where our kids go to schools.



BATTS: I think probably that there was a social media false thing that
said, come out to Mondawmin Mall at 3:00 and we`re going to do a purge.
The only thing I know about purge is a movie that`s a part one and part two
about running on a rampage. The kids came out of high school so I guess
you could make a corollary about some of those kids being out here at that

Also that that Mondawmin there is also a hub for about, I believe, it`s
about eight different schools. So, on a daily basis, we have big numbers
of kids that drop off their on constant basis. That`s just one, its one
high school that was there.

When we started making mobile field force movements there, there were buses
in line and they let the kids off the buses so we had even greater numbers
that grew up there.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... New Jersey and Pennsylvania even National Guard, do
they have arrest power to Baltimore City or how do that work? And are you
concerned about coordinating all of that and keeping them inline with the

BATTS: Well, my responsibility as the instinct commander that oversees all
these responsibilities within the city of Baltimore is to make sure that
they act at the level that we have expectations with our citizen`s
assistant and our residents.

So we`re working through that. I just had a conversation with the colonel
of state police where we discussing how to make sure that we operate
appropriately and by the same procedures.


BATTS: I`m sorry one more time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s the latest on the injured police officers from
last night?

BATTS: I went -- we had a number of police officers and I have to check on
the fire fighters. I had about 15 of our officers and a lot of them were
bruises from -- bruises on their hands from rocks and bottles been taken
ahead. One Officer, Brian (ph), who was in the hospital, I went to see
him. He got struck in the head now he was healed overnight because he had
to do scans to make sure there wasn`t any permanent damage. I hear that he
is doing well. All the rest of my officers have been treated in and
released at this point in time.


ROBERTS: All right. So we`ve been listening to the Mayor of Baltimore
City Stephanie Rawlings-Blake along with the police commissioner and other
officials that are overseeing. They are policing of the city now that we
are less than five hours away from the mandatory curfew. It will go into
effect at 10:00 P.M. tonight and last until 5:00 A.M. in the morning.

That`s going to on instituted at least for a week. That is according to
the Mayor, maybe last defending on how the situation is under control now
that the National Guard, as you just heard from the Mayor there, the
regional and local forces that are in a mass (ph) here in the city of
Baltimore trying to help tonight not look like the chaotic scene that we
saw last night.

I`m still on the scene here at the corner, in the intersection of
Pennsylvania and North Avenue where protesters have gathered peacefully
walking around in front of the burned out CVS. We all know those images
that we saw last night.

This is the CVS where people are now just walking with their cameras and
talking video and pictures, and seeing for themselves. Well, volunteers
are actually in there mopping up the filthy water, mopping up the burned
products and trying to get that CVS back on its feet.

All of their own accord, there isn`t really any organizational structure
from the city being led to help clean up this area. It`s being done by
people in here within the Baltimore City community.

I want to bring in the conversation now, Congressman Dutch Ruppersberger
from Maryland of the 2nd District.

Congressman, I know you had an opportunity to hear what the Mayor was
saying and the city police commissioner. How does that make you feel
knowing that there has been concern about this type of activity moving from
Baltimore City and the Baltimore County? Do you feel they have it under

REP. DUTCH RUPPERSBERGER, (D) MARYLAND: Well, first thing, let`s talk
about the city. I was born in this city. I went to high school in this
city. I raised my family and we are in the area that -- area I represent
is surrounds this city but also I have a part of the city, so (inaudible)

But when I went to bed last night, it`s all the fires and by the way, a lot
of people thought by putting the fires away, they were -- the whole city
was on fire then really it was. And when I woke up this morning and by the
way, you saw the people of Baltimore who live in the communities, they were
affected last night. You know, it was very hurting to see them cleaning up
saying "this is our city" and that`s what Baltimore is about.

You know, you going to knock this down, we`re going to get right back up
and we`re going to take back our city away from those hoodlums who (just
perished) who we are and what we are in this city.

I think that that now that we have the reinforcements that are needed as
extremely important because, you know, when you do break the law, when you
do attack police officers, you attack citizens, you attack people`s
property, law enforcement must standup, and they must arrest, and stop it.
Because if you don`t, if you on the fire and it grows and grows, and I
think now, that those individuals who did those things understand that
there is consequences and that`s what we need to do, not only in Baltimore
but in the entire country because protecting innocent citizens and their
families is one of the most important because that we do.

ROBERTS: Congressman, I think most people will agree with you about the
police and the honor of the badge to protect and to serve.

The catalyst of all of these, it seems to have been born out of the
injuries that Freddie Gray allegedly sustained while in police custody
after his arrest on April the 12th and then his death a week later.

Are you satisfied with the way that the Mayor and the Baltimore City police
had handled their investigation and the information that they`ve been
putting out to the public?

RUPPERSBERGER: Well, let me say this, you`ve raised -- yes, you have
raised two issues. First, we need to talk about where we got here and
secondly, about how the mayor handled it. But the Mayor is in top position
and she is in a position trying to do what she feel that is right with her

Now, I`m going to let other people make judgments on that. But I want to
talk about is how we move forward and how we fix this. When you talked
about Freddie Gray and how this started. There`s no question, there`s a
lack of trust between a lot of people especially in the Baltimore community
and the city police department.

And what we have to do there is to make sure that we evaluate all the facts
and data not only on this case but, you know, what goes back as far as the
issues and how they`re -- had been other problems in this regard.

The good news is that we have federal state and local government, and the
Justice Department is also coming in to make an evaluation to make
recommendations to make it different.

But what it really coming back to, I was a former county executive at
Baltimore County which is my jurisdiction is around the state, it`s larger
than the city. And the issues is that, there needs to be trust and
developed relationship between our police department and the people who
live in the area and if it`s not that trust that the police department has
some excellent people and this man and woman put their lives in the line...


RUPPERSBERGER: ... everyday but if they are not putting...

ROBERTS: But if you will recommend building trust -- Sir, if you recommend
building trust what would say to the people in Baltimore City that are
aggravated that they don`t understand why a 25-year-old healthy man was
taken into custody by police for what they thought was a reasonable
suspicion and is then dead a week later after being in their custody for 45

RUPPERSBERGER: And that`s our legitimate cause and that`s one of the
reasons that we have the issue we had now. But I would say is that the
Justice Department is involved, you have a new attorney general, Loretta
Lynch, who is coming to Baltimore and by the way our congressional
delegation is having a meeting with her in about 15 minutes to talk about
this issue, and talk about status of the investigation.

And when that investigation is complete, there will be no rocks that are
not -- and we do not look under. We`ve want to make sure that we get the
facts of the data because there`s so much stake here for the credibility of
Baltimore, of our police department, and also the perception of the people
that they can feel safe and look at our police department as police
department is going to protect people, and also in the service business to
be able to work with the communities not just to go after people in the
communities. And that`s perception that has to be overcome.

ROBERTS: Finally, Sir, last but not the least for the counties that your
represent in the 2ns District outside of Baltimore City, do you feel that
you can let those residents know that they can rest easy tonight that the
suspicion or the fact that there was some social media for purge to move
into the county, that people are safe, that they don`t need to worry about

RUPPERSBERGER: Well, you always worry when you see what`s on the media. I
can say this, you know, as a former county executive and I was a former
prosecutor, I know the Baltimore County Police Department, I know
(inaudible) County Police Department (inaudible). I know these police
departments, and they all worked together as a team. And a lot of these
police officers are working to help the city right now.

But the bottom line is that we have backup, that we have our National Guard
who is excellent, over 5,000 National Guard led by Major Singh who have a
lot of confidence in.

You know, we need to restore order, and that what`s happening right now.
And also, my specialty is intelligence. We need to get intelligence to
make sure we can protect in any situations because there`s always going to
be crime unfortunately. But when it comes to rioting and looting, I feel
very, very strong with purge thing that we don`t have any intelligence that
this going to happen in other areas. But if it is, we will standup and we
will stop it immediately. That we need to make sure that people know they
can be safe in their homes. They`re not -- they call law enforcement and
we have the backups now.


RUPPERSBERGER: We have more backups now in this area when this issue of
what`s happening in the city, and we`ve had, probably -- 1968 when we had
our unfortunate riots then after...

ROBERTS: The riots then. Yes.


ROBERTS: Congressman Dutch Ruppersberger, Sir, thanks for making time for
me. I really appreciate it. We`ll going to let you get off. See you here
for the meeting that you said you have...


RUPPERSBERGER: ... take advantage of what we have to move forward.

ROBERTS: Yes, sir.

RUPPERSBERGER: Bye. Take care.

ROBERTS: Thank you, sir. Take care.

We are still live here on the streets as reset (ph) for you. That was
Congressman Dutch Ruppersberger, 2nd District of Maryland. But we remain
in the active area where people have come out to peacefully protest right
here in front of the CVS that we saw on fire last nigh. They`re actually
touring inside of it. Right behind me is the intersection of North and
Pennsylvania Avenues here in West Baltimore. And I know we have a
collection of people that we`ve been ask, to talk to.

Can I grab the mic back?

And I think -- are you lined up to speak to me? Excellent. Good.

I`m Thomas, what`s your name?

VICO (PH), PROTESTER: I`m Vico (ph).

ROBERTS: Vico (ph), so why does you want to be out here tonight?

VICO (PH): The protest. I mean, I`ll take a strike. We deserve justice.

ROBERTS: When you say you deserve justice, what makes you think that you
are being stonewalled in getting that justice?

VICO (PH): It`s a matter of just the social economic status that we`re in.
I mean like the opportunities and stuff. I mean, what -- specifically, I
want to start to square one as far justice for Freddie Gray. I mean that -
- it, you know, the conviction, we need to see the cameras, everything. I
mean, that`s one might (inaudible), that`s where I want to focus so much.

ROBERTS: So, the transparency and they talked about wanting to demonstrate
that a lot from the Baltimore City Police Department of having a
transparent and informative dialog with the community, do you think they`ve
been transparent enough?

VICO (PH): No. I mean, informations been slow getting out. And we stood
and we know what fully happened. I mean, it`s been over what we can have
and we still don`t have like official reports. I mean, you`ll be having
special reports?

ROBERTS: We`re due to get one on May the 1st which is coming up this
Friday. But it was April 12th that Freddie Gray was taken into custody and
he died a week later, he had to be in police custody for 45 minutes.

NIGEL (PH), PROTESTER: That`s to be questioned while was in (inaudible) to
this man.

ROBERTS: And what`s your name, sir?

NIGEL (PH): Nigel (ph).

ROBERTS: Nigel (ph), so, you`re a Baltimore City resident? Did you grow
up here?

NIGEL (PH): Born and raise. Yeah.

VICO (PH): Born and raise.


So, Nigel (ph) and Vico (ph). So, Nigel (ph), let me ask you, when it
comes to the presence of the community that you see tonight, the difference
that we`re seeing 24 hours later, what is that say to you about how
tonight`s going to go?

NIGEL (PH): I think tonight will go well -- and that rally (ph), I`m not
sure how tonight`s going to go. I hope it goes well. You know, what I
mean? Because, you know, people are furious. You know, we`re out here
right now doing this.

This is exactly what we -- what was needed but I can`t say that something
else is not going to happen. You know, because these young kids out here
and people -- and you don`t have nice that they are going to do with, you

ROBERTS: So, Vico (ph), let me ask you. When it comes to the curfew
tonight at 10:00, are you OK with that?

VICO (PH): For the young kids, yeah. I`m OK with that.

ROBERTS: And do you think that the Mayor say it may last for a week, is
something it`s necessary for the city?

VICO (PH): At this point, I think, yeah, that`s right but (inaudible)
going to happen. And it`s not really a big deal to me because, I mean, if
they`re not doing anything productive on the streets since no point in
really being out of the streets but our mission right now to protest, too.
I mean...

ROBERTS: What time are you going to be home?

VICO (PH): Tonight? And the curfew is 10:00, citywide but I`m in a county
right now, so I would probably be out a little later.

ROBERTS: OK. What...

NIGEL (PH): I think the children should stay in their house -- should be
in their house by night.

ROBERTS: OK. And you`re in the county, do you have any worries about this
going North? I mean there was some talk about alleged social media
conversations about it going into the county?

VICO (PH): I heard news that the West Baltimore County was set ablaze,
some damage happened out there. I mean, if you ask me, I`m not afraid
because they`re not going to come after me. They`re attacking businesses
and things like that. They want their voice to be heard. I mean, it`s the
thought that way to get that message across but you have to understand that
they don`t need feel unheard. And they -- it`s a hopelessness, a
frustration and it -- they can`t find it with expresses, so they expressed
it through negative means.

ROBERTS: Right. We normally wouldn`t say that word on cable TV but we let
it slide this time. Vico (ph), Nigel (ph), thank you, guys, very much.

I want to bring in the State Senator Catherine Pugh, and well, thanks.
Thanks for being here.


ROBERTS: What do you think when you see these?

PUGH: Well, you know, I think what you see here are people gathering
simply because they want to express their frustration. And I think, last
night, you saw a lot of that frustration. And I think, to see people
peacefully demonstrating is a positive thing for Baltimore City but I think
that what you`re hearing from people in the street is that they`re not
monolithic. You know, crime is not our only issue. But what they want
that police to do is to respect the community, respect the neighborhood.

And as I`ve said, consistently, for the media that I think, that one of the
things that we need to look at is whether we do psychological testing of
our police officers after appear to time on the job, on a regular basis
because people become incense. And when you don`t have enough cultural
diversity and training in your departments, I think it becomes an issue.

But more importantly, I think that as we look at this city and you see
those buildings over there, that didn`t happen yesterday or the day before.
Many of those buildings have been vacant for over 20 years. And people,
you know, walked out at their doors and they see this.

And I tell people the African-American community is not monolithic. We
need the same things that everybody else does. Job creation, economic
development, sharing of the wealth, and those are the kinds of things that
not happening in this particular neighborhood and in this community.

ROBERTS: So, systematically, explain to everybody -- I grew from Baltimore
County, my dad was in Baltimore City. So I was back and forth between mom
and dad tells a lot. So I remember when Mayor Willie Don Schaefer...

PUGH: Yes.

ROBERTS: ... did the Inner Harbor.

PUGH: Yes.

ROBERTS: There was supposed to be a big thing to bring everybody back

PUGH: But it is...

ROBERTS: ... and in the `90s, we got Camden Yards, and then, the process,
there`s been a gentrification, are we gentrification?

PUGH: But -- yeah. But what we did was -- and I think those who are great
things and they were absolutely necessary. But you`re talking about the
time of community`s development (inaudible) housing programs, and we did
them in downtown areas.

Why we didn`t do in areas like this and we`ve let this community vacant
for, you know, many, many years. And if you`re from Baltimore area, you`ve
seen this. You know? And you ride up in...

ROBERTS: (Inaudible) didn`t happen overnight.

PUGH: Yes. It didn`t happen overnight...


PUGH: ... but we got the picture because these people feel frustrated,
because their neighborhoods have been devastated for decades. And you got
people who`ve invested in these communities and stayed here and want to
stay here. But I tell you, the thing that hurt me most was to see
Mondawmin vandalized like it was yesterday because, you know, those are
people`s jobs. CVS, those are people`s job..


PUGH: ... and you got a senior building right next to it and you`re
talking about people not be enable now to get their prescriptions.

And so, I think, sometimes when we become frustrated, we don`t think about
the consequences. And yesterday, I stood on the corner across from
Mondawmin and I asked parents, I said, get your children. Come get your
children. And to see a mother come out and grabbed her son...


PUGH: ... and take him home and let him know...

ROBERTS: ... I think most parents...

PUGH: Right.

ROBERTS: ... like that.

PUGH: ... that this is not what we want you to do. And then, I asked
parents today, you know, not just to let them see this kind of thing but
also to go and watch the movie "Selma" so the children and people in our
city can understand that we -- our forefathers fought the civil rights but
they did it peacefully. And we just celebrated the 50th anniversary of the
Civil Rights Movement.

And, you know, we get things that we work hard together to do it but I can
understand the frustration.

ROBERTS: What`s the framework though? What`s your suggestion for how to
deal with this plate? And if you haven`t been in Baltimore, it`s a
beautiful city, what a beautiful...

PUGH: Yeah. They`re beautiful.

ROBERTS: ... homes with the white marble steps that people use to come
upfront and scrub all the time.

PUGH: Look, I live about 10 minutes from here in the neighborhood called
Ashburn, single family homes. You know, they`re very modest homes but
people care about their neighbors not just there, they care about them down
here too...


PUGH: But the gentrification that has occurred and the lack of development
in those areas concern people and some folks don`t understand that we need
you to come and invest in our communities.

And I think that what you`re going to see is more leadership development
going on in this city, because sometimes it takes, unfortunately, this kind
of cry from the public to say, "Look at our neighborhoods, see what`s going
on, understand our frustration."

Again, but the message is do it peacefully, steps will make it...

ROBERTS: Thanks, Senator. Thank you very much, I really appreciate it...

PUGH: Thank so much. I appreciate it.

ROBERTS: And I appreciate the fact that you know so much of the beauty of
this city and what it means and I look forward to what this change -- what
this is...

PUGH: What it can be?

ROBERTS: . going to represent, what it can be...

PUGH: What it can be?

ROBERTS: Absolutely. Thank you very much.

PUGH: Thank you so much.

ROBERTS: I want to bring in my colleague, Toure, come on in. you`ve been


ROBERTS: You`ve been out talking to the group...

TOURE: I have. And, you know, well, I saw that I was being crazy feeling
like this like a black party and then people said, "Yes. Its supposed to
be like that so make people feel comfortable and bring the tension down a
little bit."

And yes, the cops are right over there with military gear and military
trucks, but there`s a woman right there handed out chicken wings. There`s
people over there playing drums, there`s people over there dancing. So
yes, the mood is very intense and Freddie Gray is on people`s minds but
people want this to be like bring it down and feel a little bit better
about yourself, feel a little bit better about the moment.

And I mean this is a diverse crowd in terms of age in terms of race and
people are sort of try to build this is come together and they keep saying
to me we want the looting to stop and we`re going to use this sort of unity
moment to bring the energy down to where the looting doesn`t happen.

Now, they`re like we don`t know what`s going to happen when the kids come
through because you can`t reason with them but this could help the

ROBERTS: And it seems most people that I`ve talk to, they`re OK with the
curfew tonight at 10:00.

TOURE: Yeah. You know, I think they understand that the violence is bad
for the community, that they don`t want the CVS in particular ransack. I
mean somebody pointed out to me that when the CVS gets ransack that`s mean
that all kinds of crazy drug will be on the street this week, next week.
Who knows the impact of that?

So they don`t want that to happen they don`t want their community broken
down. So yeah, we have to send everybody in the house a little bit earlier
every night, good.

ROBERTS: When it comes to the military presence police presence, I mean,
it does look pretty militarize just over your shoulder over there have you
ever been surprise as you got on around the city today at where you`ve seen
the police presents as to where you have it?

TOURE: Yeah. Well, I mean, I`ve been talking to people and nobody really
understands why the police are right there, in a line, in a phalanx. I
don`t understand what that parameter is meant to protect. When we were
coming up, we were told, well, that to protect people to go back -- from
going back to the CVS. OK, understood that.

Then, we took we little side street and the CVS is right behind your
camera. So I don`t know -- so there`s a parameter here but I don`t
understand what they`re trying to protect or what they`re to do with that
parameter. People keep pointing out that that they keep taking steps in as
time goes on...


TOURE: ... so maybe they`ll try to disperse this crowd but this crowd is
more than peaceful. This crowd is trying to be united, and come together,
and have good feelings, move through this community at least in this spot.
So why they would try to make a move on this crowd I don`t understand.

ROBERTS: Yeah. And it`s interesting to watch this. We`re going to be
hearing throughout the night, Toure. Thank you, Sir.

Our colleague Chris Hayes joins us now on the telephone.

Chris, where have you moved to? You were on this location just an hour

Chris, are you there?

OK. We`ve lost Chris Hayes. Chris was on this location just an hour ago.
My colleague Joy-Ann Reid is also here on scene.

Joy-Ann, you`ve had an opportunity to speak with people that are in the
crowd. What are the impressions that they`re giving to you about what the
feeling is here?

JOY-ANN REID, MSNBC, CORRESPNDENT: Yeah. I mean I think this is what
people want us to focus on. I think that`s been unanimous sentiment from
this morning is that, people are saying, look, they are out here for a very
specific cause, it is about justice for this young men, young 25 year old
man whose life was taken. They feel like there`s been too much emphasis as
one young men said on 100 protesters versus 10,000 people who out here
protesting for Freddie Gray`s.

So they really want the focus to be on this movement which is extension of
this Black Lives Matter movement. And I think that people as one person
said, they`re not necessarily mourning buildings, they`re mourning people
and they`re mourning the people they`ve locked not just this one young man
but this the sense that there`s a systemic problem and no one is listening.

ROBERTS: Yeah. Also the bigger issue, not so much rebuilding the CVS, it
will get done but it`s rebuilding the trust of the police to the community
in which they serve.

REID: Yeah. And I heard not as all, of all the people that we talk with
today, express a lack of confidence, unfortunately, in law enforcement.
And that`s a really untenable position. I have a lot of friends that are
in law enforcement in Florida. It`s critical just for basic intel about
what`s happening in the community just to know the hopes (ph) from the real


REID: You`ve got to have that relationship. I didn`t get a sense if there
is a relationship really, there was sort a mix reviews of the Mayor but
some people saying they respect the fact that she`s trying. But there is a
sense of people feeling overwhelmed by the system. I definitely got the
sense from people that they do feel like the system is kind of stuck in a
way that it`s against regular ordinary people and that has to change.

ROBERTS: All right.

The one thing I have also that I want to bring up is the, the catalyze for
change not so much right now the intention being on the death of Freddie
Gray, it is on the looting and the rioting that happened last night, that`s
really where we need the attention to be.

REID: Yeah. And I spoke to one young man who said essentially that this
was just ignorant people in the community who took advantage of a

ROBERTS: Yeah, the process (ph).

REID: . but who had nothing to do with this movement. And that these were
people that just saw an opportunity to do something, you know, that with
external tool, what was happening here but then cast a negative light on
everyone else. Whether we got the church that we are this morning or out
here on the street, what people are really focusing on, what they want us
in the media to focus on is the fact that they are united in this idea of
rebuilding this community. And that doesn`t mean just police relation that
means jobs, it means that CVS being rebuild, not just to have the building
back but to have jobs come back, and as one person said not minimum wage
jobs but living wage jobs.

There`s high unemployment, high poverty in this community and a lot of
frustration about a broad range of things. And I think if this is a
catalyst for people to start to see change I think then it could be a good

ROBERTS: Not only if you want answers from the police, they want to know
that there`s a framework for hope and the city to rebuild itself has we`ve
been leaning for on the ground.

Here our colleague Chris Hayes was on this location earlier he`s moved on a
different spot. Chris, where are you now?

CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: We`re at, I think, this is another part
of West Baltimore (inaudible). I think they are pretty calm, frankly, the
kind of beautiful spring days. There was a march that came down
(inaudible) to have organize like some of the folks who are organizing that
Saturday march that had a huge (inaudible). If you remember there`s a
4,000 to 5,000 people marching Freddie Gray and actually march along the
same route down Pennsylvania ended up making its way down near the inner
harbor, around Camden Yards. That`s -- there was a bunch of marchers, do
hinges from bunch of local universities, John Hopkins (ph),among them.

But aside from that it`s very, very calm. I talk to a lot of people who
are really hoping that it remains calm, of course, there`s curfew that
start tonight at 10:00 P.M.

And, you know, it seems where you, Thomas, where I was just a little while
ago. There was a kind of generally (inaudible) and chill atmosphere I
would say that, you know, there`s a line of helicopter obviously. But
there`s a lot of hope...


HAYES: ... almost unanimous to what Joy said that that.

ROBERTS: Chris, standby for a second. Rob (ph), can we just shift the
camera up there, I just want to get this shot of this vehicles that are
coming in. They got their lights flashing it`s a sheriff`s small bus with
their lights on. There about 4 different vehicles that were coming our way
and they just stopped.

Now, the other one progressing to do a U-turn, maybe as well as the other 4
different vehicles, but I just wanted let everybody see that these are the
type of police vehicles, you can see they`re militarize vehicles that are
on the street. These are the type of vehicles that you can`t really see
behind the massive people over here on Pennsylvania Avenue but those are
the type of vehicles that are here with the polices. They`re lined up one
by one in a riot gear here on both sides.

Again, this is Pennsylvania Avenue headed this way, but this is North
Avenue going that way and that`s where the police remain on different sides
about two blocks apart right there on North Avenue with militarized
vehicles and then a line going straight across.

We weren`t able to get through that line to get here in the CVS, to get to
this location and also get to the atmosphere where these protesters have
been peacefully marching but just doing a simple loop around the block, you
got us here very easily to where we seeing people now walking inside to the
CVS taking video and images for themselves of what happened here last

Again, we are less than four hours -- we`re about 4 hours from the impose
curfew but we are going now to the Reverend Al Sharpton and start the
Politics Nation.


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