The Ed Show for Wednesday, May 6th, 2015
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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: May 6, 2015
Guest: Sherrod Brown, Jonathan Alter, Bill Karins
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REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH) HOUSE SPEAKER: She just won`t say so.
GOV. SCOTT WALKER (R) WISCONSIN: We did what was necessary to make America
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When the high tide come, all the water coming through
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is something that is real. This is something
that is happening.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You won`t be able to live here, that`s the reality of
GOV. GREG ABBOTT, (R) TEXAS: People in Bastrop had questions.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The enemy force Texas for Jade Helm 15.
FRM. GOV. RICK PERRY, (R) TEXAS: I think our military is quite
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go. Let`s go!
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SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for watching.
We start -- we are keeping an eye on the weather. This is the map right
now in the middle of the country across several states. There are numerous
tornado warnings in effect.
This is a live shot out of Grady County, Oklahoma, just southwest of
Norman, Oklahoma. Chickasha, Oklahoma is where we lost our live shot, I
apologize for that, but tornado warnings are in effect and of course we
will follow this as the evening develops.
We also start tonight with major news on the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
The trade deal is causing a lot of headaches for the Hillary Clinton
Clinton has declined to give a simple yes or no answer on fast track or the
TPP. The Clinton Campaign Chairman John Podesta was recently asked how
Clinton would deal with the TPP and he joking responded, "Can you make it
Unfortunately, the Clinton campaign for them, the TPP isn`t going to be
away any time soon. It`s becoming a bigger issue every day as average
America, average working Americans are seeing what it`s going to do to
their future. Even Donald Trump has taken a stand against the trade deal.
He released this radio ad earlier today.
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DONALD TRUMP, CHAIRMAN AND PRESIDENT OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION: I learned
a longtime ago, a bad deal is far worse than no deal at all. And the Obama
Trans-Pacific Partnership and fast track are a bad, bad deal. For American
businesses, for workers, for taxpayers, it`s a huge set of handouts for a
few insiders that don`t even care about our great, great America. Congress
has to standup and defeat this raw power grab. With the dismal Obama track
record, why should a Republican Congress give him more power and gut the
constitution to do it? It`s just crazy.
SCHULTZ: Meanwhile President Obama is pushing harder than ever for this
trade deal. It`s almost campaign style stuff.
On Friday, the President is going to travel to Nike headquarters in
Beaverton, Oregon to campaign for the TPP. The President will argue the
controversial trade deal is good for American workers.
House Speaker John Boehner knows Hillary Clinton is in a pretty tough spot
right now with this conversation. The speaker called Hillary out on
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BOEHNER: The President needs Trade Promotion Authority to continue to try
to get an agreement with the Asians on the Trans Pacific Partnership.
Hillary Clinton was for Trade Promotion Authority. Hillary Clinton is for
the trade bill with the Asians. She just won`t say so.
And the fact is, the President needs her help in order to get Democrat
votes in the House and Senate to get this passed.
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SCHULTZ: So now, Boehner is an expert on the TPP although he can`t get his
Tea Party members of his caucus to get on board with the way he wants it.
Boehner is trying to divide a wedge between Hillary Clinton and Democrats
who are against the TPP. Hillary has to take a position on this trade
deal. There is no way I think that any Democrat is going to easily win
Ohio and support this deal. The Buckeye State knows all about losing jobs
to bad trade deals.
In fact since 2001, Ohio has lost over 106,000 jobs because of our trade
deficit with China. NAFTA cost the state 34,000 jobs alone. People in
Ohio, what are they doing? Well, they`re living this story firsthand.
They know the TPP would mean more jobs from Ohio to overseas locations.
Now, recent polling shows that 61 percent of people in the state of Ohio
have an unfavorable opinion of this trade deal. Only 33 percent favor the
deal. It makes you feel they`re really following it.
This puts Republican Senator Rob Portman in a pretty tough spot as well.
The Senator is up for reelection in 2016. Polling shows that if Portman
voted for fast track and TPP, 67 percent of voters in the state of Ohio
would be less likely to vote for him. Only 23 percent would be more likely
to vote for him.
Hillary Clinton needs to take a position on this trade deal, definitive,
exclusive, where is she? And this is not foreign territory for the
candidate. The former senator from New York, when she was the senator from
New York, she voted to deny fast track authority to President Bush.
2016 is a whole new ball game, considering the trade deficits we have right
now. The people of Ohio deserve to know where the lead candidate stands on
the trade before the primaries. These voters deserve to know who is
exactly on their side.
The bottom line here is every Democratic representative, senator and
representative in the state of Ohio is rallying with workers, pushing the
President to say no to this.
In the meantime, the president, like a campaign style, is going to a Nike
factory? Is there going to be some big announcement from Nike saying that
they`re going to start building factories in America and hiring more people
in America? The President clearly is trying to get a big crowd behind him
to make it look like everybody supports this thing. And he`s also turning
to the Congressional Black Caucus. There`s no way the Congressional Black
Caucus is going to be able to support the TPP and fast track, and go home
and say, "We`re for the middle class or the economically challenged". It
simply doesn`t work that way.
Get your cell phones out, I want to know what you think.
Tonight`s question, "Can Hillary Clinton can win Ohio if she supports the
TPP?" Go to polls.msnbc.com/ed to cast your vote. We`ll bring you the
results later on in the show.
For more, let me bring in Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio. Senator, good to
have you with us tonight, you have been on the front-lines of this story
since day one.
What are you hearing on the ground in Ohio? Because I was rather taken by
that number, that 67 percent of the people in your state would be inclined
not to vote for your colleague, Mr. Portman, if he were to vote for fast
track. What do you make of these numbers? What do you hearing on the
SEN. SHERROD BROWN, (D) OHIO: That`s what I see too. I hear overwhelming
opposition to fast track. I hear overwhelming opposition to the Trans-
Pacific Partnership. People know what PNTR was trying to do to our state.
They know what the North American Free Trade Agreement did to our state.
They hear presidential promises from Bill Clinton, from George Bush --
well, George Bush the first, Bill Clinton, George Bush the second and now
President Obama, The same promises of more jobs and better wages and the
evidence though is lost jobs and stagnant wages.
So people know better than this in Ohio. That`s why those poll numbers
show that kind of rallying around in opposition to more bad trade deals.
SCHULTZ: I`m not trying to rope any Democrat into taking a position
against Hillary Clinton, but we`re at the point of absolutes right now. If
then Senator Clinton said no to fast track to President Bush, why wouldn`t
she come out and support it against President Obama right now? What`s
BROWN: And I think and hope she will, I don`t know what`s different. I
don`t think anything is really different. I also know that then Senator
Clinton in 2008 in Cleveland said that she, in a debate, said she would
So I have confidence that she`ll be in the right place on these trade
agreements. I think one of my kind of proudest moments looking back in my
first term in the Senate is standing with President Obama and our Secretary
of State then was Hillary Clinton, she wasn`t involved in this.
But in saving the auto industry, and it made such a huge difference to grow
our economy. We had lost 10 million or 5 million manufacturing jobs
between 2000 and 2010. The (inaudible) Recovery Act and the auto rescue
began to grow our economy for 60 straight months and I don`t want to
jeopardize it with a bad trade deal that will cost us jobs and hurt
SCHULTZ: What does it say that President Obama is going on the road to
sell a trade deal?
BROWN: I don`t know. I`m disappointed. Again, I heard presidents of both
parties make these promises on trade. They don`t pan out, they just don`t.
And I, as I said, I proudly stood with President Obama on the auto rescue.
I looked at what happened with the Korea Trade Agreement, which he didn`t
negotiate but came to fruition during his presidency.
And that Korea, the same promises, the auto industry will grow jobs, well,
they haven`t. And now the auto industry is very concerned about Trans-
Pacific Partnership especially because of Japan and what it would do to the
So I hope President Obama thinks this through, maybe he`ll change his mind.
He probably won`t, but if you want to fight for the middle-class, and grow
the middle-class, and you want to give working class lower income people an
opportunity to get in the middle-class, you don`t push trade agreements
like this that cost us manufacturing jobs.
SCHULTZ: All right, Senator Brown of Ohio, I appreciate your time tonight.
Thank you so much.
BROWN: Good to be back. Thanks, Ed.
SCHULTZ: For more, let me bring in Jonathan Alter, MSNBC Political Analyst
and also Genevieve Wood, Senior Contributor with "The Daily Signal."
Jonathan, you first.
What`s John Boehner`s strategy at this point? He`s clearly trying to get a
separation between Hillary Clinton and the Democrats in Congress, but he
can`t even get his Tea Party friends to go along with where he stands on
JONATHAN ALTER, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Yeah.
SCHULTZ: How do you break this down?
ALTER: Yeah. Because his Tea Party friends are with Donald Trump, you
know, in trying to pander from the right against this deal. And he`s just
trying to score political points on the Democrats by accentuating that
Hillary Clinton hasn`t made a decision on this. It reminds me of in 1992
Bill Clinton took a very longtime before he would make a decision on NAFTA.
Now, in Hillary`s defense, almost nobody has actually seen this treaty,
which isn`t even done yet, right? So there are two issues here, one is
fast track, the other is treaty itself.
And you can make an argument, which, you know, we don`t hear a lot these
days, but that that the President would make, any president would make,
that if you get Congress amending any kind of an international agreement,
whether it`s a treaty or trade deal or whatever, you basically aren`t going
to get that agreement because that`s not any way, you know, to get
international agreements completed.
On the substance of the deal itself, almost nobody has actually seen it
because it is semi secret. If you member of Congress, you can go over to a
sealed room and read it. But for other people, it`s very hard to see.
So my point on this is, I don`t think it`s so terrible or dodging or
whatever to not take a position right now on TPP on the deal itself if you
haven`t read it.
SCHULTZ: So you don`t think there`s enough information out there?
ALTER: Yes. The devil is in the details, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Well, there`s solution for investor state trade disputes. That
undercuts American law.
ALTER: Well, OK, right. So, Elizabeth Warren has made some very
interesting arguments on that but, you know, this deal is not complete yet.
ALTER: It is still being negotiated. So, you know, everybody is kind of
hunkered down in their positions on this. And they need to take a deep
breath and say, "You know what? A lot of the jobs that were lost were not
lost because of trade deals". Plenty of research has established that.
SCHULTZ: No. I totally disagree with that.
SCHULTZ: Let`s just quickly take the Kodak plant...
SCHULTZ: ... in upstate New York. That we slaughter, has been using as
exhibit A. We lost all this Kodak workers because of NAFTA, not true.
Kodak went down the tubes because they missed the boat on digital
SCHULTZ: OK. So...
ALTER: So there`s a lot of factors here at play when jobs are lost.
SCHULTZ: The net job...
ALTER: They blame it all on trade is just inaccurate.
SCHULTZ: There has not been a trade deal that we have ever embarked upon
that has been a net gain of American jobs.
ALTER: But you know what...
SCHULTZ: That`s a fact.
ALTER: ... the experts, it depends where you`re talking about. I mean,
there a number...
SCHULTZ: Look at our trade deficits, Jonathan.
ALTER: There are a number of states where the net job increases from
increased exports has been actually greater than the net job loss.
SCHULTZ: We are importing, you know, because of these trade deals...
ALTER: That`s why there`s a lot of political support.
SCHULTZ: Look at the trade deficit with China, look at the trade deficit
with the Central American countries, the trade deficit with South Korea,
none of these are -- better for our economy.
ALTER: I`m not sure that I`m for this deal myself.
ALTER. But I feel like I want to know more. There are historically
important labor and environmental standards in this deal. It`s very
important in terms of china to make sure China doesn`t dominate the Pacific
SCHULTZ: They`re not going to dominate. That`s -- Obama talking point
that they`re writing the rules and they are not writing the rules.
SCHULTZ: This is about currency manipulation.
ALTER: I`d like to know more about -- I`d like to see them, I`d like to
the deal to be tougher in currency manipulation.
SCHULTZ: It`s not and that`s one of the big sticking points in all of
ALTER: They got to -- they have to fix some of that.
SCHULTZ: The investor state trade disputes, that`s enough material right
there and currency manipulation that has turned a lot of these. In the
history, if history is your guide, there`s no way that you can support this
trade deal. This is what`s so troubling about the president`s position on
ALTER: NAFTA wasn`t either as bad or as good as people were saying.
SCHULTZ: OK. I want to get...
ALTER: More neutral factor.
SCHULTZ: No, it wasn`t. Now, we lost a lot of jobs.
ALTER: Well, a lot of other reasons.
SCHULTZ: We`ve lost 50,000 manufacturing factories in this country in the
last 20 years, most of them because of NAFTA.
Genevieve, what kind of problem does the speaker of the house have on this?
Why can`t he get his Tea Partiers on board to go along with this to make
fast track an easy move in the House?
GENEVIEVE WOOD, THE DAILY SIGNAL: Well, I think it`s more divided than you
may be giving credit for it. Matt Salmon of Arizona, I think, he would say
he is part of the Tea Party is very much behind this deal. There are
others so I don`t think you can line it up.
Look, the majority of Republicans are likely going to be for this, but I
agree with Jonathan.
We do need to see what`s in it. This is likely going to be negotiated
until the end of the month, and so we don`t know all the details yet.
SCHULTZ: So why should anybody vote for it if they haven`t seen it? I
mean you`re making the case -- you can`t be against it because you haven`t
seen it. Well, why would you vote for it if you haven`t seen it?
WOOD: Ed, -- but you`re making the case without even seeing it, everybody
should be against it.
SCHULTZ: I know enough about it and I know enough about the people that
are around it to know...
WOOD: That`s a knee-jerk reaction.
SCHULTZ: ... that`s there enough, that`s the (inaudible) out of this to
say no to this deal.
WOOD: No. That`s a knee-jerk reaction on your side. Because I think
you`ve given a very...
SCHULTZ: No, it`s not a knee-jerk reaction. To circumvent American law is
knee-jerk reaction? Having the Congress unable to amend this...
WOOD: Hold on, Ed. You`ve given one side of this, you`ve talked about
autos and manufacturing. The reality is, farmers and the agricultural
business are very much behind this deal with -- deal with the -- the Asian
deal because they believe it will open up a lot of markets for their goods.
And here`s the reality. I don`t know one trade deal that we`ve signed onto
with any country where our exports did not increase. And that is...
WOOD: ... better for U.S. consumers...
SCHULTZ: We have not had a trade...
ALTER: Genevieve is right about the exports.
SCHULTZ: No. We have not had a trade deal where the imports have been
lower than the exports. Come on. We got...
ALTER: You can pick for industries and say that jobs are lost but that is
not mean it`s through across the board.
SCHULTZ: Technology is going to be outsourced, call services are going to
be outsourced, the pharmaceutical industry is going to benefit big time
from this. This is going to circumventing American law. I mean...
WOOD: More American goods are going to find -- ED, come on. More American
goods are going to find their way and look...
SCHULTZ: So you`re telling me 67 percent of the people that are living
with bad trade deals in Ohio, they`re wrong on this, Genevieve, right?
WOOD: Well, yeah. Well, what I`m saying is, I don`t think they`re being
given all the facts.
WOOD: Certainly not, they`re listening to your program right now. The
other thing that we need to talk about is, Asia is going to -- is currently
at 30 percent of global GDP, all right? We need to have a structured trade
deal with them to make sure that we do have good trade and that`s what
SCHULTZ: So what is a structured trade deal when you have American workers
who are competing against $0.30 an hour.
WOOD: Look, American workers are competing in international market. That
is the reality...
SCHULTZ: You`re not going to resolve that. That`s why you said -- that`s
why the country shouldn`t be involved in it.
WOOD: No. That`s why we ought to have...
SCHULTZ: The fact is we do not have fair trade, that`s what this whole
thing is all about.
WOOD: Hey, Ed, can I say one thing about Hillary? If anybody would maybe
know what some of in this, this deal started while she was Secretary of
SCHULTZ: Everybody knows that.
WOOD: ... so she probably has a lot more insight into what`s in it than I
do or you do.
ALTER: Can I ask you a question, Ed?
ALTER: Do you really think that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and other
Democrats were for this deal, Hillary still on the side...
SCHULTZ: I think that this be -- I don`t...
ALTER: Do you think that they`re in the grip of immense information that
they`re poorly informed, that they`re not looking out for middle class
people? Why do you think they`re for it?
SCHULTZ: Because I think national security...
ALTER: They`re not in the pockets...
SCHULTZ: I think...
ALTER: ... Barack Obama is not dancing on the end of a string from the
banks and the big interests. He believes this is in the interests of
SCHULTZ: It is not in the interests of American workers. It is more of
the interests of...
WOOD: Ed, you`re very selective about what American workers do you want to
stand up for...
SCHULTZ: It`s more in the interest of the national security, why are we
doing a trade deal with Brunei? Why are we doing that? What are they
manufacture? Why are we -- we are the biggest customer on the face of the
earth, people need to do business with us.
WOOD: Yes, they do.
ALTER: So that`s a different part. Let me just say --
WOOD: So we won`t have developing countries around the world?
ALTER: That`s a very important point. Let me just get this word in,
Genevieve. You make a very important point and that argues for a tougher
deal. This deal is not completed yet.
ALTER: So all I`m saying is that...
ALTER: ... Hillary can take a principal position that isn`t looking like
she`s just waffling, oh, she can`t...
ALTER: She wants more information...
SCHULTZ: And I disagree with you.
ALTER: ... she wants to know whether the deal could be tougher...
SCHULTZ: I think there`s enough information for Elizabeth Warren, there
ought to be enough information for Hillary Clinton. If there`s enough
information for every single union in this country to across the board
unanimously say no to this deal, there`s enough information to give an
absolute yes or no.
I respect both of you. I disagree with your opinions.
Jonathan Alter, Genevieve Wood, good to have you with us tonight.
WOOD: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: Thank you so much.
Remember to answer tonight`s question at polls.msnbc.com/ed we`ll bring you
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Rick Scott bans the word "climate change" from his state but does nothing
to stop the effects. Part 3 of our series, "Riding Tide: The Climate
Crisis", still ahead on the Ed Show.
Stay with us, we`re right back.
SCHULTZ: And we are following severe weather in the state of Oklahoma at
this hour. A tornado warning is in effect for Grady County near Chickasha,
Joining us now by phone, MSNBC Meteorologist Bill Karins. Bill, what`s the
latest? What are they facing out there?
BILL KARINS, MSNBC METEOROLOGIST: Well, good evening, Ed. We`ve already
have confirmed tornadoes in Kansas. Tornado threat goes until 10:00 this
evening all the way from Southern Nebraska down through Kansas, Oklahoma,
Now, we`re not going to see a widespread outbreak. This one storm we have
been watching just east of Interstate 44, about 40-minute drive outside of
Oklahoma City, that`s the storm that the NBC helicopter has been up in
Oklahoma City following.
It`s just an amazing view. We just have to, you know, to follow the storm
in the air from these helicopters. You can see this incredible advantage
point of this storm. The storm we`ve been following at times has had
funnel clouds, has not produced any big tornadoes or any damaging
There has been report that they (inaudible) with this storm. And the
concern is that, this storm is moving to the northeast, almost parallel to
Interstate 44, and eventually it will move up towards the El Reno, Oklahoma
City suburbs and then the city itself.
So that`s the concern. There`s a lot of storm chasers on this storm. If
there`s a tornado being produced, well, you can see that from the NBC
helicopter or hear about it immediately from the storm chasers.
So it`s more of a heads up right now for everyone in Oklahoma City. The
actual area under the gun right now, the ones that have all their family
members in their shelters is Amber, Oklahoma which is just east of
Interstate 44, just to the north of Chickasha.
Again, no tornado reported with this but this storm is kind of cycling
through. The storm itself actually split into two and has two separate
circulations. Eventually, one of those is going to win out over the other
one and it should gain, you know, gain strength, but there`s still a lot of
daytime (inaudible) in this area.
So we`ll see if this regenerates and the tornado threat returns. But if
you`re in (inaudible) Oklahoma, you`re the next area of concern and then
we`ll have our eyes in the Oklahoma City area about an hour or hour and a
half from now, Ed.
KARINS: But again, I do not see the widespread tornado outbreak but with
this isolated tornadoes that are possible over the next couple of hours.
That`s the greatest concern and that`s the risk.
Ed, this is a week-long event. We`re going to do this each and every
afternoon. And then on Saturday, it looks like whether our first major
outbreaks so they`ll happen, we`re watching the same areas, Oklahoma and
Kansas. So everyone got mother`s day weekend plans but Saturday, Ed, is
the day to watch.
SCHULTZ: OK. Bill Karins, meteorologist here on MSNBC. We`ll follow the
weather tonight, I appreciate that report. Thanks, bill.
We`re right back on the Ed Show. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: We are back on the Ed Show.
2016 Republicans are on their way to having the largest field of candidates
in American presidential history.
We`ve never seen more than ten candidates in either party on the debate
stage. Right now, pollsters are pitching at least 14 names for the
Republican primary. More voices, more choices.
According to a new Quinnipiac poll, Scott Walker of Wisconsin has an early
lead in Iowa, and it`s a commanding lead.
Look at this, at 21 percent, walker has not even declared but dominates the
crowded field at 21 percent. It makes sense, Walker has slashed education
budgets, strip unions of collective bargaining rights, signed right to work
legislation and restricted voting rights. What more could the Republicans
Joining me tonight, Ruth Conniff, Editor-in-Chief of the Progressive
Magazine, also with us tonight, Republican Strategist Matt Schlapp from the
American Conservative Union and he is the chairman there. Great to have
both of you with us tonight.
Matt, you first, why is Scott Walker doing so well in Iowa before even
declaring he`s a candidate?
MATT SCHLAPP, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, we saw this at the CPAC straw
poll as well. Scott walker is revered by Republican voters because his won
in a tough state for Republicans over and over again, despite the fact that
the left has thrown everything at him. And they admire his fortitude and
his standing up for what they believe in and what he believes in.
SCHULTZ: Well, what about that, Ruth? Do they revere him in Wisconsin?
He has won three elections in four years.
RUTH CONNIFF, THE PROGRESSIVE MAGAZINE: Well, I mean Wisconsin -- Walker
is a bitterly divisive figure. He has really divided a once congenial
state in which Republican and Democrats get along. So he has really taken
it to the hoop on the most right wing, most aggressive possible agenda.
And I think he has become a national hero to the far-right for that reason.
And I think the reason they love him in Iowa is one, he`s a very, very deep
social conservative, which is popular in Iowa. He has an unapologetic
opponent of abortion and also wrote the state in Wisconsin that said that
your pharmacist should be able to decide whether or not you get your birth
control prescription dispensed to you, because it`s a moral choice that the
pharmacist should make.
So that`s pretty extreme. And then, on the other hand he`s -- he`s winning
or well-ahead in the money primary. He is a huge favorite of the Koch
brothers. David Koch let it slip that Walker is his favorite candidate.
And so, as these Republican candidates are running around the country
gathering up money from right wing billionaires, Walker is moving way ahead
in that race as well. So I think it makes him a very formidable candidate
and I think people in Wisconsin who have suffered through a walker budget
that cuts $300 million out of the University of Wisconsin, has slashed
education historically here, you know, are really looking at an extreme
figure. And I think that country should look at that and think, "Wow,
SCHULTZ: Yeah. Matt, what`s the attraction here?
SCHLAPP: So I guess you don`t like him very much.
SCHULTZ: Well, she didn`t say anything that wasn`t true.
CONNIFF: He is unpopular here.
SCHULTZ: I mean, he`s been a hawk on the budget. He`s gone after workers,
he`s gone after ed, he cut almost a billion dollars out of public
SCHLAPP: He`s trying to balance the budget. He`s won on the state that
it`s very hard -- if he saw extreming crazy in right wing, how did he win
in Wisconsin over, and over, and over again?
CONNIFF: Well, he`s never won in a presidential year here...
SCHLAPP: But let me finish. Clearly, he`s resonating with voters to some
degree and taking on tough issues. As far as the fact that he believes in
the first amendment, I applaud him for those things.
And he`s not an extreme conservative. He`s a catholic who has conservative
views on things like life. By the way, an issue that`s moving more and
more the Republican`s direction across this country, so let`s be fair about
how we characterize him.
SCHULTZ: Where is he extreme, Ruth? M r. Schlapp says he`s not extreme.
SCHLAPP: I get that worse in your book. By anyway I would still say that
his Christian beliefs (inaudible) and that`s a positive thing.
CONNIFF: No, it`s a bad, bad thing.
SCHULTZ: All right. I want Ruth to be able to respond. He claims that
he`s not extreme. Your thoughts, Ruth.
CONNIFF: Oh, well, I mean, first -- you got to get your facts straight.
Walker is speaking in tongues, evangelical, Protestant. But as far as the,
you know, the extremity of his position, this is not going to be a balanced
Here`s a great trick Walker pulled in this current budget. This $300
million cut to the University of Wisconsin which is really the bridge he`s
braining for his national career, even with state Republican Party members
who have had it with those slash and burn politics in Wisconsin. This cut,
there`s a tuition freeze that lasts just as long as it takes to get through
the presidential election year and then the lid is off. Tuition can go up
as much as you want.
CONNIFF: The nonpartisan state legislative bureau projects 40 percent
tuition increase, thanks to that cut... It`s going to be brutal here.
SCHULTZ: All right.
CONNIFF: ... it`s going to be brutal here.
SCHULTZ: Ruth Conniff, Matt Schlapp, great to have you with us, we`ll do
it again. I appreciate your time.
Moving forward, local officials say their senator is denying the facts
about rising seas because of the flood of big money from donors.
Stay with us, we`re right back on the Ed show.
SCHULTZ: And we are back.
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effect. We`ll keep an eye on it here on MSNBC.
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.
Tonight in our series, "Rising Tide: Climate Crisis".
The political disconnect on climate change. While business booms on the
South Florida coast, local government officials are putting politics aside
to focus on solutions to keep their towns dry. But Governor Rick Scott and
Senator Marco Rubio continue to deny the science.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Flooding at high tide, always a big issue.
High tide number two began and like clockwork the ocean water reappeared on
Miami Beach. Alton road flooded this morning, no surprise at all to Miami
SCHULTZ: This is Alton Road in Miami Beach. Many people consider this to
be ground zero for a rising sea level and flooding in this town. They`ve
spent millions of dollars addressing the flooding so far, but it`s going to
take a major infrastructure project to make it right for the future.
PHILIP LEVINE, MAYOR OF MIAMI BEACH, FLORIDA: There is no overnight fix,
but we know what we`re doing. We`re moving forward.
SCHULTZ: There`s no bigger believer and no bigger cheerleader than the
LEVINE: One of the most exciting cities in the world. Everybody wants to
come here. Everybody is getting sand in their shoes, we call it.
What we need to do is provide a stable, safe, dry community for generations
SCHULTZ: Can you do it?
LEVINE: Absolutely 100 percent. We`re well on our way.
SCHULTZ: For two years, Alton Road, one way northbound, major construction
including installation of storm drainage infrastructure.
Tell us about the investments the city has made, $15 million over the last
year and a half in pumps to alleviate some of the flooding problems you`ve
LEVINE: Right. Well, that`s just the beginning of the investment, Ed.
We`re going to be spending probably $300 million to $400 million which
really isn`t a hell a lot of money when you realize you`re protecting from
anywhere from $25 billion to $30 billion worth of real estate.
SCHULTZ: Real estate is booming in South Florida, even as the threat of
rising tides looms.
DR. HAROLD WANLESS, UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI: Miami-Dade County has 230 new
condominiums going up right now. Many of these are big high rises on the
beach or downtown, not little ones.
LEVINE: The most successful investors in the world are buying in Miami
Beach. They`re not buying little apartments, they`re buying multimillion
SCHULTZ: How soon before the real estate market starts to get hit, be
PHILIP STODDARD, MAYOR OF SOUTH MIAMI, FLORIDA: Well, that`s a great
question. So what`s going to take us out in the real estate market is
going to be the 30-year mortgage. At some point, somebody is going to
figure out, "Hey, if I`m buying mortgages, I don`t want to buy the ones
that are in flooding areas or areas that could flood in 30 years".
SCHULTZ: And how do you think the business community in the out years is
going to respond on all of this?
STODDARD: Ultimately, they`ll figure out how to make money on it, if
they`re smart. We`ll have to spend a huge amount in shifting
infrastructure priorities. The people will figure out that this is good
for business, are going to do very, very well.
SCHULTZ: Local government officials are leading the charge to protect
their communities. They say residents want solutions, not political games.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, that`s saltwater, that`s not the regular water,
that water coming from the sea. When the high tide come, all the water
come into the street.
STODDARD: They don`t want to hear everything is fine, nothing to think
about, nothing to worry about, when they know better. So people down here
want their elected officials to engage the issues, face them dead on, see
what needs to be done and get down to doing the job.
REBECA SOSA, MIAMI-DADE COUNTY COMMISSION CHAIRMAN: This is something that
is real, this is something that is happening, and we need to have experts
telling us what we need to do. I decided not to treat what is causing
this, what is going to -- No, its happening, how do we provide solutions to
make sure that we are prepared.
SCHULTZ: Protecting these communities will come at a high cost. It`s
estimated that Miami Beach alone will invest $500 million in state and
local funds on flood prevention over the next five years. Costs in the
region could be in the billions.
STODDARD: The residents are going to see sticker shock. Now, can they
afford it? They don`t have a choice. And either you pay for it or...
SCHULTZ: While local officials are heeding the warnings from scientists,
many of their counterparts on the state and national levels are ignoring
it. Dr. Harold Wanless was one of the scientists who met with Governor
Rick Scott last summer to discuss the threat to South Florida.
You met with the governor, and what you...
WANLESS: He gave us 30 minutes and used 10 of it for introductions. So we
had 20 minutes, five of us, to explain that global warming is real, that
it`s human induced and what to do about it.
SCHULTZ: What was the response?
WANLESS: Thank you very much for coming.
SCHULTZ: Just doesn`t believe it?
WANLESS: I don`t know what he believes. He has prohibited the use of the
words "global warming", "climate change", "sea level rise" or
LAURA REYNOLDS, EXEC. DIR TROPICAL AUDUBON SOCIETY: This has been going on
for years now, and functioning in a state where you can`t even talk about
it when you know you`re ground zero is really difficult.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Governor, what`s your plan for dealing with global
SEN. MARCO RUBIO, (R) FLORIDA: I do not believe that human activity is
causing these dramatic changes to our climate.
SCHULTZ: The lack of urgency from high-level officials is frustrating to
those on the ground.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a Junior U.S. Senator from Florida that he just
learned that he used to believe it. But I think they`re too busy about
serving a certain clientele so they can get elected rather than being
honest representatives of the people.
STODDARD: Senator Rubio and that section of the party will say and do
whatever the Koch brothers are asking for. I mean that`s really what it`s
come down to. They know better. I mean that, you know, he grew up in a
neighborhood not far away from here. He`d seen what happens. The governor
has seeing what happens. So they just choose to not engage in the problem.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Senator, what do you say to your colleagues, many of
whom, including the governor of the state, don`t seem to believe the
science involved here?
SEN. BILL NELSON, (D) FLORIDA: Well, they`re avoiding reality.
DAN KIPNIS, MIAMI-DADE CLIMATE CHANGE TASK FORCE: They don`t want to know.
They just don`t want to know. I can tell you this though, Ed, if they
don`t get the idea, we`ll never be able to start fixing this problem.
These are the people that need to get the idea. These are the people that
run businesses and run government, and until they understand how serious
this is, this is just Miami. Extrapolate this all around, every coast in
the United States and in the Pacific in the United States.
We`re talking major losses here. We can`t stop this. We need to start
dealing with it. You know, I talk to people about retreat from Miami.
We`re going to have to within the next 100 years or in this century
actually leave. We won`t be able to live here. That`s the reality of the
situation. But nobody wants to talk about that.
SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight, Dr. Harold Wanless, he is the Chair of the
Department of Geological Sciences at the University of Miami. Doctor,
great to have you with us tonight.
What is your response, and this is the blanket`s comment that`s made out
there by the deniers, that human activity is not causing climate change.
Your response to that.
WANLESS: Well, they`re simply wrong. Since about 1950, the buildup of
greenhouse gases has been driving our climate. And since the mid-1990s, we
have been having an increase in, dramatic increase, in ice melt on both
Greenland and now Antarctica. And with the warmed ocean we`ve had, that`s
just putting us on a one-way track to what`s going to be a rapid
accelerating sea level rise. Even the U.S. government forecasts maybe 2
feet by 2048, 6.5 feet by the end of the century. And it could well be
higher, because these models are not incorporating many of the accelerating
feedbacks that we`re seeing with ice melt.
SCHULTZ: What kind of interest do your students have in this? I know when
I spoke with you, you`ve talked about the polar ice cap. That seems to be
the hot place of research right now. What about that?
WANLESS: Well, it`s part of geology and earth processes and we`ve had a
lot of our undergraduates go on. They went to Miami for undergrad but
they`ve gone on to grad school and going into glaciology.
Ice dynamics is so complicated, but we are seeing it accelerate so fast.
We know from looking at the ancient that sea level ice collapse can hurt --
caused very rapid sea level rises. And we may be seeing the beginning of
one of those.
SCHULTZ: What about Denmark helping out the city of Miami. Has this been
helpful and what`s their interest?
WANLESS: You got me on that one. The Netherlands has been very helpful
here, but I think they`re trying to make money to help protect their land
and build protection.
SCHULTZ: One of the mayors down there told us that the consumers are going
to get sticker shock, they can`t avoid it. What do you think $500 million
investment will do for the community over the next five years down there?
WANLESS: That was -- that $500 million is for a small corner of Miami
Beach. It`s going to be big. One of our mayors just did a study and got
$40 million price tag for just 10 inches of sea level rise for -- as part
of their generally high community. We`re going to see a gradual shift. As
Philip Stoddard said that we`re going to see people by the middle of the
century starting to move on. And it`s sad, because Miami, South Florida is
one of the most beautiful places to live. You can imagine, and especially
during winters like we had up north.
SCHULTZ: No doubt. And of course the big question is, when does the
insurance industry kick in and realize, as you said, we`re just a mortgage
cycle away from reality on this? Dr. Harold Wanless, we`ll visit again. I
appreciate your time tonight. Thank you so much.
Our series continues tomorrow when we`ll head up the coast to Norfolk,
Virginia. We`ll look at how the climate change is becoming a national
security issue. That`s tomorrow night right here on the Ed Show.
Still to come, Texas Republicans back the governor`s reaction to the
military takeover conspiracy theory. Stay tuned.
SCHULTZ: And in tonight`s Two-minute Drill, we have some breaking news out
of the NFL. Remember the story from last fall? Findings of the
deflategate investigation were released today by the league.
The report found it`s more probable than not, that the New England patriots
intentionally deflated footballs in last season`s AFC title game against
the Indianapolis Colts. The report also concluded Tom Brady was at least
generally aware of the inappropriate activities.
The report found that there was no evidence, Head Coach Bill Belichick knew
of any wrongdoing. At this hour, no penalties have been announced by the
National Football League.
Stick around, a lot more coming up on the Ed Show. We`re right back.
SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, conspiracy fever is spreading all throughout
the state of Texas. Some people actually believe an upcoming military
exercise in western states of this country is really a military takeover of
The Jade Helm 15 conspiracy theory is of course ridiculous. But this
hasn`t stopped a growing number of politicians from fueling the fire.
Texas Governor Greg Abbott ordered the state guard to, "Monitor the
exercise". Former Texas Congressman Ron Paul said he is a fan of the
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RON PAUL, FORMER TEXAS CONGRESSMAN: 1200 special forces in the state and
of course some people think, well, this might be the beginning of a major,
major takeover. Which I don`t -- I`m not quite there yet, I don`t believe
that is. I believe it`s very important and I like what the governor is
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert is also jumping into the fray.
He is upset over a reported mock military map of the exercise circulating
on the internet. Texas and Utah are listed as hostile territory, so
Gohmert writes this.
"The map of the exercise needs to changed, and the tone of the exercise
needs to be completely revamped so the federal government is not
intentionally practicing war against its own states".
Congressman, it`s a map. It`s a guide. It`s an understanding of what the
exercise is all about. It`s not an admission that we`re at war with
For more, let me bring in Jim Moore, Author of "Adios, Mofo" and also
Investigative Journalist, and also with us tonight Robert Wilonsky, he is
the Digital Managing Editor of the Dallas Morning News.
Mr. Wilonsky, you first, what has been the reaction online because it`s so
instant, as opposed to just maybe calling a talk show about this? But what
has been the online reaction from Texans to this?
ROBERT WILONSKY, DALLAS MORNING NEWS: Well yesterday, when I wrote
something about this for the second time in a few weeks. And I`ll be
honest with you, when I wrote about it first about a month ago, I thought,
well, this is just going to be a one and done story. I can`t imagine this
is going to gain any kind of traction whatsoever.
But then, of course, thanks to our great governor, we have found ourselves
in this rabbit hole of nothing but stories and conspiracy theories about
I have to say that most of the comments, the hundreds of comments left
yesterday all keep scratching their heads collectively and wondering how
did we find ourselves asking if the United States government is going to
take over a state in the United States.
SCHULTZ: Mr. Moore, what was the governor`s motivation here or is this
just a serious stupid miscalculation on his part?
JIM MOORE, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: No. He is still pandering to the
right, Ed. Remember, one of the things that people need to know about this
is, the state of Texas has 30 significant military installations, if you
count the coast guard stations in Texas. If the President really wanted to
do something like this, he wouldn`t have to send invading forces. He just
had to send an e-mail to all of those commanders and tell them to march out
The largest military reservation in the world is about an hour north of
where I`m seating, in Fort Hood. Most of the people there are deployed
around the world, courageously serving their country, while back here in
Texas, their integrity and their service is being insulted by
And on top of that, at the legislature just across the road here, they`re
busily reducing the access to tuition, free-state tuition to state
universities for members of the military while they`re cutting business
taxes. That`s the kind of stuff going on.
SCHULTZ: Yeah. Mr. Wilonsky, where is Dan Patrick`s standing on this? I
believe he is the lieutenant governor, isn`t he?
WILONSKY: Yeah. I don`t know if I have necessarily heard from him. We
did hear yesterday from former Governor Rick Perry, who actually said that
he suggested he did not take it lightly when we said that he had basically
said Greg Abbott had gone a little out of bounds on this one. He told our
(inaudible) yesterday when he was in Dallas speaking that he may not
necessarily trust the government, but he certainly trusts the men and women
So when Rick Perry is the voice of reason on this particular subject.
SCHULTZ: And of course, Mr. Moore, you`ve got Louie Gohmert always jumping
into the fray. Is this a publicity stunt or does he actually think we`re
at war with ourselves?
MOORE: I do not want to go deep into the annals or chasms of Mr. Gohmert`s
brain, Ed. But I`ll tell you what? People here are talking about Walmarts
becoming places where citizens are detained. We`re all going to become
POWs, Prisoners of Walmart. You know, if this happens, please send a
progressive army from the north to come save us, will you?
SCHULTZ: Well, if that`s the case, it`s certainly going to change the job
description of the greeter at the front door.
Gentlemen, good to have you with us tonight. Jim Moore, Robert Wilonsky
here on the Ed Show, thanks so much. We`ll follow the story.
That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed SCHULTZ. PoliticsNation with Reverend Al
Sharpton starts right now. Good evening, Rev.
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