The Ed Show for Thursday, May 7th, 2015
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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: May 7, 2015
Guest: Vassy Kapelos, Jane Kleeb, Sage Rosenfels, Terence Moore, Ben
Leber, Leo Gerard
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RACHEL NOTLEY, ALBERTA PREMIER DESIGNATE: I think we might have made a
little bit of history tonight.
ED SCHULTZ, THE ED SHOW HOST: Plus.
TOM BRADY, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS QUARTERBACK: I feel like I`ve always play
within the rules.
SCHULTZ: More probable than not that the New England Patriots
intentionally deflated football.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The oceans are warming up and expanding.
SEC. JOHN KERRY, SECETARY OF STATE: Is increasingly a national security
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The base could become unusable.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: I will help will the opposition against
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SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for watching.
We start with a story north of the boarder, and it has an impact here at
It`s a political revolution that`s unfolding in Alberta, Canada. This is
absolutely horrible news for Trans-Canada as it could put the Keystone XL
pipeline totally at risk.
On Tuesday night, Alberta conservatives were outset after being empower for
44 years. The New Democrats took 53 out of 87 seats in the province
legislature. The Conservatives were reduced to only 10 seats.
What is going on here? This is a huge deal in Canada.
Alberta is Canada`s largest oil producing province and holds the countries
tar sands. It has a solid conservative background politically. Basically,
you know, what is this is, folks? This is the Texas of Canada.
The Globe and Mails International Affairs Correspondent Doug Saunders puts
things in perspective when he tweeted this out, "To put what just happened
Canada in context for you Yanks, imagine Bernie Sanders becoming Texas
governor by a big majority. He`s going to put a smile on your face.
The New Democrats run on a progressive platform, so here`s what`s
They want to put forth and negotiate new climate policies. They run on
increasing the corporate tax rate and also oil and gas royalties. They
also want to stop lobbying President Obama to push for the Keystone XL
pipeline, they don`t want the project.
Alberta`s New Premier Designate, Rachel Notley, is against the Keystone.
She is basically the House Speaker of Alberta. Some oil investors are
worried about the changed. Alberta, of course, is responsible for 78
percent of Canada`s oil output. Notley tried to calm the fears, set a
press conference on Tuesday.
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NOTLEY: I`m going to be reaching out to industry and they can count on us,
to work collaboratively with them and that, you know, I`m hopeful that over
the course of the next two weeks they will come to realize that things are
going to be just A-OK over here in Alberta.
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SCHULTZ: This is not the end of the world for oil companies, folks. The
New Democrats just want to take better care of the environment. They`re
talking about fracking. They don`t want that oil coming out. They want to
increase taxes and they want to produce oil in a more responsible manner.
Now, they have a progressive agenda.
You know, what they don`t have, is full blown Citizens United. The big
special interest money could not be prairie populism. No billionaire was
able to come in and spoil the will of the people of Canada in this
province. Now, Keystone is on the ropes.
A political revolution is possible. Grassroots common sense in prairie
populism can win. And this why I`ve always said that Hillary Clinton
shouldn`t be afraid to come out and said that she is against the Keystone
XL pipeline, she shouldn`t have to wordsmith it.
Senator Bernie Sanders is been sounding the alarm about spoiled elections
and populous thinking for years. But when you look at it, where`s all the
big special interest money to make sure that the conservatives could stay
in power? How in the world that the people make this happen? Well, look
at their election laws.
Public funding, it`s available, but you know what? There are spending
limits and there`s also transparency north of the boarder as to who is
giving the money, those provisions unlike what it`s like in America.
Get your cellphones out, I want to know what you think.
Tonight`s question, "Can populism beat big money?" Go to
polls.msnbc.com/ed, cast your vote tonight. We`ll bring you the results in
the next segment right here on the Ed Show.
Tonight, we are joined by Vassy Kapelos. She is a Parliamentary
Correspondent for Global National. Also with us tonight is Jane Kleeb,
Executive Director of Bold Nebraska. Great to have both you with us
Vassy, how big of a transition is this in Canada what do you equated to.
VASSY KAPELOS, GLOBAL NATIONAL: This is huge, Ed. I honestly can`t
understate it (ph). I worked in Alberta for a number of years. I never
saw this coming. I don`t think anyone really expected the most
conservative province in this country to all of a sudden, you know, vote in
But this is huge. This will have a big, big effect especially on things
like Keystone that you mentioned and just on a whole oil industry in this
SCHULTZ: What do you think move the people, Vassy? What was it Keystone,
was it climate change was it tar sands oil, what move the folks this time?
KAPELOS: You know what? From my perspective, that`s kind of a byproduct.
There`s a lot of domestic factors that play, the government that had been
empower in that province for four decades had sort of rob (ph) people the
wrong, maybe one, two, many times.
And I think this was enlarged part a protest vote, there were a lot of
people who just didn`t want them empower anymore. But it says something
that they were willing in that protest vote to accept a party that, you
know, want to change the whole, you know, the way that the government acts
on climate change, that wants to bring in a carbon tax, that says no to
things keystone or campaigning, you know, or promoting Keystone.
It does say something that they were willing to accept that, but I do think
that domestic factors here were perhaps more at play.
SCHULTZ: And with those domestic factors, Vassy, you know, we`re having
quite a discussion in America about income inequality. I notice that the
Liberal Democrats are now and who are in power in Alberta, they want to go
after corporate taxes, they want to raise those rates. So this income
inequality plays in the province as well?
KAPELOS: It did. And that`s really interesting point. The New Democrats
talk about raising a corporate tax rate from 10 percent to 12 percent. 12
percent still wanted the lowest rates in this country. And it was -- it
ended up being something very popular, I think that people understood that.
They do believe especially in Alberta oil companies should pay more, or
should pay a bigger part of the pie. And I think that resonated with
voters for sure.
SCHULTZ: All right. Jane Kleeb, this is an equation, I don`t think you
thought was going to play out. We`ve had many conversations about Trans-
Canada, and Keystone, and eminent domain, and permits, but we never really
talked about the c-change (ph) could take place north of the boarder, what
do you make of this?
JANE KLEEB, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, BOLD NEBRASKA: Yeah. You know, Ed, I was
in Alberta a couple of months ago. And I was hearing from farmers and
ranchers as well as progressive young people that they were tired of the
old government. And they were tired that the old government was
essentially letting polluters, pollute and not paying their fair share.
And so, I definitely did not see this huge c-change of an election, but I
definitely saw a (inaudible). And so, you know, there is populism across
the boarder in Canada. There`s populism in our country as well.
And, you know, in your intro, you`re absolutely right. Secretary Clinton
should really take note. We don`t want Keystone XL and we also want
leaders that are actually going to put their values on the line, and start
talking in ways that we talk around kitchen tables, that we talk to each
other on this TV program.
And so, I think a huge c-change (ph), I think President Obama clearly is
going to take note, Albertans wanted to see a change in tar sands and so to
SCHULTZ: You think President Obama was thinking on the back of his head
and not saying anything about it. Let`s just see how it plays out in
Canada, what do you think, Jane?
KLEEB: I do. But I also think that time is up for the President to make a
decision on Keystone.
KLEEB: You know, he made Keystone XL a climate issue last June when he
gave his Georgetown speech. It is long past due for him to essentially
reject Keystone XL and let us all move on to bigger issues on climate
And so, we hope the decision is going to come sooner rather than later.
SCHULTZ: All right. Where does this lead Trans-Canada you think? What`s
their next move?
KLEEB: You know, Trans-Canada is essentially going to put a lot of their
eggs in the energy east basket, hoping that they can convince the Alberta
premier now to kind of approve that project since she seems to be open to
more domestic kind of refining of tar sands. So that is a possibility but
you have to remember, the first nations are very critical stopping any tar
sand expansion, and we are winning.
KLEEB: You know, Alberta wanted 68 million barrels a day of tar sands
getting out to the export market. They`re only out 1 million to 2 million
barrels per day. We -- there`s a million per day that have been canceled.
So we definitely are holding the line and I think we`re going to continue
now with this new leadership.
SCHULTZ: Vassy, can Americans come to the conclusion that if the Canadians
wanted Keystone and tar sands to come out to the ground, the dirtiest oil
on the planet that this election result would have never take in place. I
mean, we keep hearing that what the Canadians really wanted, the Canadians
really want the pipeline, the Canadians are going to get this oil, are
going to get this to market one way or another. What about that?
KAPELOS: Well, I`m sure you can draw the sort of specific conclusion out
of this election that Canadians don`t want to get oil out of market. And
there are a lot of Canadians who would argue with your description of out
oil as the dirtiest on the planet.
I think, you know, it depends where you are in this country but there is a
sort of will to see out oil industry do well. It is, you know, a large
part of our countries economy. But there`s also I think what you can draw,
a concern for the environment, a desire to do it responsibly. And I think
those are the two parallel conclusions I would draw.
SCHULTZ: All right. And, Jane Kleeb, would this fire up the folks on the
prairie in Nebraska or, you know, nervous that they might let their guard
down now that they have seen this is happening? I know that there`s still
a tremendous eminent domain legal battle that`s unfolding, what about it?
KLEEB: You know, we are fighting everyday just as furiously as we fought
from day one. We`re actually in the middle of doing a 14-acre huge crop
art that`s going to send a very strong message to the President that will
unveil next week.
So the fire in the belly is still there and we`ll keep on fighting so we
get the final rejection.
SCHULTZ: And finally, Vassy, will it be difficult for the New Democrats to
implement their agenda? Is this really a pass to go do whatever you got to
KAPELOS: I think they`re at beginning of sort of a honeymoon phase, so it
might not be so hard now. But, if you want to get reelected, you know,
your decisions are going to be viewed through a certain prism. And if the
economy, it`s not doing so well right now given oil prices, if it continues
to tank, you know, their decisions will be directly correlated to the
economy and they could suffer because of that.
So it`s not sort of a blank check, but they`ve definitely got this will of
the people behind them at this point.
SCHULTZ: All right, two great resources with us tonight. Vassy Kapelos
and also Jane Kleeb, thanks for your time, very interesting developments,
no doubt about it. Thanks for being on the Ed Show.
Remember to answer tonight`s question there at polls.msnbc.com/ed, we`ll
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Coming up, deflategate could let the air out of Tom Brady`s all-star
career. And later, part 4 of our series, "Rising Tide: The Climate
Crisis". We`ll look at how the rising sea levels will impact one of the
countries, largest naval installations.
Stay with us, we`re right back on the Ed Show.
SCHULTZ: And here on the Ed Show, here`s where we stand on tonight`s Bing
Pulse Poll. Tonight`s question, "Can populism beat big money?" Ooh, lot
of respect for money 13 percent of you say "No", 87 percent of you say,
"Well yeah, maybe there`s not." A whole lot of respect for big money, just
got to get out there and work it, right folks?
The Ed Show coming up, deflategate is next, what`s it mean for Tom Brady
and the Patriots?
We`re right back on the Ed Show.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is Tom Brady a cheater?
BRADY: I don`t believe so. And I feel like I`ve always played within the
rules, I would never do anything to break the rules. And I believe in fair
play and I respect the league and, you know, everything that they`re doing
to try to create a very competitive playing field for all the NFL teams.
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SCHULTZ: All right. Welcome back to the Ed Show.
This is a big story today everybody`s is talking about it. Now, the
question is Tom Brady a cheater?
Well, in his mind his not. He is a quarterback who wants a good feel and a
good touch on the football. And of course Brady back in January denying
any wrong doing and the deflategate controversy so on Wednesday, the NFL
released a report which reveals Brady could have known what was happening.
Brady`s agent is now speaking out and either he`ll happy about the whole
The report have found it is more probable than not to Patriot employees
intentionally deflated footballs in last season`s AFC title game against
The report says, "It is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least
generally aware of inappropriate activities". Hold it right there.
You`re going to tell me NFL that there was a deflated football and a
quarterback didn`t know about it, really? Let`s move on.
The report said, Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick and the Patriots
management, they didn`t have any knowledge of the wrong doing. Owner
Robert Kraft said he still thinks the Patriots did nothing inappropriate.
Brady`s agent, Don Yee, he said the report is, "A significant and terrible
disappointment. It`s omission of key facts and lines of inquiry suggest
the investigators reached a conclusion first and then determined so-called
Well how about this? Text messages in the report show Brady may have been
involve. Prior to a Jets game in October, a Patriot`s locker room
attendant texted an equipment assistant saying, "Tom sucks. I`m going to
make that next ball a f***ing balloon".
Well, the locker room attendant replied, "Talked to him last night he
actually brought up you and said you must have a lot of stress trying to
get them done".
After news of deflategate broke, Tom Brady text the equipment assistant
saying this, "You good, Johnny boy?", Johnny boy responded, "Still nervous
so far so good though. I`ll be all right." Brady replied back to him,
"You didn`t do anything wrong, bud." He wrote back, "I know, I`ll be all
Now, for the league to say that Tom Brady wasn`t involved give me a break.
The league hasn`t announced any punishment and then might not. At this
point, all evidence the circumstantial against Brady and the Patriots.
But today, Mike Florio of NBC`s ProFootballTalk, set a suspension for Brady
seems unavoidable. Well, if that`s the case, they`re going to have to
tighten up a lot of rules.
Now, if he mind of us but the NFL watches players on the field and if
there`s any adjustment to their uniform, they get fined that`s right. They
have to wear their uniform in a certain way. They can taper their uniform
in any way, the NFL watches that. But apparently, they`re not watching how
squeezy the footballs are.
Now, being a former quarterback myself and I don`t talk about this much but
I did play a little bit at Moorhead State. Led the (inaudible) in Division
2. I was All-American in 1977. I had a tryout with the Raiders and the
Jets, and spend some time with the Canadian league. I was a quarterback, I
had idiosyncrasies. I used to like to put Stickum on my fingertips, back
then stickum was still allowed. And it didn`t affect the way I throw the
ball. I did want a lot of Stickum just a little bit
And quarterbacks have their ideosynchresies. They`ll have their center do
a certain thing with the ball maybe, or the way it comes up, or way it put
his hands under his tail. They made do certain thing with their shoes.
I mean quarterbacks are kind of goofy sometimes.
Let me bring a great one, Sage Rosenfels a former NFL quarterback, Terence
Moore also with us tonight, National Sport Columnist and also we`ve got Ben
Leber with us a former NFL linebacker and KFAN Radio Host in Minneapolis.
Gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight.
Sage, what were your ideosynchresies and don`t tell me you didn`t have any?
Where you at tonight?
SAGE ROSENFELS, FMR. NFL QUARTERBACK: Well, I`m goofy like all the other
quarterbacks. I definitely, you know, like my footballs a certain way.
And as the league progresses, my career progress, I like the balls worked
as much as possible. And actually when I got to the Minnesota Vikings,
where Ben and I played together, those equip managers had a great way of
working in the footballs. They put them in the sauna, is the steam room.
They rub some dirt on them, they really got worked in.
So when you got on game day, they felt like you`ve been using for a couple
of months. They are really well worked in and the grip was perfect.
So other teams started adapting things like that which are all legal but
there was never talked of deflating the footballs.
SCHULTZ: What do you think should happened, Sage, to Tom Brady if
ROSENFELS: On my assumption is, he`s probably going to get suspended which
is a real shame. One is because, that the first game of the year, he will
be start -- he wouldn`t then starting that game which is the highlight of
opening week and the first game of the NFL season be put on Thursday night,
in front of the national TV audience against Steelers. And if Tom Brady is
not playing that football game, the Super Bowl MVP, that would be a shame.
And secondly is because, you know, as a guy who played the position, I know
how hard it is to play quarterback in the NFL. I played it for 12 years.
I played nowhere near the level of Tom Brady played. He`s one of the all-
time greats, one of my all time favorites.
The world watching him play and the guy could play in terrible weather, in
snow, in sleet, in rain and wind up there in Foxborough, Massachusetts.
And to watch him playing, performing, competes, and the accuracy that he`s
had over the course on all those years, I don`t think he`s cheated almost
at all in his entire career. And to see this sort of tarnishes image
really bothers me because he`s one of my all-time favorite quarterbacks.
SCHULTZ: You know, I think that Brady who might have been looking at this,
"Hey, this is just another day at the office. This is what I do with the
footballs. This is what I like". I think, in his mind, he probably think,
"No. I`m not a cheater. I`m just playing football the way I like to play
Terence, what`s the league front office behind close doors saying right
now? Are they struggling with this?
TERENCE MOORE, SPORTS ON EARTH: Well, allow for this way, you know, no
offense to Sage but, you know, this is not a shame that he should be
suspended. And if you probably won`t be suspended -- but let`s start with
Not only should he be suspended, he should be suspended for multiple games
along with Bill Belichick. Belichick and Tom Brady are test at the hill
(ph). And I`m going to read you something here. This is from September
2007 right after New England was nailed for Spygate.
"Coach Belichick not only serves as the head coach but also has substantial
control over all aspects of New England`s football operations." That was
Roger Goodell. Roger Goodell, eight years ago, can`t say that Bill
Belichick is a Grand Poobah of New England which he is, and I`ll come back
and suggest along with this report that he`s not guilty of anything when it
comes to deflategate.
And the other part of that is this. Here you go Roger Goodell, this big
and bad guy suspending all these players, and also different teams, and
different executives yet he show the regards to this, deflategate, he`s
going to have one of his underlings decide the punishment.
That shows you that the fix is in.
MOORE: The NFL is afraid of the New England Patriots.
SCHULTZ: I think they`re afraid to do something to a marquee player, who`s
done a lot for the league, brings a lot of great TV ratings and exciting
play. I think they`re really struggling behind close doors with this.
But I also want to talk about the Indianapolis Colts. Ben, let`s just say
you`re a linebacker for the Indianapolis Colts and you find out that Tom
Brady and the Patriots were doing something with the football in the AFC
Championship Game, gave them a little advantage. Obviously, you gave them
advantage so they wouldn`t have done it. How do you feel as a Colts player
if nothing gets done here?
BEN LEBER, FORMER NFL LINEBACKER: Well, not only this is a Colts player
but, you know, I respectfully disagree with Sage but then I agree with
Terence that, yes, it is a shame but you got to do the right thing here.
He lied in front of everybody in national TV. He didn`t cooperate with the
investigation. That ended up themselves with the bylaws should warrant
some discipline. So those two strikes, the fact that we don`t have
hardcore evidence he needs to be suspended. You have to do the right
Is this going to tarnish his career? No. I don`t think so. I really
Two games is, I think, something that`s appropriate, something that needs
to be done, something that has to be done. People are going to tune in
that Thursday night no matter what. It`s opening kickoff for the NFL.
Everybody is (inaudible) and excited.
I don`t think it`s that big of a conflict as many people think because
you`re going to get...
LEBER: ... the ratings no matter what. So...
SCHULTZ: They are going to get the ratings.
LEBER: Yeah. If I was a player, I think, I`ll just be happy if they did
the right thing.
SCHULTZ: Well, OK. How hard is it to get the balls, to get (inaudible)?
I mean, why -- I mean, come on, Ben. Can`t the league figure this out?
Can`t they have a designated ball boy for every game? Of course, that
would cause the money and the owners don`t want to spend any money. I mean
somebody is got to in-charge in the footballs. What about that?
LEBER: Well, I think, that`s the easiest fix is, when they get handed over
to the game officials, they have to be under lock and key. I mean, they
can`t walk away for a few minutes and let a locker room attendants steal
them for two minutes into the bathroom. So, you know, that is the one gap
that the officials have that day. And I don`t think that`s going to be the
same mistake going forward. That`s going to be an easy fix.
SCHULTZ: You know, talking about quarterbacks, I mean, this is a perfect
discussion here. We got both of you, guys, disagreeing with the
quarterback. And I`m kind of with the quarterback on this. Say we just
think different, not just the way it is.
All right. But you know what? I couldn`t trouble throw a Wilson TD very
well but I could sure throw a Spalding J5V. And I always wanted the laces
on the left side when it was brought up to be from the center.
So I mean, how much would this bother Brady, Sage, if there is a game ball
boy designated by the NFL to make sure that that football is not going to
be doctored before the game, what about that?
ROSENFELS: Well, I think, that`s how it`s supposed to be right now. And
what`s interesting about the Indianapolis Colts in the AFC Championship
Game was, you know, that the GM of the Colts sent an e-mail to the NFL
about, you know, complaining about the PSI, those footballs going into the
game and those balls still a lost for a couple of minutes before the game
that the PSI was obviously, you know, taken out of them, going into the
game and they were under lock and key.
And so, to me, that falls back on Roger Goodell and, you know, he`s been a
last scrutiny over the last couple of years. Of course, especially, this
last year and he has made a lot of mistakes. And, I think, you know, just
like Belichick is in-charge of everything has to do with the New England
Patriots. Roger Goodell is fully in-charged of everything in the NFL.
ROSENFELS: It looks to me like this is another situation where he`s
butchered again. No one really knows that the suspension is going to be
because no one really knows what the judges. I mean, Roger Goodell that
sort of goes off of whatever he feels the fans want so.
Ray Rice suspension was enough. We`ll do a lot more. The Adrian Peterson
suspension was enough. We`ll do a lot more. It`s really whichever the way
they win at this point prognostication, is where I think Roger Goodell is
going to with their suspension.
SCHULTZ: You know, that`s the thing that gets me, Terence, is that that
NFL and Roger Goodell has said some pretty serious issues, they decide (ph)
to deal with this year. And now, they`re really not sure whether they`re
going to suspend Tom Brady because there wasn`t enough air in the football.
I mean, can this guy make any decisions?
MOORE: Well, first of all, he`s not going to make the decision. He`s
going to that Troy Vincent, one of his underlings make the decision which
makes this so disgusting.
Now, take a look at to go further than this.
The worse part of this isn`t so far (ph) as what the patriots did as it is,
as it was. The worse part of this is how the NFL covered up on the
Now, let`s get this picture here. Everything that was released yesterday,
they could have told us during that two-week period at the end of the AFC
Championship Game and the Super Bowl. Not coincidentally what team is on
the Super Bowl, the Patriots. Then, they wait `till after the Super Bowl
through the NFL Combine which is a big money-maker for them. Through the
NFL Draft then, finally, when they release it, we hear all the Super Bowl,
will probably, maybe, could be, there are (inaudible) than Boston Harbor
all the sort of thing.
It`s obvious, they were trying to cover the thing up and they`re still
trying to cover this thing up. And I tell you something, Ed, this deserves
everything that the Patriots have done.
MOORE: ... and for Super Bowl deserve an asterisk.
Ben, what about the text messages, finally? What about the -- I mean, does
that incriminate the quarterback here?
LEBER: Oh, absolutely. I mean, you go back to the text messages in
October and it`s clear as data mean that he gave everybody else that Tom
has that existing kind of measure (ph) take the air out of those footballs
to his log in (ph). And he`s so adamant that he -- those guys despise him
to the point where they make fun of him for doing so.
LEBER: So, this is not a one time thing. This is something that he`s been
doing for a long time. But all that being said, I just don`t share the
same vitriol that everybody else that this is not the big of a deal.
Most of the balls were deflated by an average, an average of a pound and a
half. I`m not a quarterback but I don`t think that had any major bearing
(ph) on performance, maybe a slight psychological advantage for him but I
don`t think it help them win any sort of games.
You go back to the Colts game. They played with standard footballs in the
second half and they blew them all the water so.
SCHULTZ: All right.
LEBER: That just tells me it doesn`t really matter.
SCHULTZ: Gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight. Sage Rosenfels,
Terence Moore and Ben Lever, always a pleasure. Thanks, gentlemen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: Still ahead, our climate series hits up, should I say heads up,
the coast to Norfolk, Virginia. I should you get that right because that
is my hometown. See why the rising tide has military officials at the
naval base very concern. And next, Oklahoma residents are cleaning up a
day after some devastating storms in the forecast isn`t good, an update
from the ground.
Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: And we are back paying attention to the weather.
Oklahoma is cleaning up after a night of devastating storms. One person is
confirmed dead following the severe weather. At least 12 more were injured
after tornado destroyed a trailer park.
Over 7 inches of rain in Oklahoma City fell that night, Wednesday night,
the National Weather Service issued a flash flood warning for the first
time in the city`s history.
Governor Mary Fallin has declared a "State of Emergency" in 12 counties in
the state. Meteorologist say the region is in line for more storms in the
next few days.
NBC`s Jay Gray has the latest from Oklahoma.
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JAY GRAY, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Pockets of splitter (ph) debris are scattered
across the Oklahoma landscape after a string of violent tornadoes.
GOV. MARY FALLIN, (R) OKLAHOMA: It`s been a very long night, long day
GRAY: There where reports that at least 51 twisters across Oklahoma,
Nebraska, Kansas and North Texas, a dozen people injured at least five
still in critical condition after this RV park took of a direct hit.
Oklahoma City`s Fire Chief describes the delicate rescue of one of the
KEITH BRYANT, OKLAHOMA CITY FIRE CHIEF: A young man that was trapped on
the one of these RV units little bit more an extensive operation and
requiring specialize equipment airbags and so forth.
GRAY: In some neighborhoods, it was the wind then others the water that
cause the most serious problems, as much as 8 inches of rain in some areas
swallowing communities. A 42-year-old woman drown when our underground
storm shelter field with rain. Now, as the clean up begins.
MAYOR MICK CORNETT, OKLAHOMA CITY: They will out here today, you know,
helping people put their lives back together.
GRAY: But forecasters warn more severe weather could be on the way.
FALLIN: We`re still at risk of having storms over the next several days.
GRAY: This battered community working to recover with an eye on the clouds
and concern about what could come next.
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SCHULTZ: NBC Jay Gray reporting from Oklahoma tonight.
Our series "Rising Tide: The Climate Crisis" continues right after this.
Stay with us.
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Crude oil prices ease from yearly highs falling 3.3 percent too nearly $59
And Whole Foods lost 10 percent, it`s after reporting weaker than expected
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.
Tonight in our series "Rising Tide: The Climate Crisis", the threat to
national security is an issue the largest naval installation in the world
is now battling climate change.
In my hometown in Norfolk, Virginia that the rising sea levels undertaking
place, they are putting military readiness on the line and in question.
Climate deniers are putting service men and women at risk for their anti-
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PRES. BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: The Pentagon says the
climate change posts an increasing set of risks to our national security.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It ruins (ph) homes, businesses and even our
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The base could become unusable.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a lot of sake.
SCHULTZ: Norfolk, Virginia is the home of the world`s largest naval
station. Their infrastructure is crucial to military readiness.
CAPT. JOSEPH BOUCHARD, FMR. NORFOLK BASE COMMANDER: Home to about 75
ships, 200 aircraft, a large training and maintenance and logistics
infrastructure to support those forces. Sea level rise impacts the ability
of the base to carry out its mission.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The folks can`t get to base.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The land is sinking and the other reason is the water
is rising, the oceans warming up and expanding
COL. PAUL B. OLSEN, ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, NORFOLK: The Gulf Stream
pushes water up against Virginia more so than anywhere else on the East
Coast so we`re getting the triple whammy.
JIM REDICK, EMERGENCY OPERATIONS DIRECTOR: Before we would see flooding
during an actual tropical storm or hurricane. But now, we just see
flooding in certain areas during our lunar high tides. So we see the water
coming up we see it on the tide gauges, we also see in the streets. So
that`s really a significant indicator of flooding becoming more frequent
than in more of a problem.
BOUCHARD: As sea level rose since the base was built in World War I, the
utilities is at high tide are more and more often immerse in sea water and
that can cause outages. Additionally, it`s getting more difficult to make
SCHULTZ: The national security risk from climate change has caught the
attention of military and intelligence agencies.
FMR. SECY. CHUCK HAGEL, U.S DEFENSE DEPARTMENT: As the oceans increase, it
will affect our bases, it will affect islands, it will affect security
across the world. So just from my narrow perspective, what I have
responsibility for, that`s happening now. And we have to be prepared.
KERRY: Climate change, you know, global warming whatever you or what
everybody preference to call it is, is increasingly a national security
FMR. SECY. LEON PANETTA, U.S. DEFENSE SECRETARY: This isn`t about the
battle of, you know, climate change and the issues related to that. This
is about what we are seeing happening, and the intelligence that flows from
that. And that is important for us to consider, as we look at issues that
could threaten our national security.
SCHULTZ: Local leaders have come out in front of this issue.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Senator Tim Kaine and Congressman Scott Rigell,
Congressman Bobby Scott and Rob Wittman, they held a panel discussion along
with environmental, military and preparedness leaders, they all talk about
the problem today in the all seem to be in agreement that something needs
to be done.
SEN. TIM KAINE, (D) VIRGINIA: They`re seeing $250 to $300 a year up
flooding. And it`s going up dramatically.
SCHULTZ: But only Congress can move the ball forward. Many remain in
BOUCHARD: The first step in getting there is awareness and understanding
among NAVY leaders, DOD leadership and the Congress, Congress because they
have to appropriate the funds to keep the base`s operation.
KAINE: You got to understand, we have people with their lives tied up and
trying to make this hoax (ph) of reality.
BOUCHARD: Well, personally, I`m very disappointed when I hear members of
Congress criticizing individuals particularly individuals who are
advocating adaptation to client change.
SEN. TED CRUZ, (R) TEXAS: Today, the global warming alarmists are the
equivalent of the flat-earthers.
BOUCHARD: It is, in many respects, an insult to professional military
officers who are striving to carry out their responsibility to protect
SEN. JIM INHOFE, (R) OKLAHOMA: First of all, global warming is not taking
place. It`s kind of laughable right now with all the records that are
SCHULTZ: The entire community depends on action.
MARY-CARSON STIFF, WETLANDS WATCH: Our storm water system can`t handle the
increase amount of rain fall because the water is rising and pushing up on
our old -- infrastructure which can`t handle it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Buildings have to be put about 3 feet higher than they
were, you know, a year ago.
DEBORAH MILLER, NORFOLK RESIDENT: We have had a lot of water damage when
the house was right on the ground, literally and then, the garage. And we
had to have all of the hardwood floors replace down to the joist literally
ripped out and replaced. And since the house was elevated, we still have
flooding. It`s scary to see the water rushing in.
STIFF: Businesses are closing and their losing days that they`re staying
open and making money. Commuters are unable to get to their jobs. I know
that that`s a huge problem. And school buses have a really hard time
getting to kids. There are pictures that show big school buses driving
through flooded streets to try to get kids (inaudible) from their houses to
school. We had a one school was pretty badly flooded or the streets in
front of it was flooded, you know, the school itself and they had kind of
like raft taking kids out of their classroom.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You just can`t raise a home, you`ve got to raise the
ducks, the roads, the rail roads, the tunnel entrances, all that stuff has
to be part of the package.
BOUCHARD: Here in Hampton Roads, the military is about 45 percent of the
local economy. If the bases have to move because of sea level rise, the
economy would be devastated. That`s just not an option.
SCHULTZ: Combating the rising sea level comes down to one thing, money.
LARRY P. ATKINSON, CLIMATE CHANGE AND SEA LEVEL RISE INSTITUTE: You know,
each city here, it`s at least a billion dollars for each city, just to
build structures to stop some of this.
BOUCHARD: If there is not a sustained funding strength for adaptation,
bases are going to face increasing difficulty carrying out their missions.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Climate change is a serious threat.
SCHULTZ: Congress must take the science seriously and act. Congress has
seen the need to address sea level rise and recently authorize a very large
study for the whole North Atlantic region.
ATKINSON: The federal government is going to have to coordinate much
better they usually do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The challenge and yet, I would actually call it an
opportunity is bringing all this resource together, getting the maximum use
of them, making sure that we establish a unity effort.
BOUCHARD: To try new things, new approaches.
OLSEN: We`re repairing old infrastructure and we`re also doing new
infrastructure at the federal level that ranges from anywhere from hard and
expensive seawalls like what you`re seeing in places like New Orleans, to
more greener solutions like planting wetlands out there that will attenuate
or break up the waves and the storms surge, before they hit land, a gamut
from hard structures to more greener structures.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If we could stick with one voice and then, they have
that one team, one fight, you know, strategy, then I think we`re going to
be pretty successful.
SCHULTZ: And the Ed Show special series "Rising Tide: The Climate Crisis"
caps off tomorrow night with the spotlight on Hoboken, New Jersey.
Hurricane Sandy puts this small city underwater, now the Mayor of Hoboken
is working with the White House to prevent future flooding. What are they
Still to come, the President makes a big push to win over Democrats on the
Trans-Pacific Partnership. We`ll have the details ahead.
Stay with us, we`re right back.
SCHULTZ: And in tonight`s Two-minute Drill, Shaq attack. NBA legend
Shaquille O`Neal crashed the set during last night`s playoff halftime show.
Shaq wasn`t hurt but his pride might taken a spill a little bit.
The TNT staff went to work editing the video to make Shaq stumble look like
a more epic escape from the set.
Shaq took the spill and stride tweeting the video with the caption, "Damn,
He also encouraged fans to tweet him their best memes of his fall promising
$500 price for the best one out there, pretty cool.
To the soccerpitch in Austria and down goes Leo, the Austria Vienna soccer
clubs mascot, Super Leo was the biggest hooligan at the match this weekend.
An Austrian paper reports the man behind the mask was drunk on a job after
attending a festival celebrated the mascot`s birthday, can`t pass that up.
While their mascots stumbled, Austria Vienna did not winning the game, two
Having fun on the job, who doesn`t?
Stick around, lots more coming up on the Ed Show.
SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, President Obama is taking his Trans-Pacific
Partnership sales speech to the employees at Nike headquarters in
Beaverton, Oregon on Friday.
For many American workers, the choice of venue only serves as a reminder of
global trades downsides outsourcing, low wages and tax havens.
It`s not the sort of company that`s going to convince the undecided
Democrats and Congress that Obama still is trying to wrangle.
On Wednesday, Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders sent a letter to
President Obama strongly encouraging him to cancel the meeting at Nike.
The Senator from Vermont who is a candidate wrote, "Nike epitomizes why
disastrous unfettered free trade policies during the past four decades have
failed American workers. It`s no secret why Nike is supporting the TPP".
So in the 11th-hour, the only secret continues to be the actual details of
the deal. And apparently, the White House is putting a lot of pressure on
environmental groups, flat out telling him, we`ve been with you on climate
change, you got to give us this one. We`ll have that story, of course,
But right now, let`s bring in Leo Gerard, President of the United Steel
Workers International. Mr. Gerard, good to have you with us.
This is a fever pitch effort by the White House and the President to make
sure he gets fast track. Why do you make of it going to Nike?
LEO GERARD, UNITED STEEL WORKERS OF AMERICA: Well, look, Ed, I think it`s
a terrible mistake. As you do and as I do, we support the President almost
everything else. This is a terrible mistake.
Nike represents everything that`s wrong with global trade. In fact, Nike
has publicly said that they`re for this deal because they`ll be able to
export from Vietnam with duty-free.
1 percent, on percent of Nike`s employees are in America. And we now know
that Nike at one point in time had moved from China and other countries, to
Vietnam because Vietnam had lower wages.
I think this is an act of desperation. I think whoever advised the
President to go there, we are to thank that person because I think, it`s a
terrible place and it epitomizes everything that is wrong with the trade
deal and the...
SCHULTZ: Well, the only thing that would make this good is if Nike has got
some announcement they`re going to make tomorrow that they`re going to
start building factories and hiring people in America. I mean 1 percent is
the correct number. I mean, I don`t -- maybe the President is looking for
a bunch of fans behind him that are going to be cheering because they work
at Nike. I just find it very puzzling.
GERARD: Look, that even if they increase it for 1 percent to 1.5 percent
or 2 percent, double their employment, that still means 98 percent of their
employment is outside of the country. That still -- doesn`t repair the
piece that Nike has said that they want to be able to export from Vietnam
to the world. They want to be able to export from Vietnam to those either
11 countries that are part of the TPP.
And look at it, Ed, I`ve been saying it for a longtime, this is really for
me and for the people I`m privileged to represent quite simple, let history
be your guide. Look at every trade deal that has been passed since the
passage of NAFTA. And look at its face. What it`s done is have record
trade deficits, loss of jobs and downward pressure on wages.
If this trade deal is so good then, put it out in the open, don`t push fast
track and try to prevent us from seeing it. Put it out in the open and
let`s see if that creates balance trade, growth in exports, reduction of
imports and upward pressure on wages.
Nike represents low-wage jobs. We don`t need anymore low-wage jobs. What
we need is a manufacturing industry that is going to be able to thrive and
to have family supporting jobs.
SCHULTZ: All right. The President and his staff putting a lot of pressure
on Democrats especially on the Congressional Black Caucus, are the
Democrats going to hold the line? Right now they don`t have the votes for
GERARD: My sense talking to the people that I know that work up on the
hill that the Democrats are going to hold the line. There`s a few that are
going to be way where Democrats, we`re going to have to forget about that.
And then, you`re going to look at the Republicans, we`ve got a lot of
Republicans who are from the Tea Party who aren`t prepared to give the
President this unfettered authority.
Let me make this point. Republicans want to read every line of the nuclear
deal with Iran. But are they prepared to want to ignore every line that`s
in the trade deal. That`s a level of hypocrisy that you need to call to
order. And the same thing with Democrat, you want to see the Iran trade
deal every line, let`s look at the trade deal with every line.
SCHULTZ: Very profound point. Mr. Gerard, always a pleasure. Good to
have you with us tonight.
We`ll have more on the TPP tomorrow night and the President`s visit to
Beaverton, Oregon, the Nike town.
That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz. PoliticsNation with Reverend Al
Sharpton starts right now.
Good evening, Rev.
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