The Ed Show for Friday, May 8th, 2015
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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: May 8, 2015
Guest: Bernie Sanders, Charles Kernaghan, Jim Keady, Lori Wallach, Lacie
Heeley, Joe Cirincione
ED SCHULTZ, THE ED SHOW HOST: Good evening, Americans and welcome to the
Ed Show, live from Washington D.C. Let`s get to work.
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PRES. BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: If we don`t write the rules
for trade around the world, guess what? China will.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve known climate change is a serious threat for
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was a guy in the locker room at the back Tom
Brady call himself "The Deflator", what was the other guys nickname, "(Joey
TOM BRADY, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS` QUARTERBACK: I used to reading X`s and
GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE, (R) REPUBLICAN: I think reasonably that he didn`t
JOHN KERRY, UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF STATE: We believe that it`s so
important that Iran not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon.
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SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for watching.
It`s a signature on the Ed Show that we start every night, every shows
saying "Let`s get to work". I think there`s a lot of Obama supporters in
this country today who were somewhat confused that the President decides to
talk about the trade policy and he kicks it in to high gear at Nike plant,
Today marks a critical point for the Trans-Pacific Partnership. President
Obama has really kicked it in to high gear, campaigning across the country
for this trade deal that he just can`t seem to get enough support for.
The President was at Nike headquarters in Beaverton, Oregon today. Nike
and the President of the United States have been pushing hard for the
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OBAMA: If we don`t write the rules for trade around the world, guess what?
China will. And they`ll write those rules in a way that gives Chinese
workers and Chinese businesses the upper hand, and lots American made goods
out. That`s the choice we face. We`re not going to be able to isolate
ourselves from world markets, we`re going to be in there and compete.
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SCHULTZ: I`m finding out now that President Obama can really sell, that`s
some pretty good generic talk without explanation. All you have to do is
let history be your guide.
Mr. President, tell us what trade deal has help us when it comes to trade
deficit in American jobs? You can`t, no president can.
President Obama said the TTP would level the playing field.
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OBAMA: The question is, are we going to make sure that the rules are fair
so that our businesses and our workers on the level playing field. Because
when they`re, we win every time. When the rules are fair, we win every
So this is why I`m such a strong supporter of new trade agreements.
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SCHULTZ: Well that`s great, President Obama, but what rule are you talking
about. Currency manipulation which your own party is concern about and you
just can`t seem to address it?
The President also said that the TTP would create thousands more jobs for
Nike here in the United States.
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OBAMA: Just this morning, as Mark may have mentioned, Nike announced that
with the Trans-Pacific Partnership, it will make new investments in
advanced manufacturing not overseas, but right here in the United States.
And far more Nike products would be made in the USA. And that means
thousands of new jobs in manufacturing, and engineering, and design at Nike
facilities across the country, and potentially tens of thousands of new
jobs along Nike`s supply chain here at home. That`s what trade can do.
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SCHULTZ: So Nike as successful as they have been working the bottom line
over the years. They just have to have this trade deal for them to create
jobs in America. I`m supposed to buy that. That`s a bribe.
So here`s Nike saying that "Well, gosh if we get this trade deal we`re
going to be able to do high tech manufacturing in America". Give me a
You mean to tell me that Nike doesn`t have the resources with that kind of
money they`re making that they can invest in the American economy.
Thousands of jobs in the United States, that sounds fantastic. But Nike
could afford to move jobs back to the United States without this trade
deal. That`s the truth.
Now, this is a map of Nike factories in the country of Vietnam, that`s
right. And Nike just doesn`t have one factory over there, they`ve got 67
factories and, you know, how many employees they`ve got, over 300,000
workers. The work conditions are horrible, their unsafe conditions for
roughly $0.50 an hour.
Nike is a shining example of corporate profiteering off of outsourcing and
cheap labor from other countries, that how they make their money. So if we
do this Trans-Pacific Partnership, all of that just going to change, in
fact they`re going to guarantee us 10,000 new jobs.
Nike -- brought in a whopping $30.3 billion in revenue over the past year.
Look at that number, $30 billion. And, you know, what? They just can`t
add any more jobs in American unless they have the TTP. That`s what the
President is selling.
Mr. President, this is beneath you.
They produced over 365 million pairs of shoes, not a single show was made
in the United States. But if they get this trade deal, all of the sudden
they`re going to start doing stuff here in America.
The average customs values for a pair of Nike shoes is just over $5 a pair.
Some shoes from Nike hit the market at over $100 a pair. They`re making a
ton of money just the way things are right now.
Nike has about 26,000 people on the payroll right here on the United
States. That`s a good number, but it`s nowhere what it could be.
Meanwhile, overseas, they have almost a million workers.
The trade deal would make it easier from the Nike to do business in Asia.
That`s what they`re saying, OK. Nike can easily create thousands of jobs
here in the United States without this lousy trade deal as some experts see
The President`s visit today is an embarrassment to his presidency. This is
going to wipeout a lot of good that this president has done. Earlier this
week, we told you that President Obama and his organization, his
administration was leaning on the Congressional Black Caucus for support on
this trade deal.
Now think about this. We have economically depressed areas in this country
who were represented by a number of members from the Congressional Black
Caucus. And the President is saying, "You know what? We`re going to
create jobs in your district if we do another bad trade deal", really?
This is blind loyalty if the Congressional Black Caucus goes down this
road. Sources have told the Ed Show that the White House officials are
leaning on environmental groups because the President has really pushed
hard on climate change.
Come on, stop the dealing. This is about absolutes. If the United States
Congress allows this to go through and gives the President fast-track we
will lose jobs. How do I know? Because we`ve lost jobs on every other
trade deal and this deal is going to be no different.
Get your cellphones out, I want to know what you think.
Tonight`s question, "Will American workers every have a level playing
field?" Go to pollsmsnbc.com/ed to cast your vote. We`ll bring you the
results later on in the show.
For more, let me bring in Senator Bernie Sanders, presidential candidate
and also in the United States Senate from Vermont. Senator, good to have
you with us tonight.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I-VT) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Welcome.
SCHULTZ: I want your reaction, Senator, to Nike will create 10,000 more
jobs if they can just get the TTP. What do you make of that?
SANDERS: Well, these are the kinds of promises we hear every single time,
these guys want a trade agreement. Frankly, I don`t believe it.
But given the fact that they have as he just indicated something like a
million workers all over the world, given the fact that today we`re not
producing one Nike piece of shoe or sneaker in this country. I think we
have reason to be very doubtful about what they`re trying to do.
Look Ed. I was very disappointed about the president said today. The idea
that we`re going to be engaged on an equal footing a level playing field,
you`re not on the level playing field when people make $0.50 an hour in
Vietnam. That is not a level playing field. It is not a level playing
field when you have a state invest or agreement which allows corporations
to sue governments when they`re trying to protect the health and
environment of their communities.
This is a continuation of disastrous trade agreements. In 1970, 25 percent
of the manufacturing, 25 percent of the jobs in this country were
manufacturing. Today, it`s 9 percent since 2001, we`ve lost almost 60,000
factories and trade is one of the reasons for that.
So enough is enough, we need a trade agreement not supported by corporate
America, Wall Street, the drug companies but supported by the needs of
working people in this country.
SCHULTZ: Senator, do you know what rules the President is talking about
that are different in this trade agreement as opposed to the one with South
Korea, or the Central American, or NAFTA. What rules is the President talk
about because he never gets specifics in any sense of the word. He never
gets to the devil on the details. It`s a lot of lofty generic talks that
this is going to be great and the rules are different and if we let China
write the rules then of course we`re going too lose. What about that?
SANDERS: Well, I think what is taking about our trade enforcement rules
regarding labor rights, regarding environmental -- the environment as well.
But the reality is, we have had similar type enforcement language in
previous agreements which really have an amounted to a whole lot.
Ed, I think what is very clear to me. Phil Knight who was the CEO of Nike
is worth some $22 billion. He pays workers all over the world $0.50 an
hour, $0.60 an hour. That is the business model these guys like, this is
what corporate America like, this is what the big money interest likes.
And it does suddenly that we have a President who`s standing with all of
the big money guys against the organized labor, against the environmental
community and he is telling some of us in the progressive movement that we
don`t get it.
Well, I think we get it just fine. I think, unfortunately, he doesn`t get
SCHULTZ: You`ve been very clear on this, Senator. Do you think that you
have been more clear than Hillary Clinton on this? And is this a campaign
I mean, it would seem to me, Senator, that this goes right to the fabric of
everything that you have stood for and everything that you have advocated
for. That this is a prime example of what American can`t do if we`re going
to economically go in the right place and create more jobs.
SANDERS: Ed, look, if you look at what`s been happening in this country in
the last 40 years, what you`re seeing is a disappearing middle class.
You`re seeing people working longer hours for low wages. You`re seeing, as
I said a moment ago, the lost of tens of thousands of factories and you`re
seeing massive income and wealth inequality. All of that is related to
So I think, any serious candidate has got to be upfront and say, "Do you
support a continuation of disastrous trade policies, or do you want a new
policy of trade which works for American workers and not just the CEOs of
large corporations. This is a huge issue.
My record is pretty clear on that and Secretary Clinton and the other
candidate, is got to have to tell us which side they`re on. This is one,
you can`t waffle, either for this TPP or against it. I am vehemently
SCHULTZ: OK. Does it surprise you that President Obama is in campaign
mode with this? That administration officials are putting pressure on some
environmental group saying, "Hey, we were with you on the climate change,
you got to give us this one".
I mean, this is some real backdoor arm twisting that`s going on. Why is he
SANDERS: It`s going on in -- well, you know, he is doubling down. He is a
free trader. I believe, he has, you know, he has been in that for many,
many years and he wants to win this thing. But I would hope, you know,
that he understands that all have of his natural allies, every union in
this country, virtually all of the environmental community.
Millions of millions of working people all over this country are saying we
do not want more of these disastrous trade agreements. And here he is now,
lining up with all of the big money interest, Chamber of Commerce, National
Association of Manufacturers, pharmaceutical industry, Wall Street, all of
the big money guys around his side and he is telling us that we are wrong
on this issue. He is on the side of the worker on this issue. We are not.
Well, I, respectfully, disagree.
SCHULTZ: Senator and presidential hopeful, Bernie Sanders with us tonight
in the Ed Show. Senator, thank you so much, I appreciate it.
Remember to answer tonight`s question at polls.msnbc.com/ed. We`ll have
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Next, a closer look at Nike`s track record on worker`s rights and later,
part 5 of our series "Rising Tide: The Climate Crisis". Hoboken, New
Jersey felt the full impact of Hurricane Sandy, now the city is working to
prevent future flooding from a rising sea levels.
Stay with us. We`ll be right back on the Ed Show.
SCHULTZ: Here are the numbers on tonight`s Bing Pulse Poll. Tonight`s
question, "Will American workers ever have a level playing field?" Well,
73 percent of you say, 74 percent now say "No", 26 percent say "Yes."
We`re coming right back on the Ed Show. Stay with us.
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OBAMA: So the Trans-Pacific Partnership that we`re working on, it reflects
our values in ways that, frankly, some previous trade agreements did not.
It`s the highest standard, most progressive trade deal in history. It`s
got strong enforceable provisions for workers, preventing things like child
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SCHULTZ: So, is the President telling us that if we do this deal, that
things in Vietnam are really going to change?
Welcome back to the Ed Show.
Case and point, there is no guarantee this trade agreement will improve
working conditions around the world because we don`t have control of other
governments in the way they take care of the workers.
It`s no secret that Nike workers in foreign countries, they got it pretty
rough. They do what horrible working conditions, living conditions and
they are paid pennies for an hours work.
The documentary "Behind the Swoosh" sheds light on this problem.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They will be working overtime hours just to get by
because they can`t possibly get by on the way that they`re paid without
working incredible amounts of overtime.
And when you`re working up to 15 hours a day, 6 to 7 days a week, you know,
your 2-year-old child just doesn`t see you. You know? They don`t get to
see their children.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The kids can`t even go to school. How are you going to
break a cycle of poverty and have real economic development if you have a
whole (inaudible) generation of children that aren`t even educated?
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SCHULTZ: Now, let me offer this to you, if Nike has over 300,000
employees, workers in Vietnam, when that be kind of a big stick in their
economy? If Nike were to say to Vietnam, you know, we don`t want to leave
but you got to treat your workers better. You think that might have an
impact? Probably not, because that`s the way they run their country.
Nike has been improving working conditions in its factories around the
world but it doesn`t go far enough. Nike factories in Vietnam are nowhere
near the standards that we have here in the United States.
The President says the TPP will improve working conditions? How is that
going to be guaranteed?
That language may be put in the TPP but enforcement is the key, and we have
never been able to enforce workers` rights. We`ve never been able to
enforce environmental standards.
So I think, the President needs to step out in front of the American
people, give us the detail. How can you guarantee that Vietnam is going to
do this, or Brunei where there`s sharia law?
Do you and I, as taxpayers in America, do we deserve that? Do American
workers who are in factories everyday and the manufacturing sectors and
also in the service sector of our economy, do they deserve that,
absolutely, but we`re not getting it.
And then to all the members of Congress get it, they should not give the
president the Trade Promotion Authority because the first thing he`ll do is
For more, let me bring in Charles Kernaghan, he is the director of the
National Labor Committee. Jim Keady is with us tonight director of
Educating for Justice and Lori Wallach, Director of Public Citizens Global
Trade Watch. Great to have all of you with us tonight.
Charlie, you first, if we can. What are these Nike workers facing in
Vietnam and what guarantee could you give our viewing audience tonight that
if we do the TPP their conditions will changed?
CHARLES KERNAGHAN, NATIONAL LABOR COMMITTEE: Well, there will be no
change. The workers have no rights whatsoever. There are 330,000
Vietnamese workers, they have no rights. They`re getting $0.56 an hour.
They have just zero ability to move.
So personally, they don`t have any kind of motion to go forward. They
can`t be -- they`re not participants in this. They`re just staying there
with tremendous like lack of rights, lack of having enough money to survive
with your children, so now this is a disaster.
SCHULTZ: All right. Jim Keady you traveled to Vietnam and saw these
factors, what did you see?
JIM KEADY, EDUCATING FOR JUSTICE: Actually, it was Indonesia, Indonesia is
the third large producer of Nike products. I went there in 2000 to try and
see what lives were like for Nike factory worker. I lost my job coaching
at St. John University back in `97 because I refuse to wear to Nike`s
products, because of they the way they`re being produced in sweatshop.
It eventually led me in the summer 2000 to move to Tangerang, Indonesia
where I went and live with Nike factory workers try to survive on a Nike
sweatshop wage, at that time was $1.25 a day. I`ve lost 25 pounds in
month living on a Nike sweatshop wage in a rat-infested hell hole.
And I met the women and men who made the Nike products that I as a college
athlete and professional athlete admiring for years and never thought twice
about who they were and what their lives were like. And I promise and I
would come home and I would advocate for them and I thought I would do for
few months, and I`ve done it now full-time for 15 years.
The workers are paid a poverty wage. We still have cases of union-busting,
verbal abuse, physical abuse. I was in Indonesia a year ago, I was -- I
help to organize the demonstration outside the Nike`s headquarters of
hundreds of workers. We had a case which what I call the "Nike 9", 9 trade
unionist who are exercising their rights, saying we want to have better
wages and working conditions.
They were illegally fired, they were threatened by the local police and
military. They have banners at the demonstration saying "President Obama,
please help us". "Nike`s always union-busting", right.
And the president is at Nike`s campus today in Oregon saying that they`re
the model of what trade should look like. If I were in president`s shoes,
I would be saying that that Nike is the absolute opposite of what good and
fair trade should look like.
SCHULTZ: Lori Wallach, what about the president`s speech today? What was
wrong with it if anything?
LORI WALLACH, PUBLIC CITIZENS GLOBAL TRADE WATCH: There is very little in
there that represented what`s really in the text of the TPP. So the
president say, "Well, this is different. We`re going to have a different
outcome. This isn`t NAFTA". But actually the text of the TPP has the same
off-shoring promotion provisions that were NAFTA but bigger and stronger.
And has the labor standards that were in Bush`s trade agreement since 2007
that that proved totally ineffective that Charlie spot on.
There`s nothing in this agreement that`s going to make Vietnam raise its
wages from $0.60 an hour but there are things they`re going to promote the
off-shoring of American jobs and push down our wages by making us have to
compete with the workers making $0.60 cents an hour.
SCHULTZ: Charlie, Nike saying that they are making real efforts to improve
working conditions, do you believe that?
KERNAGHAN: No, not at all. Not for a second.
SCHULTZ: And so, how would the United States or any country dictate to
them in an agreement or trade agreement that those conditions were change.
I mean that`s basically what the president is saying, that this is got new
language, new provisions, new climate standards, new labor standards. How
in the world will we ever go down that road to make sure that that`s the
KERNAGHAN: Well, it`s a sweatshop all over again. It`s not going to
change until there is very serious attempt to give workers the right to
organize, to have a decent living, to have a voice and not like Vietnam
where workers have no voice whatsoever, 100 percent zero, 330,000 workers
have no rights across Indonesia and elsewhere.
There`s a million workers who are being denied their rights, their most
minimal rights. So we`re still going downward and not upward.
SCHULTZ: Charlie, tell me would you hear an advocate for this trade
agreement say that this is about emerging markets. What does that mean?
What`s your definition of emerging markets?
KERNAGHAN: Oh, just a rip off to working people, just like Bernie Sanders
is talking about so much and so eloquently.
This is not a level playing field. This is just a way like Nike they can
do whatever they want and give these workers such poor wages...
KERNAGHAN: ... and such miserable conditions.
SCHULTZ: And, Lori, what about writing the rules, the president keeps
talking about these rules that if we don`t do this, China is going to write
the rules, what`s he talking about?
WALLACH: Well, first of all, the rules in the TPP are not our rules.
Well, that`s the kind of rules you would have or I would want the most
Americans can benefit from. They`re the rules that the 500 corporate trade
advisors who`ve help to write the TPP got. So what do we see?
The TPP has the old NAFTA style off-shoring promotion rules and when it
comes to labor, basically, what Charlie was saying. We`re not going to see
the wages of folks in Vietnam go up like president guaranteed in speech,
they can buy our stuff because the exact same rules just for instance run a
poor agreement from 2009.
During the period that agreements been in effect, the labor conditions have
gotten worst, are literally rolled back its labor and environmental
standards nothing happen. They wouldn`t thrown out in the agreement, this
is basically saying to the elite in Vietnam and to the companies that want
to offshore go for it just do it.
SCHULTZ: OK. Jim, finally, the president says there`s a level to playing
SCHULTZ: ... what`s your response to that?
KEADY: As a former pro athlete and college athlete, I left, I know what
the level playing field looks like. And in this situation, you know, using
a soccer metaphor it`s 11 against 1 and they bought the referees, right?
This is the playing field is not level.
KEADY: Nike is got everything they want including the president of United
States. Unfortunately, disappointing, many people in our country
supporting this deal.
SCHULTZ: Charles Kernaghan, Jim Keady and Lori Wallach great to have you
with us tonight, thanks for the stories.
Still to come, a city below sea level takes action to keep itself above
water with the help from the White House. In the middle of the country
braces for more severe storms this weekend, we`ll have an update on what
residents going to expect.
Stay with us, we`re right back on the Ed show.
And we are back on the Ed Show.
More devastating storms moved through the middle of the country last night.
Several more tornadoes were spotted in Texas and Kansas Thursday evening
including this one in Slidell, Texas.
And an oil well caught fire in Denton, Texas overnight after being hit by a
lightning. No one was hurt. And investigators say high winds could be a
factor in a train derailment outside of Dallas this morning.
For more, let`s turn to NBC Correspondent Jay Gray in Oklahoma. Jay,
what`s the latest tonight?
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JAY GRAY, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Ed, this is the magnitude of the
devastation already here from the storms. How strong were the winds? Take
a look. This huge RV pushed on its side. And the concern right now, more
storms are on the way here. There`s a flash flood warning in effect and
they could be more powerful than the storms that did all these.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, that`s some like lifting in there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wow.
GRAY: It`s been a violent 48 hours in the heartland.
Flooding rains hail more than 50 tornados and forecasters warned, the next
few days could be even worse.
DAVID FINFROCK, KXAS CHIEF METEOROLOGIST: We`re going to get a little of
everything. I think, flash flooding, maybe the biggest issue but hail,
high winds, tornados, that may all occur as well. And so, we need to be
prepared for any eventuality.
GRAY: But it`s hard to prepare when you`re still picking up the pieces.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve lost everything. I got to kind of start over
GRAY: As so many tried to salvage what they can from the first round of
storms, they must also worry about what comes next.
This weekend, there`s many as 16 million in the potential strikes zone with
severe weather including what meteorologists call "long track tornados",
larger twisters that stay on the ground longer, a dangerous combination.
FINFROCK: I`m afraid the worst is still to come.
GRAY: It`s an ominous warning for those already hit hard battered, but
clearly not broken.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If it hits again, it hits again.
GRAY: Most (inaudible), the winds and water won`t push them away.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re going to stay out of here. This is our home.
GRAY: No matter what it looks like right now or what may be on the way.
Yeah. And that`s the concern here, the roughest of the weather coming back
through likely this evening and all day tomorrow, Ed. So it`s a tough
going will be for a while.
SCHULTZ: It sure is. Jay Gray reporting tonight from Oklahoma, great to
have you with us, my friend, thank you so much.
Up next, the conclusion of our series, "Rising Tide: The Climate Crisis".
JULIA BOORSTIN, CNBC: I`m Julie Boorstin with your CNBC Market Wrap.
Investors cheer today`s employment report. The Dow soars 267 points, the
S&P is up 28, the NASDAQ climbed to 58.
The economy added 223,000 jobs in April roughly inline with estimates. The
unemployment rate edge down to 5.4 percent.
And shares of Visa jump more than 4 percent today, the company is
reportedly in talks to buy its former subsidiary, Visa Europe. Potential
price tag is as much as $20 billion.
That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.
Tonight, we conclude our series, "Rising Tide: The Climate Crisis".
Hoboken, New Jersey is pushing forward. Super storm Sandy left Hoboken 80
percent underwater. Residents went days without water or electricity.
Catastrophic weather events like Sandy could become the norm for the
coastal cities in our country. Without drastic action, they could be in
Tonight`s story is about Hoboken, New Jersey working towards a sustainable
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The really concern about the storm surge which the
National Hurricane Center is classifying as a life-threatening storm surge.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And very dangerous situation. The best advice, yes,
stay at home...
SCHULTZ: On October 29th, 2012, Hurricane Sandy barreled into the tri-
BEN STRAUSS, CLIMATE CENTRAL: New York Harbor is shaped like a funnel
which has a great potential to amplify storm surges.
SCHULTZ: The storm surge devastated coastal New Jersey and New York
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Restoring that power and getting the mass transit
system backup and running are the biggest issues facing New York City.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sandy was one of the largest mass transit disasters in
our nation`s history.
GERALD MEEHL, NATIONAL CENTER FOR ATMOSPHERIC RESEARCH: Events like Sandy
tend to focus people`s attention on whether extremes and that to have a
climate change aspect to them.
SCHULTZ: Hoboken, New Jersey was specially hit hard. The city on the
banks of the Hudson River actually sits below sea level.
STRAUSS: Jersey City and Hoboken have a tremendous amount of high density
development and very low lying areas. And the whole Jersey shore and that
of recreational economy is at risk as well.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That 500 million gallons of water flooded this Mile
Square City if you can imagine during the height of Hurricane Sandy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is definitely worse we`ve seen in this area. It`s
something that -- I never seen it like this.
MAYOR DAWN ZIMMER, HOBOKEN, NEW JERSEY: 8 percent of the city was under
water. You know, we basically, became an island. Hudson River came in on
us and we were an island for about five days.
SCHULTZ: Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer, she knows her city is on the front
lines in the fight against climate change.
ZIMMER: I`ve known that climate change is a serious threat for Hoboken and
flooding as major challenge that we face.
What`s happening with climate change is that, it making things more severe.
So we`re facing more and more storms like this, we`re facing more and more
heavy rain events. So I think, it may have -- climate change may have made
that storm even more severe.
STRAUSS: The risk is here and now. It`s not a future risk. A lot of the
damage we already suffer from coastal floods is enhanced by the sea level
as we`ve already seen.
SCHULTZ: It`s not just hurricanes. Hoboken deals with the effects of
climate change on a regular basis.
Since 1958, there has been 71 percent increase in heavy downpours in the
ZIMMER: Since Sandy, we`ve had, you know, about six or seven major rain
events. In fact, we have a little bit of flooding yesterday from the rain.
So it happens on the regular basis and so, you know, the science says more
rain, more heavy rain is coming.
SEN. BOB MENENDEZ, (D) NEW JERSEY: I want to stress the importance of
investing now so we don`t have to pay again the next time this happens.
SCHULTZ: President Obama appointed Mayor Zimmer to his climate change task
OBAMA: Last month, I announced the new competitive fund of $1 billion.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And trying to come up with solutions that effective on
OBAMA: We want the best idea to become models for the whole country.
ZIMMER: My voice on that climate change task force was to say we really
need to focus also on the urban areas and what we`re doing to help
especially communities that are facing real flooding challenging. And with
the approach that we take with, you know, flooding for urban areas. And
so, I was trilled that, you know, out of that process came the rebuild by
the designed. And they`re doing it on a national scale.
SCHULTZ: Rebuild by designed is a competition between the world`s talented
researchers and designers. The goal is infrastructure projects that
protects against climate change.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In cases like sea level rise. We all seats in the same
boat and on the same coast, we building by design is an opportunity to
invent some of this long-term planning into short and medium-term
ZIMMER: I just think it`s a fantastic program and that is the direction
made you think outside the box. You keep doing the same thing again and
again and ending up with the same results. And so, you know, I`m trilled
that they`re moving ahead with the national program and I`m trilled that we
were able to win $230 million to move forward with protecting our city.
SCHULTZ: Mayor Zimmer has a clear plan to protect Hoboken.
ZIMMER: The water came in from the south and from the north, so we need to
really protect the city and protect from that having that storm surge
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As you can see here it came up to about four feet or
ZIMMER: If the north end of Hoboken, they`ll be money from rebuilt by
design process $230 million, a portion of that will go towards protecting
the northern and where the water came in. And so part of that resist
strategy is really and try and make -- not just create a wall but do
something that create an amenity for the community. So we`ve design a boat
house that will -- that could flood underneath, but behind it would be a
flood wall to really protect.
And on top of that we want to have a resiliency center where people can
come, learn more about, you know, how to have green roof, how to have green
barrels, how to have, you know, all kinds of different things. And
ultimately, we`d like to create that as almost a job training center where
people can come.
And I think it can sort incentives people to be involve and think about
what can you -- also, in addition to what the city is doing, what can
residents and building owners also do to be a part of the solution.
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SCHULTZ: And you can our entire series on our website at ed.msnbc.com.
Still to come, John Kerry asked for trust on the Iran nuclear deal while
Congress asked for more transparency.
Stay tuned, we`ll right back on the Ed Show.
SCHULTZ: Tonight in our Two-minute Drill, deflection, a guy who knows just
a thing or two about controversies shared his thoughts on Tom Brady.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CHRISTIE: I don`t think anybody is really trying to say that Tom Brady won
4 Super Bowls or became, you know, a future Hall of Famer because the balls
where little under inflated. To take a couple of shots in him, people like
that every once and awhile. I think its way, way overblown.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Holly smokes, I got a fever. I agree with Chris Christie.
Christie is devoted Cowboys fan but still has Tom Brady`s back.
Brady came out in front of the cameras for the first time since the Ted
Wells released his report.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BRADY: I haven`t had much time to digest it fully but when I do I`ll be
sure to let, you know, how I feel about it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you that slower reader?
BRADY: Well, my athletic career has been better than my academic career.
So, I used to reading X`s and O`s. We earned and achieved everything that
we got this year as a team. I`m proud of that and our fans would be too.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: University of Michigan got to be proud of that comment.
The NFL could hand down their dissimilarity ruling as early as this evening
according to Boston Club. Brady may still be digesting by then.
Stick around lots more coming up on the Ed Show. We`ll right back.
SCHULTZ: And we are back.
Finally tonight, the Iran nuclear deal could be a reality late next month.
Lot of people think it`s going to happen.
In France, Secretary State John Kerry struck a harsh tone on Iranian
aggression in the region.
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KERRY: We remain concerned about Iran`s destabilizing actions in the
region, and it is precisely because of those concerns that we believe it is
so important that Iran not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. And we
will continue to work with our friends and allies in the region.
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SCHULTZ: Earlier today, Neocon at Bill Kristol attacked Kerry in a Weekly
Standard. He wrote, "We don`t have a serious or sophisticated negotiator
we have John Kerry. So deal would be catastrophic".
On Thursday, the Senate passed legislation giving lawmakers a chance to
vote on the deal before sanctions are lifted.
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SEN. BOB CORKER, (R) TENNESSEE: For first time in 8 years and 4 to 5
months that I`ve served in the Senate that I can remember, Congress
inserting itself and taking power back that are already been granted to a
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: The White House says President Obama is ready to sign the bill as
long as house lawmakers don`t make any big changes.
I`m joined tonight Lacie Heeley, she`s a fellow at Steemson Center also
with us tonight Joe Cirincione, President of the Ploughshares Fund, great
to have both of you with us.
Lacie, what does the Senate bill essentially do at this point?
LACIE HEELEY, FELLOW, THE STEEMSON CENTER: Yes. The Senate bill
ultimately at this point, it allows Congress to weigh in on an eventual
nuclear deal if one is achieve but it really doesn`t have the piece (ph) of
the original bill.
So this is this is ultimately really, I would say, an endorsement for
diplomacy, Ed. This was negotiated by Senators Cardin and Corker, and
ultimately, you know, they came down to a bipartisan negotiation, a
bipartisan agreement that the White House supports more than it supported
the original bill. They took out a lot of the original damaging
provisions. And this will ultimately be a chance of the Senate to weigh in
and for Congress to weigh in but not kill a deal.
SCHULTZ: Joe Cirincione, what kind of conversations did you have with the
Iranian diplomats? How do you feel about that?
JOE CIRINCIONE, PRESIDEMNT, PLOUGHSHARES FUND: Well, just last week, I was
off with the United Nations and I talked with a Foreign Minister Zarif, he
is the Iranian head negotiator on this deal. They`re little frustrated
with some of the -- some of the statements they hear coming out of the
White House that that sort of a crowing about how much we`ve achieved. I
understand why Secretary Kerry saying this. We`ve got a very good deal
We are -- with this deal if we get to finalized it, we`ll roll back Iran`s
program, shrink it to a fraction of its size, lock it up and put it under
So Zarif is trying to sell this to his hard liners, he doesn`t like be U.S.
boasting. But I think the negotiators are in very good shape right now.
They are now working around the clock. As of Friday they have been working
nonstop to finalize this deal by the end of June. The actions you saw in
the Senate really eliminate the last major impediment to Congress being
able to stop this.
And then just yesterday, we got a letter from 150 Democrats strongly
supporting the negotiations in effect making sure that there is a veto
proof segment of the house that will stop any attempt to kill the eventual
SCHULTZ: So, Joe, what the sense do we have from the Iranian people that
they really want this? And that if this happens, it will hold within their
society that there wouldn`t some of kind of revolt.
CIRINCIONE: Well, I`m glad you brought this up because the American people
need to look a little past the rhetoric of the hard liners in the regime
including Supreme Leader Khamenei, and look at the Iranian people who is
some of the most pro-American populations we have in the middle east.
I`ve been to Teran, they love Americans. When they got the original
framework agreement, April 2nd, the Iran negotiators came back to the
airport there were mob as if they just won the Super Bowl. People are
cheering. They see this is the beginning of Iran opening up as it
beginning of the society opening up. So the Iranian people back this deal
SCHULTZ: Lacie, what about what Secretary Kerry was talking about the
posturing and the involvement that the Iranians are aggressively showing in
the Middle East? Is this not a problem?
HEELEY: Yes. So this absolutely this is an issue. This is an issue,
however, its original issue. This is one that it has a long history and
it`s unrelated to this current negotiation.
Ultimately the U.S. and its partners, in the region its partners, around
the world are going to be safer with this nuclear deal, with a deal that
keeps the run from getting nuclear weapons.
So honestly, that Iranian aggression, that`s all the more reason why we
need to have inspectors on the ground watching Iran`s nuclear (inaudible).
SCHULTZ: And what about Bill Kristol`s criticism of John Kerry?
HEELEY: Yeah. So, I mean, I think that this is...
SCHULTZ: He says it`s going to be a catastrophe?
HEELEY: Yeah. This is not going to be a catastrophe. This is an
important deal. This is one that keeps us safer and more secure that`s the
most important thing here. What`s a really a catastrophe and what`s really
dangerous here is the posturing that`s happening on the other side.
SCHULTZ: Joe, are you -- convinced that those who oppose this in America
are on the other wrong side of history?
CIRINCIONE: Yes, they are and they`re in a minority. It`s clear than --
what the -- the 151 democrats who signed the letter today represent. The
American people are strongly in favor this deal. You look at the polls 60
percent, 65 percent approve this (ph), the latest Quinnipiac Poll 77
percent of the American people prefers a diplomatic solution over war. The
core of the American security establishment, Brzezinski, Scowcroft, Mike
Mullen, former Joint Chief of Staff, strongly in favor of this diplomatic
This allowed persistent very well-funded minority that`s making noise Bill
Kristol is trying to raise money of it. I understand that ultimately he`s
going to lose.
SCHULTZ: So the Israelis are wrong on this?
CIRINCIONE: The current Likud party headed by Prime Minister Netanyahu is
wrong on this but let`s see what they see after the deal. I believe once
they get a final deal, June 30th, you`ll see a lot of Israeli rhetoric
SCHULTZ: Lacie, will they believe the deal?
HEELEY: I think that they will when they see it work out. I think that
all of those who were opposed the deal right now will have to have it
proven to them. And I think that that`s there`re nothing wrong with that
it will be.
SCHULTZ: So at the end of the day, Lacie, the 47 signatures that were on
that letter were non-factor from the United States Senate?
HEELEY: Yeah. Ultimately they weren`t a factor. It really getting
through this bipartisan negotiation on this agreement. I mean folks agree
that this is a good thing for United States security and...
SCHULTZ: So Tom Cotton, Joe, was a tool politically because he`s efforts
seem to have failed.
CIRINCIONE: He grossly overplayed his hand, he complicated the U.S.
negotiating position, his letter was raise by the Iran negotiators who are
saying, "Well, can you can really deliver on this deal?" So what undercut
the U.S. as we are trying to negotiate with one of our chief adversaries
and, ultimately, isolated Tom Cotton. I mean who`s going to sign a letter
written by Tom Cotton again?
SCHULTZ: And quickly, Joe, the sanctions, what will happen to them? Will
they slowly come off in overtime, what does this mean?
CIRINCIONE: The way the current plan is laid out most of the sanctions
will be suspended almost immediately but then there be ready to snapback
SCHULTZ: OK. Joe Cirincione, Lacie Heeley, great to have you with us
tonight, thank you so much.
That`s the Ed show, I`m Ed Schultz. PoliticsNation with Reverend Al
Sharpton starts right now.
Good evening, Rev.
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