The Ed Show for Wednesday, May 13th, 2015
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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: May 13, 2015
Guest: Michael Nutter, Paul Cheung, Beth Davidz, Ede Sinkovics, Mark
RICHARD LUI, "THE ED SHOW" HOST: And good evening. Welcome to the Ed Show
from Washington, D.C. I`m Richard Lui in for Ed Schultz.
Breaking news, in the deadly Amtrak train accident in Philadelphia, we are
waiting at this moment for the National Transportation Safety Board. Any
minute, officials will give us a briefing with the latest information.
We`ll go straight to that shortly.
In the meantime, seven people confirmed that at this hour, more than 200
have been treated for injuries. Officials saying estimated 243 individuals
were on that train. The search for survivors continues now.
We have some audio, the emergency radio transmissions that have also been
released. Take a listen.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
Notify Amtrak to shut down the entire northeast corridor. We have major
events here. We have people on the track and a couple of cars overturned.
We`re going to classify this as a mass casualty incident. We have at least
10 cars overturned, a lot of patients and rescues to be made. We have over
50 patients at west division. Correction, we have over 50 patients at east
division. Still have multiple rescues to be made. Still pulling out a lot
of patients in this area where the tracks are still hot.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
LUI: Now, the NTSB confirms preliminary data shows the train speed
exceeded 100 miles an hour prior to derailment. Further calibrations are
being conducted at the moment, all right.
Let`s bring in NBC News Correspondent Ayman Mohyeldin who is close to that
Ayman, we`ve been hearing from Mayor Nutter, we`ve been getting information
coming in from NTSB. We are waiting for them to give us the latest
information they have. We understand that they will be giving us some new
information. What do you hearing there, Ayman?
AYMAN MOHYELDIN, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. The NTSB is going to be
holding a press conference in a few minutes from now where they going to be
shedding light on the investigation. Here are some of the facts that we do
know so far about what has been recovered here at the scene. Most
importantly is that, data recorder, the event recorded that is considered
the black box of the train if you will.
It has all kinds of information, including signaling information, and it`s
going to be very critical in the ongoing investigation. We also know that
there is a forward-facing camera onboard, there`s going to be a lot of
video perhaps, some images that could shed light as to where and when
exactly that train derailed.
Now, you`re saying that derailment took place last night at 9:00 P.M. local
time here. It`s a seven car train that was derailed. One of them
completely mangle, three overturned, three in complete disarray. It`s
still very much in active scene here, according to Philadelphia Mayor
Michael Nutter. And as you were saying, seven people gut 200 or so treated
in local area hospitals.
But NTSB is going to be focusing its investigation onto different factors,
including signaling factors, the train operation and more importantly, the
actions of the engineer at that time of this derailment. They have not
shed light yet onto the specific cause of the derailment.
They have confirmed that these people was going -- that the train was going
at a speed of about 100 miles per hour. In a turn that was supposed to be
50 miles per hour. So it gives you a sense that it was moving at about
double the speed of what it should have been at that time and this, given
the fact that the train was supposed to be entering that turn...
MOHYELDIN: ... you know, slowing down from speed of about 70 miles per
hour. So it is a very important point right now, but the NTSB is not
saying that could have been the only excuse for the derailment, Richard.
LUI: So, Ayman, the big question is, you`re intimating here how did this
happen, what are the factors behind how this may have happened.
But -- before we get maybe some of those pieces of information from NTSB,
very, very shortly, give us a sense of how what you are talking about
earlier today, might be a little bit different today. What`s been the arc
of the story so far, now 5:00 local time?
MOHYELDIN: Well, you know, if you ask obviously (ph) city officials and
they have been briefing the media here. Their focus right now is on
accounting for everybody that was on that train. You know, they put the
number out there. That has been their main focus over the course of the
past 24 hours. Identifying the injuries, the victims, people may have
walked away, making sure they are getting all the treatment. That without
a doubt has been their primary focus.
The secondary focus obviously is the investigation. And what has emerged
over the course of the past 24 hours has been at least in terms of the most
important piece of information is the speed of the train.
Now, could that have been the only reason. That is what we`re going to
find out from the NTSB perhaps in a few minutes or in the coming days. But
that`s certainly is a critical piece of information because it certainly
sheds light on how fast the train was going...
MOHYELDIN: ... how dangerous it may have been around that turn. The NTSB
says though, it`s not the only important piece of information, signaling
factors could be important as well, as well as the engineers own actions
during the time of the derailment.
So those are the three factors the NTSB says it will be looking at, but
they have not come out and said, anyone of those factors is right now the
single factor in causing this derailment.
LUI: Very quickly, Ayman. We`ve got to go but I want to get a sense, what
is this neighborhood like? Is it industrial or is it residential?
MOHYELDIN: This is a very residential neighborhood. In fact, we`ve had a
chance to walk around. It is a neighborhood of very condense raw houses, a
lot of tributaries here from the Delaware River, a lot of people that we`ve
been speaking to here, you know, very middle-class, ordinary folks...
LUI: All right.
MOHYELDIN: ... surprised by what happen here last night, some of them
going out to the scene, seeing some of the (inaudible), seeing some of the
injured rather and those that were being treated. We spoke to some who got
pictures on their phone and others. But -- very much a community here that
has been shocked by what is happened behind them.
LUI: Ayman Mohyeldin live on site there. Thank you so much.
We now bring in Joy-Ann Reid, MSNBC National Correspondent. Joy, as we
look at some of the issue regarding those who are injured. And I
understand you`ve been following that very closely based on your location
there at the hospital.
We got this latest information from one of the chief medical officers there
at Temple. And what he was saying is, he was surprised at the number of
rib fractures because all of the patients that he had seen and that he was
supervising had rib fractures, what do heard from where you`re at?
JOY-ANN REID, MSNBC NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah absolutely, Richard. And
we are here in front of Temple University Hospital and Dr. Cushing who you
are just speaking of who came out and did a press conference a short while
ago, talked about the number of rib fractures, lung injuries, and patients
coming in with that kind of a fracture. He said, those are not surprising
injuries for people who were inside of a moving vehicle and inside of a
crash. So they`re not unexpected fracture, actually, Dr. Cushing said he
was surprised that there were not more lung collapses, things like that.
And that there were not more head injuries, surprising number because, of
course as we know, people were not belted into seatbelt in those cars of
So given the kind of accident and the, you know, sort of catastrophic
nature of what happened to that train, Dr. Cushing had said, he was
surprised that there weren`t event more head injuries, but yes, most of the
injuries they`re seeing are things like broken bones but also a lot of
LUI: And part of that, for those who have not ridden these trains before
on the regional, the luggage seats above the passenger`s heads and really
there isn`t much other than a small little rope about the size of -- the
thickness of a big shoestring that keeps many of these pieces of luggage
from falling over. And given at their very few at least based on what Dr.
Cushing is saying from his patients, very few head injuries that might be,
really a saving grace here in terms of the information is giving.
REID: Yeah. And I mean, people who travel very often on the Amtrak train,
which I do well know bit, people often come onto the train not with a lot
of luggage honestly. People don`t bring the extensive amount of baggage.
A lot of people are traveling short distances. It`s 2-hour and 45-minute
ride between here and New York City so a lot of people don`t have a lot of
heavy luggage that they`re putting overhead. There`s also compartments in
the front of the car, where you can put your larger luggage before going to
So it`s not a lot of luggage typically in that overhead compartment that
could fly around. I think the real danger to people is that fact that A,
people are the not belted in, B, you have a lot of people walking around
standing around in the car to sort of freely moving throughout those train
cars, and it is a condense space with a lot of people in it.
So the kind of injuries that we`re seeing Dr. Cushing said, were not
particularly surprising. One of the fatalities that we do know about,
James Marshall Gains III (ph) who was 49 -- we`re not sure if he`s just 49
or 48 years old, but James Marshall Gains III was typical of the really --
serious injuries we saw and he was one of the people who die overnight. He
had a very serious chest wound. He came in with, you know, sort of a
catastrophic injury to the chest area.
So again, Dr. Cushing saying these are not just fairly surprising given the
nature of the way people are riding in the car and the way the train rolled
over and crashed.
LUI: OK. Joy, the NTSB now coming to the microphone. Joy-Ann Reid there,
thank you so much. They will be giving us the very latest information they
found. Let`s take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ROBERT SUMWALT, NTSB BOARD MEMBER: Well, good evening. My name is Robert
Sumwalt and I`m a board member with the National Transportation Safety
The NTSB as many of you know is an independent federal agency, we`re charge
by Congress to investigate transportation accidents, to determine the
probable cause and then issue safety recommendations to try and keep these
accidents from happening again.
Before I go, any further -- I would like to offer our sincere condolences
for the lost of lives and the injuries that people have sustained, and out
thoughts and prayers are truly with them.
NTSB investigators again arriving here in Philadelphia between 4:00 and
5:00 this morning and the majority of the go-team was in place here in
Philadelphia for about 9:30 this morning.
Upon arrival here on the scene, we coordinated with the local officials,
the first responders, and then we conducted a pretty thorough walk through
-- of the accident site to be able to get an idea of what we`re dealing
with, sort of the lay of the land.
At noon, we held an organizational meeting where we establish our
investigator protocols and parties to the investigation.
The investigator in-charge is Mike Flanagan. Mike has over 40 years of
rail road experience and he has more than 15 years of accident
investigation experience with the NTSB. He is leading a multi-disciplinary
team of accident investigators that will be looking into the track. The
signals and I`m talking about the train control signal system, the
operations of the train, the mechanical condition of the train conclude the
break system, recorders survival factors and emergency responds.
In addition to our investigative team, we have experts from the NTSB office
of Transportation Disastrous Assistance. They are here to help facilitate
the needs of the victims and their families.
Here`s the factual information that we presently have.
Last evening, Amtrak 188 an Amtrak north eastern -- north east regional
train departed Philadelphia`s 30th Street Station at 9:10 P.M. bound for
New York City`s Penn Station.
The train consisted of one locomotive and seven passenger cars and
according to Amtrak there were 238 passengers and a crew of 5 for total of
243 occupants of the train.
At approximately 9:21 P.M. while traveling to left-hand turn, the entire
train derailed. Just moments before the derailment, the train was placed
into engineer-induced braking and this means that the engineer applied full
emergency, a full emergency brake application.
Maximum authorize speed through this curve was 50 miles per hour. When the
engineer induce brake application was applied, the train was traveling at
approximately 106 miles per hour, three seconds later when the data to the
recorder is terminated, the train speed was 102 miles per hour. I will
indicate that this are preliminary figures of speed subject to further
validation but we`re pretty close on that. That`s our first look at it.
It`s a pretty complex thing. You don`t just press a button and press, and
then spits out the speed, we have to measures the wheel speed and then put
that into a formula. But we`re pretty confident that the train was
traveling pretty close to those speeds within 1 mile, 1 or 2 miles per
The train had recorders, it had forward-facing video cameras and they had
an event data recorder. Most of these recorders are being sent to our
laboratory for analysis in Washington, D.C. We did get these initial
speeds that we just provide you with from an initial download of the event
We released the track back to Amtrak and they will begin rebuilding it very
The locomotive and all the two of the train passenger cars are currently
being move to a secure location where detailed examination and
documentation can occur.
Throughout the next few days, the investigators will work on scene to
thoroughly document the accident site and gather factual information. We
will be doing a more detailed documentation of the rail cars in the scene.
We plan to interview the train crew and other personnel. We would like to
interview passengers of the train, we will be conducting a site distance
test. We`ll be testing the signal system, the train control signals.
We`ll be testing the braking system and do detailed analysis instead of the
cursory analysis that I mentioned earlier of the recorders. We`ll be doing
a very detailed download and analysis of those recorders.
Our mission is to find out not only what happened but why it happened so
that we can prevent it from happening again. That`s really what we`re here
for, is learn from these things so that we can keep it from happening
I suspect that our investigators will be here in Philadelphia on scene for
about a week.
I want to emphasize that we`re not here on scene to determine the calls of
the accident while we`re on scene. We`re not going to speculate our
purpose for being here. I like to describe instantly, we are here so
collect perishable evidence which is that information that will go away
with the passage of time. That`s really what we`re here to do, is collect
that information that will go away with the passage of time. We can go
back and do the analysis later but we have to capture those data very
I feel like for just arriving on scene this morning, I feel like the
preliminary information that we have is robust but we still have a lot to
get. I know that you have a lot of questions, we have a lot of questions,
and our commitment to you is, is that we are -- as we are discovering
factual information, we will be releasing it. I would be looking forward
press conference about this time tomorrow to tell you what we`ve learn,
tomorrow, and that`s the way it works.
Our investigators around in the field during their jobs during the day and
they report back to me so I can report to you. I would encourage you to
follow us on Twitter. Our Twitter handle is @ntsb.
As I wrap it up, I`d like to thank the first responders for all of their
efforts. They`ve been out here through the night, through the early
morning, whole day trying to secure this area. We want to thank them for
their hard efforts.
Now, I will call for questions. I`m going to call for questions. What I
would like you to do is raise your hand, I will call on you and once I call
on you please state your name and you outlet. Let`s start.
SUMWALT: Have we talked to the engineer? The answer to that is no but we
plan to this person has gone through a very traumatic event and we want to
give him an opportunity to convalesce for a day or so before we interview
him. But that is certainly a high priority for us is to interview the
train crew, right here.
SUMWALT: So the question is, at what point did the train reached 106 miles
per hour? Our initial examination of the data -- we have not gone back
that far because it is a very detailed analysis of reading those data. We
wanted to find out the speed so we can report those to you.
We will be coming up with the timeline. That`s one of the things we will
do. But we don`t have those exact figures at this point.
SUMWALT: Any alarms in the in the cab of the locomotive and we will
discover that information we should through the cockpit date of from -- I`m
sorry, from the cab -- from the event recorders. Yes, sir, right here.
SUMWALT: The question is, do I know if there`s anymore fatalities and the
information concerning the fatalities. I don`t want to sound bureaucratic,
we are here to investigate the accident and that`s our lane. The released
of the information on the injuries and fatalities that is the domain of the
Philadelphia Office Of Emergency Management, so they would have that
information and so that`s the answer to that. We`ll come here.
ROSEMARY CONNOR, NBC10 PHILADELPHIA: Rosemary Connor, NBC10 Philadelphia.
You mentioned that the engineer applied full emergency braking system just
before this crash happened. Would that have been enough to bring this skid
under the level it should have been which is too late?
SUMWALT: Well, the question is, the engineer applied the -- put the train
into emergency braking a few seconds before, moments before the derailment.
And in the next three seconds, three or four seconds, the speed of train
had only decreased to 102. As we know, it takes a long time and distance
to decelerate a train.
SUMWALT: How long would it take to get the speed down below -- the track
speed of 50 miles an hour? Well, it was already in the curve at that
point. You`re supposed to enter the curves at 50 miles an hour. We`ll
take the question right here.
SUMWALT: The question is, is the black box -- the event data recorder --
is that at Amtrak? Is that what your question is?
SUMWALT: Yeah. We took it to -- and that`s the question. We took the
even recorder to Amtrak`s facilities because they have the equipment
locally to download it, so we took it there for the preliminary look. But
now, we`re taking it to our own labs in Washington, D.C.
SUMWALT: Question right here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many event recorders are there?
SUMWALT: How many event recorders are there? There`s one event recorder
and that`s in the locomotive. In addition to the event recorder, there is
a forward-facing camera.
SUMWALT: There`s question here.
SUMWALT: Was the train equipped with any type of device that could have or
should have slowed it down to keep it within its limits?
Amtrak throughout a good bit of the northeastern corridor has a system
called Advanced Civil Speed Enforcement. That`s called ACSE.
ACSE is installed throughout most of the northeast corridor for Amtrak.
However, it is not installed for this area where the accident occurred,
where the derailment occurred. That type of the system, we call it a
positive train control system -- that type of system is designed to enforce
the civil speed to keep the train below its maximum speed. And so, we have
called for positive train control for many, many years. It`s on our most
wanted list. Congress has mandated that it be installed by the end of this
year. So we are very keen on positive train control.
Based on what we know right now, we feel that had such a system been
installed in this section of track, this accident would not have occurred.
SUMWALT: Right here.
SUMWALT: Is this train equipped with a dead man`s switch? Some trains
have it and some don`t. Oftentimes in place of the dead man`s switch, they
have an alerter. So if there`s no activity from the engineer within a
certain period of time, an oral and visual alerter will activate in the
cabin of the locomotive. And then, if engineer then makes a throttle
movement or something that will be active.
SUMWALT: We want to know exactly what was in that car.
SUMWALT: All right.
SUMWALT: Let me call on you on -- go take a question, right here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When was the last time the rail was actually
inspected in post accident, what did you investigation (inaudible)?
SUMWALT: Well, when was the last time the rail was inspected, post
accident -- before accident and post accident?
A rail geometry car ran -- went over across the track yesterday. And as
far as our thorough examination of the track, you got to understand there`s
been a lot of activity out there right now. The cars have been piled up
out there. So our real thorough examination of the car of the track will
begin after those cars have thoroughly removed. And I expect we`ll be out
there documenting that tomorrow.
SUMWALT: The question right here.
SUMWALT: So there are some rail tank cars that were very close to the
point of derailment. Were they empty? I`m told, I want to further verify
this. I`m told that they were not full at the time of the accident.
There`s a question right here.
SUMWALT: Do we know how long the engineer had operated this route and how
long had he been with Amtrak? That`s the type of information, I don`t
consider that perishable evidence. That`s data that we can get two weeks
What we`re trying to do right now is get out there and measure everything
that won`t be here in two weeks. So to answer your question, we don`t
know. I can`t tell you right now because I don`t know how long he had been
there. But that`s the information we will get. So we want to interview
him, we want to review his training records, his employment records, that
There`s a question right here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When did the train start moving faster than this...
LUI: All right. The very latest from the NTSB, the headline right now in
this breaking news that`s coming out of this news briefing there in
Philadelphia at the site of the regional train 188 is that, the maximum
allowed speed at that turn, according to the NSTB, 50 miles an hour. The
data and information they`ve got from the recorder says, it was traveling
at 106 miles an hour when it entered that curve that have the speed limit
of 50 miles an hour. In which time, emergency brakes were applied and then,
the speed decreased to 102. At which time, data then ceased to be
recorded. The crash then happened.
Joining us right now -- joining us is Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter.
Mayor, you`ve been very, very busy. You heard big headline coming from the
NTSB. And, you know, that was the question, right? What was the speed?
What was the speed limit and what is that that they`re looking for at the
moment on the ground?
We heard so much in the very short amount of time. First off, I want to
get your reaction from that headline coming from the NTSB, doubled the
speed limit there.
MAYOR MICHAEL NUTTER, (D) PHILADELPHIA: Well, I mean, that`s just
devastating information. And again, would indicate a preventable accident,
why the horrific tragedy.
This, obviously, and I did not hear a reason for the train going that fast,
106 miles an hour on a 50-mile limit in terms of that section of the track.
And, you know, I don`t know when we`ll know why that was a particular case
but as was indicated, clearly a preventable accident and that loss of life,
the injuries, the incredible damage, it just breaks your heart to hear
something like this. And unless something really went wrong with the
engineer in those moments, I mean, it`s just heartbreaking.
LUI: It is heartbreaking. And you`ve been very consistent and that
concern because you have a neighborhood, a residential neighborhood that
not always looking at the back of their house, as you have the families
that are involved with the passengers on that train.
NUTTER: Right. I mean, you know, individuals -- their remains have been
taken to our medical examiner. I mean, we`ve had to notify families that
they lost their loved one. We have other people who are still trying to
figure out where their loved one maybe.
I mean, these are, you know, they`re human beings. I mean, these are not
just, you know, stories, you know, somewhere in some other place. It`s
right here in our city, in the heart of a neighborhood. The neighbors feel
terrible, obviously about this and our city is mourning.
This kind of accident, we don`t know why this happened. We know now what
happened but we don`t know why it happened and clearly...
LUI: Mayor Michael Nutter there, live on location for us in Philadelphia
at the site, and clearly a difficult time for the Mayor. I believe that
Mayor Nutter is now back with us.
Mayor Nutter, so well-expressed there. Share with us if you can, one of
the conversations you have had with one of the residents in that area or
one of the family members of those who were involved in this crash.
NUTTER: Well, I talked to a resident from our earlier press conference and
she literally just brought out a cup of -- two cups of coffee that she had
made to just wanted to do something, and was almost in tears as she gave it
to us. She`s also -- we`ve been, you know, open at this for a long, long
period of time since last night.
We`re now 18 hours or so into this event. Community people want to do
something. This is Philadelphia, the City of Brotherly Love and Sisterly
Affection, people that actually take that very, very seriously.
So they want to know what to do but they are in pain. This train comes
through their neighborhood, in their backyards as you indicated virtually
and, you know, we`d just had a loss to understand now even with this
information why did this happen, what is this about.
And on behalf of a million and a half people and growing here on
Philadelphia, we express the deepest sympathies and sorrow to all of these
family members, those who`ve lost their love one, people who are injured
and those that were still searching for.
LUI: Mayor Nutter, what`s next? Where do you focusing on to the next 24
NUTTER: The search continues. We continue the matching of Amtrak manifest
in terms of who we think may have been on the train. Again, just because
someone bought a ticket doesn`t necessarily mean they were on that train.
Sometimes people in these trains are booked another train or something like
that. We know the people that we have seen in our hospitals or at our
family center in terms of getting information from them.
So we`re trying to match up all of that information, we`re trying to get
phone numbers. We`ve put out a number for people to let us know if they
are OK and hadn`t checked in with us before.
So the search continues, NTSB is doing their investigation, Federal Railway
Administration is doing their investigation, we`re here to, of course,
support their effort to Philadelphia Fire Department, Police Department,
Homeland Security, state police, all doing a fantastic job and working
LUI: We assure your concern and of course look forward to all of the
investigation moving forward in a very expeditious way as they are now on
ground. They said they`re going to be there another week. Mayor Michael
Nutter, I appreciate...
LUI: ... you stopping by from the great city of Philadelphia.
NUTTER: Thank you.
LUI: I appreciate your time.
We have more in the deadly train derailment in Philadelphia right after
LUI: All right. Sure (ph) back to the derailment of Amtrak regional train
188, at least seven people confirmed dead. The piece of information, we
just got within the last 15 minutes from the NTSB.
At this curve, the speed limit, 50 miles an hour, the NTSB saying based on
the data coming from the recorder, more than double that speed limit.
Yet, there were many survivors. The search for additional ones continues
at this hour, polling one, again, seven dead so far from that location, all
Now, I want to get straight to some individuals who are on that train, 188,
they survive. We have Beth Davidz a freelance journalist. We have Ede
Sinkovics an artist who joins us by phone from Trenton, New Jersey, also
Paul Cheung from the Associated Press who also joins us by phone.
Paul, starting with you. You just heard the headline, double the speed
limit, did you -- and I know it`s tough to get a sense of speed, you`ve
been asked this several times since last night. But now as you hear the
headline, what`s your reaction?
PAUL CHEUNG, AMTRAK DERAILMENT SURVIVOR: And again, everything happens so
fast, you don`t really think much about it. All I know is like, when you
are in a car or in a New York City subway, when someone is planning to
break really hard. And suddenly, everything just kind of stop and the
whole thing sake left to right. And, you know, in that situation you know,
oh-oh, something is not right here.
LUI: Something is not right. And Beth, tell us about where you were on
these seven cars and now that you hear about this headline, about double
the speed limit, any sense of this, have you do travel a lot and do get a
sense that you might be going too fast?
BETH DAVIDZ, AMTRAK DERAILMENT SURVIVOR: I mean, I travel this actually
pretty often between like New York and Philly or New York and D.C...
DAVIDZ: I mean, on a train, I just didn`t feel -- I just felt like a
normal trip. I mean, I was on the phone, ended a conversation and then, I
just felt like, you know, just we`re taking a turn, you know, you just felt
that like (inaudible) the car was just wobbling and then that`s when you
knew it was actually seating (ph) over.
I was in the third car, business class, there`s a flat car (ph) in that
So I mean, it was one...
LUI: Was that the quiet car?
DAVIDZ: No. I was the one right after the quiet car.
LUI: I got it.
DAVIDZ: But it was on the side so, I mean, it was when the situation where
we actually had to climb up over the chairs to like get up to the -- climb
to the window.
LUI: Are you injured?
DAVIDZ: Although, I`m looking like I was in bad fight, I`m fine.
LUI: Well, that`s good. I`m so glad to hear that for you there, Beth.
And so, tell me about what you think from the NTSB, that just coming out in
last 15 minutes, that double the speed limit headline.
DAVIDZ: I mean, in the experience, I mean, it just that moment is like, is
this really going wrong. And then, it just kind of that moment of, you
know, it`s kind of survival when you`re kind of in the dark. I mean,
experiencing it, I mean, I wasn`t thinking that is 100 or not, I didn`t
hear a crash.
DAVIDZ: I mean, it`s one of things that that`s -- we don`t know what cause
it. And at the moment, I mean, you aren`t necessarily thinking that, you
just can`t believe that is actually happened.
LUI: Ede Sinkovics.
EDE SINKOVICS, AMTRAK DERAILMENT SURVIVOR: Yup.
LUI: You`re in Trenton, New Jersey, what car where you in and what`s your
thought about where we are now, with seven confirmed dead, still looking
for more and this information again coming out from the NTSP.
SINKOVICS: Yup. So actually, I was the end of the car position (ph), and
you know, I had just set up my phone to don`t fall asleep before Trenton,
you know. And I was checking time on my phone, it was 9:15 (inaudible) and
I just slide down my phone and the train start to shake, the light was
going down, you know. There just some flashing, there just flashing
sometimes and then, I feel (inaudible) cover, you know, it just lifted me
from my feet. You know, And they just start to roll around (inaudible),
you know, and the lucky (inaudible) to you, you know, other passengers, you
know, I (inaudible) another passengers and then, you know, it`s, I think,
only five seconds or not more.
And then, the train stop and, you know, people are screaming there, looking
for each other in the dark.
SINKOVICS: And it was dark, it was smoking sights, you know...
SINKOVICS: ... because of fire. I think of about six feet. And then,
people looking for (inaudible) start to shout and (inaudible) as soon as
possible too, because maybe they can come from another direction, another
SINKOVICS: ... so could be a bigger problem. And then, I (inaudible) help
the people to get up through (inaudible), through the window, you know.
SINKOVICS: And that`s the (inaudible) policeman to get me into
(inaudible). And after that maybe 4:30 or 45 minutes I start to shake, you
know, because lots of adrenaline was there...
CHEUNG: ..., you know, and it helps me to handle this situation somehow.
LUI: Well, we are certainly glad here, Ede, that you are OK. Paul, you
know, harrowing details coming from Beth and Ede there, and Ede (inaudible)
also just saying that they have not spoken with the conductor as if yet.
Describe to me what you remember hearing in terms of those over head
announcements, what was the last one that you may remember before this
CHEUNG: You know in terms of -- the only announcement I remember when I
first boarded the train when they apologize for the train being really
warm. They mentioned something about power issue and after that I just
kind of, you know, with my.
CHEUNG: ... and the next thing I know is, you know, the accident. And,
well, I was surprise as I heard a voice behind me telling us to get out.
At first, I thought it was a conductor but it turns out to be another
passenger while people are gathering their stuff we, you know, just like,
you know, we start smelling the smoke and that`s when we know we really
have to evacuate and.
LUI: You evacuated and you are standing outside the train and you`re
taking pictures of the wreck, what were you thinking when you`re looking
back? Because we`re not just used to seeing this trains seating the way
and looking the way they`re looking right now.
CHEUNG: It so real -- it was almost like a movie scene because, you know,
when I jumped out I didn`t -- that`s when I really get a sense of this is
really bad because I could see two of the car flipping up, (inaudible)
couple of cars, you know, then this highway with people coming out from the
window and also see couple of cars just all mangle up into pieces of metal.
It`s like someone had just rip this train apart with, you know, chairs and
debris all over the (inaudible). And it was pretty derail.
LUI: Yeah. It is still now, a day later. Paul, Ede, Beth, we are solely
glad you`re all OK today on this Wednesday. Thank you for joining us and
sharing up with us those details and your story.
When we continue to monitor the scene coming out in Philadelphia following
yesterday`s deadly train derailed. We`ll have an update from a doctor
treating patients, right after this.
LUI: If you just joining us. The very latest on that deadly train
derailment out of Philadelphia, the information from the NTSB coming to us
just within the last 30 minutes. And what they said was that the train was
traveling 106 miles an hour heading into a curve with a speed limit of 50
miles an hour. The NTSB saying the emergency brakes were applied before
the derailment which slow the train down to 102 miles per hour. So just
lay down by 4 miles an hour.
At this hour, seven people confirmed dead and more than 200 injured.
Coming up, we`ll hear from a doctor who treated patients following the
derailment and we`ll have another update from our reporters on the scene.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All set in tips to the left and then violate to the
right when it came to its side. And unfortunately, I was on the left-hand
side of the rains side, everyone now in the side is threw over -- I crackle
landed on my head and it was head first and the other.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The first thing that I saw I look to my left and
there`s a woman in the isle and she had blood streaming down her face.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And there`s a lot of blood all over.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LUI: Investigators still calling for evidence at the sight of the deadly
train derailment in Philadelphia. NTSB saying they`ll do that for the next
week, looking for perishable evidence that may disappear or degrade over
time. Cranes, lifting those massive cars as trained dogs search for any
more people who maybe trap underneath.
Earlier today, the death toll rose to seven confirmed fatalities with more
than 200 people injured. Those killed in the tragic crash include 48-year-
old Associate Press staff Jim Gaines, also 20-year-old Justin Zemser a navy
midshipman on leave.
Joining me now on the phone is Dr. Mark Kaplan Chair of Division of Trauma
at Einstein Medical Center in Philadelphia.
Thanks for being with us here, doctor, what is the most common -- you
received many of those who were injured, what was the common type of injury
that you saw?
DR. MARK KAPLAN, CHAIR OF TRAUMA MEDICAL CENTER PHILADELPHIA: We saw that
25 people from the crash yesterday. Vast majority were cuts, bruises,
confusions. We had about five people that were admitted with significant
orthopedic injuries, long bone injuries and one neck fracture.
LUI: Dr. Kaplan, we also heard from Temple University that they saw a lot
of chest injuries, a lot of rib fractures. You didn`t see that. I guess,
releasing the descriptions that you have just given me, would you try to
give us any understanding of why that difference?
KAPLAN: It`s just the nature of the other patients as they were triage.
Philadelphia has a very large trauma center presence in Philadelphia and
the decision is I guess were made by the EMS...
KAPLAN: ... at the scene, the what they were triaged. So I guess, really
just -- really they`re lucky to draw.
LUI: OK. But one plus one together for us here, Dr. Kaplan, the piece of
information that as came to us within the last 30 minutes, 106 miles an
hour as it entered into that curve and then, those cars, seven of them
coming to a complete halt in that heap as it -- that you can see on the
left hand side of the screen. Do the injuries that you have and that you
have heard about, are they consistent with that new piece of information
that we just got?
KAPLAN: Yeah. You would expect to see fractures from blunt force (ph)
trauma, long bone fractures for example that most that we had neck injuries
and as that Temple got a lot of chest injury.
So people were thrown to the cars, lot of blunt force trauma and that`s
usually how you would see it expressed to a long bone fractures and rib
fractures. So it kind of makes sense.
LUI: Could -- how much worse could have been?
KAPLAN: It could have been a lot worst. I think that a lot of the
survival, there is patients where because of the advanced system we have
that we have in Philly. We have five level 1 trauma centers and two level
two trauma centers well activated.
I know that there was a lot of patient -- few patients are bought to
Temple. They were critically ill when they moved very fast on stabilizing
them. And we also moved very fast on stabilizing a lot of these orthopedic
fractures in it`s -- I think it`s only because I think people did as well
as it did because...
KAPLAN: ... the system that we have in Philly.
I think it`s really the example of what did the advanced trauma system will
do in a region.
LUI: Doctor, how much sleep did you get in last 24 hours?
KAPLAN: Two hours. So we had -- on top of that, we had a major gunshot
wound. So it was a little bit of a challenge but that`s what trauma
LUI: Dr. Mark Kaplan, thank you for you and all your staff as well as the
entire system there in Philadelphia that you`re describing for the great
work you did.
KAPLAN: Thank you.
LUI: And for all of those survivors. Thank you so much.
KAPLAN: Thank you. Thank you.
LUI: We`ll have another update from our reporters in Philadelphia right
LUI: And welcome back to the Ed Show. I`m Richard Lui in for Ed today.
Let`s get straight back to Philadelphia where regional 188 Amtrak Train
derailed there, that crash, that has now caused the deaths of seven
individuals confirmed so far.
Let`s get to MSNBC Correspondent Jay Gray and Joy Reid, MSNBC National
Jay, I want to start with you on this. We just heard from one of the
doctors, Dr. Mark Kaplan, at one of the hospitals that took in many of the
injured. He said he has slept two hours in the last 24 hours. Tell me
about all the other rescue personnel that are there on the ground, how they
are doing. They certainly had must be working a very similar schedule.
JAY GRAY, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. And Richard, like the Doctor you
talked to, they`re running on fumes right now. They say that they`ve been
out here and working around the clock trying to gather information.
They`re getting some support, getting some help as new teams come in but
they know the magnitude of what happened, to really understand this
investigation. It`s going to take some time and so, they`re reluctant to
leave to be -- quite honest, a lot of people want to stay on this case and
maybe find exactly what they`re searching for as the investigation
And that`s (inaudible) NTSB agents out here as well. The Federal agents
are working around the clock and say, they will as you`ve been talking
about for at least a week on site.
LUI: You know, Jay, in that week, they will now shift. It sounds like.
Although he did said he sounds -- it`s very positive. He feels good but
the information has been robust. Do you hear now from those on the ground
or what you`re seeing around you that they have shifted it all based on
this latest news in the last 45 minutes of the confirmed double the allowed
speed on that curve?
GRAY: Yeah. You know, I definitely think that shifted their focus or at
least narrow their focus at this point. That doesn`t mean (inaudible) you
over every bit of potential evidence here in every little section have
twisted metal or mangled car that maybe along the tracks here.
I have to say too on this quite impressive. We`ve seen these tracks moving
in flat bed tracks with new railings. So they are also going to very
quickly get to work and try to relay the railing here and get this very
active and busy commuter line back on track if you will. So a lot of work
going on right now but most of it as you talked about focused on this
LUI: And Jay Gray, yeah, it`s so important economically to that region.
Thank you for that.
LUI: Joy, I want to get to you on this. As we look at this progress in
the investigation, we can`t forget what Mayor Nutter said so well. This is
a community and shocked at the community that is now trying to pull
together. What`s the latest there at the hospital and from what you`re
hearing from families?
REID. Well, what I can say, Richard, is that five area hospitals treated
patients, some (inaudible) was 10 and as many as 35 patients at a single
Temple University Hospital behind me treated the largest number of patients
after the train derailment took place. We`re expecting to see about a half
a dozen people potentially go home tonight.
They still have 23 people who are in very serious condition here down from
25 people as of yesterday. And they range in age from the 20s all the way
for the 80s, they range in age for U.S. citizens to people all the way as
REID: ... from Albania. There are at least four or five foreign nationals
So, it`s a multifaceted process. It`s not really a local story at this
point. These are people who are from everywhere, from D.C. to New York and
everywhere in between.
LUI: Joy Reid, thank you so much for your reporting today as well as Jay
That`s it for the Ed Show today. I`m Richard Lui in for Ed Schultz.
PoliticsNation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.
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