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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: May 14, 2015
Guest: Brendan Boyle, Steve Kornacki Bill Rhoden, Sage Rosenfels


CRAIG MELVIN, THE ED SHOW HOST: And good morning to you, welcome to the Ed
Show. I`m Craig Melvin in for Ed Schultz.

We are awaiting a statement now from President Obama. The President is at
Camp David meeting with leaders from Persian Gulf nations. He is trying to
reassure those leaders that United States is committed to their security.

But we start tonight with breaking news, breaking news on that deadly
Amtrak accident in Philadelphia.

Any minute now, in fact, we`re told -- will about 30 minutes from now,
we`re expecting a briefing from the National Transportation Safety Board.
They`ll have the briefing for us at 5:00. We will bring that to you live.

Eight people, eight are now confirmed dead.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MAYOR MICHAEL NUTTER, (D) PHILADELPHIA: We believe that we have now
accounted for all 243 individuals on that -- we believe were on Amtrak
train number 188 from Tuesday night.

All of the individuals that we believe that we were looking for or we`re
trying to identify have all now been accounted for. Unfortunately, again,
we must now report that we have confirmed eight deceased from this horrible
tragedy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MELVIN: Eight deceased, more than 200 people have been hurt, five of the
seven damage cars had been pulled from the site for further analysis. All
eyes at this point are on the train engineer, his name is Brandon Bostian.
We are told that he spoke briefly to police but is yet to speak to the NTSB
investigators.

Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter talked about that as well a short time
ago.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NUTTER: Was interviewed by the Police Department, and I believe it was a
pretty short interview in which he apparently indicated that he did not
want to be interviewed.

That`s all we have. And he doesn`t have to be interviewed if he doesn`t
want to at this particular stage, such kind of how the system works.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MELVIN: The train`s data recorders indicate that the train was going into
a 50 mile per hour curve, at just over twice that speed of about 106 miles
per hour.

A lawyer for Engineer Brandon Bostian spoke with ABC`s Nightline. He says
his client has, "No explanation for what happened because he can`t
remember".

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

ROBERT GOGGIN, ATTORNEY FOR BRANDON BOSTIAN: He remembers driving the
train, he remembers going to that area generally, had absolutely no
recollection of the incident or anything unusual. The next thing he
recalls is being thrown around coming to, finding his bag, getting his cell
phone and dialing 911.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

MELVIN: MSNBC`s Joy Reid has the latest on the passengers. MSNBC`s Ayman
Mohyeldin has more on the engineer. Ron Allen has more on the
investigation. Ayman, let me start with you.

What do we know at this point about the level of interaction between this
engineer, Brandon Bostian and investigators?

AYMAN MOHYELDIN, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: Well, there are two chairs to these
investigations, so this had two different sets of interactions. One with
the police, the Philadelphia Police as we heard the mayor there, Michael
Nutter described. He sighted that there was a brief interaction between the
police, and the engineer. They interview them very short in which that
statement that was provided was that, he didn`t want to talk to police.

In terms of the NTSB, they have not yet establish any contact or made any
contact or even made any request to interview him as far as we understand
it. This was according to NTSB official not too long ago. They do say
they want to speak to him, they want to interview him, they want to give
him some time though to perhaps reconciles what may have happened in that
painful night. And more importantly, they know that he has been through a
tremendous amount of trauma given the fact that he himself sustained
injuries, was treated in a hospital.

So they certainly are taking that into consideration. They also know that
there`s a window of opportunity and they want to be able to interview him
within the right window.

So as far as the NTSB is concern, they have yet to conduct the interview in
terms of the Philadelphia Police Department. They`ve had very limited
interaction as we understand it.

MELVIN: Ron, what`s happening there on the ground today and what`s the
latest now on the investigation?

RON ALLEN, NBC NEWS PHILADELPHIA: Well, Craig, they`ve made a lot of
progress in terms of clearing away the wreckage, as you pointed out there
just two of the seven cars still there.

We`re expecting here more detail from the NTSB in about 25 minutes or so
for the afternoon briefing.

If you look down the street here, pass all the traffics, you can sort of
seeing where there`s an empty area there, that`s where the train were kind
of there (inaudible).

Earlier today, we saw some trade (ph) trains moving for the first time...

MELVIN: Ron?

(CROSSTALK)

MELVIN: Ron, standby for me...

MOTT: Yeah.

MELVIN: I have to interrupt you, but I will come back to you just a
moment.

President Obama right now, though, making a statement from Camp David.
Let`s listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRES. BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: More extensive statement
later. But I just wanted to say thank you to all the leaders who are
represented here today, and the GCC for its participation, what I think has
been an excellent summit.

The GCC countries are some of our closest partners, and they are in a
region that we all know is going through some extraordinary changes, and
some great challenges. But fortunately, because of the depth and breadth
of our cooperation and our partnerships, we`ve been able to strengthen each
other, and work together to counter terrorism, to deal with issues like
nuclear proliferation, to address the problem of conflict that are causing
so much misery and hardship for so many people.

The discussions we had today were candid. They were extensive. We
discussed not only the Iranian nuclear deal and the potential for us to
ensure that Iran is not obtaining a nuclear weapon and triggering a nuclear
arms race in the region. But we also discussed our concerns about Iran`s
destabilizing activities in the region and pledge cooperation around how we
can address those in a cooperative fashion even as we hope that we can
achieve the kind of peace, and good neighborliness with Iran that I think
so many of the countries are sick.

We discussed the conflict, we discussed the situation in Yemen, we
discussed countering violent extremism and, specifically, what additional
work we need to do with respect to dash (ph).

And I was very explicit as reflected in the joint statement that were
released, that the United States will standby our GCC partners against
external attack and will deepen and extend the cooperation that we have
when it comes to many challenges that exist in the region.

So I just want to say thank you to all of the participants here today, I
think it`s been an excellent conversation. There`s a lot of more that will
be coming out of this summit, as reflected in the joint statement. And
because we want to make sure this is not just a photo opportunity but
instead is a practical concrete series of steps to make our people more
secure. I`ve committed to accepting an invitation from the GCC to have a
followup meeting till next year in which we will be able to report on the
progress that`s been made.

But again , I want to thank everyone of the countries that are representing
here today as well as the General Secretary and the GCC for their
extraordinary leadership, their friendship and their commitment to working
with the United States.

With that, I just like to turn it over very briefly to the current Chair of
the GCC, the Emir of Qatar.

Your Excellency.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MELVIN: Pres. Obama there at Camp David. We will have more on the
President`s statement in just a bit, indicating that he and the leaders of
those nations spend some time talking about Iran, spend some time talking
about Syria and Yemen as well. We will get back to that again in just a
few moments.

Right now, I want to bring back our reporters from Philadelphia, MSNBC`s
Joy Reid, Ayman Mohyeldin and Ron Allen.

Ron, before the President interrupted us there, we were talking about the
latest on the investigation there and the scene on the ground.

ALLEN: Yes. Craig. There`s been a lot of progresses today. The big
discovery of course was the eighth victim. And finding that individuals
remain so far after the crash, give you some idea of how dense the wreckage
was, how difficult it was to get through all of it. But Mayor Nutter and
other officials here now think that they have fully accomplished that, in
fact, five of the seven cars have been removed to a rail yard where they
will be thoroughly analyzed.

Down this road behind me at the crash scene, over in the other side that
we`ve also scene some freight trains moving through the areas for the first
time a few hours ago. It is rail yard essentially, where the crash happen.
Several lines coming together in that sharp turn area where the crash
happened but there`s been a lot of activity on the rails which is a good
sign.

They`re also trying to rebuild the rails. And officials are saying that
they should be able to restore partial service through the northeast
corridor by Monday and full service by Tuesday which is quite the
accomplish that we figured how many trains go through this area, through
the heart of Philadelphia, going north and south on any single day.

So a lot of progress on the ground here but a long way to go determining
what cause because currently a lot of this falls on the driver, the
engineer, what he did, why the train was going so fast, why he apparently
try to break and why the train didn`t stop. But again, all those questions
still to be revealed. Craig.

MELVIN: Joy, I understand that you visited a trauma center today where
they took in 26 patients from that Amtrak crash, what do we find out there?

JOY-ANN REID, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: Yeah absolutely, Craig. And we did --
in addition to speaking with the director of the trauma unit at Albert
Einstein Hospital. I`ll just really give you a quick check on the numbers
this morning. There were 41 people still in hospitals.

The good news is that, we count about 24 patients at four of the six
hospitals that took patients in. And as you mentioned, we also went to the
trauma center at Albert Einstein and we talk with Dr. Mark Kalpan who runs
the trauma unit about what it takes to handle a disaster.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DR. MARK KAPLAN, CHAIR OF TRAUMA MEDICAL CENTER PHILADELPHIA: To some
people it looks like chaos, but it`s a very orchestrated, it`s very
organized and a lot of this came from the military where we`ve learned how
to predict and handle mass casualties and have really adapted a lot of
those to civilian life. It`s been incredibly helpful.

But important thing is what looks like chaos to some people, there`s a
sensible organization in a flow to get this people, to these guys
evaluated, but them in an appropriate place to care the most acute (ph)
ones immediately. The sub-acute (ph) ones certainly take care of their
pain, handle some of their other situations and then be able to identify
the people that are, you know, like the walking wounded had some burns and
bruises, which we took care of at the front.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: And Craig, I can tell you that Albert Einstein which took in 25
patients. Now is down to just two, both of them are in good condition.
The hospital behind me, Temple University, down to 11 patients, six of whom
remain in critical condition but not in life threatening situation. Craig.

MELVIN: Joy, Ayman, Ron Allen for us on the scene there in Philadelphia
this afternoon. Thanks to you all, I do appreciate it.

Congressman Brendan Boyle of Pennsylvania joins me now. He is a -- for the
purposes of this conversation, a regular Amtrak commuter on the northeast
corridor...

REP. BRENDAN BOYLE, (D) PENNSYLVANIA: Yes.

MELVIN: The Congressman also just toured the site of the incident today, I
understand.

Congressman, first of all, just your initial impressions of what you saw.

BOYLE: Well, the first impression i -- so I left voting here yesterday
Hampton Amtrak to go back home to Philadelphia and see the site before
coming back here on Amtrak this morning.

And I have to say that seeing it in-person is quite different than
television. First, it just a much bigger area, site from the first car to
the last. Then, it appears on TV that`s the first thing.

Then, the second thing is just how mangled those cars are especially cars
1, 2 and 3. It`s hard to believe at that scene frankly that there weren`t
more casualties. So it`s hard to believe that we saw effectively in law
enforcement and emergency personnel so effectively, got too many people to
safety.

MELVIN: Let`s talk a little bit about this positive train control
technology. Do you think that that technology would have prevented this
accident?

BOYLE: Well, more importantly than I may think, the NTSB official that led
me on the tour around this time yesterday, of the site said, "Flat out, if
the PTC system had been in there, this would have been prevented."

So obviously part of this was human that appears obviously was human cause
in terms of someone going 106 miles per hour and the speed limit was
literally half of that. But knowing that we actually have a safety system
that if in place, this would have been prevented and we wouldn`t have these
eight deaths and 200 people injured. It really is angering to be there on
the site and to hear that straight up from the safety experts.

MELVIN: You know, anytime there`s an accident like this or I should say
most times there is an accident like this. You know, there`s the big train
accident not far from here in Connecticut, the Metro-North accident...

BOYLE: Right.

MELVIN: ... there had been some other accidents over the past years. And
any time, it seems as if any time there`s one of these major accidents
where there`s lost of life. There`s this renewed conversation on
infrastructures spending, that happened again this time. Is the reason to
believe that this time it`s going to different, that we are going to start
spending more on our roads, in our bridges, in our rails in this country?

BOYLE: I certainly hope so. You know, if you look back at the last 30
years, the evidence is a sort of mix. 1987 was the last time there is a
major incident on the northeast corridor, last time there is a derailement
and that didn`t lead actually to safety improvement and Congress passing a
bill that took effect in 1988 and approve the system.

You know, at the same time, we had incident that you reference that
happened in New York another in Connecticut, another one in California,
actually it sort of similar situation not too long ago, and nothing has
happened in light of those things.

So it`s a shame that it even takes...

MELVIN: Why is that? Why is that?

BOYLE: It`s frustrating frankly. And -- it`s a tough situation because
you don`t want to be seen politicizing something, but it is a fact that if
spent more money on this, that line would have had the PTC and this tragedy
wouldn`t have happened.

So in the end, it really does come down to priorities, are we willing to
spend the money on this, we`re not. There are many of us on the Democratic
side as well as some suburban Republicans from the northeast, who are
willing to make these investments. Unfortunately, in this Congress we are
on the minority.

MELVIN: Pennsylvania Congressman Brendan Boyle, Congressman, thank you so
much for you tonight.

BOYLE: All right. Thank you.

MELVIN: And again, just to let you know, we are waiting on an update from
the NTSB on Wednesday`s train derailment. That is scheduled to happen at
5:30. When it does, we`ll bring it to you live on Ed Show.

Up next, the NFL Players Association responded to Tom Brady`s deflategate
suspension, right after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MELVIN: Welcome back. We are waiting for President Obama to hold a live
news conference on his meeting with Persian Gulf allies. They will be
taking questions, when it happens, you can watch it live here on MSNBC
first off.

We have the latest on Patriots Quarterback Tom Brady appealing the
suspension.

Stay tuned.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MELVIN: And welcome back to the Ed Show.

The NFL Players Association has filed an appeal on Tom Brady`s behalf over
the four-game suspension. Brady of course suspended for his alleges
involvement in deflating football last session.

The Players Association released a statement a short time ago calling for
an independent arbitrator to decide the case. Their statement reads in
part.

"If Ted Wells and the NFL believe as their public comments stated, that the
evidence in their report is direct and inculpatory. Then they should be
confident enough to present their case before someone who is truly
independent.

Brady is assembling an all-star legal team for his appeal, famous Labor
Attorney Jeffrey Kessler will represent Brady and the NFL Players
Association in the process. Kessler has handled a number of high profile
cases including the suspension of Minnesota Vikings Running Back Adrian
Peterson.

Some NFL analysts say that expert legal team could have a very strong
chance of winning the appeal, regardless of the outcome though. There`s
this new poll out that shows a lack of support for Tom (inaudible).
Acceding to an NBC, excuse me, an ABC-ESPN News Poll of random Americans,
some 63 percent of all fans support the NFL`s decision to suspend Brady, 75
percent of avid fans, so-called "avid fans", say they support the
suspension.

Meanwhile, Patriots are denying the finding the Wells reports even further
than ever at this point. This morning, the franchise actually launched a
website devoted to discrediting the deflagate report. The opening
paragraph reads.

"The conclusions of the Wells report are at best, incomplete, incorrect and
lack context. The report dismisses the scientific explanation for the
natural loss of PSI of the Patriots footballs."

We can read the full rebuttal (ph) at wellsreportcontext.com.

For more, I want to bring Steve Kornacki, host of "UP" on MSNBC. Bill
Rhoden is here, Sports Columnist for the New York Times and Sage Rosenfels,
he`s a former NFL Quarterback. He joins us as well. Steve, let me start
with you.

First of all, at this point have we heard whether the team itself or that
Robert Kraft is going to appeal the million dollar fine or the loss of
Draft Picks?

STEVE KORNACKI, HOST OF "UP": We haven`t heard but the fact that they`re
quoting at this report today tells you I think where this is going.

MELVIN: Yeah.

KORNACKI: And this is going in a direction, I think, they could get really
ugly. I mean, you think back to the days of Al Davis with the Raiders, the
L.A and Oakland Raiders fighting the league. They really haven`t had a
team or an owner for the league and then, a legal battle with the league.
Since then, there`s the possibility here that that`s where this is going.

There are two fronts right now. One on the Brandy front, the key there is
asking for an independent arbitrator to look at this. There`s a much
better track record in this appeals from the players standpoint when the
(inaudible) instead of the commissioner judging, the commissioner hands it
off to an independent arbitrator.

Now, Brady goes in that direction, get to that and still doesn`t win.

MELVIN: Yeah.

KORNACKI: He would also have the option of going to court if he wanted to.
You saw that in the Adrian Peterson case a few months ago. The other side
is the side of the team. The team could appeal on this Draft Picks, on the
million dollar fine. They can appeal to the Commissioner`s Office that
would be the step there.

But the other thing that they have not come out and say they wouldn`t do.
There`s been some hints but they might go in this direction. The extreme
is, they could launch a lawsuit as a team. Bob Kraft is an organization,
the Patriots could launch a lawsuit against the league in Civil Court,
basically saying there`s been some kind of defamation here.

MELVIN: Yeah.

KORNACKI: The value of the brand has been hurt, you know, for no good
reason. That would get really if it went that direction.

MELVIN: I know you read that, that rebuttal, sort of blow by -- I mean,
that`s -- they really...

KORNCKI: They`re not getting an inch.

MELVIN: No. They`re not.

BILL RHODEN, THE NEW YORK TIMES SPORTS COLUMNIST: They`re doing what they
do on the field. The Patriots, this is exactly what they do competitively.
They will -- they fight you inch, to inch, to inch and make you -- and the
interesting thing is pushback.

You know, it allows the Wells reports that, you know, he give report and
people kind of laid out. And the Patriots, "Oh no, no, no, no, you`re
going to have to prove this". And as far as the 76 percent of the -- I
mean, a lot of people hate the Patriots. And they there just...

MELVIN: But a lot of people love the patriots too.

RHODEN: I`d say, more hate than love but the point is, you know, with me...

MELVIN: Yeah.

RHODEN: ... practically, you know, if the balls on the 20 and this is the
playoffs and you ask me, what quarterback would I want?

MELVIN: Sure.

RHODEN: ... around the field, Tom Brady is number one. But, you know,
period. But now, if you did something wrong with the ball, something like
that, punish him. But at the bottom line, I think that he still -- and
this is about the legacy. These are all about his legacy and the only --
let`s (inaudible) what it`s about. I mean, I think the other part of this
for a lot of...

MELVIN: A lot of folks with this offense, these offenses is part of the
legacy.

RHODEN: You know, they`re pushing back because they are trying to protect
the brand. Somebody the other day, and he`s a known tract (ph), "Well, you
know, this is move faith in man in a little bit so don`t even try".

MELVIN: The legacy maybe part of it but let`s be real here. I mean, Jimmy
Garoppolo might be the future. But I mean, you want Tom Brady understand
it for the first full games of the session as well.

Sage, let me bring you in here my friend. Let`s go back to this poll that
we just reference. 76 percent of avid football fans say that they agree
with this punishment. What say you to that? Where do you fall on this?

SAGE ROSENFELS, FORMER NFL QUARTERBACK: Well, I would say 31 major seasons
is contrary over the 32 probably don`t like Tom Brady because he won a lot
of division championships over the course for the last 15 years, been six-
year (inaudible) of them. I think if you read the title of Wells` report,
it seems pretty obvious that, you know, Tom Brady has got some guilt here.
The Patriots were wrong here.

If you read Patriot battle (ph) today, it feels like the NFL is out to get
the Patriots. And so, I think it`s all about your point of reference, in a
way you`re coming from, and I think it`s pretty easy to find 76 percent of
our country sort of go against Tom Brady and the Patriots on this one.

MELVIN: You know, for the purposes of this conversation, I hate to bring
up old stuff, Sage. But I mean, you`re familiar with scandals involving
footballs. I mean, when you with the Vikings, there was the incident with
the footballs that were over inflated, correct?

ROSENFELS: I wasn`t there at that time but there has instance in the past
and there has been in a couple of years ago with the Vikings and the
Carolina Panthers over inflated football. And I think the issue with that
one got sort of strop under the rug or a big deal was not made out of it,
was because there was a sort of a first time offense for both of those
teams. But the Patriots have been in trouble, you know, many times before.
But this time, they`ve got Jeff Kessler on their side, at least on Tom
Brady`s side.

MELVIN: Right.

ROSENFELS: He is one of the best lawyers in the country, one of the best
sport lawyers in the country. He`d done an outstanding job of getting
guys, you know, guilt`s reduced, their suspension`s reduced, or completely
eliminated.

So, you know, Johnson Delmas (ph) is a recent case with Tony Gates (ph)
that -- he got his suspension eliminated. So Tom Brady probably should
have hired a (inaudible), its interesting happen (inaudible) champion game.
Probably he should have been in Tom`s court. I feel he think that. And
now -- but now, he`s got him on the side and I`m sure Kessler do a really
good job for the Patriots and Tom Brady.

MELVIN: Steve, there are a lot of folks out there who have deduced that,
the commissioner assumed that there would be an appeal. And also estimate
the appeal might be successful against the four games suspension when they
thought all along, the two is probably most (inaudible).

KORNACKI: Well, I`ll ask him a million dollar for your house and you know
you`re going to setup for 500,000. Again, as I explaining to you, I`m
from, you know, New England, I`m from Massachusetts. I was just up there
this week. This conversation about where you are sort of the -- your
opinion that this is contingent where you`re from.

It`s true because to hear that the average fan in Boston talked about this.
I introduce, there`s basically two schools of thought on this. One is,
it`s a complete frame up. The league is out to get the Patriots. They`ve,
you know, trump up the whole thing.

But I think the more common that you can get from them is just basically,
it`s that sense of proportionate. Yeah, OK, probably something happened
here. But you know what? In terms of like crimes against the game, crimes
against the integrity of game, a little less, you know, air in the balls.
It is not up there with something that (inaudible).

MELVIN: My favorite part of the rebuttal (ph) was the explaining of the
term "Deflator". It`s the guy`s nickname. They like this, I don`t know.

ROSENFELS: Trying nobody`s weight (ph).

MELVIN: All right, Steve Kornacki, Bill Rhoden, Sage Rosenfels, a big
thanks to all of you for joining me.

Again, we are waiting on an update from the NTSB on Tuesday`s deadly train
derailement. When that happens, we will bring it to you live from MSNBC.

You`re watching the Ed Show.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSEPH BOARDMAN, AMTRAK CEO: We started installing Positive Train Control
in the 90`s. We will complete this by the end of the year. I believe we
will probably be the only railroad in the United States and in the western
hemisphere that have Positive Train Control. And I think that has not been
reported well, frankly. We have delivered a leadership role in Positive
Train Control in the United States.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MELVIN: Welcome back to the Ed Show. That was Amtrak`s CEO talking about
a new technology that many are pushing for that control a train speed.

Any minute the NTSB going to be holding a news conference where we expect
to get a very latest on the investigation. When that happens, we will
bring it to you live here on MSNBC.

First though, the question that remains is, why was that train traveling at
106 miles an hour in a 50-mile per hour zone, just before entering a curve
that had 50-mile per hour limit?

The new technology called Positive Train Control, Congress had mandated
nearly all passenger and free train installed the technology by the end of
the year. Amtrak among the -- the more aggressive companies installed the
technology on its rails and Amtrak is on target to meet the deadline.

Joined once again by Ron Allen with NBC News. Ron, let`s talk about this
technology, what more can you tell us about it?

ALLEN: Well, the Chairman of Amtrak was out a bit in saying that, his
company has played the leading role and getting this establish. And it
sounds like and many people are making the point that have the system been
in place here, it would have stopped this accident.

They`ve also been (inaudible) some technical problems in trying to get the
system installed up and down in the entire northeast corridor. It is in
place I believe from Boston to New Haven and in other places but not here.
And this is seems to be a very tricky part of this long stretch (ph), this
is one of the sharpest right hand turns in the stretch of the northeast
corridor.

It`s also a rail yard where there are 7 or 8 different tracks freight and
passenger line trucks that come together, and turn, and merge here and then
spread out. So it`s not an engineer but it`s a complicated part of the
system, so I would think it`s more difficult to install it here. Did that
as it may, yes, the big question is why, is train going twice the limit
over 100 miles an hour which seems absolutely extraordinary.

And for the attorney representing the driver to say publicly that he has no
knowledge of this, that he only remembers driving the train and then being
thrown about and trying to call for help afterwards, leaves a big, big
(inaudible).

And he will certainly be questioned more thoroughly. This is not as I
understand it technically a criminal investigation (ph) at this point.

MELVIN: Right.

ALLEN: And we spoke to the NTSB commissioner earlier, he said that, you
know, that they`re OK with a little time period here or short time period
before they can talk to the engineer to get some more answers. But the
trains data recorders will certainly also reveal a lot of information about
how long was this train going so fast, we understand as well that the
driver tried to apply the emergency brakes at some point. So was that a
conscious thing that he did to some system in the train kick on to try and
stop it, what happened.

So again, it make take some time before we know...

MELVIN: Yeah.

ALLEN: ... but just a very, very extraordinary thing. And the last point
I make, this seal of Amtrak made the point that it had been 28 years since
there had been a fail derailement in the system. Again, arguing that and
trying to say this to the millions of people who ride the system...

MELVIN: Sure.

ALLEN: ... that Amtrak is safe although it stretch the line before some of
its service outages, and delays, and the fact that the (inaudible) train
for example never seems to be as fast as it should be. It`s been much
criticize but he was trying to make the point today that the system has
been safe if not efficient at all times.

MELVIN: Ron Allen of course there in Philly.

Again we are waiting on that news conference from the NTSB.

I want to bring in Joy Reid and Ayman Mohyeldin as well, both of them
standing by.

Ayman, I know that you`ve been following the story of this engineer pretty
closely. The National Transportation Safety Board once again saying that
they hope to talk to this guy in the next few days. You indicated to the
top of the hour that he is, for all practical intents and purposes lawyered
up. Does their common point where they can compel him to speak to the
NTSB, where they can compel him to share whatever he knows?

MOHYELDIN: Well, to be quite honest with you I`m not sure what legal
proceedings they can take to bring somebody in front of in order to
testify. I think there`s a mutual interest here. I don`t think so far his
reluctance to speak was a result of anything. In fact, the head of the
NTSB Robert Sumwalt made the same point. Saying that if he was in a
similar situation, he would probably as well want to have council with him
during that interview. Because there was the news that came out that he
wanted to have an attorney present when we has being questioned. This is
according to the Mayor of Philadelphia who said that when police approach
them he gave a short statement saying that he did not want to be
questioned.

And subsequently, since then in imposing the question to the NTSB, they`ve
said they so want to speak to him and that they hope to speak to him within
the next day or two. They are though according to his attorney who
appeared on this, on "Good Morning America" on ABC saying, that he`s been
very cooperative he`s handed over his cell phone.

MELVIN: Yeah.

MOHYELDIN: . he`s provided a blood sample. He said there`s been no
indication that there was -- anything in his blood like drugs or alcohol,
and he suffered a severe concussion as well as lacerations to his head and
he had an injury to his knee. So he`s also pretty banged up and that
something that is not is not lost on the NTSB as well. They know that he`s
pretty shaken up and they want to give him time as well to recover.

So that is not lost on him, they certainly do want to speak to him, They
also want to speak to other members of the crew that were on board...

MELVIN: Yeah.

MOHYELDIN: ... keep in mind there are 5 crew members but they certainly
also want to analyze all of the data that they have.

So it`s brief picture that we`re getting of who the engineer was, he`s been
described by people, you know, the New York Times put out today profile of
him, he has been described by his friends as somebody who is a train
enthusiast, somebody who love his job, a very responsible individual
graduated from the University of Missouri with a business degree. So
certainly an individual who as we learn more about him, he is also going to
be the center of the NTSB`s investigation because they want to know what he
saw, what he knew in those final moments before that fatal derailment.

MELVIN: Joy, as we wait for this news conference to start here again.
Today, according to Mayor Michael Nutter everyone who is aboard that train
has now been accounted for. They did a pull in eight body from the
wreckage today. What more, Joy, can you tell us about some of these
victims some of the folks who were on that train who lost their lives this
day (ph)?

REID: Well, I can tell you, Craig, just from speaking with the head of
surgery here at Temple University Hospital, that they believe that the
majority of those fatalities and those most seriously injured where seating
in the forward cars. They took the front of the impact. You can think it
with just a like a car accident. The people who are in the front are more
vulnerable so the quiet car which is where we saw some fatalities as well
as that front car. The doctors here spoke a lot with people who are in the
rear cars so they can tell you what they experience, the velocity of that
bodies, other human bodies flying at them and resulting in a lot of
injuries that had to do with crashing of the chest, lung injuries, the kind
of thing would expect basically in a car accident. And you talk about this
train engineer, what he`s dealing with. And I think that part of it is
just the extend of the payment suffering that was resulting, and get more
than 200 people who are treated at the six area hospitals here, many of
them round up in critical condition.

That number has been sharply reduce, the hospital behind, Temple now has
only 11 patients left. And we also earlier today spoke with the head of
trauma got a rare real look into how the.

MELVIN: Yeah.

REID: . this disaster, which are rare, are actually playing out at the
real time in hospitals. We got a chance to talk to Mark Kaplan who`s the
head of surgery at Albert Einstein in their trauma unit and he came at the
look the (inaudible) effort that it takes do deal with this rare but really
devastating trauma. Take a listen to what he said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KAPLAN: We had staff that was at the end of their shift, who insisted on
staying. We had people coming in -- at the beginning of the shift coming
in early. My partner who was operating another hospital, we didn`t even
call him, I turn around he was standing there with a cup coffee. Well
(inaudible) that`s great.

But he stayed for that whole time. Remember, I was on-call that night, all
this people were not we had the -- chief of the anesthesiology, the chief
of neurosurgery, all came in voluntarily, as soon as they heard about the
disaster.

We had at least 8 or 9 E.R. physicians down here, we had two surgeons. We
put a blood bank up here. We had radiology testing for their shifts, so
there was tremendous amount of personnel that were available.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: And. Craig, I will just say that one of the other factors there, a
lot of doctors had to deal which was of course, she`s identifying who
people were, you know, people coming in who were able to grab their bag,
grab their identification and so just.

MELVIN: Sure.

REID: . sorting up the identities of people and matching them with family
members, and they had Amtrak help to do that. So that was another factor
but a lot of good news finally coming out of what has really been a tragic
incident.

MELVIN: Again, we are waiting on this news conference from the NTSB to
start where we get the very latest on the investigation.

Ron Allen, you know, we -- there was a scene to me was echoed a short time
ago from a Congressman, by a Congressman from Pennsylvania -- we just lost
Ron, all right.

There was a scene to me that was just expressed a short time ago that`s
been shared by a lot of folks who`ve been watching this images play out
over the past few days. This mangled wreckage, a lot of folks surprise
that there were not more people who lost their life as a result. Another
question that`s been brought up, Ayman -- I believe we still have Ayman
Mohyeldin, another question that`s been raise is why aren`t there seat
belts on trains? It seems like, you know, I have a sort of a no brainer,
have we gotten an answer to that questioning?

MOHYELDIN: Well, there was no direct question post about seat belts over
the course of the press conferences that I have attended, you know, since I
arrived here on the scene. That is from either NTSB officials or others.

I think the assurance of that have been given certainly from Amtrak
officials today on the scene and they address the media was that, these are
very safe rails and they say the data backs that up. You know, there`s all
kinds of numbers to show that, you know, per passenger, or per mileage, or
per travel, the overall safety of passengers for rail travel is very safe.
And that was a reassured point made time and time again by the officials
here both to NBC News and at the press conferences.

The general consensus is that in a situation like this, Amtrak is according
to them leading the way. They are providing a leadership role as they
describe it in terms of trying to put in place those control positions
along the northeast corridor.

So there surely going to be a lot of questions not only about seat belts
but also in terms of the containers overhead, you know, that was an issue
that was also discussed among the lot of people who know rail safety very
well. And they say that, you know, is some of the Amtrak cars, that
carriages above where people put their luggage those are not secure and
that`s.

MELVIN: Yeah.

MOHYELDIN: . when it ends up happening in the situation like this
derailment. You get a lot of projectiles that are moving at very high
speed that could possibly be launch that people and that could certainly be
a cause of why there`s been so many injuries. And we`ve heard also from
hospital officials who describe that is a result of this derailment. They
haven`t seen a lot of concussions they were surprise to see a lot of people
with rib injuries and with that suggested the hospital officials is that,
people are being shifted around at this as the carts were being moved off
of the track because of the velocity of it.

MELVIN: Ayman Mohyeldin standby for us there, please. So again, we`re
waiting on this news conference to start in Philadelphia. We are also
waiting on a news conference to begin at Camp David. President Obama
expected to take some questions there.

We`re going to take a quick break when we come back we`ll bring you both of
those.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MELVIN: We`re just moments away from a news conference with President
Obama.

Today, he met with representatives from six Gulf Nations at Camp David
Summit. The President addressing concerns from the leaders about that
nuclear deal with Iran.

Meaning, the headlines earlier this month of course when King Salman of
Saudi Arabia announcing he will not be attending, opting instead the focus
on conflicts in Yemen.

President Obama talked about that meeting just a short time ago.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: Because of the depth and breath of our cooperation and our
partnerships, we`ve been able to strengthen each other and work together to
counter terrorism, to deal with issues like nuclear proliferation.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MELVIN: The meeting should provide a venue for the Obama administration to
get to know a new generation of gulf leaders and tell us to talk about
tighter security across the Middle East as well.

I`m joined by Chris Jansing, Senior White House Correspondent and also Joe
Cirincione President of Plougshares Fund and Ayman Mohyeldin NBC News
Foreign Correspondent.

Chris, let me start with you, again, this news conference set to begin any
moment now what can we expect to hear from the president?

CHRIS JANSING, SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think he`s going
to give us some more details about what we`ve been able to learn about the
agreements that were made here today. Look, what the Saudi`s in particular
wanted was a defense pact, what they got where some assurances of some
expanded defense cooperation. Among these things will see a fast tracking
on arms transfers, increases in missile defense, maritime security, some
joint training exercises, and enhancing their joint counter terror
operations particularly obviously as they relate to the Islamic state.

This is, however, not answering what is the central question here which is
the Iranian nuclear deal. A lot of time here was spend not just by the
President but also by Secretary Kerry, by Secretary Moniz, by Secretary Lew
trying to give them the details of where these Iranian nuclear negotiations
are and exactly why the United States is making the argument is actually
means more security for the region. The concern on the part of the Saudi`s
and others is that, by releasing the Iran, Iran from some of these
sanctions, it just give them billions of more dollars to create further
instability in the region.

I will say, however, at the end, officially, one of the Saudi
representatives called this an historic summit, nevertheless as you pointed
out. The Saudi King stayed away, so as the King of Bahrain who choose
instead to be with Queen Elizabeth at a high society horseshoe. So
obviously there are still some gaps that need to be brought together but we
will hear more from the President coming up in just a few minutes, Craig.

MELVIN: Ayman, I know that you are in Philadelphia for us covering the
Amtrak tragedy but you are also a foreign correspondent as well. You were
lots of hats here in MSNBC, I want to get your take on this audio message
that was released by ISIS today. It calls on Muslims everywhere to take up
arms and march forth the recording reportedly from al-Baghdadi that rumored
to be dead or distant from the on the group. NBC News cannot verify the
recording or it`s exact date but a partners at Flashpoint Intelligence said
that it does appeared to be authentic. If it is authentic, what does that
say to you and what do you make of the timing of the release of this?

MOHYELDIN: Well, in this case, what`s important about this message is
really the message within the message, you know, al-Baghdadi has been rumor
to have been either incapacitated as result of U.S. air strikes, there`s
even be rumors rolling around that his been killed as you mention. He does
not make too many posting either visual recording in the sense that he
appears in public or audio recording.

And so what is unique about this is that, this is only the second audio
recording that come out since November and again it comes at midst a lot of
questions as to whether or not the ISIS leadership had been degraded or
destroyed as U.S. has set out to do.

The last time anyone has see him in public was back in July when he
appeared in a mosque in Mosul. And in that case, he did appear on camera.
So since then, there have been all of these rumors as to whether or not he
is still in control the organization. That is separate from what he said
in the recording.

In the recording he called on for people either to come to Iraq and in
Syria or to continue to carry out what he describes as Jihad in other
countries, in western countries. And that certainly a major cause of
concern for U.S. officials because in fact that they feel it and may
inspire lone wolf attacks, Craig.

MELVIN: Let me cut you off there. Thank you so much again Ayman Mohyeldin
for us there. Not far from where he is the NTSB giving us an update now on
the Amtrak derailed.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ROBERT SUMWALT, NTSB BOARD MEMBER: We have started interviewing passengers
who were injured, passengers that are currently in the hospital. We want
to find out their perspective of things. We want find out where they were
seated and their injuries patterns so that we can start correlating their
seating with the injuries for accidents survival, passengers survivability
issues crash (inaudible) issues.

I`ve said before that there is a forward facing video technically called as
a track image recorder. And we`ve got some information from our review of
that. We`ve got a good quality video up to the point of derailment. We
can see the track being illuminated by the train`s headlight, and then also
shows the speed of the train. And so that has been what we`ve been able to
do from that is create somewhat of a timeline.

65 seconds before the end of the recording, the train speed went above 70
miles per hour. 43 seconds before the end of the recording, the train
speed exceeded 80 miles per hour. 31 seconds before the end of the
recording the train speed was going to 90 miles per hour. 16 seconds
before the end of the recording, the train speed was going through 100
miles per hour.

Just before entering the curve is when the engineer applied the engineer-
induced braking to put it into emergency braking. And I`ll describe it
seconds, mere seconds into the turn, we could see the train tilting
approximately 10 degrees to the right and then the recording went blank.

Some other things that we`ve been able to do today, we`ve developed testing
inspection plans for the rail cars and the locomotive. We`ve examined the
pre-departure inspections for train 188 as it left is -- before it left
Union Stations two nights ago, which includes the pre-departure brake test.
And there are no anomalies noted in any of those inspection records. We
will continue to examine all of the inspection records for the train.

Today, we interview the manager the Amtrak manager in-charge of training
and qualification of rail road engineers. We`ve also interviewed the train
dispatchers who were involve in dispatching this particular train. But
we`re hearing the track inspection records, one of the records that we have
is to check track geometry records you may recall that the day before...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MELVIN: All right on the right side of your screen the NTSB announcing
among other things that the engineer has agreed to talk. On the left side
of your screen, President Obama getting to ready to make a state regarding
the summit with our Gulf partners. Let`s listen in.

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