The Ed Show for Tuesday, May 19th, 2015
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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: May 19, 2015
Guest: Genevieve Wood, Jim Keady, Bernie Sanders, Mercedes Schlapp, Ben
Cardin, Angelo Carusone
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: The College for All Act will provide
Only in a Congress dominated by Wall Street and big money is this
considered to be a radical idea.
SCHULTZ: Later, deadly biker`s brawl.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When we fall out from that vicious shoot out between
rival biker gang...
SGT. W. PATRICK SWANTON: Is this over, most likely not.
SCHULTZ: And e-mail controversy.
HILLARY CLINTON, FRM. SECRETARY OF STATE: That they may be published just
two weeks before the Iowa caucuses.
I have said repeatedly, I want those e-mails out.
SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for watching.
It`s good to be back with you.
Sen. Elizabeth Warren is ramping up for a war on trade.
Earlier today, she called out the secrecy behind the Trans-Pacific
SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN, (D) MASSACHUSETTS: One big part of it has been the
lack of transparency in the whole process that we`re being asked to grease
the skids to move these trade deals forward without showing what the trade
You know, President Bush isn`t put out the squab texts (ph), its called, on
the trade agreement and had it out there for months before he asked but
even partial fast-track authority. We just want transparency around this.
SCHULTZ: You mean that President Bush was more transparent than President
Obama, yawsa (ph).
Sen. Warren is pushing an amendment that bans fast-track from being used on
trade deals including the investor-state trade dispute settlement
Now, ISDS would allow companies to sue governments over laws that hurt
Now, I know the trade is not at the top of everybody`s list, and this
starting to really get into the news quite a bit. We`ve talked about it a
lot here on the Ed Show but if you don`t know anything else about trade or
if you`re intimidated by some detail in the story because, "Oh, I don`t
know anything about that". Here is what you need to know and this is the
most important thing.
We are about to embark on a trade law, an international trade deal that
will allow multinational companies to sue America if they don`t make enough
money in our country, if they don`t like our regulations, if the don`t like
Now, Americans, if this is what you want, then call your representative and
say "Hey, let`s say yes to the TPA and the TPP." Because what this is
going to do is grease the skids to kill American jobs, outsourcing will be
at the torrid pace more than what we`ve seen, and the Congress isn`t going
to be able to do anything about it.
I don`t hear this kind of talk from the White House, and it disturbs me.
Sen. Warren, recently, laid out some disturbing examples of companies
abusing the provision I`m talking about.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
WARREN: Egypt tried to raise its minimum wage but sued by a corporation.
Australia and Uruguay try to implement anti-smoking laws, got sued by
Philip Morris. Canada tried to deny a mining company a drilling permit off
the coast of Nova Scotia to protect their environment and their fishermen,
got sued by an outside company and lost. So what really happens here is
that big multinational corporations can look around and say, I like those
regulations, I could make more money if I could beat down new regulations.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: You know, President Obama says that Sen. Warren doesn`t have the
facts. Now, that sound bite right there is filled with facts and the White
House ought to counter every single one of them if they`re not correct, but
they are correct.
The ISDS could allow corporations to circumvent American law. Ask
yourself, is that what you want?
Sen. Warren is also pushing back on this argument that President Obama
keeps making about the TPP.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PRES. BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: It`s the highest standard
most progressive trade deal in history. It`s got strong enforceable
provisions for workers, preventing things like child labor. It`s got
strong enforceable provisions on the environment.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: It`s got strong enforceable provisions for workers and on the
environment. Well, what are they? Sen. Warren releases the report on
Monday tearing apart this whole argument of the enforcement claim.
And the study release found that almost every trade deal of the past 20
years promised enforcement of labor standards, meanwhile, actually
enforcing these regulations. Folks, it rarely happens.
Warren`s studies sighted a GAO report that found at the office of the
United States trade representative and the Department of Labor do not
systematically monitor and enforce compliance with FDA labor provisions and
that the United States agencies generally have not been identifying
compliance problems, developing and implementing responses and taking
enforcement actions. That`s the truth.
President Obama has not said how regulations and the Trans-Pacific
Partnership will actually be enforced. It will be easy to enforce labor
standards in countries such as Brunei where there is Sharia law or Vietnam.
So President Obama is also claiming that the Trans-Pacific Partnership will
create jobs here in this country. The President recently highlighted this
promise from Nike.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: Nike announced that with the Trans-Pacific Partnership, it will
make no investments in advance manufacturing not overseas but right here in
the United States and far more Nike products would be made in the USA and
that means thousands of new jobs.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Are you curious why President Obama didn`t talk like this on a
campaign trail before he went head to head with Mitt Romney for a second
term? Why not if it was such a high deal because that`s when it was being
negotiated. Romney, of course, would have been against it.
Now look, it`s great for Nike. They promise to create jobs. But there is
no guarantee that other jobs aren`t going to be lost in our economy. This
is going to hit every sector of our economy.
And back in 2010, President Obama made similar promises on the Korea free-
trade agreement. After KORUS is passed, President Obama, he released a
statement saying that the deal would support at least 70,000 American jobs.
The President went on to say the KORUS is, "Part of my administration`s
effort to open foreign markets to U.S. goods and services, create American
job for workers, farmers and businesses, and achieve our goal of doubling
of U.S. exports over the next five years."
Now, folks, you have to understand that at the language of that statement
is nearly identical to the President`s language on TPP.
Unfortunately, it didn`t play out like the President`s wanted it to.
That`s why there so many Democrats in Congress who are speaking up.
The Korea trade agreement ended up killing 40,000 American jobs. Most of
them were in manufacturing, what the TPP is going to do is hit more sectors
in the economy. KORUS and I mean KORUS is nothing compared to the Trans-
Pacific Partnership. The TPP will take over 40 percent of the global
Now, this deal puts American sovereignty at risk. If that`s what you want,
support it. We haven`t heard specifics on how they are going to be
enforcing these regulations.
And if you look at history, it`s hard to figure out how the TPP is going to
create jobs. So as we move into almost midnight on the TPP and you`ve got
strange political bad fellows here, the tea partiers don`t want it because
they don`t want to give President Obama the authority of fast-track. They
don`t want to see him succeed on anything, they don`t want to agree with
them on anything but they are also hearing back home that we will gut jobs
and Republicans at least if they don`t open a jobs bill up (ph), they want
to say they`re for jobs.
The Democrats across the board, 85 percent of those at the House are for
workers and working families, the middle-class families and there is now
historical track record to take us down the road that, yes, we have to do
TPP because this is going to be better and everything else.
It baffles me that President Obama is still going down this road telling
the American people without detail and he challenges opposing voices such
as Sen. Warren who gives detail on what is going to happen on investor-
state trade disputes.
It will spiral out of control. It will be something our Congress isn`t
going to be able to reel in and if this deal goes through for six years,
Congress isn`t going to be able to amend anything.
Did you elect your representative and your senator to go to Washington,
handcuffed, "Oh, we can`t do anything about it?" Is that the government
you want? It just doesn`t make any sense.
That this idea that why we have to do this because the Chinese are going to
be writing the rules, what rules? What rules? The White House doesn`t
tell us what rules, it`s a hell of the sound bite but no detail.
Get your cellphones out, I want to know what you think.
Tonight`s question, "Can labor regulations in the TPP be enforced
overseas?" Oh yeah, we`re really going to tell other countries how to
handle their workers.
Go to polls.msnbc.com/ed to cast your vote, we`ll bring you the results
later on in the show.
For more me bring in Genevieve Wood, Senior Contributor with the Daily
Signal, also with us tonight Jim Keady, Director of Educating for Justice,
great to have both of you with us tonight.
Well, I think you kind of figured it out where I stand on all of this.
Genevieve, look, I think this is serious stuff. I need you to tell me how
a deal in secret is going to be good for our lawmakers to rubber stamp?
GENEVIEVE WOOD, SENIOR CONTRIBUTOR DAILY SIGNAL: Well, Ed, I`m going to
actually agree with you on that part. I do think why not put the whole
thing out there for everybody to look over and see. I mean, I think that`s
through of every piece of legislation and it`s through trade deals. I
mean, if it`s a good deal, people, you know, you and I might end up
disagreeing at the end of the day. I probably will be for it, you`re
probably going to be against it but at least we can go point by point and
say what we think.
So I do think in general based on past trade deals and if this is similar
to those, it is probably going to be good. But I do agree with you, our
lawmakers are elected officials ought to be able to look at it more than,
you know, five hours before voting on it.
SCHULTZ: Sure. Well, Jim, let me ask you the same question, why the
secrecy? I mean, this -- the lawmakers, who are against this deal, have
been talking about the secrecy for months on in, why?
JIM KEADY, DIRECTOR, EDUCATING FOR JUSTICE: Ed, you know, one of the
things that the President had said when he gave his speech at -- on Nike`s
campus, was that America writes the rules for the global economy.
You know, in this case, it`s not America writing the rules, its
transnational corporations, its pharmaceutical companies, it`s the banking
interests. I didn`t elect any of those people to write rules for the
United States of America. So I think the President needs to come clean on
that particular point.
I mean, even, you know, you have a conservative market fundamentalist as
the other guest in your show write now, agreeing that transparency is an
You know, if we have information asymmetry in the marketplace, it leads to
market failures. It`s bad for business...
KEADY: ... it`s bad for the economy, it`s bad for workers, it`s bad for
investors, it`s bad for consumers.
I, like you, as a Democrat, I cannot understand why the President is
pushing this deal so hard.
SCHULTZ: Well, I think that this crosses all political lines. I really
do, Republican, Democrat, metal, blue, green, center, whatever. I mean, if
we`re going to give all the strength of our economy away, somebody`s going
to have to justify it. I don`t care what political party you`re dealing
Now, Jim, you have visited these factories in Indonesia, what are the
chances of labor standards once the TPP is put in place that we`re going to
be able to go to those parts of the world and make sure that other
countries are doing what we`re doing in this country so it`s a level
KEADY: There is no way that U.S. government is going to be able to monitor
the labor conditions in these countries.
You know, Nike has been on the forefront of this issue. They`ve been on
the scrutiny for almost 20 years now. And every year that I go back to
Indonesia and I interview workers, the same issues come up. You`ve got
inadequate wages, you have wage cheating, you have union-busting, you have
a verbal abuse, physical abuse.
And here`s a corporation that the President held up is the model for free
trade. They have $30 million budget, $120 million or 120 people rather in
their corporate social responsibility division. And they are doing nothing
to increase the welfare and the wages...
KEADY: ... of the more than one million factory workers that produce their
products in 43 countries around the world.
They pay poverty wages...
KEADY: ... they`re guilty of union busting. Nike is everything that`s
wrong with the global economy and that should be a real indicator for
anybody when President Obama is holding him up again as the model for trade
and this TPP deal.
SCHULTZ: All right. Genevieve, I want to give you a chance to counter
that. Give me some upside.
SCHULTZ: Give me some good news about this.
WOOD: OK. Well, the world is not a perfect place and it`s not going to be
a perfect place after we pass the trade deal but we can look at history
If you look at the deals we`ve made with Latin America for example, and all
those countries, Colombia and others, we actually saw inspectors, those who
actually going and do inspections and the number of inspections increased
after we made trade deals with those countries.
We know that when it comes to child labor laws in places like Vietnam, the
countries that actually have free-trade agreements with the United States
are making much faster improvement in terms of getting rid of child labor
to countries that don`t have deals with us.
Does that mean they were exactly where we need to be? No, but we`re on the
right -- we`re making the right progress there.
So, I do think that U.S. being involved with these countries is better for
these countries, most importantly, it`s better for the workers in these
countries because they go from...
WOOD: ... informal agreements to more formal agreements which end up
getting them benefits, a vacation, it improves their working conditions.
Does that make them as good as they are here? Maybe not but it makes them
better than they are in those places today and that`s a trajectory that we
want to be on.
KEADY: Ed, if I may, I...
SCHULTZ: Well, it should be equal. It should be equal. I mean, if it`s a
fair trade agreement...
WOOD: Ed, you can`t equal overnight. I mean, it`s not going to just
change overnight. You`ve got to work towards those that ought to be
SCHULTZ: All right.
KEADY: Nike has been in Indonesia for almost 25 years now. And the wages
that they`re paying now in, (inaudible) against inflation, the workers have
not made any real increase in terms of their daily lives. It`s all about
benefits and vacations.
Nike factory workers in Southeast Asia, they make so little money that they
have to -- they jokingly saying its tragic comedy. They have to export
their children back to home villages.
Most Nike factory workers are lucky if they see their kids two to four
times a year because of how little the wages are.
KEADY: The picture that`s on the screen right now, those are nine factory
workers who were exercising their independent right to freely associate and
to try and get a better conditions that the other guest is talking about.
WOOD: But, gentlemen, let me insert this. What we do know is this, so the
countries that have the most -- that are the most free in terms of their
trade environments have the less hunger among their populations. They have
less poverty among their populations. They have higher environmental
standards in their populations, and that`s not just places like the United
SCHULTZ: All right.
WOOD: More free trade, I think those...
SCHULTZ: All right. We`ll leave it there.
WOOD: .... open up those markets and gives the people that live there
SCHULTZ: All right. Genevieve Wood and Jim Keady, both sides of the story
tonight here on the Ed Show. I appreciate it so much. Thanks for joining
KEADY: Thank you.
WOOD: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: And of course, Mitch McConnell says he wants it done by the end
of this week. We`ll see.
Remember to answer tonight`s question there at poll.msnbc.com/ed. We`ll
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Coming up, Senator Bernie Sanders joins me to discuss his latest plans to
help middle-class Americans when it comes to college tuition. And later,
with Ramadi under ISIS control, we`ll look at how U.S. forces continue to
fight against terror. I`ll speak with Senator Ben Cardin, a Ranking Member
on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
It`s all coming up on the Ed Show. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: All right. Here`s where we stand on the Ed Show on tonight`s
Bing Pulse Poll. Tonight`s question, "Can labor regulations in the TPP be
20 percent of you think yes. 80 percent of you say no.
A lot of folks in Congress are very concern about that 80 percent to go
home and try to explain that number.
We`re coming right back on the Ed Show. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight.
Now, if you have a son or daughter that`s getting ready to go up to
college, what`s on your kitchen table? I could tell you what`s going to be
on your kitchen table and that`s a student loan debt, because it is climb
to an all time high in this country of $1.2 trillion.
It is the fastest growing form of consumer debt in this country.
Now, if we want to lead as a country globally, the way we need to make
higher education, the way we`re going to do it is to make it more
affordable and completely free. This is the new way of a fought in this
country, which is exactly what my next guest Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders
is aiming for.
Earlier today, the presidential candidate introduced legislation to make
four-year public colleges and tuition, universities tuition free. And
here`s the big kicker in the whole deal.
College cost could be paid through a new tax on Wall Street transactions.
This is what Senator Sanders is all about. Sanders want a so-called "Robin
Hood" tax on stock transactions to fund the federal share of tuition for
every American student. The plan calls for a $0.50 tax on every $100 of
stock trades on stock sales.
Lesser amounts would be collected on transactions involving bonds,
derivative and other financial instruments.
Now, this is clearly step forward in the right direction as I see it, why
not try it for a year. Well, of course it would work. Then the
Republicans would be against it.
Joining me tonight to give us more on this is the Vermont Senator Bernie
Sanders and candidate for president.
Senator, good to have you with us tonight this is a very forward-thinking
problem solving issue as I see it. It`s what American families are dealing
with every summer, how`s my kid going to go to college.
But the number that I think people have got to consume where the debt is
$1.2 trillion, and I have to ask the question, Senator. If we don`t do
something where we going to be in five years, where we going to be in 10
SANDERS: Ed, this is disastrous situation. That`s really an embarrassment
for a great country like ours.
We got hundreds of thousands of bright young people who now have given up
the dream of going to college. We`re losing all of their intellectual
potential. And as you`ve just mentioned, we have millions more who are
leading school 30,000, 50,000. I talked to a young doctor last year, she
is $300,000 of debt. This is insane.
So it`s time for us to learn from what countries around the world that
doing Germany, Scandinavia, countries all over the world. And they are
saying that they want a capitalized on the intelligence and energy of their
young people that all young peoples deserve the ability to get higher
education, regardless of the income of their family. And if furthermore,
young people should not be strangled by this oppressive debt around there
next which go on year, after year, after year so...
SCHULTZ: Yeah. Senator those who oppose this plan are going to be saying,
why do we have to shake down Wall Street? Why is Wall Street the target
here? Your thoughts.
SANDERS: Well, the answer is two fold. Number one, folks on Wall Street
and people were trading in huge amounts of stocks are becoming phenomenally
wealthy. Hedge fund managers are doing extraordinarily, extraordinarily
wealth and they have got to help us build with some of the major crisis
that we face as a nation including making college affordable.
Second of all, Ed, what this legislation most is not only race a very
substantial sum (ph) of money and a fair and progressive way and also puts
a damper on the speculation that is ramping Wall Street. So it serves a
purpose in that direction as well.
SCHULTZ: So it`s a 2 for 1, you`ve always been concerned about the
speculation on Wall Street...
SCHULTZ: . and this would be throwing some cold waters on a hot field (ph)
so to speak...
SANDERS: Exactly. Yup.
SCHULTZ: ... which, of course, would bring down the risk on our economy,
Now, what has been the response since you`ve announced this legislation and
the mechanism you want to use?
SANDERS: It`s been extraordinary. I think all over the country young
people are writing us and their families are writing us, in terms of e-
mail, in terms of signing a petition that we have out there.
Look, as you`ve just indicated every parent who`s thinking about sending
their kid to college is scared to death and worried about what kind of a
debt their children are going to incur and what kind of debt they are going
This is a no brainer. If you want a strong economy, you have to have the
best educated workforce in the world it is insane.
SANDERS: . to tell kids they can`t get that education.
SCHULTZ: All right. So tell us about the second Robin Hood bill, which is
similar to the one introduce by Congressman Keith Ellison.
SANDERS: Right. This is the same bill as Keith introduced and it`s
SANDERS: . you know, is the same bill. And we`re introducing an
independently, we`re also introducing it to pay of for this higher
education refinancing bill. And by the way we`ll raising (inaudible) to do
some other things as well.
Look, the bottom line here is that, the rich are getting much richer. You
have corporations making huge profits. These guys are going to have stop
paying their fair share of taxes, so we can address the major issues facing
our country and that includes making education affordable and lifting this
yolk (ph) of debt that so many of our young people are dealing with.
SCHULTZ: Senator, if I may profoundly point out in the news in the last
week, other candidates are talking about war, you`re talking about kitchen
table issues, where do you think the public is?
SANDERS: I think the public understands that we need to fundamentally
reshape our priorities that we cannot, cannot, cannot, get involved in
endless war in the Middle East which will cause us lives, which will cause
us trillions more of taxpayer dollars, that we have got to address, Ed, the
crisis facing a disappearing middle-class. And that`s where we`ve got to
put our (inaudible). We got to create millions of decent paying jobs,
rebuilding our infrastructure. We have to raise the minimum wage to a
living wage. We have to make college affordable. We got to deal with
student debt. We have to deal with climate change.
SANDERS: . we can`t keep pushing these issues aside and get involved in
more, more war.
SCHULTZ: Are you enjoying running? I mean, this -- what, you know, I know
you thought about this a lot your early into it, are you enjoying it?
SANDERS: It`s a quite a trip to tell you the truth. It`s very
interesting, yes. The answer is I am and I`m looking forward to getting
out, all over this country, into New Hampshire, into Iowa. We got to make
our formal announcement next week in Burlington, Vermont.
SCHULTZ: Senator Bernie Sanders, always a pleasure here on the Ed Show.
Thanks so much, Senator.
SANDERS: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: Still to come, Republicans stumble on Iraq strategy. And next,
the latest on the investigation into the deadly biker brawl in Texas.
Stay with us, we`re right back on the Ed show.
SCHULTZ: And we are back on the Ed Show, thanks for watching tonight.
We`re learning new details in Sunday`s deadly biker brawl in Waco, Texas.
NBC`s Jay Gray has the latest.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JAY GRAY, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Investigators continue to pull away
motorcycles and pour through evidence at a Central Texas restaurant today,
after a violent weekend shoot out between rival outlaw motorcycle gangs
that left 9 dead and 18 wounded.
SWANTON: We know an additional biker gang that was not invited to this
meeting showed up, hence, what we`re calling somewhat of a turf war.
GRAY: A war police say has to end now.
SWANTON: We would ask there to be some type of truce between whatever
motorcycle gangs are involved. We would encourage them to try and be
little peaceful and let the bloodshed stop.
GRAY: 170 suspects are in jail charged with engaging an organized crime,
each held on a million dollars bond. And there are reports now, more gang
members are moving into the area, those who know the lifestyle and history
of the outlaw bike say, "Peace isn`t likely".
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s about money and it`s about control. You probably
haven`t seen the end of it.
GRAY: Police say they`re continued to be threats of retaliation against
SWANTON: In event something happens, we are adequately stop (ph) and we`ll
be able to do a deal with whatever is presented to us.
GRAY: A department and community on guard right now, waiting and wondering
what could come next.
SCHULTZ: For more, let me bring in Charles Hadlock, an NBC News Reporter.
Mr. Hadlock, good to have you with us tonight. I can only imagine how the
residents of Waco are responding to this, what do you hearing in the
CHARLES HADLOCK, NBC NEWS REPORTER: But people are on edge, you know, this
is a flat religious community and there -- home of Baylor University. This
is just a few miles from there, took place on a Sunday around high noon.
So people we`re shocked that this happened, this bloody murder and shooting
rampage that happened here.
But this crime scene is not more than two days old and police are still
here going through all the evidence.
Right now, they are removing some of the cars and trucks that belong to
some of the motorcycle gang members who came here by car. We saw them take
out an AK-47 out of one vehicle and a long rifle out of another. So they
came loaded with weapons here.
The Justice of the Peace of McLennan County has released the names of the 9
people killed. They are all men believed to be members of either the
Bandidos Motorcycle Club or the Cossacks Motorcycle Club. They are all
from North Texas or from the Houston area. None of them are from the Waco
area. They range in age from 27 years old to 65. Ed.
SCHULTZ: And Charles, what about any new information on these threats
against law enforcement officials.
HADLOCK: Officials that sort of backed off that.
Earlier, they had received credible information that a lot of the
motorcycle gangs had issued a green light to retaliate against the police
officers here. But now, they are learning intelligence that it`s more of
retaliation between the two gangs.
Police are not necessarily involved but everyone is on edge here, appearing
that motorcycle gangs could converge on Texas in the coming days, Ed.
SCHULTZ: All right, Charles Hadlock, NBC News with us tonight here on the
Ed Show. Thanks, Charles. I appreciate it.
Coming up, as the fight against the ISIS builds, Republican hopefuls are
still stuck on the war in Iraq.
Stay with us. We`ll be right back.
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.
Iraqi security commanders are meeting today to outline a plan to liberate
ISIS captured the city over the week end and left 500 people dead and
thousands more fleeing their homes. ISIS leaders are raiding homes looking
for pro-government officials.
Control over Ramadi puts ISIS forces only 70 miles away from the capital of
Two women connected with a killer -- with a killed ISIS leader, will be
questioned about the organization. The women were taken during a ground
raid resulting in Abu Sayyaf`s death. One woman is his wife.
Sayyaf was or reportedly in-charge of the terror group`s oil, gas and
For more on this, let`s turn now to Sen. Ben Cardin who is a Ranking Member
on a Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Senator, good to have you with us
SEN. BEN CARDIN, (D) MARYLAND: Ed, it`s always good to be you.
SCHULTZ: You bet. This is getting pretty (inaudible) as far as the
possible involvement of the United States. I mean, at a new level, I think
that`s what the conversation is around the country, what will Iraq do next
to reclaim Ramadi?
CARDIN: Look, there`s challenges. We know there are going to be good days
and bad days but the success in defeating ISIS depends upon us, having
security in the Sunni communities, they`re protecting them so they can
protect their community against ISIS itself.
We had a setback in Anbar province, clearly that`s an issue that will
require the Iraqi government to pay more attention to the security of that
region, and for the Sunni`s to be able to protect themselves.
SCHULTZ: So how does our role change? What role does the United States
have or does it different from what it`s been at this point?
CARDIN: We have been providing air support that, you know, mission will
continue. The ground support needs to be the Iraqis. The Iraqis need to
be able to take care of their own needs with their military which we have
been helping, train for a longtime, need to be able to have capacity plus
the Sunni population needs to be -- have a better defense of their own
It`s a sense to the issue between using the militia using the Iraqi
standard military forces and the security of the Sunni population itself
dealing with ISIS.
See, these are complicated issues but clearly we need to have a more
effective protection to the Sunni communities.
SCHULTZ: And what kind of information is the United States looking for
from Sayaff`s wife at this point?
CARDIN: Well, and clearly, our campaign against ISIS is to deal with them
militarily in regards to territory but also to cut-off their financial
abilities but we`re able to do with this Syrian raid clearly will help us
in cutting off their financial network which corresponds to their
SCHULTZ: Senator, I think the question begs at this hour, are we going to
get a vote on the use of military force as this continues to escalate?
CARDIN: Well, Congress should pay as the authorization for using military
force. That`s our responsibility to tailor it to the needs.
Quite frankly, I don`t think there is a major disagreement with what the
President is trying to use force to provide the air support and military
training to go after ISIS.
I think there strong bipartisan support to get that done. The challenge of
course is that there some on Congress who want to used this as an open-
handed invitation that could lead to ground troops or could lead to
additional military operations beyond ISIS. And there, I think, we`re not
going to go down that route.
We`re prepared to get the President what he needs and Congress should craft
a very narrow-tailored authorization to support the President`s mission.
SCHULTZ: So, this will be Iraq free?
CARDIN: No. We`ll not be Iraq free. That`s a -- I`m one who voted
against the Iraq authorization for use of military force. We want to make
sure that we`re not engaged...
CARDIN: ... in a ground campaign, that we`re not engaged in a long
What we`re doing now is to bought its mere support. We`ve arise some
training missions to go after ISIS. I think that`s appropriate. I think
most of us think that`s appropriate. But we`re not going to get engage in
a battle that should be handled by the Iraqis or the Syrians.
SCHULTZ: All right. Senator Ben Cardin with us tonight here on the Ed
Moving forward, while ISIS dominates the headlines around the country,
Republicans looking towards the White House are still stuck on the 2003
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS: Knowing what we know now, would you have authorized
JEB BUSH, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE 2016: I would have based on the -- what
we know now.
MARCO RUBIO, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE 2016: Well, based on what we know now,
a lot of them...
BUSH: I would not have gone into Iraq.
RUBIO: If the president had known that there were no weapons of mass
destruction at the time, you still would have had to deal with Saddam
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: According to the right-leaning Rasmussen Poll, 64 percent of
likely voters feel a candidate`s position on the Iraq war is significant,
32 percent say it is not.
Joining me tonight, Howard Dean, Former Governor of Vermont and Former
Governor Dean, good to have you with us tonight. Are we -- entering now
into a new phase of conversation about Iraq? Your thoughts on all the
rhetoric that`s coming in the switching of positions by these presidential
hopefuls on the right.
FRM. GOV. HOWARD DEAN, (D) VERMONT: Well, I think it`s a problem for them.
Iraq need not be an issue in this election but now it is. And it is
because nobody wants to turn but least of all, Jeb Bush wants to turn their
back on, A, President Bush or B, the right-wing hawkish voters which
represent a disproportion in the amount of Republican voters in the
So, I think, this is absolutely fascinating. They are -- Republicans are
creating an issue that really didn`t exist before because everybody
previously had said, "Look, I -- we`ve made a mistake. There were no
weapons or whatever." Now, these guys around are on the griddle and with
the right-wing electorate and it`s a real problem for them.
SCHULTZ: Hillary Clinton came out with her answer on the Iraq invasion
today. Let`s take a listen.
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CLINTON: Look, I know that there have been a lot of questions about Iraq
posed to candidates over the last weeks. I`ve made it very clear that I
made a mistake, plain and simple. And I have written about it in my book.
I`ve talked about it in the past.
And, you know, what we now see is a very different and very dangerous
situation. The United States is doing what it can, but ultimately this has
to be a struggle that the Iraqi government and the Iraqi people are
determined to win for themselves. And we can provide support, but they`re
going to have to do it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Governor Dean, what`s your response? How`s that play?
DEAN: Absolutely brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. End the issue for
Hillary Clinton, I think it`s absolutely fantastic.
So while the right-wingers pampering around, they doesn`t know what they`re
doing. Hillary Clinton says I`ve made a mistake. Boom, end of question.
Everybody knows where she is. I thought that was really well done.
SCHULTZ: Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Chris Christie, they, also, that they would
not invade Iraq. Why are Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio having trouble answering
the same question? Your thoughts.
DEAN: Well, you know, I`ve sort of defend, have to defend Jeb on this one.
I think it`s loyalty to his brother. It`s a tough one for him. My guess
is he rehearsed the answer before then couldn`t bring himself to do it.
That`s a quality of the Bush family.
Marco Rubio, I have no idea why he says what he says about this. This is
crazy. I mean, the American people do not want this.
By the way, you know, the previous with Senator Cardin, the previous piece
was really interesting. I don`t think anybody in Washington, Democrats or
Republicans unless they do it quietly and I hope they are understand that
this -- Iraq is finished as a country and so with Syria. He will never see
Iraq emerges at unified country the way it was before we went in there,
again, and neither will Syria.
There`s going to be a new Middle East formed and is important the ISIS not
to be part of that but the Iranians are busy gobbling up Eastern Iraq while
we`re helping them send off ISIS. We got a lot of rethink our role there
entirely, in light to the fact that neither one of those countries is going
SCHULTZ: We`re always against the clock. Howard Dean, we could talk for
hours on that last answer. I really appreciate your time tonight,
DEAN: Thank you very much.
SCHULTZ: Thank so much. You bet.
Still ahead, the State Department says it needs more time before hitting
the send button on the computer on Hillary Clinton`s e-mails. We`ll look
at the potential impact on her campaign.
Stay with us. We`ll be right back on the Ed Show.
SCHULTZ: And in tonight`s Two-Minute Drill. Take a knee, dude.
Patriots` owner Robert Kraft broke his silence on deflategate over the
weekend in an online interview. The writer said that Kraft sounded defiant
and angry while discussing the controversy. He said the league had nothing
but ambiguous circumstantial evidence on his football team but he changed
his tone in a press conference earlier today.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ROBERT KRAFT, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOT OWNER: I`m going to accept reluctantly
what he has given to us and not continue this dialogue and rhetoric. And
we won`t appeal.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: By not appealing, Kraft`s team will pay $1 million fine. That`s
the largest fine handed down with the league and its NFL history. The
Patriots will lose two Draft Picks over the next two years.
Stick around, there`s a lot more coming up on the Ed show. We are right
back after this.
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CLINTON: I have said repeatedly, I want those e-mails out. Nobody has a
bigger interest in getting them release than I do. I want the American
people to learn as much as we can about the work that I did with our
diplomats and our development experts. I work extremely hard on behalf of
our value, in our interest, in our security, and e-mails are part of than.
The State Department has to go through its process but as much as they can
expedite that process, that`s what I`m asking them to do. Please move as
quickly as they possibly can to get them out as (inaudible).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: And finally on the Ed show tonight, Hillary Clinton`s e-mail
controversy continues to complicate her presidential campaign or doesn`t.
On Monday, the State Department filed a declaration on U.S. District Court
in Washington, proposing a January 15th 2016 deadline to complete its
review of 55,000 pages of Clinton`s e-mail from her time as Secretary Of
State, which of course would bring us just two weeks before the Iowa
Caucuses is set to be held on February 1st, 2016.
Well today, a federal judge rejected the proposal and said that the State
Department must instead conduct a rolling production of the e-mails, the
judge gave the agency one week to come up with a schedule for releasing the
records. The (inaudible) over Clinton`s exclusive use of private e-mail
during her time in-charge of the State Department, has led to several
freedom of investigation information act lawsuits seeking their release.
And of course, for the meantime, the State Department has prioritized the
review of 296 e-mails relevant to request from the House Select Committee
on Benghazi, so where does all this go?
Joining me tonight, Republican Strategist Mercedes Schlapp also with us
tonight Angelo Carusone, the Vice President of Media Matters, great to have
both of you guys. Mercedes you first, Hillary comes out today.
MERCEDES SCHLAPP, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Right.
SCHULTZ: . very clear says she wants the e-mails released, where`s the
problem for her?
SCHLAPP: Well, you know, again of course she wants e-mails release because
this is becoming more and more of -- there`s a tension in the fact that she
has to answer these questions to the press about these e-mails.
The problem for her is the fact that it was -- this lack of judgment and
the first place that she didn`t use an official e-mail while she was in the
State Department. Joyce Farr (ph) who`s the State Department Freedom of
Information Act officer came out and literally said the, the fact that
Hillary Clinton used a private e-mail server is "unacceptable". So
SCHULTZ: OK but it`s that`s kind of old story. I mean where we are today
is that, she wants the e-mails out...
SCHLAPP: Of course, she does.
SCHULTZ: ... does that politically put her in a clear somewhat.
SCHLAPP: Yes. Because for her -- in her mind, she`s thinking trip, trip,
trip. She wants a story. This is destruction for her campaign. Her
message is not coming out at all because what are the -- what is the media
focus on, Ed, it`s on the foundation scandal...
SCHLAPP: ... it`s on the paid speeches and it`s on the e-mail server.
SCHULTZ: Well, people do get paid for talking, Angelo your thoughts on
SCHLAPP: She gets paid a lot.
SCHULTZ: . this a problem for Hillary Clinton?
ANGELO CARUSONE, MEDIA MATTERS: So I`m not a political prognostic here
but, you know, at Media Matters we do pay a lot of attention to the
information ecosystem. And the reason why I think in some ways, you know,
the -- whether not the e-mails come out in a rolling basis or all at once.
I mean one factor remains is that, if they don`t come out on rolling basis,
the right-wing, EcoChamber and the partisan activist behind them are just
going to make stuff of anyway. Then that`s part of the process here.
And I think that it tells us an awful a lot about the way that the Clintons
are covered in the information ecosystems. So I don`t really seeing, you
know, much of a difference here to be honest. The, you know, the one...
CARUSONE: ... and so, I mean, I just think that`s a relevant consideration
here. I mean look at the tactics and the way that the story plays out, we
see consistently time and, again, that these committees selectively leak
information that they`ve had and been seating on for several months. And
instead of doing it to say right-wing blogs that they`re used to do, now
they`re giving it to more...
CARUSONE: ... legitimate outlets in order to.
SCHLAPP: But Angelo...
CARUSONE: . it could have been legitimacy on it.
SCHLAPP: Right. But Angelo, on the other hand, you`ve got like the White
House and the State Department that also stonewall and not necessarily
release all the information that they would to be Selected Committee,
SCHULTZ: Well, I`m listening to Hillary Clinton today intently. I was
into her intently. She has no problem with the speeches, no problem with
the fund raising, and the people associated with the Clinton Foundation and
she wants the e-mails release, Mercedes how much more transparent can she
SCHLAPP: Well, again, I think because the media still asking the questions
about the foundation and, again, those conflicts have been potential
conflict of interest with Hillary Clinton, and the stories, for example
where that Peter Schweizer talked about in his book in "Clinton Cash".
They`re making these investigative reports on Uranium-1 for example, and
they want these clear answers. And again, she hasn`t been giving those
answers, it`s been Bill Clinton that sounded very strange in that one
interview he did with NBC that one time, and did we -- again, the media is
not satisfied with the answers that Hillary Clinton is giving in any of
SCHULTZ: Well, she`s going...
CARUSONE: I think.
SCHULTZ: . to Iowa, not to -- she`s going to Iowa not to meet the media,
she is going to Iowa to meet the voters and.
SCHULTZ: . all this deal about we`re so far away from the caucus, why does
she have to talk to the media.
SCHULTZ: ... every week or whatever. But apparently, she stepped out
today and got after quite a bit. Now, for Republicans keep this front and
center, Angelo, could it backfire? Your thoughts?
CARUSONE: Absolutely. Because I think it`s got what it does time. And
again, is it reveals the underlying tactics here and the relationship
between how they exploit and manipulate the debate and the conversation by
duping some of these reporters. And, you know, I think.
SCHLAPP: Yeah. This is about Hillary`s past, Angelo. It`s about
CARUSONE: And I think Mercedes arguments reveal the real challenge here
which is that time and again, we see the Republican playbook on playing
right in this very conversational that we`re having.
SCHLAPP: This is a (inaudible).
CARUSONE: All we`re talking about is speculation, very generic statements
and old documents.
CARUSONE: We`re not hearing anything new here.
SCHULTZ: All right.
CARUSONE: . and that`s part of the problem.
SCHULTZ: We got to leave it there. Mercedes Schlapp, Angelo Carusone,
great to have both you with us tonight.
SCHLAPP: Thank you Ed.
CARUSONE: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: Thank you so much.
And that is the Ed show, I`m Ed Schultz. PoliticsNation with Reverend Al
Sharpton starts right now.
Good evening Rev.
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