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Date: May 29, 2015
Guest: Timothy Phelps, Mike Rogers, Larry Cohen, Lori Wallach, Genevieve
Wood, Dean Obeidallah, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Bill Nye

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from Detroit Lakes, Minnesota.

Let`s get to work.


SCHULTZ: Tonight, Breaking News.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two unnamed federal law enforcement sources saying that
Dennis Hastert was hanging individual from his past to conceal sexual

SCHULTZ: Plus, the trade war.

when I see what`s exactly is in it and whether or not I think it meets my

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: I am helping right now as we speak to
lead the opposition to this Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement.

SCHULTZ: And bracing for trouble.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re going to have another drawing contest of the
Prophet Muhammad.

ANDERSON COPPER, CNN ANCHOR: You`re encouraging hundreds of armed people
to gather outside a mosque during a prayer service wearing t-shirts saying
"F Islam".


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.

We star this evening with major development in the indictment of former
Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert. A federal law enforcement
official told NBC News Hastert was making payments to a man in order to
conceal a sexual relationship. They had while the man was a student in
Yorkville high school in Illinois.

The Tribune company reporters, citing two unnamed federal law enforcement
officials also say the former Speaker was paying an individual from his
past to conceal sexual misconduct. When asked why Hastert was making
payments an unnamed federal official told Tribune reporters. It was to
conceal Hastert`s past relationship with a male. The quote was "It was
sex" the source said. The other official confirmed the misconduct involved
sexual abuse.

The alleged actions date back to Hastert`s time as a Yorkville, Illinois
high school wrestling coach. The source said "It goes back a long way,
back to then. It has nothing to do with public corruption or a corruption

This development comes as video of the former Speaker Hastert on C-SPAN in
November of 2014 is getting some attention. Here`s the clip.


Here Bruce independently (ph). Hi.

BRUCE: Hello Denny.


BRUCE: Pretty good. Remember me from Yorkville.

ECHEVARRIA: Bruce you`re on, go ahead with your question.

HASTERT: Yeah, go ahead.


SCHULTZ: We have not idea who that person was, or if that`s related to the
story in the L.A. Times. But tonight there are still many questions.

For more let more let me bring in Timothy Phelps, the report for the Los
Angeles Times who broke the story. He joins us by phone tonight. Mr.
Phelps I appreciate your time tonight. You know, when I first saw this
story. I couldn`t help but think that this could have been possible
extortion. What can you tell us tonight?

exactly right. It`s quite possibly but not definitely extortion. It is
remotely possible that Hastert decided to pay this guy off to keep him
quite without a demand for money. But, he was handing this money in
$50,000 increments, you know, at meeting places around town. So, most
likely he was being asked for cash from this person who we`re told he knew
most of this person`s life.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Phelps, do we know at the time if the victim, the person
involved with the former Speaker was a minor at the time?

PHELPS: We do not know that. It`s quite possible because it dates back to
Hastert`s time as a high school wrestling coach and teacher.

SCHULTZ: How did investigators get on to this story?

PHELPS: Well, it actually -- they stumbled upon it, because they were
alerted to a series of banking transactions, which violated federal law.
You`re not allowed to the legal word is structure. You`re bank
transactions to avoid reporting requirements and Hastert started doing that
after the banks as him about these large amounts of money that he was
withdrawing. He started withdrawing in less than $10,000 increments. And
that`s actually illegal.

SCHULTZ: And we should point out that there has been no comment from the
former Speaker or his attorneys tonight, or the lobbying firm that he works
with. And also finally Mr. Phelps, is there any possibility of other
victims? Is this a pattern or in your reporting is this isolated incident?

PHELPS: Well, we don`t know that yet. We only know about the one victim.
And it`s quite this could shake lose others but that`s speculation at this

SCHULTZ: OK. And Mr. Phelps, do you know if the money was going to the
person that was involved with Mr. Hastert, or is a third party involved
here getting the money. What do you know about that?

PHELPS: My understanding is that going directly to this person.

SCHULTZ: OK, Timothy Phelps reported who broke the story from the Los
Angeles Times with us tonight here on the Ed Show. Thank you, Mr. Phelps.
I appreciate it.

For more let me bring in Mike Rogers of Mike, what is your
reaction to this new tonight?

MIKE ROGERS, RAWSTORY.COM: Well, on one hand of course it`s, you know,
another case where it appears to have another politician who`s spend of
these years in Washington telling everybody else how to live their lives
when the last thing they wanted people to do was look at how they
themselves lived their lives. And we`re hearing speculation and we`re
waiting for the fact which I appreciate which he have been doing, and as
these reports come out more and more.

We`re seeing that he had a zero rating in terms of the human rights
campaign for six years that he was rated by the Congress. A zero rating
and then we find out that he`s off doing these kinds of things and reports
are coming out. It just it is -- I would say it`s unbelievable, but for
the fact that it`s another case that so believable and the standard that
these guys want is always a double standard.

SCHULTZ: Not only did he have a zero rating politically when it came to
those kinds of issues. He was known for the Hastert rule. The majority of
the majority, this is a man who clearly was obstructing minority views and
minority efforts to legislate in the Congress is that not right.

ROGERS: This is the man who brought so much of that division to the
Congress, where they won`t even let things come to the floor unless they
know that their side is the ones who will pass it. So, you come in you
have these wrenches going on, these kinds of things that they really get in
there and then have all of these kind of hypocrisy. It`s another example
of how they`ll take a system and under any circumstances, they`ll make it
about them and how they benefit as oppose to fairness and equality under
the law.

SCHULTZ: Now, this happened a long time ago and I don`t now the law on
this and maybe you do Mike Rogers. If this was a minor involved at the
time. What does it mean?

ROGERS: I don`t know what the statutes of limitations are for that. But I
think what it`ll mean and whether or not they`re civil cases or things --
I`m not an attorney so I want to be careful of that. But what I think it
does and what it means for Denny Hastert and for another round of politics
when people talk about this, is when will folks like this get out of the
lives of other people? He`ll have to deal with all the legal repercussion
for what he`s done. Maybe they`ll be other people involved. We hear
there`s banking laws that are possibly being violated. But it`s -- the
kind of things that these guys do and then they sit and judgment of
everybody else. It is -- Ed, you know can one say anymore at this point?

SCHULTZ: Well, as we know in the reporting that anything over $10,000 that
moves in an account has to be reported by a bank. Those are federal
banking laws and apparently this is how investigators got on to this
because there was some big money that was being transferred. And what`s
your reaction to $3.5 million for silence? That to me is -- and that`s why
first question in Mr. Phelps was possible extortion. I mean to bring a
person to the brink to get at that level and to go so far which is in the
indictment to lie to the FBI.

ROGERS: It`s a lot of money Ed, you`re precisely right and I wonder what
information this person who is being given all this money. What else does
he possibly know because, you know, as we said I don`t know of any case
where people were extorted for anything close to that amount for a simple
one-time sexual encounter or even ongoing sexual encounter. So, I think as
these details unfold. There`s a lot we don`t yet and however, it unfold --
it`s not going to look good for Denny Hastert we know that.

I mean there is certainly appear to be enough out there that he was willing
to flump (ph) the rules of banking. And of course a lot these laws were
passed with the Bush administration support to control all of the moving of
money and things like that in response to 911.

So, they passed the laws, and once again even though they passed the laws
they want to be the people who live under them and in the case of Denny
Hastert when asked, "Why are you taking out all of these cash?" He says "I
didn`t have faith in the banking system". So we have a former Speaker of
the House who is willing to speak out the level of "I don`t trust the
American banking system" all in effort to protect himself, that`s pretty

SCHULTZ: Mike Rogers, great to have you with us...

ROGERS: Thank you Ed.

SCHULTZ: ... tonight on the Ed Show. Appreciate your time.

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Coming up, Hillary`s headache. How Hillary Clinton`s trouble with trade
issue is affecting her on the campaign trail and what`s the future.

And later, as the country waits for big rulings from Supreme Court, we`ll
look how the next president elect could impact the nation`s highest court.

Stay tuned. We`ll be right back.


Coming up on the Ed Show, we got more trade talk on the campaign trail.
And you won`t want to miss Hardball tonight with my colleague Chris
Matthews. He`s got an exclusive interview with Kentucky Senator Rand Paul,
7:00 Eastern right here on MSNBC on Hardball.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.

Let`s talk trade. Activist groups are gathering at the war table to figure
out the strategy for next week. Fast-Track and the TTP are heading into
the 11th hour in Congress. The House may vote on Fast-Track next week if
they have the votes.

Meanwhile the Democratic front running for president is flailing on the
issue. Hillary Clinton has not come to a conclusion on the TTP. She makes
generic statements like this.


CLINTON: I have said that I`m going to, you know, make up my mind. I`ve
been for trade agreements, I`ve been against trade agreements, voted for
some, voted against others. So, I want to judge this when I see what`s
exactly is in it and whether or not I think it meets my standards.


SCHULTZ: The Senate has already voted and it past. Now it`s up to the
House. Hillary Clinton is hoping Congress will vote on Fast-Track so this
won`t be a big issue on the campaign trail where she`s has to take a

Americans deserve to know where Hillary Clinton stands on trade. On the
flip side her only announced other candidate for the Democratic nomination
is Senator Bernie Sanders, is firmly oppose to the TTP. He has been
criticized by the former Secretary of State for refusing to take a position
on trade.


SANDERS: I am helping right now as we speak to lead the opposition to this
Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement.

Now, Hillary Clinton can be for the trade agreement -- the president is.
She can be against the trade agreement. I am, Elizabeth Warren and many
others of us are.

But I just don`t know how you don`t have an opinion on this enormously
important issue.


SCHULTZ: The Clinton Campaign is no doubt feeling the pressure. POLITICO
reports Hillary Clinton`s campaign is "Frightened of Sanders. Not that he
would win the nomination, but he could damage her with the activist base by
challenging her on core progressive positions in debates and make her look
like a centrist of corporatist".

Whether Hillary Clinton or not -- likes it or not the pressure will only
get worst especially when she gets to Iowa where groups are organizing to
get an answer. As she spends more time on the campaign trail her refusal
to take a position on the TTP, I think we`ll only hurt here position with
progressive voters.

For more let me bring in Larry Cohen, President of the Communication of
America, also with us tonight Lori Wallach, who is the Director of Public
Citizens Global Trade Watch, and Genevieve Wood, Senior Contributor with
the Daily Signal. All right, great to have you with us again tonight on
this issue, very important we`re coming down to the wire.

You know if the House votes on this issue next week and it passes. Mr.
Cohen, does Hillary Clinton`s escort this issue on the campaign trail.
What about the timing here?

and I think what`s most urgent, is that speak out against Fast-Track. She
wants to led the Democratic Party, 70 percent of the Democratic senators,
85 percent minimum of House Democrats are voting "No". They have to run
for election with her. And she needs to be in the heart of where the
Democratic Party and base is that means no to Fast-Track.

Our demand is we want to see TPP. We don`t need Fast-Track. TPP is 90
percent done. And she should join us in that and calling for that. We`ll
get the TPP when we can read it. For now, it`s no on Fast-Track. Let see
what has been done.

SCHULTZ: Genevieve Wood, what is the strategy of the Republicans at this
point. You got 85 percent of House members of the Democratic side, 85
percent of the Democratic members of the House side saying they don`t want
this by yet...


SCHULTZ: ... the President is still pushing it. It`s really -- it`s one
for the archives politically isn`t it?

WOOD: Well, it is. I mean because a lot of time I look at numbers I think
it was 50 to 20 maybe Democrats said they were actually going to be for it.
And Republicans have said "Look at least 30 House Democrats have to go to
get this thing through. And look there are a lot of Republicans who don`t
like it and a lot conservative Republicans don`t want to give the President
trade or Fast-Track authority, because they don`t trust him. Because when
he`s done to emigration another issues. But he -- right now is relying
upon Republican support.

And look, even if they do vote for this thing and it goes through. I think
Hillary still has to make some answers. I mean won`t people in the
Democratic Party say anything (ph) why didn`t you do more to stop this when
so much of the base did not want to see this trade agreement go through.
Where would. I mean part of being president is being a leader and while I
may not agree with her position. If were in the Democratic base I would be
a little bit upset that somebody you wanted to led my party can`t have a
position on this issue.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Lori Wallach you`ve seen this before. What kind of arm
twisting and what kind of influence do you think the White House is going
to -- go after on this Democrats in the House?

unfortunately are showing a level of commitments. The twisting of arms,
the use of resources unlike they`ve deployed for any of their other
priorities. And so, I think if folks who`re watching you`re wonderful
coverage over the last year plus of Fast-Track and the TTP want to make
sure that there is no way that the majority of Democrats and Republicans in
the House end up supporting Fast-Track. Then they`re really the only
remedy. Because the only thing...


WALLACH: ... that beats the arm twisting, is direct feelings of pressure
from constituents regularly to their House of Representatives member,
constantly when they`re home on the phone. That`s the only countervailing
for us to a president who`s really committed.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Cohen, what`s the strategy next week to stop this?

COHEN: The big strategy next week is -- on Wednesday "National Call-In
Day". We expect more than million people across the country to call their
member of the House and say to them whether they`re Independent or Democrat
or Republican. We expect you. You represent us to vote "No" on the Fast-
Track. We want to see the TPP and then we want to have at it. Why should
we be the only country in the world with Fast-Track?

And secondly, we`re going be saying directly to the U.S. trade
representative. Let us see it. The President keep saying anybody can see
it. We want to see it. And we want to be able to hold you accountable for
what you`ve done here.

SCHULTZ: What is the reason, Mr. Cohen that the Hillary Clinton`s campaign
is giving every union leader in this country? What`s the reason for not
being committed on this? For not giving an absolute when -- and
organizations that she is going to need to get elected? You can`t win Ohio
without union support? No one has ever done it before on the Democratic
side. So is this not somewhat of Russian roulette for her political, what
do you think?

COHEN: I think she needs to speak out on Fast-Track first. Come back to
TPP. She needs to say "I`m against fast track like Democrats are in the
Congress". And then she needs to say "In my books, in my writings, I`ve
indicated issues about investor-state dispute settlement and other issues
and let`s take a look at TPP and let`s see where it stands."

SCHULTZ: Where is the political opening here Genevieve for the

WOOD: Well, I mean the problem for Hillary is that she doesn`t really have
a big a challenger right now, right? So, Bernie Sanders is the beginning
to make in trouble, but she is not speaking out because she is not being
force to.

On the Republican side, I think they -- most of the Republicans, I think
they are running right now. I don`t know but every position. Most of them
I think are for Fast-Track and they are for the trade agreement but the
reality and they can start talking about why isn`t Hillary coming forth on
this? But I think the bigger issue is within the Democratic Party itself
right now.

You got strong -- you got a president, President Obama, who basically needs
Republicans to get this through but he`s kicked them off by not -- by going
around them in times past. And now you`ve got something you want to take
the mantle (ph) who`s not willing to stand and actually even say where she

I mean so I`m a Democrat right now, I mean the liberal base of the
Democratic Party, I would be very upset with the person in the White House
and the person who wants to be in the White House...


WOOD: ... representing my side.

SCHULTZ: You know, Lori, there`s a lot of conversation about currency
manipulation and two of the biggest cheaters out there when it comes to
currency manipulation is Japan and China.

There`s nothing in this trade deal that deals with currency manipulation.
Hillary Clinton said that she would only favor a trade deal that would deal
with that. So what does that tell us?

I mean, I don`t think we`re ever going to get the currency manipulation
that this is one of the things that the United States just seems to push
the chip right across the table and say "OK, we`ll accept what you`re
doing". What`s the future here on this?

WALLACH: Well, to me, the argument that the administration makes which is
we can`t do the currency thing because Japan and some other countries might
walk away. Well, that should be a really strong warning that if you have
the currency disciplines that say you can`t cheat by lowering your currency
and wiping out the cuts in the tariffs that would otherwise let U.S.
exports getting into another country.

If a country is going to take a walk over making it fair for us. That`s
probably a very strong sign that either you have to have the currency
rules, or you shouldn`t have the agreement. But here`s the interesting
thing going on to what Genevieve said. Actually about half of the
Republican presidential announced candidates are against Fast-Track and
TPP. So, Jindal, and Trump, and Fiorina, and Rand Paul and I`m forgetting
somebody but I know...

SCHULTZ: Santorum.

WALLACH: ... they really stick with the -- Santorum, thank you very much.
Santorum is also against. And for any candidate right now, this is the
issue about middle class jobs, about U.S. wages.


WALLACH: About whether we`ll have affordable medicine, about what the
infrastructure of financial stability will be like. There is no one who
should be running for office who can`t say their position.

SCHULTZ: Larry Cohen, Lori Wallach, Genevieve Wood, thanks for the
conversation tonight. Next week, a big week when it comes to this issue
that is building for over a year.

Still to come, anti-Islam protest target the Phoenix-Muslim community in
Phoenix, Arizona. We`ll hear from the protest organizer and have the
community`s reaction.

And the Supreme Court could be in for a major make over. Historian Doris
Kearns Goodwin joins me tonight on the impact our next President could have
on the future to court.

Stay with us. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.

Organizers are planning another anti-Islam rally in Phoenix, Arizona this
evening. A former U.S. marine is planning a draw Muhammad contest in
Phoenix similar to the one that took place in Texas a month ago.

Organizer Jon Ritzheimer has encouraged participants to utilize their
second amendment right and come armed just in case our first amendment
rights come under much anticipated attack.

Reporter Joe Dana has the story from Phoenix.


me. I want it to be just about pushing out the truth about Islam.

JOE DANA, ANCHOR: Jon Ritzheimer calls himself a patriot and an atheist.
He says news of the Texas shootings motivated him to hold a protest two
weeks ago against the religion of Islam.

Now, he is taking it further with the Draw Muhammad Cartoon contest and
rally outside a Phoenix mosque.

RITZHEIMER: I don`t condone any threats being made to the mosque.

DANA: But his rhetoric is hateful. Supporters wear profane t-shirts.

The t-shirt "F Islam". Anyone who looks at that, most people would say
that`s "Hate".

RITZHEIMER: I`m a marine and I am far from politically correct. I`m
outspoken and I just had it.

DANA: He believes the Koran at its core insights of violence not the
extremist groups that interpret the Koran for their own purposes.

RITZHEIMER: It`s not that some people are out perverting this religion.
It`s these guys are following their book as it`s written.

DANA: The President of the Islamic Community Center, a Phoenix with a
protest just planned says "He respects the protesters right to for his

right to be a bigot. Everybody has the right to be a racist.

DANA: He says members of the mosque have been encouraged to attend prayer
services Friday as scheduled.

SHAMI: We`re going to tell our members what we told them before, not to
engage them. And they are not looking for an intellectual discussion.
They are looking to stir up a controversy. And we are not going to be a
part it.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight Dean Obeidallah who is a columnist for the
Daily Beast. Dean, good to have you with us tonight on this issue.

There is a couple of things in that story that I want to point out that was
said by the organizer. He wants to push out the truth about Islam. What`s
your reaction to that?

no different than a clan member saying I want to push up the truth of the
Black people or neo-Nazi saying I want to truth -- push of the truth about
Jews. It`s hate. And this protest is not about freedom of expression.
Let`s be blunt. It`s going to be hundreds of protesters with guns. The
goal is to intimidate the Muslim communities, to tell them you don`t belong
here. We don`t want you in this country. You don`t have the same rights
to us because of your religion.

Just like we`ve seen in the past in our history suddenly with people have
tried to deprive people of their rights because of their race or their
ethnicity. So, to me, its pure hate and its core, the man is not only in
atheist, he`s an anti, he the leader of this group. He doesn`t like
Christianity or Judaism but he`s especially has a problem with Islam.

SCHULTZ: The other thing I took notice was when he was asked the question.
He roped in his military experience saying that he is a marine. To my
knowledge, the United States Marines have not taken a position on the faith
of Islam. I think that needs to be pointed out.


SCHULTZ: Now, you spoke with the leader of the mosque where this event is
planned. How are they taking this? And what`s their plan for tonight?

OBEIDALLAH: Well, I spoke to Usama Shami who you just saw on the video
there actually yesterday. I mean their goal is to avoid any confrontation.
You know, May 17th, this man John already had a protest. He didn`t get the
press coverage he wanted. So, two weeks later he`s back. He`s really
reached out to the media. He`s trying to get attention.

I asked him, are people in the community are afraid? And they said "Yes,
they are afraid." And my question, it was like, how do you -- as a parent,
how do you tell your children that there are armed angry people outside
yelling horrible things about you and your faith simply because of your
religion? How do you have that difficult conversation? And he said "It
truly is challenging and it`s painful to tell the kids that people view is
less than American because of your faith". And these young kids, I think,
are going to have to live with this as they grow up, the idea that you
don`t belong here and that`s wrong. And, you know, who else wants that?


OBEIDALLAH: ISIS wants that my friend, because they want to see
marginalized Muslims in this country so they can say "Your country doesn`t
want you and so, join us". That themselves put you around the world,

SCHULTZ: Yeah. The Arizona Council of American-Islamic Relation held a
press conference today. Here`s what they had to say. Take a listen.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a father, I want to share how extremely painful this
experience is. Raising my kids surrounded by a fake and bigotry, some
elected officials are utilizing device of rhetoric for personal gains.
This is now spilled over to the rallies of hate such as this.


SCHULTZ: And couple with the fact that they`re coming to do a Draw
Mohammed contest and they are armed.


SCHULTZ: It`s like they`re looking for trouble. How else do you interpret
that? How many other rallies take place in America where it`s promoted
that you got to bring your gun to it? I mean, if that isn`t provocative to
the point of we want a confrontation. I don`t know what is.

OBEIDALLAH: No, that`s absolutely right, Ed. And I`ll be honest the
Muslim-American community does not care if you draw the Prophet Mohammed.
It`s not our Prophet Mohammed you`re drawing. It`s just someone you`ve
made up. We don`t have Muslims angry about that.

You think the Muslims afraid now for their lives, for their well-being.
You`re the man who is armed John Ritzheimer, who said Muslims are
terrorists. So, if you view Muslims are terrorists, why would you not
shoot them. So, that`s -- my concern is not will there be violence, it`s
why won`t there be, if you take this man of his word.

And I had marines post at my Facebook page saying they want nothing to do
with this man, Muslim marines and non-Muslim marines saying this does not
represent them. You know, we just observed Memorial Day. There were four
Muslims that buried in Arlington Cemetery with, you know, purple hearts for
dying in the Iraq War serving our country. That to me is a patriot.


OBEIDALLAH: Someone who fights for the freedom all of us had the same
rights for all. Someone who says you don`t have the same rights because
your religion or your race that`s a bigot and that`s what this man is.

SCHULTZ: Dean Obeidallah, good to have you with us tonight.


SCHULTZ: We`ll follow the story. Thanks for your times.

Still to come, Bill Nye takes on climate deniers. He`s join me later in
this hour.

Stay tuned. You`re watching the Ed Show on MSNBC. We`ll be right back.

Market Wrap.

Negativity prevails on Wall Street. The DOW falls 115 points, the S&P
sheds 13, the NASDAQ falling by 27 points.

Stocks sold off after the government`s late history (ph) on first quartered
GDP. It showed a decline of 0.7 percent far below last quarter 2.2 percent
growth. Growth figures will be revised again next month.

And consumer sentiment fell in May to six-month low. However, the decline
was not as stiff as economist had expected.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: And we are back on the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight.

The Supreme Court is set to make some very important rulings in the coming
weeks. They will decide if Obamacare tax subsidies are legal in states
with state run exchanges. If the court rules against the Affordable Care
Act, millions of Americans could start losing their health care coverage.

The court will also rule on same-sex marriage. In a historical civil
rights decision, the court will rule whether same-sex couples have the
right to marry nationwide. It`ll be the culmination of a 20-year legal and
political fight in this country for marriage equality. So far, 37 states
in Washington D.C. have legalized same-sex marriage.

These decisions will impact millions of Americans. The next president of
the United States will have a huge role to play in deciding Supreme Court
justices. The next president could nominate up to four new justices.

In January of 2017, Justice Ginsburg will be 83, Justice Scalia and Kennedy
will be 80 and Justice Breyer will be 78. There hasn`t been much talk from
presidential candidates on the Supreme Court choices, but Senator Bernie
Sanders has a simple formula.


SANDERS: If elected president, I will have a litmus test in terms of my
nominee to be a Supreme Court justice and that nominee will say that we are
going to overturn this disastrous Supreme Court decision on Citizens United
because that decision is undermining American democracy. I do not believe
that billionaires should be able to buy politicians.


SCHULTZ: Hillary Clinton has also said that she would only nominate
Justices who support overturning Citizens United. The next president of
the United States will have a major impact on American lives for the next
number of decades.

Let me bring in tonight, Doris Kearns Goodwin, a Presidential Historian.
Doris, it`s so nice to have you with us tonight joining us on the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: I appreciate your time. Putting the context what we`re looking
at as a country right here. Is the next president going to shape this
contrary for the next 50 years?

GOODWIN: Well, it`s very possibly so. I mean, even if you assume that
four of these people on the sitting Supreme Court will be in their 80s, by
the time the President`s next term is over, two of them will be in their
70s. And the fact is that, some of the others, something could happen too.
You`re possibly seeing six appointments in just one term and the person
whose elected president could have two in terms. And this is a big thing
even if you assumed longevity among people. Most of these judges retire in
their 70`s in the 20th century. So, this is a major change in the numbers
that this new president is going to have to deal with.

SCHULTZ: And is this unprecedented has any president in had this much at
stake or any presidential election?

GOODWIN: Well, the interesting thing is that of course excepting FDR in
the 20th century who had four terms and there had eight presidents. The
only other two presidents in the 20th century who approach this numbers,
Taft had six appointees and Eisenhower had five. And interestingly neither
turned out the way either one of them might had hope of Taft six
presidents, three were gone after six years.

One decided to run for the presidency, another one died in their 50`s and
another one retired in their 60`s. And Eisenhower two of the five that he
appointed became Liberal stalwarts. Brandon and Chief Justice Warren, in
fact he was asked at the end of his term if he had made any mistakes and he
said "Yes, two of them and they`re both on Supreme Court". So you never
know how it`s going to turn out. But this is a large -- just a coincidence
that a large numbers of older judges are sitting there now so the next
president gets a chance to shape accordant perhaps the country through

SCHULTZ: You know, not take the conversation abridge too far here, but I
get the sense that this next election is going to possibly determine the
lifespan of Citizens United, what`s your thought on that?

GOODWIN: Well, I think the question we have to ask in citizens, is yes,
the Supreme Court will have a huge amounted say about Citizens United
whether it gets overturned or whether it gets expanded as it has it for
since Citizen United. But there`s another route for advocates who are
upset with that decisions to take and that is the constitutional amendment.
You know, a majority of people oppose Citizens United, but they say "It`s
too hard, it`s impossible to have an amendment."

Well, history suggest otherwise. I mean we`ve had an amendment to give
women the right to vote in the 20th century. We have an amendment that
ends in the poll tax. We have an amendment that created the progressive
income tax. They got popular election of senators. So it`s just a
question that in the Congress today. There is the 28th amendment standing
there with I think over 140 congressmen and 41 senators for it.

But people just feel that their spectators that there`s nothing they can
do. And maybe that`s a route that`s going to have to be taken rather than
sitting round hoping that the Supreme Court changes and you get a president
who will do so.

SCHULTZ: Interesting, you know, in this lead up to this interview. We
pointed out that the Supreme Court is going to be making some big decisions
here, if the Supreme Court rules against the Affordable Care Act. What do
you think this will mean for President Obama`s legacy? I mean when I think
of President Obama, I think about an economy that he was handed that no one
the president was handed other than FDR. I think about the automobile
turnaround and I think about health care. If the Supreme Court moves on
health care, what`s it mean for his legacy?

GOODWIN: Oh, I think it will be huge. I mean clearly he`ll always be the
first African-American President, as you said the economy will have turn
around and there are other things that will be part of the legacy. But
passing that first National Health Care Act in a hundred years after so
many presidents had tried and failed would clearly be within the first
couple lines of his legacy.

And if it gets overturn then obviously that big piece of his legacy much
less the terrible things that will happen to country at large and it just,
you know, the disruption in people`s lives, more important perhaps even
than his legacies. So, it`s going to be a really important decision that
we`re going to see in these next few weeks.

SCHULTZ: No doubt, Doris Kearns Goodwin. I`ve been a fan and admire of
your knowledge and your resource for a long time. I really appreciate your
being on the Ed Show tonight. Thanks so much.

GOODWIN: Oh, thank you. I loved history so it`s great whenever you get a
chance to talk about it.

SCHULTZ: Absolutely, I love it as well. Thanks so much for joining us. I
appreciate it.

Still to come on the Ed Show, Ted Cruz continues to ignore climate change
even as his home state feels the affects. Bill Nye joins me with his take.
Conservatives have been really taken him apart.

We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Back to the Ed show.

In typical fashion Congress is waiting it to the last minute to do their
job. The Patriot Act is expected to expire on Monday. The Senate is
planning to work a rare Sunday session in an effort to pass the bill.
Senate leadership aide (ph) told NBC News Congress likely won`t be able to
get anything done before the program expires. Even if the senate comes to
an agreement, the House isn`t expected to consider the bill until Monday

Last week the House passed a version that takes the bulk collection of data
away from the government and leaves it to Telecom companies. This version
of the Patriot Act failed in the senate where it got 57 votes.

The White House is calling gridlock in Congress National Security Russia

We`ll back right after this with the two minute drill.


SCHULTZ: And in tonight two minute drill. If you like hockey, we got a
lot of it this weekend. NHL Conference Final action both of the East and
the Western Conference finals they are down to game 7. New York Rangers
and the Tampa Bay Lightning face off tonight at The Garden, the Rangers
come off a dominate win on Tuesday beating Tampa Bay 7 to 3 with a five
goal third period.

New York has a streak on the line. The Rangers are 7 and 0 in game 7s at
home. The Bolts hope for a big night from Tyler Jones who scored 12 goals
this postseason. The Anaheim Ducks and the Chicago Blackhawks battled for
the Western Conference title on Saturday. The series has featured 3
overtime games outstanding. And of course Chicago`s history could mean
another nail biter this weekend.

You can catch all the NHL playoff action in the Stanley Cup Finals on the
networks of NBC.

Stick around. There`s a lot more coming up on the Ed Show right after


SCHULTZ: And finally tonight on the Ed Show.

Parts of Central Texas are getting hit with another round of heavy rain.
Floodwaters and submerging highways are threatening more homes. At least
21 people have been killed and 14 are missing in the state.

Earlier this week, Bill Nye "The science guy" sent out this tweet,
"Billions in damage in Texas and Oklahoma still no weather caster may utter
the phrase climate change."

Many conservative climate change deniers went berserk over his post.
Conservative Twitter tracking website Twitchy called Nye`s comments so

Documented denier, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas has not commented on the
storms linked to climate change. However, the Republican presidential
hopeful did send his support to the families in Texas.


SEN. TED CRUZ, (R) TEXAS: Today, Texans are hurting. They`re hurting here
in San Marcos. They`re hurting in Wimberley. They`re hurting in Houston.
They`re hurting across the state.


SCHULTZ: What`s important here is Bill Nye never suggested the flooding
was cause by global warming. He simply pointed out climate change which
experts say is exacerbating weather extreme events like this should be part
of the conversation.

Bill Nye joins us tonight here on the Ed Show. Bill, good to have you with
us. I appreciate your time. What do you say? What would you like to say
in all of those conservatives who blasted you for your Tweet and your
analysis on this?

BILL NYE, "THE SCIENCE GUY": Well, as I say shooting a messenger isn`t
going to help you in climate change. Here`s what though. Would you vote
for someone -- I want conservatives and Ed we need conservatives. We can`t
have just one side running the show and nobody is -- you got to have give
and take.

But just ask yourself if your conservative voter, if somebody like Mr. Cruz
insisted that there was no connection at all between cigarette smoking and
cancer and was just adamant about it. Would you vote for that person,
would you think that he or she has good judgment.

When I submit you probably wouldn`t. And so, the connection between
climate change and human activity is established at least as well as cancer
in cigarettes so let`s go on with it. And another thing I want everybody
here at -- let`s say our side MSNBC at all to consider is that. Who is the
most strident anti-smoking person? The guy who just quit, right? The guy
just quit smoking he`s like yeah I`m nobody should smoke. So, we got to be
ready when people on the other side come around to...


NYE: ... accepting climate change and so we can all work together. Go
ahead, please, sorry.

SCHULTZ: I find it hard to find Democrats or Liberals who are deniers...

NYE: Oh, no, no it`s like...

SCHULTZ: ... in things like almost exclusively all the deniers...

NYE: Oh, yeah.

SCHULTZ: ... go from the conservative side on this. I mean they are out
attacking you, because of a weather event that is really in parallel with
the science and other events that have taken human life in America.
Weather extremes and this is all part of the pushback isn`t it Bill?

NYE: Oh, yeah for me it is, yeah. And this is a very serious business.
Sorry but I want people to think about is that this could be the future.
This could be somebody happens every year, or every other year, every five
years and it`s -- loss of life of course is horrible, but it`s very
expensive when you flood the nations fourth largest city it cause you a lot
of money.

When Boston is under snow and restaurants can`t be opened for a month or
six weeks, it cost you a lot of money. And so, there`s an economic
concerns that we should all be thinking about. And we`re in the developed
world where we have the means to address this, you know, so I tell
everybody. If you`re on the seawall business this is going to be great for
a few decades. So, this should be the time to act.

And the other thing Ed, I talked about all the time is very important to
me. You know, I was born in the U.S. I got my engineering degree in the
U.S. I have engineering license in the U.S. I took a lot of physics in
the U.S. I want the U.S. to lead. I want United States to be the world
leader in the things that we need to do to address climate change. And
people criticize me for this. OK, it`s still the climate still changing as
we say science is true whether you believe it or not.

SCHULTZ: Well, the political power in Washington is that nothing on
climate change is going to get done until 2017 depending on how the
election in 2016 goes.

NYE: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: I mean that`s what the deniers are doing to America right now.
Now, Monday is the start of the 2015 hurricane season...

NYE: Well, officially you expect this to.

SCHULTZ: ... yeah although

NYE: Hurricanes don`t...

SCHULTZ: ... do you need.

NYE: ... read calendars, OK.

SCHULTZ: Well, OK. Well...

NYE: Go ahead sorry, sorry.

SCHULTZ: It is the beginning of the season, OK. So, on the calendar it`s
there. Do you expect this to be an exceptionally rough one?

NYE: Well...

SCHULTZ: This year?

NYE: ... it`s very hard to predict as we say all the time. You can`t --
it`s very difficult to connect any one weather event to this global
phenomenon of climate change. With that said, you -- we expect hurricanes
to be stronger. Now there`s another phenomenon where the hurricanes get
decapitated essentially off the East Coast of Africa -- of the West Coast
of Africa.

And so, they don`t get a strong and these things are very difficult to
predict. However, and El Nino seems to be developing so you`d expect
strong hurricanes, but either way, either way it`s a very -- the chances of
rough weather are much higher than not. You know, in 2014 was the warmest
year on record. It`s not a coincidence. It`s human activity.


NYE: 97 percent of the scientists in the world are on this. So, the
people on the other side are really not -- they`re closing their eyes to a
situation. They do not wish to acknowledge. And so it`s...


NYE: ... very troubling we got to work together. I want the U.S. to lead.
Thanks for having me.

SCHULTZ: You bet. There is no doubt. The country needs to get together
on this, no doubt. Bill Nye, "The Science Guy" good to have you on the Ed
Show tonight. I appreciate your time.

And that is the Ed show, I`m Ed Schultz.

Politics Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.


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