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Date: June 5, 2015
Guest: Emanuel Cleaver, Tim Ryan, Nina Turner, Wendy Murphy, John
Fugelsang, Ed Rendell


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... Trade promotion authority.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Members taking them very, very seriously.

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN: The most progressive trade
legislation that`s ever moved through the Senate.

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Plus, new allegations against Dennis Hastert.

your first same-sex experience?" And he just looked at me and said, "It
was with Dennis Hastert".

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re just beginning to see the start of something
really, really tragic. >

SCHULTZ: Later, reaction to the Duggar`s interview.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This young man was an admitted, serial child molester.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is a child (inaudible) on a child.


SCHULTZ: And rebuilding America`s infrastructure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: we did not do right, politically. We did not put our
money where our mouth is.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks, thanks for watching.

Will the American people don`t think President Obama should have Fast-track
Trade Authority?

New York Times-CBS News poll shows 55 percent of Americans opposed to fast-
track. 42 percent are in favor.

Now, at this hour, Congress is in step with the American people.
Republicans in the House don`t have enough votes for fast-track. If they
did, they`d be voting right now. Although Congressman Paul Ryan says
they`re making progress.

On Thursday, he told reporters, "The undecideds are falling the right way,
so we are getting within striking distance."

I`ll tell you who`s within striking distance, that`s President Obama. I
mean, he is playing every card in the House. He`s playing every card he
has with the House Democrats. The President has been making phone calls to
House Democrats, up to three times per Representative, asking for support.
The President is reportedly telling lawmakers to trust him.

It`s the same old pitch. President Obama is saying we have to engage with
Asia before China can write the rules.

Meanwhile, on Wednesday President Obama said the TPP could bring China to
the table?


putting out feelers about the possibilities of them participating at some


OBAMA: To us. To us, Jack Lew, the treasury secretary, it sure helps if
they are surrounded with countries that are operating with the same kinds
of high standards.


SCHULTZ: Putting out feelers. How about a direct quote, what is China
saying about all of this? They`re going to keep manipulating their
currency? China has done nothing to make this country and you Americans
out there to believe that they are honest brokers when it comes to
international trade. Look, no further than the steel industry in Ohio.
Thousands of jobs have already been lost and more at risk because countries
like China have been illegally dumping steel on our market, undercutting
the price.

Meanwhile, key members of Congress haven`t made up their mind on fast-
track. Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer and James Clyburn, are all still
reportedly undecided. The Chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus,
Congressman G.K. Butterfield says he`s leaning against fast-track, but he
has not made a final decision.

President Obama has been working over the CBC, the Congressional Black
Caucus, for support. They may hold all the cards at the end of the day.
New York Congressman Gregory Meeks is trying to rally fast-track votes for
the President. Meeks argues that President Obama should have Trade
Promotion Authority like every other President.

The New York Times reports, Meeks, "makes it more biting, denying the first
African-American president that same authority smacks of bias -- especially
when opposition is rising in the Republican tea party`s wing".

Folks, this is not about politics. It`s not about left, right, blue,
green, center. This is about American jobs. Everyone wants American jobs
and everyone wants stability in the economy. This is going to undercut
almost every industry, almost every sector of our economy.

And what`s so bad about all of this is that the president is asking members
of Congress on the phone, "give me your vote but I`m not going to let you
read the trade deal for security reasons".

Ask yourself the question, if you`re in Congress, and I`m asking
congressional members tonight, would you sign a tax package or vote for a
tax package that you`re not able to read? Would you sign onto a national
security measure that you haven`t had the opportunity to read? Oh by the
way, you`ve done that, the Patriot Act, and how did that turn out?

The bottom line in all of this is that, the full disclosure is not there
and I do not believe that the President of the United States has made the
case, nor does he have history on his side. Let`s go back to NAFTA,
November 21st, 1993

Now, Senator Ted Kennedy was probably one of the most ardent supporters of
unions in this country. He voted for NAFTA after going on the Senate floor
decrying the negativity of it all but he says, "You know, it`s going to
hurt American workers if we don`t go down this road". He voted for NAFTA,
later on to regret that vote.

This is not an easy decision, I grant you that. But the bottom line in all
of this is that we have a track record of trade agreements that have gutted
American jobs. In fact, we have seen the Chinese cheat when it comes to
trade agreements. We have seen them dump stuff on our market, and the
trade agreements aren`t setup where we can recoil fast enough and
straighten things out. By that time, the jobs are lost down the road.

So this is more of the same, so why give the President fast-track
authority? Because he`s African-American, I don`t think so.

I don`t care if the President`s Asian, African-American, from Nigeria, if
he`s a fat white guy from Minnesota. It doesn`t matter. The fact is, this
is a bad deal for America, and no one`s telling the truth exactly what is
in this.

And why do we have to have a trade deal with Brunei? Sharia law, really?
That`s going to make our economy better? No. This is a Wall Street deal.
This is a corporate deal. It`s not for the betterment of raising wages in
this country.

Get your cell phones out, I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Will Democrats be able to hold the line on fast-track?" Go to to cast your vote. We`ll bring you the results later on
in the show.

For more, let me bring in Missouri Congressman Emanuel Cleaver, and also
with us tonight, Congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio. Gentlemen, great to have
you with us tonight.

We are in no doubt, the 11th-hour of a huge decision that`s going to affect
our economy. And I want to tell our audience tonight that this pressure is
not going to end any time soon. This is the way the month of June is going
to be.

The President`s going to be work in the phone, he`s going to be working the
caucuses, he`s going to be trying to get every vote until they get enough
votes. So what`s the drop dead date on all of this? Congressman Cleaver,
I know that you seriously are considering where you`re going to go on this
and I`d like to know first of all tonight, how much pressure is the
Congressional Black Caucus under from the President and what do these phone
calls sound like to your knowledge?

REP. EMANUEL CLEAVER, (D) MISSOURI: Well, I think there`s pressure being
applied by people on all sides, and it goes even beyond the Congressional
Black Caucus. But I do think that the President is making phone calls,
make no mistake about it. And I think, you know, there are those who the
President is really making an appeal to, not on the basis of race, because
I haven`t heard any of that.

But he`s saying to them that, you know, "Look, I`m not going to jeopardize
the American worker". The problem of course is that we have history to
look at and history is not that helpful to these current negotiations. In
fact, if we go by history, this is a no vote for almost everyone, but I`m
still trying to be open to this.

And if there`s some thing I could do, I mentioned it, Ed, earlier, currency
manipulation, that`s a big deal to me. I have four plan (ph) in my
congressional district. And that`s one of the things that they`re
concerned about with the Ford Company (ph).

I mean, everybody is concerned about currency manipulation on whether we`re
going to have access to markets that we don`t have access to at the current
tie (ph). And what are they going to do about workers in foreign lands?

SCHULTZ: How are you going to vote, Congressman Cleaver, have you made a

CLEAVER: Well, if I have to vote right now, the vote would be no. You
know, if they put things -- I`m not anti-trade, so if they can put some
things in here to assure the American worker that we`re not subtracting
their numbers, and I can feel good about it. Then, I can think in terms of
voting for it. But if I have to vote right now at this moment with what`s
in the legislation that I know about, it`s a no vote.

SCHULTZ: You know, that is a very profound point that everybody in
Congress is for trade. But fair trade is paramount.

Congressman Ryan, has China done anything to make us believe that we can
trust them when it comes to trade deals?

REP. TIM RYAN, D OHIO: Well, we`ve got more issues with China coming down
the pike with the issue of dumping steel. We`ve seen it happening in
Youngstown, Northeast Ohio, Western P.A. for a longtime dumping steel,
tubing on. We put on tariffs, they comeback in through another country.
We got to go back with the steel worker union, with the companies to hire
lawyers and go chase them all around the globe.

So I don`t see that currency manipulation has been a huge issue with them
since I started in Congress 13 years ago, Ed. And we`ve not made any
headway on it at all.

And let me just say, it`s not a coincidence that the average American
thinks that the deck is stacked against them because the deck is stacked
against them. And these trade deals, you`ll see, I`ll give you one

Senator Rob Portman in Ohio supported NAFTA, was Bush`s trade rep. He
raised $120,000 in the first three months of this year, OK? About 10
percent of what these corporations are giving out. He got in his re-
election account running against Governor Ted Strickland here in Ohio.

That`s the amount of pressure that`s being put on, regardless of the fact
that we have an increase in the trade deficit with NAFTA countries.
Regardless of the fact that Ohio lost 320,000 jobs since NAFTA. I just
want you to understand and your viewers to understand the amount of money
and pressure that`s being applied to some friendly folks to this trade
agreement like Senator Portman, but also others who were sitting on the
fence, and this is why we got to hold the line.

We lost 320,000 jobs since NAFTA in the state of Ohio.

Now, how are you going to say that the average person here has opportunity?
How can we look them in the eye and say they have an opportunity to climb
the economic ladder, to go to a steel mill, take a shower after work, but
be able to send their kids to college, go on a family vacation and still
have enough time to go watch a little league baseball game at night.

Those jobs are going by the wayside...


RYAN: ... and my fear is that this agreement with Asia in the Pacific Rim
is going to make it even worse.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Cleaver, when you take a look at a jobs program, and
this is going to put more pressure on outsourcing, there`s no question
about that.

But the President says we have to engage in Asia, what`s your
interpretation of that in relationship to creating jobs in America? That`s
what I find most confusing about all of this.

CLEAVER: Well, look, we need a jobs bill. We haven`t had one in years.
And we don`t have one now. We need a summer jobs program for young kids.
Just think about, the school is going to be, essentially, are all over the
country by the end of next week. And so we`re going to have millions of
high school kids aimlessly taking in the summer. And that`s dangerous and
not productive for them.

So we need a jobs program, right. As I understand it now, there`s $30
million to $50 million for summer jobs program. $30 million to $50 million
is enough for Tim Ryan and his district by itself, not the nation.

So, you know, if we`re going to vote for a trade agreement then, I`ve got
to be 100 percent sure, I mean, 100 percent sure that workers in the United
States are going to have jobs now. And those that don`t have jobs will have
the opportunity to be trained for the new technologically advanced jobs
that are available and that have been coming in since the recession.

So I`m not sure about how sensitive I`m going to be to Asia. My sensitivity
lies first and foremost with the people of Missouri`s congressional
district, and they need jobs, now.

SCHULTZ: There is no doubt that. And this country has not done enough
when it comes to black youth unemployment in this country. And I don`t
know how this trade agreement is going to address an issue such as that.

Congressman Ryan, let me ask you, do you think that Democrats can hold the
line? If the vote were taken right now, it would not pass. And you
mention the financial pressure and the money that`s going into campaigns to
try to twist some arms and get some votes. Do you believe in your heart
that the Democrats are going to be able to hold the line on this, those
pro-workers out there?

RYAN: Well, we got a tough whip organization. Rosa DeLauro from
Connecticut is leading the charge, guys like Lloyd Doggett down in Texas,
Pete DeFazio. We`ve got some hard-nosed whip counters and whippers in our
little whip operation that we have in the house. We`re working really hard
with the environmental groups, the labor unions have been terrific. The
human rights groups have been terrific, the religious organizations have
been terrific. So it`s a real coalition.

But I will say, you know, for those people who may naturally be inclined to
be for free trade, maybe they don`t represent Youngstown, Ohio, the kind of
- just the people on district that I represent.

We are still dropping the ball on what`s going to make America competitive,
Ed. Even if you`re for all of this, no transportation bill, we don`t have
to be aware (ph) with all the pass of transportation bill. We`re not
investing in the research and development. We`re not investing in the
clean energy. We`re not reusing the cost of college tuition so we have an
educated workforce. We`re not pumping money in the re-training our
workers, we`re not innovating in our schools, all of the key components
that leading to a very vibrant growing economy where wages are going up
still aren`t in place.


RYAN: So maybe you`re for the trade agreement. You`re still not doing a
slew of things. So maybe do a slew of...


RYAN: ... these things that we all can maybe agree on, then comeback with
this trade deal. I probably still wouldn`t be for it but I`m saying we are
not going to position ourselves to be as competitive as we need to be in
the 21st century. If we don`t get on the ball and have the grit and the
tenacity to pass some of these...


RYAN: ... other things that made America great in the first place.

SCHULTZ: And, Congressman Cleaver, my final question, are you comfortable
with a six-year deal? I mean, this is going to set the table for future
trade agreements, which again, could make American jobs vulnerable. And
also, you won`t be able to debate it in Congress that`ll be given to you as
either an up or down vote.

I mean, this isn`t just for one trade agreement. This is a six-year deal.
How do you feel about that?

CLEAVER: Well, I`m a legislator like my colleague and friend Tim Ryan.
I`m a legislator, so when we walk into the House to vote, or enter into a
debate, we want to be able to submit some amendments. We want to try to
make legislation better. And of course, the way the legislation or the
agreement is being presented is that, it`s up and down, as you said, which
means we don`t have opportunity to do amendments.

Now, here`s what I would do. I need a six-year deal on transportation.
Everybody understands for every billion dollars we spend on transportation,
we create 40,000 jobs. Now, if you put -- if the Republicans would say,
"OK, we`re going to approve a transportation bill, a six-year deal", now
we`re starting to talk. Because that means, we`re going to create jobs...


CLEAVER: ... but without that, I`m out here in trade agreement purgatory.

SCHULTZ: OK. Congressman Emanuel Cleaver, Congressman Tim Ryan, great to
have both of you with us tonight. I appreciate your time. Thanks for your

Remember to answer tonight`s question at We`ll have
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Coming up, the family of an alleged victim of former House Speaker Dennis
Hastert speaks out. We`ll have an update on the investigation coming up.
And more members of the Duggar family discuss the allegations against Josh
Duggar. We`ll have the details later in this hour.

Stay with us, you`re watching the Ed Show on MSNBC. We`re right back.


SCHULTZ: And we are on the Ed Show, thanks for watching tonight.

The sister of a now-deceased Illinois man, has publicly identified her
brother as an alleged victim of sexual abuse. She says former House
Speaker Dennis Hastert was the abuser based on what her brother told her
years ago.

Jolene Burge told ABC News, "Good Morning America", she first found out
about the alleged abuse back in 1979. Her brother, Steven Reinboldt,
revealed to Jolene Burge he was gay.


BURGE: And I asked him, "Steve, when was your first same-sex experience?
And he just looked at me and said, "It was with Dennis Hastert". You know,
I was stunned. I said, "Why didn`t you ever tell anybody, Stevie? I mean,
he was your teacher, why didn`t you ever tell anybody?" And he just looked
at me and said, "Who is ever going to believe me? In this town, who is
ever going to believe me?

BRIAN ROSS, ABC NEWS: And was it your sense this happened more than once?

BURGE: Uh-uh.


SCHULTZ: Reinboldt died of AIDS in 1995. Burge told ABC News her anger
boiled over when Hastert showed up at his funeral viewing. She claims she
followed Hastert into the parking lot of the funeral home to confront him.


BURGE: I just looked at him and I said, "I want to know why you did what
you did to my brother". He just stood there and stared at me. And then I
just continued to say, "I want you to know that your secret didn`t die in
there with my brother. And I want you to remember that I`m out here and
that I know".


SCHULTZ: Burge says, Hastert got in his car and drove away. Burge
maintains, she never asked Hastert for money, but says she was contacted by
the FBI two weeks ago to speak out about Hastert.

NBC News has not independently confirmed this account. Numerous attempts
to contact Dennis Hastert have been unsuccessful.

Joining me tonight, NBC News Correspondent Gabe Gutierrez.

Gabe, what is the latest on this now that this interview has gone public of
the sister of the deceased man who claims that he told his sister that he
had a relationship with the former speaker, where does it all stand right

there`s still a lot of questions in this investigation, namely, who is
individual A, the person that was referred to in that indictment. But I
must tell you, we just interviewed a friend and former classmate of Steven
Reinboldt who says that Reinboldt confided in him back in 1974, and told a
similar story that Reinboldt`s sister Jolene said.

He said that Reinboldt confided in him back in 1974 that he had had a
sexual relationship with Dennis Hastert and that this friend who wished to
remain anonymous and asked to conceal his identity, his friend said he was
flabbergasted, that he never had seen this coming.

Now, again, back to the question about individual A, that is the person
referred to in the federal indictment, that federal prosecutors claim that
Hastert agreed to pay that individual, known as individual A, $3.5 million
to conceal past misconduct.

Now, that indictment did not spell out what that misconduct was, but a
federal law enforcement official told NBC News that the misconduct was
sexual in nature and involved that student.

As you mentioned, Ed, since the indictment was made public, Hastert has not
commented, neither has the attorney listed on court records. And the firm
of that attorney won`t even officially confirm or deny that they`re
representing Hastert.

So still a lot of unanswered questions at this point. Hastert is due in
court for his arraignment next week.

Back to you.

SCHULTZ: And Gabe, one other thing, how is the city of Yorkville reacting
to this?

GUTIERREZ: Well, Ed, as you can imagine, shocked. They heard the account
of the family of Steve - this morning and they said, "Look, this is a very
small town, a farming community about 60 miles or so west of Chicago. The
fact that this wouldn`t have leaked out before, especially when Hastert was
such a well-known coach, he was a well-known teacher, after this, he was
elected to the state legislature, and then of course, he was the speaker of
the house. And after that, he was a prominent lobbyist in Washington.

He still was a big part of this community. And short of these people that
are coming out and saying that they heard about this sexual relationship,
alleged sexual relationship I should say, back in the `70s, a lot of people
here are just stunned.

We spoke with Gary Matlock, who is a former state champion wrestler, who
was a student of Hastert. And he said that, "Look, he was a well-respected
teacher, a well-respected coach and he never saw something like this
coming, Ed?

SCHULTZ: All right. Gabe Gutierrez with us tonight, I appreciate your
time. Gabe, thanks so much.

Joining me now is MSNBC National Correspondent Joy Reid.

Joy, the alleged victim says he never told anyone because, "who is ever
going to believe me", that was his quote. What`s your reaction to that?

understand that Dennis Hastert at that time was not just any teacher or
wrestling coach. He was the coach that took the high school where he
worked to the state championships in 1976. He was an outsized figure in
that town and in that school even then.

And then you think about that, of having gone from doing that to losing a
Republican primary in 1980, only to wind up getting the nomination and
winning anyway after the person who won the primary became ill. And then a
second time that happened, then he winds up in Congress.

So he had sort of this charmed political life, and then became essentially
the most famous, favorite son of this small farming community. And people
were immensely proud of him. So I think the stature gap between Dennis
Hastert and this alleged victim that Jolene`s brother, the man who`s
unfortunately now deceased, would have been even greater than just the age
difference and the difference in terms of authority, he`s also somebody
extremely well-known.

It`s really tragic. If true, this is horrific exploitation of a child.

SCHULTZ: Well, what`s also so amazing about this is how this has remained
a secret for so long. A source, a man who passed away 20 years ago,
another source that told Gabe Gutierrez that the conversation goes back to
the `70s. I mean, I find that utterly amazing. Your thoughts?

REID: Yeah. I do find some of this to be really -- it sort of there`s
some consternation involved. You have to remember that Jolene Burge did
bring this story out before. She attempted to go to news organizations, I
believe including the Associated Press and others, and I think even ABC
back in 2006. And her story wasn`t able to be corroborated and it didn`t
go anywhere.

So she has tried to go public with the story before. And you`ll recall
also, there was a great deal of questions around Dennis Hastert when he was
speaker, and his conduct of the Foley case, the Mark Foley scandal, in
which Foley was e-mailing underage pages, some as young as 16 years old.
And there were questions about whether Hastert acted quickly enough or
aggressively enough to do something about Foley and what he knew and when
he knew it.

Then there have been questions like that about Hastert before. I, too,
find it very difficult to believe that there`s been absolutely no knowledge
of this anywhere and that this is not come up before, it`s really quite

SCHULTZ: MSNBC National Correspondent Joy Reid, thanks so much. Joy, I
appreciate your time tonight.

REID: Thank you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Up next, Hillary Clinton takes aim at Republicans for attacking
voting rights, she`s had a nerve. And also, Sarah Palin jumps to defend
the Duggar family from the intolerant left. Rapid response panel weighs in

Stay with us, we`re right back on the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: And we are back on the Ed Show, that`s for watching.

Tonight, one big story in Texas this week is former Governor Rick Perry
throwing his hat in the ring for 2016. Despite having some legal issues,
despite having a felony indictment against him, legal trouble aside, one
issue Perry is dead wrong on is voting rights.

Perry signed a law, a federal court ruled was written with the purpose of
discriminating against minority voters. Hillary Clinton is putting voting
rights front and center, and she should, good call. She called out
Republicans by name, I love it.


HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Governor Perry is hardly alone in
his crusade against voting rights, in Wisconsin, Governor Scott Walker cut
back early voting and signed legislation that would make it harder for
college students to vote, in New Jersey, Governor Chris Christie vetoed
legislation to extend early voting, and in Florida, when Jeb Bush was
governor, state authorities conducted a deeply flawed purge of voters
before the presidential election in 2000.

Today, Republicans are systematically and deliberately trying to stop
millions of American citizens from voting. What part of democracy are they
afraid of?


SCHULTZ: Clinton is backing her words with actions. Her campaign says she
supports a 20-day early voting window for every state in the nation.
Clinton also says 18-year-olds should be automatically registered. I bet
the Republicans would love that one.

Let me bring in Nina Turner, former Ohio State Senate minority whip. She
joins us tonight. Nina, always good to have you with us, what`s your
reaction to Hillary`s offense? I mean, she`s clearing the beach with all
of these governors that did wrong on voting rights. What`s your reaction?

NINA TURNER, (D-OH) FMR. STATE SENATOR: She is, amen. I`m glad Secretary
Clinton is calling the roll. I`m just leaping for joy here. And she
really is right about this. What the heck are they afraid of? Oops, that
people might actually go out to vote. That`s what they`re afraid of.

SCHULTZ: Rick Perry defended himself and took a shot at Hillary Clinton
this morning on Fox News. Here it is.


GOV. RICK PERRY, (R) TEXAS: It makes sense to have a photo ID to be able
to vote. When I got on the airline to come up here yesterday, I had to
show my photo ID. Now, Hillary Clinton may not have had to show her ID to
get on an airplane in a longtime.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s in a private jet.


PERRY: If she`ll fly commercial, you show that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She will have to.


SCHULTZ: What`s your reaction to that, Nina?

TURNER: Well, first of all, the governor needs to get a grip. Getting on
an airplane is not a fundamental right. Secretary Clinton is standing up
for the fundamental right to vote. And it just strikes me a strange
because the Republicans play from this playbook that if they can`t beat
them, they cheat them. And so, because they can`t win votes on the merits
of their position, they decide that they want to cheat the system.

Ed, you know, voting, and you and I have been on this journey pushing for
voting rights when it`s popular, when it`s not. We`ve been doing this for
years. There`s no such thing as an off year election and the heavyweight
champion of equality in this country is the ballot box, and we should be
expanding and protecting it, not suppressing it. And I`m glad the
secretary is taking it to them. And yeah, they`re shaking in their boots
because they know that if young people vote, they won`t win.

They know that if African-Americans, Latinos, other people of color, poor
people vote, they will not win. They know this.

SCHULTZ: Nina, you`ve done a lot of work on voting rights, no doubt, in
your home state of Ohio. How could Hillary Clinton`s proposal have an
impact for 2016?

TURNER: Well, it`s a beautiful thing. I mean, what she`s saying about the
20 days, it`s a minimum. Right now, most states in the country, you only
get that one day. To add those 20 days would be a minimum. States can go
above and beyond that. Luckily because we have federal courts, we get to
keep more days than that. By it`s not because of the goodness and kindness
of the current secretary of state we have. It is because federal courts
mandated that we keep those dates that he and my colleagues in the
legislature to tried to take away.

But the pre-registration of folks before they turn 18 or by the time they
turn 18, that is a beautiful thing, Ed, because study show that the best
way to increase voter participation is to make sure that folks are

So the secretary is on to something, and that we try to do that in Ohio. I
had a bill that I introduced and my Republican colleagues would not pass
that bill.

But another thing she`s talking about is telling the Congress to stand up
and do something about how the Supreme Court dismantled the voting rights
act. So the secretary is dead-on on all of this.


TURNER: I`m so glad that she`s a champion in voting, Ed. We`ve got to
keep pushing. Democracy is better when people participate, Ed.

SCHULTZ: All right. Nina turner, I love your passion.

TURNER: I love yours.

SCHULTZ: Always great to have you with us on the Ed Show. Thanks so much.
I appreciate it.

TURNER: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Keep up the fight.

Up next, two of Josh Duggar`s victims speak out. And later, infrastructure
spending is on shaky ground, former Governor Ed Rendell joins me for the
conversation on the long road to compromise in Congress.

Stay tuned, you`re watching the Ed Show on MSNBC. We`re right back.

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Stocks end mixed this employment Friday. The Dow falls 56 points, the S&P
is off 3, the NASDAQ climbs 9.

The big story of the day, the May jobs report. The economy added 280,000
jobs last month, more than expected, raising concerns the fed may hike
interest rates sooner rather than later. The unemployment rate ticked
higher to 5.5 percent. Economists expected a gain of 225,000 positions,
but the jobless rate holding study at 5.4 percent.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.

More members of the Duggar family are speaking out following the
allegations surrounding Josh Duggar. Two of Josh`s sisters who were
victims are reacting to the story going public.

They spoke to Megyn Kelly of Fox News earlier this week. The young women
did not place blame on their brother and say the system has failed them.


JILL DILLARD, SISTER OF JOSH DUGGAR: People don`t have a right to do this.
We`re victims. They can`t do this to us.


DILLARD: They did.

STELTER: It`s a system that was set up to protect kids, both those who
make stupid mistakes, or have problems like in their life, and the ones
that are affected by those choices. It`s greatly failed.


SCHULTZ: Meanwhile, another reality show star with political aspirations
is speaking out about the Duggar issue.

Sarah Palin took to Facebook to call out what she says is "the intolerant
left`s destructive personal intrusions and narrow-mindedness." Palin says
she does not defend Josh`s actions, but is sickened at what she says is a
double standard that gives chosen ones a pass for any behavior as long as
they share their left wing politics.

Joining me tonight on our Rapid Response Panel, John Fugelsang, host of
"Tell Me Everything" on SiriusXM Radio Insight, also with us, Wendy Murphy,
a former Prosecutor.

Wendy, let`s start with you tonight on this. Do I have this right? We
have got two victims who are speaking up in favor of the perpetrator. I
have to say, I don`t think I`ve ever seen this. I want your reaction.

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, I`ve seen it. I`ve seen it a lot.
You know, I used to prosecute cases where the perpetrator was a father or a
beloved uncle or family member or priest. And it`s really easy for these
kids to stay bonded to their perpetrators because they really love them.
And they loved them when they were little and something terrible started to
happen, and they felt betrayed, they felt violated, but that love is still
there. And they feel responsible if that person has to go to jail.

So one of the ways to make everybody feel at peace about what happened in
the family is to forgive and pretend it wasn`t a big deal. But what we
know from these cases is -- and victims are entitled to their feelings, no
matter what. Whether we agree with them or not, they`re entitled to them,
no questions asked.

But one of the problems is, when you say, "Well, the victims forgive him
and we should just listen to them and call it a day, that`s it". The
problem with that is it decriminalizes this behavior, which is


MURPHY: And in a sense, it gives discounts to the family members when,
what I know from the science is, when a perpetrator is a family member, the
harm is actually much worse because of the betrayal and the terroristic
fear that these kids feel every night in their home, which is supposed to
be a sanctuary, and instead they`re in bed shivering in terror that it`s
going to happen again. And then, the parents who are supposed to protect
them don`t, and that`s terrifying.

That is a crime, and it is a felony. And it is serious. And it`s OK for
victims to forgive their perpetrators, especially when they love them but
that doesn`t mean it isn`t a serious felony. It is.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. John Fugelsang, this is a bizarre as it gets. Why all the
exposure? Why is the family doing this? Your thoughts?

losing their TV show, and they`re losing their reputation. They`ve been
big celebrities for a longtime and it`s understandable anyone in this
position would want to do any kind of damage control they can.

And I understand these young women forgiving their brother. That`s their
right and I get that. And we`ll never know how many families have had this
same kind of horrible incident and have covered it up, too.

For me, however though, it`s not about the sin. It`s about the hypocrisy.
I don`t get to judge Josh Duggar`s entire life based on the worse thing he
ever did. However, Josh Duggar worked for a hate group that more on
people, LGBT folks are out there that trying to molest your children.

Josh Duggar`s father ran for Congress saying he wanted the death penalty
for anyone who interferes with a child.

Last fall, Josh Duggar`s mom did robocalls for the GOP before the midterm
elections warning you that transgender folks might take advantage of your
children in public restrooms.

It`s so much hypocrisy and I`ve just got to come out and say, "Duggar what?
Duggar, please".


FUGELSANG: Yeah. I don`t think you would see this sort of reaction
against them for what Josh did many years ago if they had been a little
less dishonest.

SCHULTZ: And quickly, John, Sarah Palin says there`s a liberal hypocrisy
for criticizing the Duggars, but praising Lena Dunham, who had admitted to
similar sexual behavior. Is this a fair comparison?

FUGELSANG: It`s not. It wasn`t similar. She never touched her sister and
Lena Dunham never used her celebrity to fight against other people having
their rights in the free country by warning they were going to molest your

SCHULTZ: Well-put. John Fugelsang, Wendy Murphy, I appreciate your time
tonight. That`s all we have time for. Thanks so much for joining us.

Still to come, as the economy speeds up, the congressional budget hits a
speed bump. We`ll look at what it means for the nation`s infrastructure.

Stay tuned. We`re right back.


SCHULTZ: Keep on voting. Here are the results of tonight`s Bing Pulse

Tonight`s question, "Will Democrats be able to hold the line on fast-
track?" Interesting numbers. Keep voting until the end of the hour at

We`re coming right back here on the Ed Show, on MSNBC. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: And in the Two-minute Drill tonight, Triple Crown fever. Here we

American Pharaoh will run for the Triple Crown tomorrow at the Belmont
Stakes. No horse has won the prize in 37 years. American Pharaoh is
riding a six-game win streak and is undefeated this year. The horse
struggled in the Kentucky Derby but managed to pull off a win.

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has taken the bat out for charity.
Christie suited up in full baseball gear for a charity softball game on

Look at that level swing. Go, Gov, go.

The governor joined Rudy Giuliani, Rex Ryan, Tom Coughlin and other
celebrities to benefit families of fallen police officers, a tremendous

Christie was named the MVP of the game after helping his team win 4-3. How
can you argue with that?

There`s lots more coming up on the Ed Show.

Stay with us, we`re right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.

Finally tonight, this is the story for the folks who take a shower after

Well, the month of May was a strong month for the jobs market. The economy
added 280,000 private sector jobs last month. The unemployment rate
remained unchanged from April at 5.5 percent. Then, the country has now
seen 63 consecutive months of private sector job growth. The chart is
impressive. More than 12 million jobs have been created over that time

While more Americans are getting back to work, Congress is still trying to
figure out a budget. The budget and discretionary spending is really the
next big fight. Paul Ryan and Patty Murray`s mini budget deal is set to
expire soon. It was a two-year deal.

Congress agrees on one thing, sequestration is no way to run the railroad
no way to run the budget. They need to realize some of the spending needs
to go to infrastructure.

In this country, right now, there are thousands of bridges, roads and dams
that are structurally deficient. One example to look back on is the deadly
2007 collapse of the Interstate-35W Bridge in downtown Minneapolis. 13
people were killed and 145 others were injured. And Congress made promises
but failed to act.

I spoke with R.T. Ryback, former mayor of Minneapolis, to discuss his
perspective on the lack of investment in infrastructure.


R.T. RYBACK, FORMER MAYOR OF MINNEAPOLIS: Every political leader in both
parties came here and gave us some comforting assurance that they would do
what it takes to make sure this never happens again, that we would take
care of infrastructure in this country. So we were blessed (inaudible) and
frankly to hear that we`re still in this debate is pretty, incredibly


SCHULTZ: Former Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell joins us tonight here on
the Ed Show. Governor, always a pleasure, good to have you with us.
thanks for joining us.

with you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: You have dealt with state -- you bet. You have dealt with state
budgets and you know that states can`t do this alone. There has to be some
federal money here.

But this seems, Governor, to be the issue that just gets kicked the can
down the road time and time again. What`s the conclusion here in the
middle of the budget fight we`re about to see in Washington?

RENDELL: Well, you know, normally people ascribe deadlock in Washington to
partisanship. This is not the case. Ideology is not really playing a
factor here.

As you know, Ed, the infrastructure traditionally has been a Republican
issue. Jim Inhofe, maybe the most conservative man in the Senate, said to
me when I was testifying in front of him, "Governor, you said,
infrastructure is the second most important thing we can spend money on
behind defense".

So what it is, is pure unadulterated cowardice. Everyone is afraid to
raise their hand and vote for a gas tax increase, despite the fact that the
U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the AFL-CIO, two groups that could barely
agree that today is Friday (ph), are for it, despite the fact that more and
more Americans are beginning to favor it, despite the fact that when I
talked to groups, Ed, I always ask them a question. How many people here
know what the federal gas tax is per gallon?


RENDELL: Less than 1 percent of the audience raises their hands, it`s
$0.18.7 which proved that it`s easy to raise the gas tax.

In Pennsylvania, with Governor Corbett, a Republican in his last year, I
went up and stood with him in the halls (ph) of the legislature, and we
endorsed a transportation plan which would raise the Pennsylvania gas tax
by $0.28 over five years.

It passed, just barely. Every legislator who voted for it got re-elected
four months later, every single one.

SCHULTZ: And, you know, that being the backdrop, Governor, as it stands
right now, every politician in this election cycle coming up is going to
talk about infrastructure, but there is no major plan to even vote on right
now. It`s just a bunch of rhetoric and conversation surrounding every
campaign, so how do we change that?

RENDELL: Well, we`ve got to make it a real issue. People have got to --
and I think the Chamber could be the one that could make a difference here.
The Chamber has endorsed a gas tax increase but it doesn`t put much of its
political muscle behind it. The AFL-CIO has done a good job trying to put
muscle behind it, but we need the public to get involved and say, "Look, we
don`t like to raise taxes.

We don`t like to see increased spending, but this is investment in our
future, and it`s investment in our safety. It`s investment in our economic

And by the way, as you know, Ed, every $1 billion in infrastructure
spending produces 25,000 well-paying jobs. The one thing we hear in
addition to infrastructure in Washington is, we all want to create well-
paying jobs.


RENDELL: Well, these are jobs in factories, steel, asphalt, concrete and
on construction sites that pay $55,000, $65,000, $75,000, $85,000 a year,
family-sustaining wages.

Let`s get busy and let`s put together a long-term infrastructure
revitalization program. Every one of the G-20 nations have done it, except
America. We haven`t had a real infrastructure plan since Dwight David
Eisenhower decided we need to build a highway system for the country.

SCHULTZ: That highway system is not keeping up with the growth that this
country is seeing right now, and I think the fact that we`ve got 63 months
of private sector job growth kind of simmers the conversation about

It will be interesting to see how all the candidates play it up coming up
in this election cycle. It is crucial, but my question tonight is how many
more bridges have to fall down and people die before we realize as a nation
we are crumbling?

Governor Ed Rendell, always a pleasure. Great to have you with us tonight,
I appreciate your time. Thanks so much, sir.

RENDELL: My pleasure.

SCHULTZ: You bet.

That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz.

"PoliticsNation" with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.


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