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Date: June 15, 2015
Guest: Clarissa Martinez de Castro, Joan Walsh, Tara Dowdell; Areva
Martin; Marq Claxton

REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Tonight on "Politics Nation" Hillary Clinton
defends her progressive fight as Jeb Bush makes it official with new
questions on his commitment to everyday people.

The official investigation into Tamir Rice`s death is released and it
leaves many questions unanswered.

And did this civil rights activist lie about who she was? She`s resigning
today, but should she have?

Welcome to "Politics Nation." It was a busy day and even weird day in
politics when it started with Mitt Romney attacking Hillary Clinton for her
wealth. Yes, you heard that right.


there and sell the populous message when she makes in one hour, mull t
multiple of what the average American will make in a year. When she comes
into a room full of people, she`s smiling with her mouth but her eyes are
saying, you know, where is my latte?


SHARPTON: Eyes saying latte? That`s a new one. But basically, he`s
attacking her for being out of touch. And this afternoon she responded at
an impromptu press conference.


the same things since I was a college student. I don`t think there is any
doubt in anybody`s mind when I say I`m going to fight, when I say I`m going
to try, that`s what I`m going to do every single day.


SHARPTON: It`s essential question in 2016 for Democrats and Republicans.
Who will fight income equality?

For months we`ve seen headlines how Republicans are talking about it and
today it was Jeb Bush`s chance as he officially launched his campaign. He
hasn`t been pulling as strong as some predicted but he`s considered a
frontrunner with a lot of money behind him. So what`s his economic vision?


JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: So many challenges could be overcome
if we could just get this economy growing at full strength. What the IRS,
EPA and the entire bureaucracy have done with over regulation, we can undo
by active Congress and order of the president.

When we get serious about limited government, we can pursue the great and
worthy goals America has gone too long without.


SHARPTON: Limited government, fine. But how did these GOP policies help
everyday Americans? And today, not a word about income inequality, not a
word about poverty, not a word about the wealth gap. The day started with
Mitt Romney questioning how Hillary Clinton can talk about income
inequality and it ended with the top of 2016 Republicans leaving it out
completely. It was official announcement when it was over, it was not even

Let`s go over and talk to Tara and Abby about this big day in politics.
Thank you both for joining us.


ABBY HUNTSMAN, MSNBC HOST, THE CYCLE: Thanks for having me, rev.

SHARPTON: Let me start with the fact that Jeb Bush didn`t mention income
inequality but did attack President Obama and Hillary Clinton on economic
issues and economic policies. Listen to this.


BUSH: They have offered a progressive agenda that includes everything but
progress. They are responsible for the slowest economic recovery, ever.
The biggest debt increases, ever. A massive tax increase on the middle
class, the relentless buildup of the regulatory state.


SHARPTON: Now, Abby, he mentions the slow recovery, but he doesn`t mention
the recession and the worst recession we`ve had under his brother.

HUNTSMAN: Would you if you were him? I don`t think you want to do that in
his position and he`s wanting to think more forward. He has talked about
before that there is a wage gap here and he wants to be the guy to fix
that. So I think he`s talked about that a lot leading up to this point.
Look, this is the big rollout. This is the moment where you set the tone
for your campaign.

I`ll say of all the candidates so far we have seen announced on the right,
I think this was probably the strongest one we`ve seen. There was a lot of
energy in the room. He was passionate about what he was talking about. If
you look at his record as governor, he does have a lot to speak for, right?
He cut taxes by $19 billion. I mean, you look at the GDP during that time,
the state of Florida was well above that. He cut or he created 1.3 million
jobs during that time. He can speak to that. I did sense, though, he was
trying to appeal to the primary voters in the speech today. Because he
knows that`s where people are questioning, is he conservative enough to

SHARPTON: But Tara, I`m hearing them gearing up good talking points.

DOWDELL: Got them rolling.

SHARPTON: And I did watch some of the ceremony or the launch, and there
was a lot of energy and a lot of people. Reverend Holms who heads our
chapter, Action Mass Network, my group in Tallahassee spoke. So he`s
reaching out to African-Americans and I don`t know how the right will deal
with the fact we`re these lefties but he`s reached out and they all, blacks
that are going to listen.

HUNTSMAN: He`s spoken Spanish.

SHARPTON: And Spanish. Latino voters, so the theater is better than the
other candidates launches, but where is the beef? Where is the substance?

DOWDELL: That`s exactly right. Jeb Bush mastered the art of saying all
the right things while doing all the wrong things. Abby mentioned that he
did, in fact, cut taxes. He did cut taxes. He cut taxes on stock wealth.
That`s one of the drivers of income inequality in this country. So to
expect that he`s going to do something, we just need to look on inequality.
We need to look at his record in Florida and that`s where you see he
exacerbated the issue. He`s a trickled down economics believer, and we all
see nothing is trickling down.

SHARPTON: I don`t care, Abby, if it`s Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton, income
inequality, poverty, wealth gap, these things must be addressed with a real
detailed policy plan on how you are going to deal with them, and you`ve got
to deal with other issues like infrastructure and jobs and race, but none
of these were mentioned, x, x, x.

HUNTSMAN: Not just mentioned, it has to be the focus.

SHARPTON: Has to be the focus.

HUNTSMAN: If he wants to win, that has to be the focus and I think his
campaign knows that. They also know that he cannot be the Mitt Romney 2.0.
Because when you think about 2012, you think about the Romney/Ryan tax plan
that didn`t resonate with the voters, clearly, and they gave us opportunity
toward the populist to attack them on that. So he`s got to find a new way
to talk about the economy in terms of giving new businesses the energy to
do what they do best. That is conservative at its core. You got to find a
way to talk about that to excite that base, but not just the American, Rev.
You got to talk to the American voters to a broad range. He is going to
have the challenge of winning the primary but then also sending that
message to a lot of the independent voters, too.

SHARPTON: Well, he has to win the primaries, otherwise, he doesn`t get to
the general. But he can`t go so far off the deep end that he`s not
probable in the general. He has to deal with reality. The reality is this
president, Barack Obama, has brought this country back from his brother.


SHARPTON: And then in between he had Mitt 47 percent Romney. So he`s got
a lot of --

HUNTSMAN: A lot of juggling to do.

SHARPTON: Juggle in the air.

DOWDELL: That`s the problem for him. He`s trying to walk a tight rope.
And you saw him. He was throwing out sort of code and conservative
language, red meat language to the base during this launch. But the
problem is you have a conservative base that has moved very far to the
right, and it`s not just that they need you to govern a certain way because
Jeb Bush is a conservative. He is a real conservative. That should not be
mistaken. His policies are not in any way about the little guy, the little
woman, the person struggling to make ends meet. That`s not who he is. But
the thing is, they don`t just want you to govern in certain way. They want
you to say nasty things. They want you to attack the president. They want
you to attack (INAUDIBLE).

SHARPTON: Or got to be ugly.

DOWDELL: They want it to be ugly and that going to be his real challenge,
how do you do that and not turn off everybody else.

HUNTSMAN: Rev., that`s a good point because it`s about exciting the base
and you look at Jeb Bush and he had the advantage with money. He had the
advantage when it comes to the people he surrounded himself with. He had
the advantage with the ground game in the primary state. Question is he
can excite people? Can people get motivated to vote for Jeb Bush?

And I talked to a number of my Republican friends and I get the same answer
every time. They will say Jeb is probably the one I`ll end up with. I`m
not thrilled at this moment. He`s the safe guy. I really want to look at
someone like Marco Rubio who does seem like someone that could excite me
and excite the Republican Party. So, he`s going to have to prove he`s

SHARPTON: The advantage of that, though, Abby, could be and it`s a real
gamble is the that the guys that are exciting and more extemporaneous and
spontaneous could make mistake. The more delivered guy is prone to make

HUNTSMAN: Say things will that are offensive.

SHARPTON: Heavy on policy, he could ride this out but he`s not even heavy
on the policy. He says I`m an introvert. Well, show me what you`ve been
playing this inside, Tara, with the more reflective, more adult kind of I`m
the guy that thinks things through. Tell me what you think about income
inequality, poverty, what are you going to do? He`s not saying that.

DOWDELL: And the other problem for him is that him getting in the race is
actually incentivizing other Republicans to get in the race. That`s not
where you want to be. Jon Kasich, the governor of Ohio said that the
reason why he`s getting in the race is because he thought Jeb Bush was
going to be the rock star, direct quote that he was going to take the air
out of the room and he said that didn`t happen so now I`m getting in the
race. So now, other people are seeing opportunities because of how weak a
candidate he is shown himself to be so far. And that`s not where you want
to be.

HUNTSMAN: It`s a long road, though, Rev. We still got a ways to go and I
think he`s got some opportunity here to really talk about income
inequality, to talk about what his ideas are to improve the economy. And I
think we need to give him the chance and hear him out because as you said
today, we`re not hearing a lot of the specifics yet. The rollout days are
really to set the tone for your campaign to get people --

SHARPTON: But the rollout you grab people`s attention, the rollout is your
first impression. So yes, we can hear him out but he`s supposed to make us
all sit up in our seats today, and he had us in the chairs, but he didn`t
have us sitting up in our seats.

HUNTSMAN: Well, if you were to talk to people there, you would probably
hear them say we were standing up and cheering. The audience was so
energized. They are really excited about it. So I think it depends who
you talk to.

SHARPTON: And he left and went and got a latte himself.

DOWDELL: Right. Exactly.

SHARPTON: Tara Dowdell and Abby Huntsman, thank you for your time tonight.

HUNTSMAN: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: Make sure you catch Abby on "the Cycle" weekdays at 3:00 p.m.
right here on MSNBC.

We`re following news on the manhunt for two killers and the prison worker
accused of helping them. New details tonight about a sexual relationship
with one of the murders.

And tonight, the Tamir Rice investigation on the fatal police shooting is
released. New questions on the officer`s account of what happened and who
refused to talk.

And the civil rights leader accused of pretending to be black resigns.
Today her parents speak out. What we can all learn from this controversy?


SHARPTON: The manhunt for two escaped prisoners in the tenth day. Over
800 law enforcement officers combing through more than 700 tips in the
search for Richard Matt and David Sweat. And today, new details on prison
worker Joyce Mitchell and the relationship she has had with both killers
that she helped free from maximum-security prison. Sources tell NBC News
that Joyce Mitchell was quote investigated for a prior sexual incident with
Sweat, and afterward, the other escapee Richard Matt charmed himself into
affection so much, she thought it was love.

Mitchell made her second court appearance today which she waived the
preliminary hearing on the two charges connected with helping the prisoners
escape. She has pled not guilty to both charges.


SHARPTON: Was Tamir Rice given a warning before he was shot and killed
last year? That`s the key question raised by a new report released by the
prosecutor. It details the sheriff`s investigation into the 12-year-old`s
death shot by Officer Timothy Loehmann while holding a pellet gun.

The report says that right after the shooting Officer Loehmann told another
officer quote "he gave me no choice. He reached for the gun and there was
nothing I could do." Another officer who talked to Loehmann summarized the
account by saying quote "they arrived on the scene while yelling commands
at the kid. They stopped the car and the kid went for the firearm arm and
tried to pull it out." That version of defense was echoed by Cleveland
deputy police chief after the shooting.


given to show your hands by Officer Loehmann as he pulled up to the gazebo
there. His door was open as he pulled up and he was yelling three
commands, he yelled three times as they pulled up.


SHARPTON: But the video shows Tamir Rice was shot less than two seconds
after the police car stopped. And his new report says quote "no witnesses
said they heard any verbal commands or warnings being given before the
shots were fired." One witness even described hearing two gunshots, saying
bang, bang, then afterward hearing someone yell freeze, show me your hands.

Both officers in this video refuse to be interviewed for this
investigation, but some of those who did and was came forward and did talk
offered heart-breaking details about that day. Like the FBI agent who
tried to help Tamir as he lay bleeding on the ground.

The agent informed him that he was a paramedic and there to help him.
Tamir responded with a nod to of his head and reached for his hand.

Joining me now is legal analyst Avera Martin and former New York City
police officer and director of black law enforcement alliance Marq Claxton.
Thank you both for being here.



SHARPTON: Areva, the officer said he warned Tamir Rice, witnesses say he
didn`t. How does this get resolved?

MARTIN: Very troubling. What we`re learning from this police report is
that we`ve been told all along there was this warning given, at least
multiple warnings. But now, what we`re hearing from the investigation is
no one heard that warning. No police dash-cam, no body camera, so now we
have this dispute between the officer who is claiming he did give a warning
and the witnesses who were on the scene who apparently witnessed everything
that happened saying they didn`t hear that warning. Very, very disturbing,
and also, the timing. What we`re learning is it happen so quickly it`s
doubtful there was a warning could have been --.

SHARPTON: But you also have this judge.


SHARPTON: That has come out with an advisory opinion based on the attorney
for the family, attorney Madison going with the obscure law and the judge
says that it was virtually impossible given the time for there to have been
any verbal warning.

MARTIN: Because what we`re learning, Rev., is that the car was apparently
still in motion as this officer is jumping out of the car.

SHARPTON: There is a video.

MARTIN: Firing his gun. So the thought that he could have been talking,
giving commands and shooting is nonsensical. And I don`t think it is going
to be believed.

SHARPTON: All you have to do is watch the video.

MARTIN: The video is very troubling.

SHARPTON: Marq, what do you think about the two officers not speaking with

CLAXTON: It`s to be expected. I mean, given the climate, what is going
around the nation and just typical police protocol, especially cases such
as this. The police prefer not to speak to investigators at any point
unless compelled to do so and especially a case given, you know, this
magnitude and the possible consequences, so that`s pretty much standard.
And as we saw in Baltimore, it`s actually built in and structured into law
itself to allow police officers along for your time before they even are,
have the ability to give a statement. So that`s pretty typical.

SHARPTON: Now Areva, key information from the man who called 911 about
Tamir Rice never made it to the police dispatcher or officers who
responded. Listen to the call.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a guy holding a pistol, you know, it`s probably
fake but he`s like pointing it at everybody. It`s probably fake but he`s
scaring the (bleep) out of me.


SHARPTON: Now here is what the report says about the woman who took that
911 call. Quote "Hollinger refused to answer a question about why she did
not relay information from the 911 caller about how the person with the gun
is probably fake and probably a juvenile." Isn`t that a critical piece of

MARTIN: Huge failure on the part of this dispatcher. Because you have
these officers arriving at the scene believing that there is a much older
individual who is waving a gun that looks like it`s a real gun. Never told
that this was a juvenile, someone who we later learned was 12 years old and
never told that it was probably a fake gun. So think --

SHARPTON: And the one who called 911 said it was probably a fake gun.

MARTIN: So it would have changed the whole state of the mind of these
officers had they had that very critical information. So it`s going to be
interesting how that dispatcher continues to support what she did with
respect to relaying that information.

SHARPTON: Now, Marq, the report also addresses how quickly Tamir received
medical attention and FBI agent arrived minutes after the shooting was the
first to work on Tamir. He told investigators quote "as I approached the
officers, I asked for they had any first aid equipment, medical gear. They
didn`t have anything." And a Cleveland police sergeant told police
officers quote "none of the Cleveland police vehicles are equipped with any
first aid kits, nor is there any type of medical training provided." I
mean, is that normal, Marq?

CLAXTON: That shouldn`t be normal. And it speaks to a larger issue and
something I raised, and as well as attorney Martin has raised, too. The
need for there to be a smarter and more sophisticated policing system, the
need to increase professional standards and there should be an expectation
on behalf of the public that the law enforcement professionals, the police
on the street are trained in basic medical aid. That should be a standard
professional standard across the nation and it is sad and troubling it
wasn`t in this case and there needs to be a deeper investigation whether or
not that is true.

I just can`t imagine a modern day police agency not affording their police
professional`s medical basic medical training. Part of our responsibility
is to protect and preserve life, our number one responsibility.

SHARPTON: Now, the other thing that I found very interesting, Areva, is
Tamir Rice`s pellet gun was supposed to have an orange piece on it to make
it obvious that it`s not a real gun. The friend that gave it to Tamir told
deputies quote "the gun had malfunctioned and he attempted to fix it. He
disassembled the gun, discovered the problem, fixed the problem and when he
reassembled the gun, he was unable to get the orange tip back on the gun.
Now could that affect how the grand jury will view the officer`s response.

MARTIN: Well, we know, Rev., that the officers on the scene consistently
say that they believed the gun was real, that the gun looked like a real
gun. But again, we go back to this dispatcher. The caller told her that
the gun was probably fake. That information was never relayed to those

SHARPTON: But when you look at the tape, they didn`t take time to see much
of anything. I mean, they barely had gotten up to him before they started

MARTIN: That`s a huge problem in this case, and that`s why that judge in
Cleveland said that there was probable cause for murder for the officer
that did the shooting, and that other charges with respect to his partner.
That judge said look, this was just a catastrophe from the beginning. How
do you take two seconds and start shooting? You haven`t assessed the
situation and made determinations about whether this person is waving
really, you know, waving a real gun, a fake gun, whether he`s going to
concede to any commands made. So I think --

SHARPTON: By law, you supposed to give the warnings and commands. Not

MARTIN: There should have been a warning given and assessment of the
situation, there should have been some determinations made that made the
decision making by those officers who look very different than a decision
that was made to shoot this 12-year-old young boy.

SHARPTON: I`m going to have to leave it there. Marq Claxton and Areva
Martin, thank you both for your time tonight.

MARTIN: Thanks, Rev.

CLAXTON: Thank you, Rev.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, big news about the activist accused of lying about
her race. Today her parents responded to her resignation.

Also, Mitt Romney talks about his worst mistake in 2012 and it`s a big one.
Too bad the Republicans this time around are doing the same thing.

But first, Chair Paul Ryan, your new fumblings on Obamacare have made you
the lucky winner of tonight`s "Gotcha."


SHARPTON: The Supreme Court might be days away from ruling on ObamaCare,
and Republicans are still searching for a plan B. Congressman Paul Ryan
steps up to the plate.


CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS HOST: Will Republicans come up with a way,
Republicans and Congress to make sure that those six to seven million who
depend on those subsidies in 34 states are not left high and dry.

REP. PAUL RYAN (R), WISCONSIN: If we will have an answer, we will have a
solution. We don`t want people to fall victim because of this bad law.


SHARPTON: Strike one, let`s hear a solution.


WALLACE: You`re saying you guarantee the Republicans will come --

RYAN: We will have a solution, yes.

WALLACE: That will make sure that six to seven million people will be able
to keep their subsidies.

RYAN: We will have a solution that addresses this law.

WALLACE: That`s what I`m asking you about.

RYAN: We will have a solution --

WALLACE: Here is a question, Congressman.

RYAN: The answer is yes, we`ll have a solution.



SHARPTON: Yes. Strike two and these aren`t curveballs, it`s a fair
question. You`ve got one more chance. Let`s see what happens.


WALLACE: Do you have a plan that would make sure that, for instance here,
16 million Americans who didn`t have health insurance will get health

RYAN: Yes, we will. We want to see where the ruling is specifically so
that we can customize our response to the actual ruling and that plan will
involve making sure that people have assistance as we transition and we get
people freedom from ObamaCare.


SHARPTON: And strike three from a long literally helping millions, you
want to give freedom from that? 6.4 million people could lose insurance,
if the Supreme Court rules against these subsidies. Did Paul Ryan think we
wouldn`t notice he promised a grand slam but instead striking out? Nice
try. But we got you.


SHARPTON: Can the GOP learn from past mistakes? Mitt Romney is talking
about his.


MITT ROMNEY (R), 2012 PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: The biggest mistake I made was
not focusing very early on on minority voters. Hispanic Americans,
African-Americans, Asian Americans.


SHARPTON: Not focusing on minority voters. I think he`s talking about
this approach to illegal immigration.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You say you don`t want to go and round up people and
deport them, but you also say that they would have to go back to their home
countries and then apply for citizenship. So, if you don`t deport them,
how do you send them home?

ROMNEY: Well, the answer is self-deportation, which is people decide that
they can do better by going home because they can`t find work here because
they don`t have legal documentation to allow them to work here.


SHARPTON: So what are the 2016 contenders learning? This weekend many of
the hopefuls attended the Romney Utah Summit. Lindsey Graham admitted the
minority outreach issue could win or lose the election for his party.


our party a great service by admitting that embracing self-deportation in
2012 was their biggest mistake. They have given us a chance in 2016 to win.
I hope self-deportation is in our rearview mirror as a party because if it
is not, we will lose in 2016.


SHARPTON: But it`s not about mistakes, it`s about policies on immigration,
of a foreign inclusive pathway to citizenship. That`s the question. Why
they still set on repealing ObamaCare, which impacts African-Americans the
most is another question? And how about adopting economic policies that
are fed to low income and often minority communities? The definition of
insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting
different results. We will see.

Joining me now is Clarissa Martinez de Castro, deputy vice president of the
National Council of La Raza and`s Joan Walsh. Thank you both for
being here.



SHARPTON: Joan, are you seeing a shift in tone if not policy from the
right on immigration?

WALSH: I think with a few of these guys there is a definite shift in tone
and I welcome it. Because it`s a shift away from some of the hateful
language and hopefully away from self-deportation which was an ugly idea.
But you make the right point, Reverend Al, it`s not a shift in policies.
Jeb Bush speaks lovely Spanish. I was very impressed by that. I think it
does matter, it does help but he`s not offering an inclusive pathway to
citizenship, they`re not talking about voting rights, they are not standing
up for voting rights, they are not standing up, they want to repeal
ObamaCare. So, they act as though the issue with so-called minority voters
is the people haven`t been nice enough. They haven`t said hello in the
supermarket. They haven`t reached out. Outreach involves listening to
people, not telling them if you knew what who we were you, you would love
our policies.

SHARPTON: Clarissa, I mean, that is also the point in the -- when you look
at the demographics with the republican, the demographic of the Latino
vote. Since George W. Bush, the GOP is seeing a decline in the Latino vote
from 40 percent steadily declining to 27 percent. Isn`t it about the
policies? We just don`t want better manners, we want better policy.

MARTINEZ DE CASTRO: Absolutely. I mean, I think that any candidate knows,
hopefully, by this time knows that there is three things, three basic
elements, one is the candidate matters, what I mean by that is that
regardless of what party you are from, there is a potential to make headway
with any particular set of voters including Latinos and members of other
minority communities, but that is predicated on number two that positions


MARTINEZ DE CASTRO: What are the policy positions on the issues those
communities regard important and then number three, that with the right
candidate and the right positions, then you obviously still have to do
meaningful outreach, which I think it`s more or less than for democrats,
but absolutely. Candidates matter, positions matter, and meaningful
outreach is essential.

SHARPTON: Now Joan, you know, talking about minority outreach, it`s
important to note that Mitt Romney supported a voter ID law that could
disenfranchise 25 percent of African-Americans. Recently, Hillary Clinton
called out the GOP on voter suppression and here was the response. Scott
Walker slammed the speech saying, quote, Hillary Clinton`s extreme views
are far outside the main stream. Let me play some of the other responses.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It makes sense to have a photo ID to be able to vote.
When I got on the airline to come up here yesterday, I had to show my photo
ID. Now, Hillary Clinton may have not had to show an ID to get on an
airport in a long time.

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: Secretary Clinton doesn`t know the
first thing about voting rights in New Jersey or other states she attacked,
and my sense is that she wants an opportunity to, you know, commit greater
acts of voter fraud around the country.


SHARPTON: So how is that for outreach? I mean, with the Latino voters
you`ve not come with an immigration policy that is as progressives and fair
as what has been proposed by this sitting president who you oppose.

WALSH: Right.

SHARPTON: And with African-American voting who just celebrated in March
the voting rights act, you`re advocating things that actually would bring
us backwards potentially up to 25 percent in exercising the right to vote
would unnecessary kind of restrictions against fraud that does not even
exist and can`t be documented.

WALSH: Right, I mean, voter fraud, this is fear mongering, there is no
problem with voter fraud --


WALSH: -- and they bring this up again and again and again.

SHARPTON: Well, how do you have outreach when you`re doing these things?

WALSH: Exactly. And voters are smarter than that. Voters know that there
are some Republicans that are trying to curtail their voting rights.
Hillary Clinton really got under their skin with that very simple elegant
solution of universal voter registration. She has been very clear in
targeting it at them and calling them out on it. They don`t like it one
bit. But again, I think this really hurts them as they say they would like
to do something more and get a higher percentage of the African-American

SHARPTON: And Clarissa, it`s not just African-Americans, it`s the Latino
voters well impacted by these voter ID laws that are unnecessary and
cutting back on early voting.


SHARPTON: Let me get this right, you`re going to outreach to Latinos and
African-Americans to come out and vote for me or we`re going to cut in half
the days you can vote. Sounds a little contradictory to me.

MARTINEZ DE CASTRO: Well, that`s one of the issues I have, not just with
political campaigns but almost the way that it seems we are trying to
govern ourselves, and more often not being effective at governing is that
common sense solution now are being completely politicized. We don`t care
about the integrity of our voters system. And part of that integrity is to
make sure that eligible voters are able to cast a vote. But I only hear
from Republicans mostly talking about how to make voting more difficult. I
want to hear also what are the solutions to make sure we`re going to
strengthen democracy but making sure that eligible voters have an easier
time to participate and part of the problem with the debate we`re seeing
and the voter arena is that in many ways and I don`t think any American
stands for this, we are going into a territory where elected officials are
actually trying to select the voters instead of voters selecting elected

SHARPTON: Yes. And that is the problem. And like you say, common sense
solutions, but as always, we are seeing as I get older, I see it more and
more, in politics, common sense is not that common.


SHARPTON: And I think that we are seeing good trappings, better trappings
but not solutions. Reverend Holmes, my man was there with Jeb Bush today
but the policies were not there, not even address.

Clarissa Martinez de Castro, Joan Walsh, thank you both for your time

WALSH: Thanks, Rev.


SHARPTON: Coming up, the civil rights activist who is accused of lying
about her race resigns from a leadership role. What are her parents
saying? And is it really happening? Look out GOP, a big announcement from
Donald Trump tomorrow. We have some news, next.


SHARPTON: Big news tonight about the activist who was accused by her
parents of lying about her race. Rachel Dolezal has resigned as the
president of the NAACP Chapter in Spokane, Washington. She announced it on
a statement on the chapter`s Facebook page saying, quote, "The dialogue has
unexpectedly shifted internationally to my personal identity in the context
of defining race and ethnicity." Others expressed their feelings,
believes, confusions, and even conclusions absent the full story.
Dolezal`s parents shocked a lot of people when they said she`s been
misrepresenting herself as African-American for years. And today they
responded to her resignation in an interview with my colleague Thomas


resignation, there was no actual addressing of the issue of being dishonest
about her ethnicity, nor was there any apology. So, I am concerned for
Rachel, particularly because of her dishonesty and then the unwillingness
so far to address that and choose a new course, and I think that will be
absolutely necessary for her to move forward.


SHARPTON: Tonight, the NAACP released a statement saying quote, "The NAACP
is not concerned with racial identity of our leadership but the
institutional integrity of our advocacy. Our focus must be on issues, not

Joining me now is Jonathan Capehart of "The Washington Post." He`s been
writing about this story extensively over the past week. Jonathan, thank
you for being here.


SHARPTON: What do you make of her statement announcing her resignation?

CAPEHART: Well, I think she really had no choice. I mean, to go back to
the NAACP`s own statement saying that, you know, race doesn`t have anything
to do with the leadership of the organization, and that is right and that
is fair, but where Rachel Dolezal --

SHARPTON: But she always had white leadership --

CAPEHART: Well, exactly.

SHARPTON: -- in all of our civil rights organizations. I mean, that is
nothing unheard of or new about that.

CAPEHART: Right. Right. Exactly. But what is sort of unheard of, at
least in modern time is having someone be in the leadership of an
organization who is also lying about their own background and that is the


CAPEHART: And that is the problem, it`s not the fact that Rachel Dolezal
is white, it`s the fact that she made up sort of black heritage, that she
sort of through lots of interviews inferring that she is African-American.

SHARPTON: Well, let me read to you, you said, quote, "Had she simply
identified as African-American and not denied her white parents and lineage
or fabricated her story to seem more authentically black, there would have
been no controversy, rather than be down with the cause as a white woman,
she put on a bizarre minstrel show." I mean, that`s heavy language there,
minstrel show.

CAPEHART: Yes, I mean, think about it this way, Rev. She, you know, she
changed her hair, her skin complexion is a little darker. When you look at
other pictures of her and the various hair styles that she`s worn, her
clothing, everything. Even again, back to the interviews that she`s done,
you would, I mean, you would be right in thinking that this is an African-
American woman who is strongly identifies also with being a strong black
woman, but the problem is as we found out from her parents but also from
that incredible interview that Jeff Humphry from KXLY in Spokane,
Washington did where he just asked her flat out, are you African-American
and she was stumped. That`s why she`s in, that`s why she`s in trouble.
She has, you know, weaved this tail of being an --


CAPEHART: African-American woman that`s gone through trials and
tribulations that weren`t true at all.

SHARPTON: Well, but see, I think it`s very, very important what you raise
in your column and with the NAACP has said and many of us in the civil
rights community said, I got nothing but calls on all three hours of my
radio show today, the issue is not her race, it`s her transparency.


SHARPTON: There is nothing new or wrong with whites being in the civil
rights leadership, Latinos, Blacks, whatever. It is why were you not
transparent about it? In fact, by not being transparent, you`re suggesting
something is wrong.

CAPEHART: Uh-huh. And you know, as I wrote, a white person strongly
identifying with African-Americans and African-American culture is fine.
The more the merrier, the more allies we can have in all of our issues and
struggles, the better. A white person who rises to the leadership of an
African-American organization or two run a local chapter of the NAACP,
that`s fine too because as you said throughout civil rights history, there
have been white people in the leadership and in the membership of civil
rights organizations. But a white person pretending to be black and
running a black organization, that is a big problem and that`s why Rachel
Dolezal has gone from being the president of the local chapter to having to
step down today.

SHARPTON: All right. Thank you, Jonathan Capehart. Thank you for your
time tonight.

CAPEHART: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: And tomorrow Rachel Dolezal will break her silence in an
exclusive interview with "MELISA HARRIS-PERRY" right here on MSNBC. Tune
in all day tomorrow for the cable news exclusive. And of course, we`ll
have it, as well, here on POLITICS NATION.

We`ll be right back with a look at the Clinton Obama relationship. Let`s
just say it`s complicated.

But first, look out GOP, here comes Donald Trump, ut-oh.


SHARPTON: Is it really happening? Donald Trump is making a big
announcement tomorrow. We don`t exactly know what he`ll say but he posted
this Instagram video today.


DONALD TRUMP, ENTREPRENEUR: Tomorrow at 11:00 a.m., let`s make America
great again. We`ll going to have a fantastic time. Stay tuned on all
social media, we`ll going to be all over the place. Everybody wants to
watch. Make America great again.


SHARPTON: But, could this be another fake out? Today the "Washington
Post" reports he will declare his net worth at $9 billion in assets as part
of his likely entry into the race for the republican presidential
nomination. This seems different. Good luck, GOP.




Obama`s third term or my husband`s third term. I`m running for my first


SHARPTON: Hillary Clinton trying to separate herself from the last two
democratic presidents. On Sunday she put some distance between herself and
President Obama on trade.


CLINTON: The President should listen to and work with his allies in
Congress starting with Nancy Pelosi who have expressed their concerns about
the impact that a weak agreement would have on our workers.


SHARPTON: It`s the latest twist in a relationship that seen its share of
ups and downs.


CLINTON: Senator Obama`s remarks are elitist and they are out of touch. I
don`t think I`m that bad.

PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: You`re likable enough.

CLINTON: Thank you so much.


CLINTON: We need to help elect Barack Obama, our president.

OBAMA: I am proud that she will be our next secretary of state.

CLINTON: Despite our hard-fought primary, we had such agreement on what
needed to be done for our country.

OBAMA: Made for tough debates by the way --

CLINTON: It did.

OBAMA: We could never figure out what we differed on.

CLINTON: Yes. We worked at that pretty hard.


SHARPTON: Now Mrs. Clinton needs President Obama`s support to win the
White House and he needs her to help cement his legacy. At Clinton`s rally
on Saturday, we heard a lot of progressive rhetoric, but we did not hear
anything about the two of his top priorities. Policing and criminal
justice reform. Now Mrs. Clinton did make a major policy speech a few
weeks ago dealing with the criminal justice system, but it was not in her
launch. She must include everything and everybody if she`s going to have a
coalition that represents what is winnable.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.


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