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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: June 17, 2015
Guest: Mark Pocan, Raul Grijalva, in Larry Cohen, Harold Cook, Mercedes
Schlapp, Joe Cirincione, Wendell Potter, Dan Holler


ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from New York.

Let`s get to work.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Tonight, Fast-Track to nowhere.

REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH) HOUSE SPEAKER: We`re looking for a way forward
and when we find one, we will let you know.

REP. NANCY PELOSI, (D) CALIFORNIA: I`ve not been a big supporter of Fast-
Track.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I-VT) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Obviously there was a
malfunction over in the House on Friday.

SCHULTZ: Plus, trumping Bush.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENCIAL CANDIDATE 2016: I`m not a big fan of Jeb Bush.
The last thing we need is another Bush, OK. Believe me.

He`s weak on immigration. He`s in favor of common core. How the hell can
you vote this guy? He just can`t do it.

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: Donald Trump took you on in a speech today
about common core and immigration. I want to ask you. You look sorry.

FRM. REP. JEB BUSH (R) FLORIDA: I shouldn`t have done that.

SCHULTZ: And the Bernie bump.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New poll chosen doing very well within 10 points of
Clinton.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We love you Bernie.

SANDERS: And I appreciate that. And I love you too.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.

At this hour the House rules committee is meeting to pave the way for Fast-
Track. Paul Ryan is planning to attach Fast-Track to a bill with fire
fighters pension on the line. The bill does not have Trade Adjustment
Assistance included in the language. This means the President would get
trade promotional authority without assistance for displaces workers and it
puts President Obama in a new position, a tough spot. The President has
promise to veto any trade bill without TAA. If he really wants trade
promotional authority, he of course is going to have to leave workers out
in the cold. At least that`s how it stands right now unless they could fix
it in the Senate.

Now, the fact the President wants TAA is it admission. He`s trade deal
that seat on the table right now will outsource American jobs. So, how is
that good? The new plan would require a revote in the House on Fast-Track,
possibly tomorrow. The first time it past by only a couple of votes, then
it heads to the Senate where its feature is not clear. Now, if even a few
members of Congress flip, then of course the deals going to be off. The
President will have to rely heavily on Republican votes.

Later tonight President Obama will be holding a picnic for members of
Congress. And I`m sure the conversations going to be pretty intense. The
grills are all set. They`re all ready to go. And I`m sure the President
and members of Congress will have a couple coins (ph), kick back and eat a
hamburger. But, you know, what`s on the Presidents mind. You know, he`s
going to be focus on one thing and that is trade and that is Fast-Track, he
want`s that authority to do the TPP and the TAA.

All right, now he`s got a lot of work to do here at this point. He`s got
very little support. On Tuesday Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told CNBC her
thoughts on Fast-Track.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PELOSI: So I`ve not been a big supporter of Fast-Track. I don`t think
it`s even necessary. It`s a convenience for the administration. It`s an
advantage for the business community. But it`s a hardship for workers
because there just -- it just isn`t fair.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: The word is President Obama hasn`t spoken to Pelosi since she
sank this deal. This trade deal on Friday. It`s clear House Democrats
aren`t in President Obama`s corner on this. So, what do you do when you`re
in the situation like this? Well, I guess you have a picnic. You go to a
ball game last week mind as well have a picnic now, in the backyard.
Pelosi exactly right on this. And the Democrats see to hold their ground.
Fast-Track is great for corporations because they get to write the rules.

Meanwhile, it`s a huge disadvantage for American workers. They`re not
going to have voice in this fight, the way this is unfolding unless all and
I mean all of the Democrats hold their ground.

Get your cellphones out. I want to know that you think. Tonight`s
question, "Is Fast Track a good idea?

Go to polls.msnbc.com/ed to cast you vote. We`ll bring you the result
later in the show.

With these all unfolding at this hour, let`s get some reaction from
Congressman Mark Pocan of Wisconsin, also with us tonight Congressman Raul
Grijalva of Arizona, gentlemen great to have with us tonight.

Congressman Grijalva is the progressive caucus fighting back against the
President on this. From what you`re hearing right now, the House rules
committee is going to set it up where they can get a Fast-Track vote and it
seems like they`re throwing a bone to the firefighters on a pension bill.
What do you make of it?

REP. RAUL RIJALVA, (D) ARIZONA: You know, this is been the whole problem.
The problem with this been no real process, no regular order on this issue
and there`s been one attempt of manipulation after another and not dealing
with the real issue. The real issue they`re going to ask for a vote on
Fast-Track. And the opposition in a progressive caucus remains the same.
We`re opposed to Fast-Track. For all the reasons that have been listed
that you`ve listed over and over again, human rights, no protection for
works, no real protection for the environment and with the list goes on and
on.

The manipulation comes with the Trade assistance that you mentioned for
displace workers in which the President has to hold firm and Democrats have
to hold firm. They`re tied to each other. If you want to beat the Fast-
Track, you have to understand that the vote tomorrow important and also
important would be a trade adjustment hold.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Pocan, this is a new position by the President. I
mean, he`s basically telling Boehner and the Republicans "Hey, I know
you`ve obstructed me for the last six years, but my guys are just going to
have to trust me that I`m going to come back later on get trade adjustment
assistance". Is it this unbelievable leap of faith?

REP. MARK POCAN, (D) WISCONSIN: Well, there`s no way the President can
sign this without Trade Adjustment Assistance. You can`t take away
American jobs and hurt our wages and not provide the assistance for the
workers toward negatively.

SCHULTZ: But he`s saying now -- but the President is now apparently
putting in a position well, we`ll come back and get TAA later. You believe
that?

POCAN: Yeah, I think before he can sign TPA he has to have TAA. I know
right now some of the Democrats that supported him last week are at the
White House even before the picnic. They`re going to start eating burgers
and beers. But we have people who`re telling him they need a public
statement from him that they won`t go through unless both go through. And
we`re going to see if they stand to it. The only think he talk to us last
week about when he was here, is how important TAA was. There`s no way he
can credibly sign -- the Fast-Track authority without having the trade
assistant.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Grijalva, you`re reaction to that.

GRIJALVA: I totally agree. That the President is in the spot and I think
the center point, do we trust Boehner? Do we trust Ryan? Do we trust the
Senate leadership? No, this has to be upfront and has to be clear. And
that`s why Democrats have not only oppose Fast-Track, but oppose the
manipulation have been callous way using Medicare, using dialysis,
repayments as a source to -- the trade adjustment. That`s why we`ve been
opposed, it`s been manipulation, it`s been a shadow game and the President
shouldn`t part of it.

SCHULTZ: So Congressman Grijalva where are the Democrats going to be on
this standalone trade promotional authority vote then. If there`s nothing
else there would this change the outcome of the vote that took place last
Friday.

GRIJALVA: I hope it does in this -- Mr. Pocan said the other people are
now considering they`re doing a standalone bill, no trade adjustment which
is one of the reasons they supported any legislation. No real verification
as to when that trade adjustment will be and how will be paid for. And so,
I hope that people don`t allow the Fast-Track to go on until there is a
full disclosure, some regular order and the American people have a little
bit of say in what is up to this point been a very, very convoluted and
secret process.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Pocan, the President of United States is asking those
28 Democrats to trust him, to hold the line, give him trade promotional
authority and we`ll come back and get something later on from a bunch of
guys who done nothing but obstruct me for six years. Are they going to buy
that?

POCAN: Well, you know, I think there is people in the Senate who aren`t
going to buy that. There Senate Democrats I`ve heard at least two.
Senator Cantwell and Senator Kaine who said they don`t support TPA without
TAA attach. So, the President got a lot of pieces still to put in place.
The Senate in Democrats aren`t going to allow this go through. So the
President is going to have to make sure that Trade Adjustment Assistance
happens, if he`s going to pull this kind of a game around the Fast-Track
authority. Bottom-line is you can`t cause the American workers jobs and
now have any assistance to try to make up for.

SCHULTZ: Is it this going to be a kind of picnic where you got to make
sure this hamburger well done Congressman Grijalva?

GRIJALVA: Very well done and also, you know, and also with the dressing
being public opinion and the dressing is very much against this Fast-Track
and the American people are very much concern that they`re not part of it
and their elective representative are not part of it.

SCHULTZ: Is this picnic all about this situation on trade tonight?

POCAN: Well, I think the timing is pretty convenient, you know, I think
they`re waiting to figure out, you know, they want to have till July 30th
to do this. But, having every cabinet secretary having (inaudible) from
the White House, having the President there and if you want water or beer
you`re going to talk to one of them. I think they`re going to have to a
lot of ears tonight and that`s what we`re going to watch for tomorrow`s
vote.

SCHULTZ: All right, Congressman Pocan and Congressman Grijalva, great to
have both of you with us tonight. Keep up the fight.

For more let me bring in Larry Cohen former President Communication Workers
of American, who is leading the labor fight and coalition to fight Fast-
Track. While there`s new development Larry, your thoughts on what`s
unfolding at this hour. Obviously the rules committee is doing what they
have to do to set this thing up, to get the vote that they want. But this
is a new position by the President, a new tactic and of course it`s going
to get back over to the Senate. Unpack it for us.

LARRY COHEN, FMR CWA PRESIDENT: Yeah. Well, first of all at that picnic
tonight the American people are going to get grilled and skewer. There`s
no question about that. Secondly, this is secrecy on top of secrecy. At
this minute as we sit here, no one actually knows which way rules committee
is going to go. Yet, whatever they do, it`s going to bring it tomorrow
morning. And this is not what Democracy looks like. The whole Fast-Track
thing is not what Democracy looks like. The American people should be
demanding a no vote on Fast-Track.

However, they package it. And as you said we only need a flip not of a
hamburger tonight but a four members of Congress to the right side to the
people side and Fast-Track will go down. That`s whole what have taken last
week and lastly as we just heard. This goes to the Senate and we will be
in full-court press, the environmentalist, labor, faith base groups, the
whole coalition of million in the Senate to say "Wait a minute in the
Senate you package this one way. You said it was necessary, now you`re
going to take it like this. How`s flip-flopping here?"

SCHULTZ: Has this unfolded to be a real political struggle between the
President and the Minority Leader in the House Nancy Pelosi.

COHEN: I think it`s a struggle sadly between the President and he`s own
party and he won`t stop. 85 percent of House Democrats voted no. No one
on both questions last week and he persist, he supposed to be party leader,
he controls the Democratic national community, there`s an election coming.
And I might add, where is Secretary Clinton? She should at least be saying
"No" on Fast-Track. Put TPP aside as Pelosi said. We can take on TPP
maybe make it into something. Fast-Track should be dead. Every Democrat
should be against it. 54 Republicans remain against it in the House and we
need them to.

SCHULTZ: All right, this just into us. This is a new joint statement by
Speaker Boehner and also the Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on
trade and here it is.

We`re committed to ensuring both TPA and TAA get votes in the House and the
Senate and are sent to the President for signature. And it is our intent
to have a conference on the customs bill and complete that in a timely
manner so that the President can sign it into law.

Mr. Cohen you`re reaction.

COHEN: Yeah, they`re making this as complicated as possible. So the
customs bill the House. They added on nothing in any trade deal can
acknowledge climate change. So that has to go to conference because the
Senate didn`t have that in there. They also added on all kind of details
on immigration, preventing immigration or labor mobility from being part of
any trade deal. Any trade deal not just TPP. So that`s the customs
conference committee. Then what they`re saying is, somewhere they`ll be
another vote on TAA, they`re not saying where secrecy once again and
they`re saying that somehow the House will approve some version of Trade
Adjustment Assistance. This is outrageous, American people need to rise up
and say stop this tomorrow. Vote no on Fast-Track.

SCHULTZ: All right. Do you think the President will sign a bill without
TAA? I mean, they`re obviously trying to get him something but that might
be feasible.

COHEN: It might not feasible and hopefully he will not sign. It wouldn`t
be one bill now. That`s now guaranteed. But hopefully he would say
"Unless I have a series of bills that include trade adjustment assistance,
I won`t sign any bill for Fast-Track". He hasn`t said that yet. I would
hope he would say that. But at this point I think he`s so far down the
road, he won`t change.

SCHULTZ: So is this picnic an opportunity for the Democrats to tell the
President instead of the lobbying the President, but to tell the President
he is totally wrong on this.

COHEN: Absolutely is, I think leader Pelosi will be doing this as well as
the progressive caucus. But I think all of us the American people need to
rise up and say whether you`re Republican or Democrat. You represent us in
the House, we expect you to vote no. This is a charade. This is not what
democracy looks like.

SCHULTZ: Larry Cohen with us tonight here on the Ed Show. Appreciate your
time so much. We`ll continue to follow the story.

Remember to answer tonight`s question at polls.msnbc.com/ed. We`ll have
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Coming up, the Republican rivalry begins. We`ll see where Donald Trump and
Jeb Bush Stand on the issues.

And later, Republican rooting for Obamacare`s repeal have no perception for
the future. We`ll look at what it means for American coming up at the
Supreme Court. Does what I think is the wrong thing.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: Numbers coming in and their pretty strong. Here`s where we stand
on tonight`s Bing Pulse Poll. Tonight`s question, "Is Fast-Track a good
idea?" Keep on voting throughout the show. The yeses need some help
they`re at 15 percent. No vote at 84, now at 16, 84. You can vote
throughout the hour at polls.msnbc.com/ed.

We`re coming right back. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Is it fair to say Jeb Bush has been
waiting his entire life to run for President? On Monday Bush announce his
candidacy on Tuesday. Here comes Donald Trump, stamping all over it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: I watch Jeb Bush yesterday. He can`t even put on a tie and jacket.
He`s running for President.

You look at Bush he took him five days to answer the question on Iraq. He
couldn`t answer the question. He didn`t know. I said, "Is he
intelligent?"

Jeb Bush is very weak on immigration, he`s weak on immigration.

I`m not a big fan of Jeb Bush. The last thing we need is another bush, OK.
Believe me. The last thing we need is another Bush.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Well, Jeb Bush is fighting to get the spotlight back. Today he
is visiting Iowa votes. Trump says it`s useless an interview with MSNBC,
Donald Trump says "Bush doesn`t have what it takes".

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: I think that Bush is a nice man. I call him -- his a man that
doesn`t want to be doing what he`s doing. You know, I call him the
reluctant warrior. And warriors probably not a good word, but I think Bush
is unhappy person. I don`t think he has any energy and I don`t see how he
can win.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Not a happy person. Got some inside information there Mr. Trump?
Sean Hannity offered a platform for Jeb Bush for fire back. He was a
reluctant to do his best.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Short segment, lightning round. I just want you to give one-word
answers Donald Trump.

BUSH: Rich guy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Jeb isn`t interested in throwing around fighting words at this
point. It seems like voters are asking if he`s ready to fight for the
presidency.

Joining me tonight Harold Cook Political Analyst and also with us Mercedes
Schlapp former spokesperson for President George W. Bush, great to have
both of you with us.

All right, the mud sling and I mean, we`re earlier into this. We`re not --
it`s not even 24 hours and it get after it. What if -- Mercedes, what do
you make of the Donald Trump focusing on Bush. Is he the guy to be?

MERCEDES SCHLAPP, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, let me just say let the
party begin. I mean, Donald Trump came out swinging hard. But, you know,
Donald Trump is incredibly smart. He knows that Bush -- one of the top
contenders. He needs to knock him down if he`s able to even gain any
traction in any of these states. And so, he`s made his decision that
rather than focus on sort of campaign solution or the vision for American
necessarily. He`s picking in all these other contenders and hoping to take
them down one by one starting with Jeb.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Cook, is Trump right when he calls Bush a reluctant warrior?
That is a very interesting term at a description. It`s not a -- I mean,
it`s not a derogatory depiction of him. It is an opinion of guy. You
know, I don`t think this guy really wants to be president. This is a very
interesting tactic, isn`t it?

HAROLD COOK, POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, yeah. I think a lot of what he said
about Bush was derogatory but that`s not and it`s interesting. I think
what Trump was doing is trying to knock Bush off of the pedestal. You
know, if you perceive front-runner in the top tier, the last thing you want
to do is getting a big argument with somebody who just got in a race who
may or may not catch on. So, I think, Trump was probably, in a wisely
honor of his wisdom or his people but, wisely trying to push Jeb Bush into
a fight and does elevate Trump and it didn`t work. I think Bush was wise
to soft pedal he didn`t response.

SCHULTZ: OK. So, is that going to be the strategy, Mercedes? I mean, is
this the best way? Because when Trump gets on a role going after somebody.
He normally didn`t back off.

SCHLAPP: well, no.

SCHULTZ: And is the strategy from Jeb Bush not -- don`t take Trump too
seriously? Is that -- what do you think?

SCHLAPP: I think that is the right approach for Governor Jeb Bush. I
think, he saw on his speech on Monday, he was very strong, gave a very
positive vision of America. He is -- you know, really touched from the
heart. I mean, you could totally see that "Fire in the belly" that a lot
of Republicans have been questioning. And so, he is basically going to
just ignore him and continue on his track. He is obviously a very strong
campaign team, has raised a lot of money and so, I think, for Donald Trump,
he`s got to do whatever he can to get the attention that he needs.

And part of that is going to be as Harold also mentioned, knocking up the
top contenders and make in these comments. I mean, he called Senator Rubio
weak. You`re going to see he`s got to go after them one by one but,
obviously, Jeb Bush is his primary target right now.

SCHULTZ: OK. And Mercedes, what about the strategy, "We don`t need
another Bush"? As a conservative Republican, how does that play with you?
I mean that, clearly, he`s trying to plant the seed.

SCHLAPP: Right. And I think, a lot of, you know, I think, you`re going to
see that coming from other contenders as well. You know, unfortunately,
that`s so unfortunate for Governor Jeb Bush because as you can tell, he
spend several months just trying to answer and respond to what -- his
brother did, what his father did.

And, really, Jeb is his own guy. I mean those of us who know Jeb, who`ve
worked with Jeb, realized that he really wants to be part of this race. He
wants to run to win. He wants to come across with solutions and, quite
frankly, Ed, he`s got to a good conservative record in Florida. The
question will be, "Will conservative voters give him a second chance?"

SCHULTZ: Well.

SCHLAPP: Look at him and say, you know, what, let`s see if Jeb can come
across being this conservative governor like he was.

SCHULTZ: But don`t you think this is a chance that -- for Jeb Bush to be
presidential.

SCHLAPP: Absolutely.

SCHULTZ: To go above the tree line on all these comments? Don`t pay a lot
of attention to Trump.

SCHLAPP: Right. I think, Ed, I think that...

SCHULTZ: Should, you know, hey, look, there`s always going to...

SCHLAPP: Sure.

SCHULTZ: ... be someday threat Trump as he -- as shatter out there. Mr.
Cook, what do you think about that?

COOK: Well, I think, Donald Trump has a huge problem. I mean that he`s
entering to the race was the answer to a lot of people`s prayers.
Unfortunately, for Trump, those people were mostly comedy writers and
Democrats for the guys.

SCHULTZ: But, Carly Fiorina says we shouldn`t underestimate Trump and
other candidates are worried about it.

COOK: Well, the problem for that line of thinking is that Trump is really
good in undermining himself which I would assume is what Jeb Bush is
counting on. Trump is really good in insulting other people. He`s done it
for years. He`s not very good at -- like, Ed -- articulating ideas that
are forward thinking. And, I think, Jeb Bush and other contenders are
probably betting at least in the early rounds that Trump is mostly going to
provide father for the late night comedy shows and maybe not much.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

COOK: And if that turns out not to be true they can dealing with it later,
but I think that`s actually a pretty smart bet on your part.

SCHULTZ: And Mercedes, finally, how does the Republican Party in anyway
shape he perform embrace what Donald Trump said about Mexico and Mexicans
and depiction of people coming across the border that want to be in this
country?

SCHLAPP: I think that the Republicans going to move a bit away from that -
- from his comments on that. I think, obviously, immigration has been a
difficult issue for the Republican Party. It`s divided the party in a lot
of ways. But when you look at the vast majority of Republicans, they
support immigration reform. They want to -- figure out of way where
there`s a pathway to legalization for those that have come here and are
undocumented.

SCHULTZ: Yeah, but that only where the amnesty comes up and the
Republicans always use.

SCHLAPP: Yeah. It does and it divides the party and that`s a big issue
but I think Donald takes it a bit too much, too extreme and I don`t know of
to what point is Donald is playing in proper ways (ph).

SCHULTZ: Well, he label of criminals.

SCHLAPP: That`s right.

SCHULTZ: I mean, he took a longer sound bite, but he basically said,
"Look, we got a bunch of damn criminals coming across the border and to
nobody doing, think about it." I mean that`s what his position and he says
"I`ll build a fence and I`ll make sure that we get -- to take care of it.
I mean that.

SCHLAPP: Right.

SCHULTZ: Is the Republican Party got to embrace that? We`ll see. Harold
Cook, Mercedes Schlapp, great to have you with us tonight. I appreciate
your time.

As the Supreme Court decides Obamacare`s faith, Republicans struggle to
come up with Plan B? They don`t even have Plan A. Rapid Response Panel
weights in. And John Kerry discusses Iran`s nuclear future. Are we going
to drop some sanctions before deals done?

Stay with us. We`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. In his first state department news
conference since breaking his leg last month, Secretary of State John Kerry
signaled that they United States could lift sanctions on Iran before
getting answers about past nuclear activities.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: We`re not fixated on Iran
specifically accounting for what they did at one point in time or another.
We know what they did. We have no doubt.

And what we`re concerned about is going forward. It`s critical to us to
know that going forward, those activities have been stopped, and that we
can account for that in a legitimate way.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: The interim nuclear deal which was struck and constructed back in
April said sanctions relief would depend on Iran answering questions about
its history of covert nuclear activities. However, Secretary of State John
Kerry seems confident we already have absolute knowledge of the activities
Iran engaged in and he`s prepared to move forward.

So, what does that mean? The critics are wondering if we can trust Iran to
obey a nuclear agreement if they won`t come clean about their past. So,
where are we at this point as the clock ticks?

Let`s bring in Joe Cirincione, President of the Ploughshares Fund. Joe,
good to have you with us tonight.

JOE CIRINCIONE, PLOUGHSHARES FUND: My pleasure Ed.

SCHULTZ: All right. Is this allied (ph) branch? Or is this -- what is
this? Is it John Kerry saying, you know, we want to -- we relieve the
sanctions before we get a deal?

CIRINCIONE: Yeah, you`re in the final stages of negotiation, the shooting
to wrap up the deal by the end of the month might slip a few days but
probably not much more than a week. This is going to be a deal that`s
going to slash Iran`s program, cut it centrifuges by three quarters cut it
supply of uranium gas by astonishing 98 percent. And then install a state
of the art 21st century inspection program, this is not base on trust, this
is base on verification and monitoring and that`s the point of their -- of
the secretary`s remarks.

We had these issues of past research than Iran did back in the 1990`s. We
suspect they did it on nuclear weapons research. The public evidence is
circumstantial but quite strong if they did this. Kerry said very
interestingly we know what they did.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

CIRINCIONE: How U.S. intelligence nails us down which is now established
in the mechanism where they can come clean.

SCHULTZ: But not to misinterpret what the secretary was saying, but it
sounded like he was saying, you know, they become kind of clean as of late
in, you know, we got to move forward in a new era here and so maybe we
should lift some sanctions before this thing which of course the
Republicans would go nuts over. What about it?

CIRINCIONE: Yeah. Well, he`s reacting to the critics he insist that we
have a complete Iranian confession it may have (inaudible). Cersei
Lannister confessed into the high sparrow in game of thrones. We`re not
going to get that and if that`s what the critics have say we have to have
before we do anything he says "Look, we know what they did and they know
that we know."

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

CIRINCIONE: This is about setting up a mechanism were we can get access to
the scientist access to the sites and stopping the program now. It`s much
more important to prevent them to can do anything over the next 20 years
than it is to answer all the final questions over what they might have done
20 years ago.

SCHULTZ: So is Congress going to be OK with letting Iran leave questions
unresolved or unanswered?

CIRINCIONE: This is going to be a big issue for Congress as long as
there`s a process laid out as long as they see in the final deal that there
is a process for answering this questions and that the answering of the
question is key to the sanctions relief. I think they`ll be OK with
letting some of the sanctions be lifted early and then the rest faced in as
we get Iranian compliance with this very historic agreement.

SCHULTZ: OK, on the Joe Cirincione meter here 0 to 100 give me percentage
we`re we add on the deal, June 30th is deadline.

CIRICNIONE: I think we are in the 90 percent range of this point, all
parties wanted. It`s just a question or hammering at the final details,
we`ve come so far. It`s not just us and the Iranians. It`s our closes
allies who are...

SCHULTZ: OK.

CIRINCIONE: ... pushing for this deal. I say June 30th is an unlikely but
July 8th, 9th that`s almost certain.

SCHULTZ: Joe Cirincione, always good to have you with us. Thanks so much.

CIRINCIONE: Thank you Ed.

SCHULTZ: Stick around Rapid Response Panel weighs in on the future of
Obamacare and later the TPP takes a toll on Hillary Clinton`s campaign.
We`ll look at what it means for her and her competition which is gaining in
the polls.

Stay with us, we`ll be right back.

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SCHULTZ: And we are back on the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight.
Republicans by the way do not have plan B if they accomplish their mission
to open (ph) Obamacare. The conservatives Supreme Court is poise to issue
a ruling on a lawsuit which claims the Affordable Care Act denies subsidies
to states that do not set up exchanges. Its Republicans Senator John
Barrasso`s job become up with a legislature response to the decision. But
he has nothing. He recently said that, you know, he wants to give the new
president time to come in and bring a new solution forward.

Well, that`s no plan for now. That`s kicking the can down the road pass
2016 that`s what that is. Democrats have blasted the courts decision. They
even take up the case at all. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid gave a
strong message to the Supreme Court.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. HARRY REID, (D) MINORITY LEADER: Language is very clear the Supreme
Court shouldn`t take it up this case they did the language is clear. I
hope the Supreme Court can read English. I`m sure they can.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: If the Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare it would cut
healthcare funding for up to 6.4 million Americans in up to 37 states. Now
Reuters report at some economist say billions of dollars will be lost going
to hospitals, drugstores and drug makers. But if your like most Americans
across the country your pretty much clueless about this case. In fact a
new Kaiser Family Foundation polls says that about 7 and 10 American says
they`ve heard very little or nothing about the Supreme Court case. Only 40
percent say they`ve heard something about it and just 13 percent say
they`ve heard a lot about it. It`s going to affect the lot of lives and
we`re talking billions of dollars if they reverse this.

Joining me tonight in our Rapid Response Panel, Wendell Potter, author of
Obamacare, "What`s in it for me?" And Dan Holler, Communication Director
for the Heritage Action for America, great to have both of you with us
tonight.

Mr Hollar, I don`t think it`s unfair to give plan B to the American people.
Let`s just say that the conservative mission is accomplished and we all
know that the conservative want to get rid of Obamacare that`s what they
talked about repealing in the house and Senate. And so, they`re going
around to the Supreme Court, then what? Let`s say you get a favorable
ruling in your ideology by the Supreme Court, what is plan B?

DAN HOLLER, HERITAGE ACTION FOR AMERICA: Well, what plan B should be is to
take a look at what has call somebody problems for tens of millions of
Americans over the past couple years. And what you have with Obamacare was
a whole serious of mandates and regulations that drove off the cost for
every single American, not just those that are getting subsidies but every
single American. And what the conservative plan should be with the
Republicans in Congress should do is say "This is problem and we`re going
to make sure especially in those states that are now affected, we`re going
to make sure that they can opted that all the mandates and regulations that
Obamacare contain and that is going to lead in driving cost down...

SCHULTZ: OK.

HOLLER: ... for everyone not just those with subsidies. But every single
user of healthcare.

SCHULTZ: Well, it is a fact that healthcare expenses have gone down since
Obamacare and this increases -- there in the Bush years and previous years
we`re double digit. They`re not double digit increase is now for most
Americans.

Mr. Potter, what happens in the Supreme Court reverses this? Where does
leave Obamacare?

WENDELL POTTER, SENIOR ANALYST CENTER FOR PUBLIC INTEGRITY: Well, it leads
the country in a big mess. About two-thirds of the people who would lose
their subsidies are in red states. So we would have a big, big problem and
you`re right. Most people don`t really know what to expect because they
are not paying as much attention as some people have.

But millions of people would lose their ability to get access to the care
that they need whether it`s going to the hospital, and getting
chemotherapy, or just going to doctor for regular check ups. That will go
away for millions of people and I really think that you would see --
probably it`s not have a plan B out of the Congress. I think you probably
see the governors and even the red states being a B line to Washington to
try to figure out how to fix this.

SCHULTZ: Businesses that have benefited from spending by the newly ensured
would take a hit especially the hospitals. That`s what Reuters is
reporting and I quote, "A Kaiser Family Foundation economist puts the 2015
figure at about $15 billion, based on the proportion of insurance premiums
that are earmarked solely for medical costs under the healthcare law."

Mr. Potter, your reaction?

POTTER: That`s exactly right. Not only with hospitals, take a big hit if
this law is up indeed but insurance companies would have a huge, huge
problem. They`ve been profiting a great deal because they`ve been getting
a lot of new revenue obviously from this law. But this would also create a
problem not just for those who have been buying coverage through the
exchanges. It would create a big problem for everybody who has individual
insurance in those states because it would create a deferral (ph) in those
states.

SCHULTZ: Yeah

POTTER: I know this from having work at the industry.

SCHULTZ: Dan, it seems that the proponents of Obamacare to keep the law
they way it is. One of the briefs that they filed with the Supreme Court
may be a financial case and how it would unravel the lives of a lot of
Americans? Are they going to take that onto consideration in your opinion
or are they going to go strictly by the law and say, "Well, the Obamacare`s
in territory where it shouldn`t be. How do you think that`s going to come
down?

HOLLER: Well, I would certainly hope that the Supreme Court go strictly by
the law. I would love the Senate`s President go by the law. The fact is
that the law is very clear.

Jonathan Gruber (ph) acknowledged the whole reason the law was written the
way that it was who was the cohort states in the setting up their
exchanges. If they didn`t set up the exchanges, they didn`t get the
subsidies. That is as clear as possibly could be.

So the idea that there would be any other factor that influences a Supreme
Court`s decision aside from the text to law is really concerning not only
on this issue but for our entire nation.

SCHULTZ: What about that Mr. Potter.

POTTER: Oh, it`s none sense. I`ve seen a lot of time in Washington during
the time that this bill was being debated, there was never ever any
understanding that this would apply only to the states and establish their
own exchanges and I also talk to people in HHS in the White House. Never
ever was this ever considered to the way the law would be written or
interpreted.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Holler, how does this impact 2016?

HOLLER: Well, I mean, right now, what we`re going to see is some sort of
Supreme Court decision that`s kind of poll vote (ph) Obamacare back into
the narrative amongst the American people and any time, there is an
election based on Obamacare, the Republicans do credibly well. 2010 and
2014, the reason it didn`t work in 2012 is because Mitt Romney was the
presidential nominee. So if Obamacare is an issue heading into 2016,
that`s going to vote really, well for whoever the Republican nominee is.

SCHULTZ: And Mr. Potter, has healthcare insurance gone up for every
America as Mr. Holler just said?

POTTER: No, not at all. In fact, health insurance is affordable for a lot
of people in this country. Many people who couldn`t afford at all before.
In fact, it is now available for the first time for millions of Americans
who couldn`t but it at any price because of pre-existing conditions. We
forget many of these things that a lot of people before this law was passed
could not buy coverage because they`ve been sick in the past or insurance
companies had dropped them coverage because they got sick.

SCHULTZ: Wendell Potter, Dan Holler, great to have both of you with us
tonight. I appreciate your time.

HOLLER: Thank you Ed.

SCHULTZ: Story to follow, no doubt.

Still to come, "The Bernie bump" is what they are calling it. We`ll look
it out a trade issue is boosting to senator`s standings in the polls. And
it`s get positive response on it. We`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: And you can keep on voting. The numbers are coming in. Here are
the results of tonight`s Bing Pulse Poll. Tonight`s question, "Is Fast-
Track a good idea?" I`ll tell you what going to be interesting technique
at the White House tonight.

The Nos are out and full force 89 percent. Keep voting till the end to the
hour at polls.msnbc.com/ed.

We`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: And at tonight`s Two-Minute Drill, Golden guys, the Golden State
Warriors ended the 40-year Championship drought Tuesday night with a 105-97
win Game 6 in Cleveland. Andre Iguodala was the MVP, the series because of
what he did. He brought the Warriors back from to win three straight
games.

Steve Kerr is the first rookie coach won a championship since Pat Riley did
it with the Lakers back in 1982.

Golden States win means Cleveland fans. They are going to have to wait a
little longer to celebrate a championship.

No professional team from Cleveland has won a title since 1964. So WWE
Superstar Seth Rollins took advantage of it.

He doesn`t have high hopes for the Browns in the NFL this year. The heavy
weight champ took a shot at Johnny football during a stop in Cleveland
Monday night.

SETH ROLLINS, WWE WRESTLER: Take a good look Cleveland. Take a good look,
because this is what a World Championship looks like. Johnny "Idiot-Face"
over there has never going to bring you a title, so soak it up. This piece
of crap town, and I am taking this title with me.

Do you understand that?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Oh, what a smack down. But is it going to be a motivation for
Johnny Manziel in the Browns, to have a great many camps starting next week
and maybe a great season.

Stick around, lots more coming up in the Ed Show. We`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Hillary Clinton should take notice
because Senator Bernie Sanders is on a roll. New polling out of New
Hampshire is looking good for Sanders. A poll from Suffolk University
shows Hillary Clinton at 41 percent, Bernie Sanders has moved up to 31
percent, 15 percent of New Hampshire Democrats are still undecided.

If Hillary Clinton`s campaign isn`t worried about those numbers, well, they
should be, Sanders within 10 points of Clinton, with 15 percent still
undecided in a whole lot of time left. Hillary Clinton`s refusal to take
the position of trade may be hurting her in the polls. Senator Sanders
hasn`t been shy about calling Clinton out on trade.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SANDERS: I think it`s obvious, you`re for it, or you`re against it. I,
very strongly, am opposed to Fast Track and the TPP. What is Secretary
Clinton`s position? I don`t know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Americans seem to be on step with Sanders on trade. A new online
survey from NBC News shows 66 percent of Americans would rather protect
American jobs than have access to cheap foreign goods. 71 percent of
Republicans, 66 percent of Democrats and 60 percent of college grads agree.
Americans want answers from Clinton on trade. She has said a lot but it
just hasn`t seen to definitive.

Now, the Democratic frontrunner, I think, should be able to step forward
and not side step such an important issue especially after today`s
development and where this is all going. For more let me bring in Harold
Cook Political Analyst and also Mercedes Schlapp, Republican`s spokesperson
for former President George W. Bush, great to have both of you with us.
Thanks for staying tonight.

I don`t mean to overstate this Harold but it`s seems like the issue of
trade has given Bernie Sanders a platform to deliver straight talk to get
some attention, what do you make to that?

COOK: I agree with that but if weren`t trade it be something else and
here`s why I said from the start that if Secretary Clinton treated this
nominating process like a coronation she did up in trouble, but it`s just
it`s a fact of life it`s just a natural status somehow that absolutely
secure of candidate say very little and a post candidates get more specific
and threaten candidates very specifically move towards their base. So I
think Bernie Sanders being in this race and being treated seriously by
voters in the early states even if you`re a Clinton partisan. I think it`s
very, very good for the process and encourages her to show some of that
fire in her belly, encourage her to get much more specific on issue that
are important to Democrats who`re going to be voting in this primary
process.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

COOK: And that`s I think a very good thing and in it`s she`s the nominee
and I think she probably eventually will be. I think it better prepares
her for the November election when it counts.

SCHULTZ: So you`re willing to say that she`s probably going to be the
nominee. I mean were a long way away and this, this move by Bernie Sanders
is just more than interesting, Mercedes why is Sanders movement forward?

SCHLAPP: Well, I think for Senator Bernie Sanders he has nothing to loose
and really he`s feeling that space that Elizabeth Warren space, so she
didn`t run, someone had to go in there and do it, and quite frankly he
delivers a very strong populism message that is resonating with a lot of
this grassroots Democratic voters. And where you have a senator --
Secretary Clinton on the other hand basically in a gray area not willing to
take a position on Fast-Track saying that TPP at one point was a goal
standard, but they`re not sure who wants to handle it.

All this gray area and the fact that they`re not necessarily these voters
are not necessarily trusting her in the honest factor. I mean she has a
lot of this questions that need to be answered and she only answered what,
seven questions last week that surely not enough for Secretary Hillary
Clinton to make her position strong.

SCHULTZ: Well, Bernie Sanders is all over the cables, Hillary Clinton
isn`t Harold what do you make of it?

COOK: Did well, it`s what I said before. I think she needs to start
feeling uncomfortable and while she may not like it, I think it`s good for
her candidacy, it sharpens her message. I think if they start feeling
threaten in the polls they`ll get out there more they`ll say more, they`ll
appeal to Democratic voters...

SCHULTZ: Well, yeah.

COOK: ... and that`s and only be good.

SCHULTZ: It just seems to me that if you want to be president you got to
be one of them.

SCHLAPP: That`s right.

SCHULTZ: And I think Bernie Sanders is coming across, hey, I`m one of you.

SCHLAPP: That`s right.

SCHULTZ: I mean.

COOK: That`s exactly right.

SCHLAPP: He`s trying to come across being, I`m there for the working
family, I`m not with the Wall Street ties or the wealthy like Secretary
Clinton is, and quite frankly Secretary Clinton is coming across way to
scripted. I mean, if she could only loosen up Ed, I think it really impact
her in negative way while you have Senator Sanders coming out and just
being a straight shooter and basically...

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

SCHLAPP: ... sharing his position.

SCHULTZ: Well, I would I would call all over this organizations that are
doing all this polling. To ask the same questions about the candidates,
I`m asking for a favor from everybody out there who does the polling. We
keep hearing about Hillary Clinton`s negative numbers, why don`t they ask
the public, what do you -- your negative thoughts or your favorability
rating on Bernie Sanders. When does he get that respect? I mean, he`s
going to be in Denver this weekend, they`re expecting 5,000 people.

SCHLAPP: Right.

SCHULTZ: He`s got to over a thousand people sign up coming to see him in
Las Vegas. I mean, you know, when is the word respect entered into the
arena Harold, quickly?

COOK: Well, look, Bernie Sanders is got something to prove and I think
he`s proving it. But I think Clinton`s campaign is got to recognize that
and act accordingly and when she decides this is not a coronation it`s a
real race. I think she`ll respond appropriately.

SCHULTZ: All right, Harold Cook, Mercedes Schlapp, great to have both of
you with us tonight, thanks so much.

SCHLAPP: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: That`s the Ed show, I`m Ed Schultz.

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