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Date: June 17, 2015
Guest: Jimmy Williams, Jason Johnson, Joe Madison, Matthew Fogg; Jonathan
Capehart; Heather McGhe

REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Tonight on "Politics Nation," Donald trump
is already a headache for the GOP. What`s he saying today about the rapist
comment? And what the party is not saying.

Where are the killers? The search is expanding and investigators are
asking the public for help. We`re live at the prison.

And a historic ceremony. President Obama formally welcomes new Attorney
General Loretta Lynch today. We look at her vision on the fight for
justice going forward.

Welcome to "Politics Nation." We start tonight with competing visions for
America. Almost every one running for president is talking about fairness,
increasing opportunity, getting more people in the middle class. The big
difference, what do they plan to do about it?

Today Hillary Clinton said she wanted to build on President Obama`s work.


her part, then America gets ahead. That`s what I was raised to believe.

You see corporations making record profits. You see CEOs making record
pay, but your paychecks have barely budged. We`ve got to make it our
national commitment that we`re going to do everything we can to create good
jobs, that will help people get into and as you point out, stay in the
middle class.


SHARPTON: Good jobs, equal pay, all kinds of specifics there. And I say
it because I`ve been one to raise questions to all the candidates,
including Mrs. Clinton about how do we get there, what are the steps. Even
the IMF, the IMF, had a study done on income inequality, and the IMF study
says inequality is hurting growth, and calls for wealth redistribution.

Defining challenge of our time. This is the IMF saying this. It is clear
that this is not some left-wing talking point. This is the reality now.
We`ve been able to get the world to understand that and particularly it is
the center of the national discussion. Hillary Clinton`s policy is to
fight inequality is this.

She says, tax credit for hiring apprentices. Higher minimum wage. Paid
sick leave. Free community college. Very specific things that many of us
have been saying a long time. But it`s great to see a major presidential
candidate, the presumptive democratic nominee say. This is what she say.
Well, Jeb Bush, what do you say on fairness?


JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Your stuck in poverty or you`re
stuck in a sense that you know your children are not going to have as much
opportunity as you have, it`s in your heart, you feel this, then you can`t
dream big dreams, you`re not going to be able to live the kind of life that
we want everybody to live. So the challenge isn`t so much a political one.
It`s to be on the side of people that want a better life. And we have
proven, the one thing that Barack Obama and I would say Hillary Clinton and
their philosophy, the people of their ilk, have proven is that the
progressive agenda run amuck has failed.


SHARPTON: It`s clear there`s no specific agenda coming from Jeb Bush, and
he implicitly says people are stuck based on some parenting or based on
some other element, never really saying the structural inequality is part
of, if not the major part, of the problem of how we`ve gotten where we are.
We cannot solve a problem with a bad diagnosis. You must deal with
structural inequality.

There are many families that are stuck, that are wholesome families, that
do what is considered the appropriate thing to do. They`re still stuck,
because if we have a system, a tax code, and other forms of economic
manipulation, that will stick you, no matter what the rest of your makeup,
in terms of family is.

Let me bring on our guests, Jonathan Capehart and Heather McGee, thank you
very much for being here.



SHARPTON: What is your view, Heather, of both what Mrs. Clinton and what
all of the Republicans are saying, specifically the rhetoric of fairness,
the rhetoric of inequality is finally there, but the specifics. Now we`re
getting down to the steps they would take to close the gaps.

MCGHEE: Right. I think it`s important to remember that the middle class
didn`t just create itself in America. It was the result of massive public
investments to make college affordable, massive infrastructure investments,
the home mortgage deduction, all of that. And now, there`s an opportunity
right now to address inequality by reinventing that same kind of
investment, but for the 21st century and fundamentally looking at equity
right? The home mortgage boom that was created in the 1950s and 1960s
excluded African Americans and Latinos. It`s time to reignite the engine
of prosperity in this country which is the middle class. So you got to
give more workers the right to form a union on the job.

When it comes down to it, the conservatives are really stuck right now.
They are stuck because they know they have to talk about inequality, but
their prescriptions for addressing it are more if what has actually created
this record in inequality, which is tax-cuts, cutting regulations, making
it easy for corporations to exploit their workers.

SHARPTON: Isn`t it a fact, Jonathan, that there`s an unequal discussion
about inequality, because they talk about government help and cutting
government help. Like the government didn`t help the wealthy get wealthy
and the middle class become middle class. These were structural decisions.

CAPEHART: Yes. And you have some people within the Republican party who
are talking about income inequality and coming at it from a
Republican/conservative point of view. I mean, Congressman Paul Ryan has
talked about it. I`m sure governor Jeb Bush will talk about it, but those
are the only two names that come to mind right now.

But, you know, think about one of the things that the Republicans all --

SHARPTON: The only two that come to mind. You don`t think Donald "$9
billion" Trump could talk about it.

CAPEHART: I mean, I guess he could talk about it, but he`s not talking
about it. Let`s talk about the one thing that they all talk about and that
is repealing the affordable care act, repealing, gutting, maybe replacing

One of the reasons why President Obama pushed so hard for the affordable
care act is because he said they got in there and they saw that the one
thing that was holding the economy back, the one thing that down the road
would certainly hold back American workers was health insecurity, the
inability of the American worker to get health insurance and therefore get
out of jobs that they don`t want to be in that were low-paying, but also
the rising cost health care that was weighing down the books of business.
Republicans are talking about doing away with that. That`s going to impact
income inequality.

SHARPTON: No, it`s a traumatic thing when you can`t even afford to get
sick or even think about a member of your family. Hillary Clinton also
really took aim at the GOP and the GOP Congress and what they are not doing
on fairness. Listen to this.


CLINTON: I see what`s happening in the Congress, and I think they`re just
missing what`s really important about the first five years of life.

Instead of putting early head start and food stamps at risk with reckless
budget cuts, the Republicans should join with us in investing in our kids
and our future.


SHARPTON: Investing in our kids. And I know DEMOS has done a lot of work
around this. Isn`t that really a non-brainer to most people, you would
think that would be beyond debate?

MCGHEE: Yes, and it is among voters, actually. Even Republican voters
want to invest in education think that, you know, people should have paid
family leave and paid sick days. But at the top, when you get folks on the
ticket, they`re really more (INAUDIBLE) and anti-child, right? They are
all about shaming single mothers, but not about actually recognizing that
across the globe in industrialized countries, people are co-parenting
without getting married, right? That`s just happening.

It`s only in America do we say, because of public policy decisions that
that should sort of make you go into poverty. Just because you have a
child. And you may be co-habiting with the parent the way majority of
black --

SHARPTON: But they`re actually talk about cutting head start, Jonathan,
cutting funds that would really help young people at very young, important
ages that senator, ambassador, presidential candidate Clinton referred to.

CAPEHART: Yes, because they don`t view it as important. They don`t view
it. They don`t see it as being one of the parts of the building blocks of
the country, of encouraging the middle class growing. the middle class and
sort of the future foundation for the country. I mean, these are folks who
are always constantly talking about worrying about future generations and
the country they`re going to leave their children and grandchildren. And
that only goes up to a certain point. It never includes head start. They
never includes those programs and policies that help keep those --

SHARPTON: Or early education.

CAPEHART: Early education, continuing education, it never includes those
policies that help families stay together and help them climb the rungs on
the ladder of opportunity, that allows people -- the American people, to be
as aspirational as they are.

SHARPTON: I want to get back to something you said, Heather. I think I
said ambassador. I meant secretary Clinton. She was not an ambassador.
But the American public you say wants this. When you look at recent polls,
it shows, 66 percent say wealth should be more evenly distributed, 57
percent say government should do more to address the wealth gap, 50 percent
favor limiting top executives` pay. The American public is there. The
candidates don`t reflect the populace.

MCGHEE: And that`s because there`s as much inequality in the democracy as
there is in the economy. Frankly, the people who are writing the rules,
who are deciding who gets to run for office, the people who both of these
people are spending all of their time with raising money, are folks where
those polling numbers about redistributing wealth are very different.

We`ve done a lot of research about this. And that`s why I think it`s
actually really important that secretary Clinton has said we need to reform
our campaign finance system so that we can have some of the policies to
create opportunity again.

SHARPTON: And I think, Jonathan, ultimately, whoever becomes the next
president should become the next president based on the policies they
advocate that reflect the desire of the American people clearly as polls
are indicating.

CAPEHART: Well, yes, they should. But, you know, we`re about to see a
tsunami of cash flood this presidential election in ways that we`ve never
seen before. Because of super PACs and the special interest groups.

SHARPTON: And the Supreme Court decision.

CAPEHART: Right. That have vested interest in what happens on capitol
hill that have nothing to do with what the American people want. Say for
instance, background checks for gun purchases, even after the slaughter of
those children in Newtown, Connecticut, you still couldn`t get background
checks passed. Because the NRA was so powerful, even though an
overwhelming majority of the American people favored it.

SHARPTON: I`m going to have to leave it there.

CAPEHART: That`s the situation that we have now.

SHARPTON: Very, very vital conversation, vital to where we`re going in
this country in this election. Jonathan Capehart, Heather McGhee, thank
you both for your time tonight.

MCGHEE: Thank you.

CAPEHART: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: Coming up, we`re following breaking news. Where are the escaped
killers? Tonight, the search is widening and officials are asking the
public for help.

Also, Donald Trump is in New Hampshire tonight, and he`s already making the
GOP squirm. His response to the rapist comment ahead.

And President Obama formally welcomes Attorney General Loretta Lynch,
praising her as tough but fair. What will she do on civil rights, voting,
policing, and criminal justice reform?


can have no greater partner in securing justice for all advocate for their
right to equality under the law, no greater partner in securing justice for
all, than our attorney general, Loretta Lynch.



SHARPTON: Where are those fugitive killers? Do police have any leads at
all? These new images show what the men could look like today. And now
there are new details about their alleged accomplice. We`ll go live to the
prison next.


SHARPTON: Where are they? The hunt for two cold-blooded murders is now
almost two weeks old, 800 officers have combed 16 square miles near the
prison in New York. We`re learning today officials have gotten over 1,400
tips, but tonight, the trail has gone cold.


evidence that they are outside the area. That being said, I cannot rule
that out. But we`re going under the -- what I think is the logical belief,
they can be anywhere. We`re concentrating our efforts not only in this
vicinity, but throughout the nation and beyond.


SHARPTON: They can be anywhere. Maybe even in a different country. Today
roadblocks and checkpoints in the area of the prison are coming down. And
the search for these two men is widening, with officials asking the public
for help. Officials putting out this picture, showing what the two
convicts may look like if they haven`t shaved in 12 days.

Investigators today also interviewing the husband of Joyce Mitchell, the
woman accused of helping the men escape. Tonight there are a lot of
questions, including the biggest. Where are the killers?

Joining me from outside the prison in New York is MSNBC`s Adam Reiss.

Adam, what are officials saying? What can you tell us about where the
killers might be?

ADAM REISS, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: Reverend, they wished they knew. I can
tell you that they`re expanding the perimeter beyond the 16 miles that they
had. They`re redirecting their resources. If you look behind me, this was
an area and a street that was heavily secure. There were many checkpoints,
but now they`re shifting their focus. They`re going to look at highways.
They`re going to look at the ferry that goes across lake sham plain. They
are going to look at trains that run through this area.

They have 1400 tips that they`re still going through. They have 600
searchers, but they still need that one solid lead that they don`t have
just yet - Reverend.

SHARPTON: What can you tell us about Joyce Mitchell`s husband who met with
investigators today?

REISS: He met with them for about two hours at the New York state police
barracks. His attorney says he`s shell shocked, he is not standing by his
wife, he is not supporting her. He believes she was behind the plot, the
alleged plot to kill him - Reverend.

SHARPTON: So he`s not standing by his wife, and he`s suggesting through
his attorney, she may have been involved in the plot to even kill him?

REISS: He doesn`t know about that. That is what has been suggested by
sources that have told NBC News. They`ve also told us he has no prior
knowledge of the escape.

SHARPTON: All right, we`re going to leave it there.

MSNBC`s Adam Reiss, thank you for your reporting tonight.

Right now, I want to bring in Matthew Fogg, retired chief deputy U.S.

Thank you for being here.

Matthew, the trail has gone cold. What are investigators doing right now
to find these men?

where you could really say there`s a failure to communicate here,
especially when it comes down to the woman who helped them to get out,
supplied the tools to get them out of there. And clearly, what the
investigators are doing right now, is they`re just trying to follow any
lead that comes in right now. You have the husband and the wife saying two
different things. We do know she supplied them the material to get out of

Right now, they`re just trying their best to see if they can pick up any
lead from anyone. But this is a situation that has clearly now has widened
out of control to the point that we`re now, like you said, they could be
anywhere. And they`re trapping phone lines. They`re doing all of the
things that we do when we track these people down.

SHARPTON: But how do they even get around without money or resources?

FOGG: Well, one of the things that I`ve said always from the beginning.
There`s two things I believe has happened here. I believe they`ve had help
from the outside. There`s no doubt in my mind about that. But what I
believe is they`re either somewhere in a clandestine, obscure location,
where they knew they would have to stay there with food and water for at
least 30 days or more, or they had a get-away vehicle waiting for them on
the outside. They got in that vehicle and they`ve gone across the border,
most likely to Canada. That`s what I would think where they might have

SHARPTON: Now, these photos they put out, saying what they would look like
if they hadn`t shaved in 12 days, how do the investigators do that?

FOGG: Well, they have a composite and they draw and they are kind get an
idea of what they think might look like. But I think they probably have
wigs. I mean, the fugitive that I tracked down especially one particular
fugitive that ran out of woods that escape actually out of that minimum
prison right here in the Clinton area, when that guy, when we finally
caught him, when he escaped out or he escaped out of first Clinton and then
he went out at MCI, but he had wigs and all that type of stuff. So I would
think these guys are totally trying to change their appearance, if they are
somewhere mixing in with the public.

SHARPTON: Now, you don`t rule out that they could still be possibly
hunkered down in some obscure place near the prison?

FOGG: No, I don`t rule that out. Absolutely not. I mean, if they`re
somewhere where they don`t have to leave, they could just stay right there,
clearly they`ve had this place has been checked out. They`ve been told,
when you get to this location, you hunker down, you don`t do anything. You
stay right there until we tell you to move. And if it means 30 or 40 days,
you got food, you got water. You got everything you need. And it could be
somebody actually may be going in and out of the place because, I don`t
know if the police can look in every single home and every single location.
So it`s a lot of different ways they could be somewhere hunkered down. But
that is one option. If they didn`t take that option, they`re clearly out
of the area.

SHARPTON: Matthew Fogg, thank you for your time tonight.

FOGG: Sure, thank you.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, the GOP`s Donald Trump problem. He`s doubling down
on that offensive comment about rapists from Mexico.

Also, what President Obama said today about attorney general Lynch and her
priorities going forward.


SHARPTON: So you probably heard how Neil Young is unhappy that the Donald
used one of his songs without permission at the big campaign launch
yesterday. Young is a big Bernie Sanders` fan, and didn`t want his music
associated with Trump`s policies.

So now the Donald might be on the hunt for a new theme song. But guess
what, I have a few ideas. How about you`re so vain, by Carly Simon. That
would be in his campaign slogan too. Or what about Taylor Swift`s hit "i
knew you were trouble," that`s probably what the rest of the GOP field is
thinking now. Maybe Pink Floyd`s "another brick in the wall," since Trump
apparently wants to build a giant wall on the Mexican border.

But really, there`s only one song that`s a perfect fit for the trump
campaign. "Talking loud and saying nothing" by my mentor and surrogate
father James Brown.

Coming up, we`ll look at why Republicans are already so worried about
Trump`s effect on the race, especially when it comes to immigration.


SHARPTON: It`s Donald Trump`s first full day on the trail. Right now he`s
campaigning in the primary state of New Hampshire, where the crowds will
likely get the trump "Say anything" approach, like he did last night in


DONALD TRUMP, ENTREPRENEUR: Politicians, they`re killing this country.
They`re killing it.

I watched Jeb Bush yesterday. He can`t even put on a tie and jacket, he`s
running for president.

Women, women, I`m a woman, I`m going to be the youngest woman in the White
House. And I`m not going to have white hair. I`m going to dye my hair
blonde. She`s going crazy.


Rubio was really weak on immigration, and by the way, I have better hair
than he does, believe me. And it is my hair.

In Mexico, you can take the cars and trucks, and we can have the illegals
drive them right through the border into our country, it`s true.

And ISIS is rich. And what we should do right now is go blast the hell out
of that.

Nobody thinks of me as the ultimate wasp, but I am.


SHARPTON: But one day in, he`s already creating a headache for the GOP
with controversial comments on Mexican immigrants. He was asked about it
today by MSNBC`s Kasie Hunt.


KASIE HUNT, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: In your speech today, you said that,
quote, "Some rapists are coming across the border with Mexico."

TRUMP: Absolutely.

HUNT: What did you mean by that?

TRUMP: Well, you have rapist. They`re sending us, not their finest
people. They`re sending us people and it`s people other than from Mexico
also. We have drug dealers coming across, we have rapists, we have
killers, we have murderers. Why? Do you think they`re going to send us --
I mean, it`s common sense. Do you think they`re going to send us their
best people and their finest people? The answer is no.


SHARPTON: So he`s basically defending the comment. And today, no real
denouncement from party leaders, at a time when America is looking for
economic fairness and social equality, here comes Donald Trump. We are all
waiting to see what happens next.

Let`s talk to my friends Jimmy Williams and Jason Johnson. Jason, I said
last night, Trump will be a factor. How bad is this for the party, or do
you think it`s a good thing?

for the Republican Party. It`s great for comedians. I mean, look, the
problem is -- and this is a piece I`ve got coming out on NBC tomorrow -- it
degrades the entire process, when you have a carnival barker on stage, that
everyone knows doesn`t really want the job, it makes everyone else in the
room look silly because they have to answer for his behavior or justify his
existence on the same stage. So, this is really bad news for the
Republican Party, but they can`t get rid of him because he`s got too much
money and too high name recognition.

SHARPTON: Jimmy, and those are live pictures by the way of Donald Trump
right now in the state of the -- major primary state of New Hampshire.
But, Jimmy, it`s bad for the party, Jason says, but good for comedians.
But I also think it could be good for Jeb Bush. Because right now, this
race is starting to be seen as Jeb Bush against Donald Trump. He`s taken
all the air out of the room for the other opponents. And they`ve either
got to act more bizarre or do something that will grab attention to even be
noticed. Or Bush can just stand back and act presidential and like the
adult in the room and just beat who is perceived as clownish.

good point, which is, you know, whatever he does, it`s all for the benefit
of Donald Trump. And I think that Donald Trump isn`t running against
Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush. I think Donald Trump is running against
everyone. And by the way that sort of populism theme, if you will, that
plays well and it plays well with a large swath of American society. But
here`s the problem. No one actually thinks Donald Trump can be president,
will be president or ever will be president.

Secondly, and more importantly, I think that there`s something that`s
happening here that Donald Trump doesn`t even realize, and that is by
pumping himself up over and over and over again, he leaves -- the party has
to follow him. He`s running as a republican. No one should ever forget,
Donald Trump, a four-time bankruptee in the State of New York is running
for president as a republican. So the RNC, who is not allowed to pick a
candidate, by the way, has to defend him. And if they can`t defend him
like our good friend Shaun Spicer wasn`t able to do earlier, then that`s a
problem for the RNC and for the Republican Party. His ideas are out of the
mainstream of even republican voters. And that`s the case, they have to
either tamp him down, not let him in debates, or disassociate from him.
And if they do, he still wins on the national debate stage.

SHARPTON: You know, I noticed a sign in this crowd in New Hampshire saying
Mexicans are people, not criminals. You know, Trump`s controversial
comments on Mexican immigrants is making headlines. The Mexican government
is lashing out today, calling Trump`s ideas, quote, "absurd." But the
RNC`s official response has been lukewarm at best. Saying Trump`s comments
are not helpful. And a Washington Post editorial says this comment will
keep the GOP out of the White House. Now, this is a demographic
Republicans need. Yet we didn`t really hear the outrage from party
leaders. How will that play out, Jason?

JOHNSON: Well, see this is why I disagree, Rev. Trump really actually
hurt Jeb Bush, because this is Jeb Bush`s baby constituency. Jeb Bush, is,
I`m the republican candidate who can get 45 percent of the Latino vote. He
can`t let Trump be on the same stage as him and keep making these comments
without engaging Donald Trump. And, you know, when you wrestle with a pig

SHARPTON: Unless he confronts him, unless he takes him on.

JOHNSON: Exactly. Exactly. You know, you wrestle with a pig, you both
get muddy. I think this actually ends up helping Scott Walker, because
when Jeb and Trump are fighting with each other, Scott Walker can say, yes,
these guys can fight. I`ve actually been a functional governor. So I
think this could actually harm Jeb Bush long-term, because he`s going to
have to engage Trump in a way that I think other candidates can probably

SHARPTON: Well, it`s according to how he plays it. And you know, Jeb Bush
responded to his new rival, Mr. Trump, on FOX last night. Watch this,


SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: -- took you on in a speech today about common
core and immigration. I want to ask you --



I shouldn`t have done that.


SHARPTON: And Donald Trump talked to "Morning Joe" in an interview airing
tomorrow. Here`s a clip of him responding.


TRUMP: I think that Bush is a nice man. I call him, he`s a man that
doesn`t want to be doing what he`s doing. You know, I call him the
reluctant warrior. And warrior is probably not a good word. But I think
Bush is an unhappy person. I don`t think he has any energy and I don`t see
how he can win. In addition to that, he`s in favor of common core, and
he`s weak on immigration.


SHARPTON: How will this play out for Jeb, Jimmy? I mean, Trump is polling
pretty well.

WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, look, he`s got a poll in the top ten, if you will,
in order to get on these debate stages. But I think that, I hate to say
this, but Donald Trump is on to something, and that is that Bush`s
immigration stance, while with the general electorate would play probably
pretty well, does not at all play well with the republican right wing
extremists, the base voters. Same thing with common core. Now, I think if
someone, I hope that Joe, our colleague Joe Scarborough has asked Donald
Trump exactly what common core is. Because I`m pretty sure he couldn`t
tell you what it is.


WILLIAMS: But that is relevant to the process. What is relevant is
whether or not Jeb Bush who is able to make it through. He`s not really
going to participate in Iowa. He`s banking in New Hampshire. And then
he`s praying like all get out that he can do well in South Carolina where
Bushes are known to do well. So, if he can get through those early states
and not come in third, fourth, or fifth, then he`s still a viable candidate
purely because of the money he`s raised. Something most people don`t know.
Jeb Bush announced two days ago. Jeb Bush doesn`t have a single staffer on
the ground in South Carolina as we speak. That does not bode well for him.

SHARPTON: Yes, well, the full interview, by the way, with Donald Trump, is
on "Morning Joe" tomorrow morning. Jimmy Williams, and Jason Johnson,
thank you both for your time.

JOHNSON: Thank you, Rev.

WILLIAMS: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: Coming up next, President Obama praising new Attorney General
Loretta Lynch. And why she says the Justice Department is the conscience
of this nation.

Plus, they`re back. Why can`t House Republicans just let the death panel
myth die?

And First Lady Michelle Obama takes her healthy eating campaign overseas.
What is she cooking? Please stay with us.



PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: It`s her map. Justice, her
compass. She is tough, but she is fair. She is firm but kind. Her
intelligence and her judgment, her grace under fire have earned the trust
and admiration of those she works with, and those she serves.


SHARPTON: President Obama today praising Attorney General Loretta Lynch
and the work she`s already doing on the job. Fifty two days after she was
sworn in, the President spoke at a formal ceremony, marking her takeover.
He shared a funny story about her parents, a Baptist minister, and a
teacher from North Carolina.


OBAMA: Apparently when she applied to work at the U.S. attorney`s office
and an FBI agent went to their house to conduct a routine background check,
her parents pulled out a bunch of scrap books of Loretta`s accomplishments.
Made the agent look through them.


I`m sure Loretta was mortified. And here in third grade, she got the
prize, and here`s one of her old poems. And I have this picture of the FBI
agents sitting there, yes, ma`am.


SHARPTON: When Lynch took the stage, she talked about the vital role the
Justice Department plays in our society.


LORETTA LYNCH, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: Mr. President, thank you for your
faith in asking me to lead the department that is the conscience of this
nation, that represents more than any other, the fundamental promise of
America, of equal justice under the law. Thank you, sir.

To give voice to those fighting oppression. To give hope to those seeking
the redress of wrongs, to give meaning to the cry of "Never Again" and to
protect those who call us on in the still small hours of night when they
are cold and frightened.


SHARPTON: I was honored to be one of the guests at the ceremony today. I
was particularly moved that Loretta Lynch, the new attorney general was
sworn in with her hand on the bible of Frederick Douglas, the great
abolitionist and former slave. I also couldn`t help but sit and think
about how many days it took to finally get the Senate to vote and give
their confirmation to her approval.

Joining me now is one who also advocated strongly for them to just come
with a vote. Sirius XM radio host Joe Madison.

Joe, finally she was sworn in, 52 days ago, today the installation
ceremony, and she was very specific on areas of concern and priority for
her as attorney general.

JOE MADISON, SIRIUS XM RADIO HOST: And she hit the ground running. I
think that`s what really, it sits my thoughts about her. She hit the
ground running. Look what she did immediately when Baltimore exploded.
She immediately went into Baltimore --

SHARPTON: Within hours.

MADISON: Within hours. And not just talking to the people of Baltimore,
but even to the police and the other officials. But here`s the thing that
really strikes me as kind of sad. Look at the amount of time that the
Senate wasted. She could have hit the ground months earlier, and there
could have been issues that this woman, this individual, this law
enforcement officer, could have addressed six, seven months or so while she
was waiting for confirmation, over nothing but pure political football.

SHARPTON: Well, and it was a historic moment. I sat there looking with
other heads of civil rights organizations, certainly there`s history. But
your point, look at what she`s already done. She`s investigating the
Baltimore Police Department. She`s overseeing the settlement with the
Cleveland Police Department. She announced the indictments against FIFA
Soccer League officials. And the FBI and federal prosecutors have moved
against several terror suspects, all of this in 52 days. Imagine what she
could have done had she been confirmed earlier in the year since the
nomination was hanging since the end of last year.

MADISON: And Reverend Sharpton, the other thing to keep in mind, it`s not
so much what she`s done, as you delineated, but you haven`t heard a peep
from any opposition. You know why? Because she`s doing the right thing.
She`s doing a good job. No one in these 50-plus days has complained about
a single decision that she`s made. Not one. And think about all these
candidates that are running now for the republican nomination. Not one of
them has mentioned her name in opposition to anything she`s done.

SHARPTON: Now, there was applause when the President mentioned the now
former Attorney General Eric Holder. In fact, his wife, Dr. Malone, was
there. How do you compare Attorney General Lynch to Eric Holder?

MADISON: I don`t think it`s fair to compare them. I think that they each
are their own person. They each -- if any comparison, they`re each very
bright, brilliant, capable individuals. Eric Holder has made his mark and
he has created his own footprint. She has to now create her own footprint.
She`s not there to fill his shoes. She`s there to make her own path. So I
would just simply draw the comparison as they both were excellent choices.
Both are right for the time.

SHARPTON: And I think the only comparison that I am comfortable with is
both of them have faced, in my opinion, undue criticism and undue scrutiny,
largely because of a partisan fight and a bias against the sitting
president that appointed them.

MADISON: Man, you are 100 percent right. That`s why when Donald Trump
announced his candidacy, you would think that President Obama was running
for a third term. Because that`s all he talked about.

SHARPTON: Well, he threw a couple of jabs at Jeb, but he majored in
attacking President Obama. The sad part is, he does it with more bombast.
But all of the republican candidates are doing it in non-specific kind of
irrational ways and I don`t think it speaks well to the politics that we
are really needing to deal with today.

MADISON: Yes. And she`s a brilliant person. You know her better than I
think most people on television and radio.

SHARPTON: She was the prosecutor in Brooklyn.


SHARPTON: I have dealt with cases with her that she agreed and disagreed.
But she`s a diligent, fair, hard-working person. I can say that. Joe
Madison, thank you for your time tonight.

MADISON: Always, thank you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Straight ahead, last year I held a funeral for GOP talking
points against ObamaCare. Today, they`re rising from the dead. The
talking points are back. Speaker Boehner, we got you.


SHARPTON: Republicans in the House are still infected with their ObamaCare
repeal fever. Speaker John Boehner is suffering the worst from it.


REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: ObamaCare is fundamentally
broken. Americans can`t afford it, and so the House will going to take
actions this week on solutions that will lower costs and expand access to
quality health care.


SHARPTON: One of those so-called solutions is voting this week to repeal
the independent payment advisory board. This board was created by the
health care law to come up with Medicare savings. That`s it. But our
friends on the right know it by another name.



RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Death panels, this is how they`re
going to manifest themselves.

REP. LOUIE GOHMERT (R), TEXAS: The nationalization of healthcare that is
going to absolutely kill senior citizens. Put them on lists and force them
to die early.

HANNITY: Remember those death panels we spent so much time talking about,
well, guess what, the death panels are back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We should not have a government program that determines
you`re going to pull the plug on grandma.

REP. MICHELE BACHMANN (R), MINNESOTA: It will be very unpleasant if the
death panels go into effect.


SHARPTON: Death panels pulling the plug on grandma? They must be feeling
feverish, because they`re making no sense. It`s a joke. And it`s turned
into one of President Obama`s favorite punchlines.


OBAMA: Trying to scare everybody with lies about death panels and killing

Now that their grand predictions of doom and gloom and death panels and
Armageddon haven`t come true --

There are still no death panels.


SHARPTON: There are no death panels and this law is still helping millions
of people. Did House Republicans think we wouldn`t notice they`ve come
down with a bad case of nonsensitis? Nice try, but we got you.


SHARPTON: We close tonight with a disturbing headline from "The Washington
Post." Quote, "The average American woman now weighs as much as the
average 1960s man." It`s alarming. The stats show that in 1960, the
average woman weighed 130 pounds. Now, it`s 166 pounds. Men have gotten a
lot heavier too. They`ve gone from an average of 166 pounds to 195 pounds.
This is a public health crisis. We see the effect with diabetes and heart
disease. And in the cost of health care. We must act to fix it. That`s
why the Obama administration is moving to ban trans-fats within three
years. It`s also why First Lady Michelle Obama has been fighting for
healthier lunches in our schools. She took that message with her on her
overseas trip to Italy today. Teaming up with celebrity chefs and sports
stars to talk about the importance of a healthy diet.


MICHELLE OBAMA, U.S. FIRST LADY: One of the things that we learned in the
United States is that it takes everybody coming on board to help with this
issue. It takes everybody stepping up. We all have to do our part. And
kids like you, you guys have to do your part. You got to eat your
vegetables. Yes, sorry about that. Got to have some vegetables. And it
helps if you know where your food comes from.


SHARPTON: America needs to shape up, and we need to make sure that healthy
food options are available to everyone, including people in poor and
underserved communities. I recently, in the last three or four years have
taken my health much more seriously, and my diet. Lost over 170 pounds. I
feel better, I am better, I look healthier, feel healthier, think
healthier, more energy. Not because of any cosmetic reason. But because
you can`t have self-esteem if you don`t really take care of yourself and
your health. And the reflection of it by what you take in measures your

Thank you for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.


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