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Date: June 23, 2015
Guest: Chris Murphy, Erika Soto Lamb, Sherrod Brown, Charles Ogletree,
Larry Cohen, Jim Keady, Bernie Sanders

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live in New York.

Let`s get to work.


SCHULTZ: Tonight, Walmart gets a challenge from a U.S. senator.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve got a have a conversation here in this country
about the kind of weapons that we make legal.

SCHULTZ: Plus, taking on race issues.

with race is far from finished.

SCHULTZ: Later, salvaged in the Senate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On this vote the yay`s are 60, the nays are 37. The
motion is agree to.

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL, (R-KY) MAJORITY LEADER: America is back in the trade

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There will be more plans closing in Ohio.

We today don`t do anything to help those workers that lose their jobs.
It`s shameful, Mr. President.

SCHULTZ: And polls for people power.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`ve been talking about this race and about the
large crowds that Bernie Sanders in particular has been getting. But when
you looked at the new poll now it`s not even close. It`s 75 percent for
Hillary Clinton.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.
Well, it has really been a remarkable day and a remarkable reaction. The
confederate flag revolution, if you may, has avalanched all around this
country. After nine black Americans, parishioners were gunned down in a
South Carolina church, people across the state of South Carolina called for
its removal from the capitol.

Here was the scene in Charleston, South Carolina today. Demonstrators
flooded the capitol grounds shouting, bring it down.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don`t need anymore talking. All the points have
been made. The governor has spoken. The flag ought to come down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One last time, take it down. Take it down. Take it
down. Take it down.


SCHULTZ: South Carolina lawmakers got into action. They voted to consider
removing the flag today. The son of a staunch segregationist former
Senator Strom Thurmond said it is time to pull the symbol from the State


STATE SEN. PAUL THURMOND, (R) SOUTH CAROLINA: I`m proud to be on the right
side of history regarding the removal of this symbol of racism and bigotry
from the State House. It is time to acknowledge our past, atone for our
sins and work towards a better future.


SCHULTZ: State governments across the country ignited with debate today.
Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe announced that his plans to phase out the
flag from state license plates in the state of Virginia. Mississippi`s
official state flag features the confederate implement it design their
House Speaker says it`s "Has become a point of offense that needs to be
removed". The movement quickly spilled into the business sector of this
country. Nascar threw its support behind removal. Ebay, Amazon, Etsy
decided to prohibit sale of confederate flags and items containing its
image on their auction websites. Valley Forge Flag makers one of the
biggest in the country says it will stop production immediately at the
confederate flag.

Sears, Walmart will remove items containing the flag from their shelves.
Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut shares his opinion on Twitter. He
wrote "Good for Walmart. For saying they won`t sell confederate flags.
Now how about all of those assault weapons?" Murphy has led the charge for
gun control legislation after the 2012 Newtown shootings in his state. He
has continually advocated for stronger limitation on military style assault
weapons. Despite over 90 percent of Americans favoring stronger gun
control laws, the effort fell by the wayside. NBC News confirms that
Dylann Roof legally purchased the semi-automatic handgun he used during the
shooting in church in Carolina.

Initial reports describing Roof receiving the gun as the gift were false.
Roof was facing a drug charge, which does not prohibit him from buying a
gun under federal law. Law enforcement officials give us more news about
the shooter today, they released this video today of Dylann Roof being
arrested. This is dash cam footage of Roof being taken into the custody
during a traffic stop in North Carolina.

Now, back to the flag removal for a moment. Is this going to affect your
life? Let`s tell it like it is. This is feel good legislation. It is
somewhat of a sad commentary in our country and in our society that it
takes the death of nine people for us to realize what is really morally
right and wrong. But it is good we are there. It`s interesting to see how
the business community and free market has worked on this today and there
are so many changes taking place. But if it flies on top of a building
does it affect your life? Does it change anything? And the confederate
flag is everywhere.

I look outside my window here at 30 Rock. Look at the bottom right hand
corn over that screen. You may not be able to see it because of the tree
but flags fly right at the rank at 30 Rock here in New York City. There`s
the Mississippi confederate flag right there, the stars and bars flying
here in New York City. It is a part of our society and it is an ugly part
of our society. And I`m glad to see that Mississippi is going to do
something about it or at least they`re starting the conversation.

But does it change your life that a flag is going to be removed? And the
answer is no. I say that all of this talk about the confederate flag is an
easy lift. We should have done it years ago. We should have recognized
what it represented and how wrong it is. The heavy lift and what will
affect your life and which will change people`s lives, is background checks
and we couldn`t get that. Why is it that we can remove flags but we can`t
come forward with legislation of security that is going save American

The President pointed out the other day, well there are 31,000 lives lost
in this country every year to gun violence. Maybe if we had stiffer laws
we might be able to have some of those folks still with us. That is
reality. This is an easy lift moving the flag. It is a hard lift putting
gun legislation, smart legislation, even when 90 percent of the American
people want it. We can`t get it. Do you feel like your government is
working now?

Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Is it enough just to take down the confederate flag? Go to vote. We`ll bring the results later on in the show.

Joining me tonight Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut. Senator, good to
have you with us tonight.

SEN. CHRIS MURPHY, (D) CONNECTCUT: Yeah, thanks for having me Ed.

SCHULTZ: Your thoughts on what we`re seeing unfold in the last 48 hours
surrounding the flag and also I want you to speak directly as to why you
tweeted what you tweeted today.

MURPHY: Also I`m proud of South Carolina and all of these companies for
recognizing what they should have recognized decades ago, that the flag is
a symbol of racism and not so quietly endorses those people who would
either harbor racist thoughts or carry actions with racist intent. But
you`re exactly right that this is a cover for doing absolutely nothing
continually about the onslaught of gun violence in this country. The fact
is that every day 80 people are dying from guns. And yes it may be that
the flying of the confederate flag had a small part in the racist thoughts
that led this young man to do such damage in Charleston. But if we`re not
going to have a conversation about fixing our mental health system or
passing expanded background checks or quite frankly getting this military
style assault weapons that Walmart still sells at their stores with totally
unqualified clerks to send them out to consumers, then we just haven`t done
our duty.


MURPHY: And here is my real point here. If we do nothing, if we are
totally silent, then that essentially makes us complicit in these murders.
Maybe a background check wouldn`t have stopped this guy from killing nine
people in Charleston. But when we just remain totally silent in
Washington, we send a message of silent endorsement to the carnage across
this country and that`s got to stop.

SCHULTZ: Senator, if I may offer, it depends upon what kind of background
check we`re talking about. You can`t get into Canada if you have pending
legal action of an issue against you. But you can buy a gun in America? I
mean, that is a fact. So, he was facing a drug charge. So under federal
law that doesn`t disqualify him from buying a firearm. But the fact is it
depends upon what kind of background check you are going to have and what
kind of teeth is going to be in the law. I mean, I think that is where you
are at right now. So, let me ask you. What do you want Walmart and
retailers to do? You said now what about those assault weapons. What do
you want them to do?

MURPHY: Well, listen, I would rather that a place like Walmart not sell
guns. I mean, it goes up to me, Walmart that really has no trained
specialists in selling gun, in training people and how to use guns, in
looking for the kind of people who when they walk into the store are
exhibiting signs such that you shouldn`t sell them a gun shouldn`t be in
that business. I have no problem with licensed independent gun dealers
selling weapons. I just don`t think Walmart should be in that business.
But at the at least shouldn`t be in the business selling assault weapons.

That Tweet that I send out was a screenshot of the advertisement. And in
that advertisement for that particular assault weapon that they`re selling.
They advertise it as a military style assault weapon used by law
enforcement and the military. Right, designed for that usage. So, you
know, they`re marketing in weapons that are designed for the military and
law enforcement and not for personal use. So I`d rather them just get out
of the business entirely. And I just want our corporate community that not
the just ingenious about this. It`s not enough just to stop selling the
confederate flag. You have got to be part of this discussion about how we
can continue to allow almost 100 people every day to die from guns. That
is part of your corporate social responsibility. And I hope that more
companies will step up to the plate.

SCHULTZ: Senator Chris Murphy Connecticut, great to have you with us
tonight. I appreciate your time so much. I think you twitted reality as
what you did.

I want to bring in Erika Soto Lamb. She`s a Communication Director for
every town for gun safety. Your reaction to the reaction of the flag today
by the business community throughout this country.

said it right. It is not enough. As Senator Murphy said "It`s not
enough". And that`s why we`re taking this fight into state legislatures.
Where, you know, I think the response to Charleston over the last few days
has been a bit defeatist, that we`re not making progress when in fact the
last legislative session we have killed or watered down more than 40 NRA
priority bills. Just last month people may have missed the Oregon past and
became the 18th state to require background checks on all handgun sales.

SCHULTZ: So, what kind of background check do you want? What would be
ideal and what would fit America?

LAMB: Background checks on all handgun sales is the number one way that we
can reduce gun violence, the gun violence that killing 88 Americans and
injuring hundreds more every day. And that`s why we`ve taken the fight to
the states. You know, Washington can be intransigent on this issue as it
is on many. So, we really change the playbook. We`re fighting in state
legislatures and we`re making progress.

SCHULTZ: Do you think the action that`s taking place with the confederate
flag and the conversation that is going to go on is going to lead into
possible legislative action on background checks?

LAMB: It is a meaningful first step. You know, the reaction to Charleston
has forced all of us to say what can we do? That`s political leaders,
corporate leaders and individuals. And all of us are right now rising for
Charleston. We`re taking the action that we can to change the laws and
change the culture and prevent the gun violence that is plaguing the

SCHULTZ: Erika back to the shooting in Connecticut of the elementary
school children, which was absolutely gut-wrenching history for this
country. No legislation was passed after that. Nothing and there were so
-- the expectations were so high. How much of the setback was that?

LAMB: We changed the playbook. Look, Washington the fact there was a vote
was meaningful. The conversation at that time was not based on what the
number one policy measure to reduce gun violence is and now we all know its
background checks. We changed the conversation after Newtown. And since
then we`ve been taken this fight in the state legislatures into corporate
boardroom, into houses of worship and that`s why everyone is doing their
part what they can from their purview to change gun violence in America.

SCHULTZ: Erika Soto Lamb thanks for joining us tonight. Appreciate it so

Remember to answer tonight`s question at We`ll have
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Coming up, race becomes a hot topic on the campaign trail. We`ll have
Hillary Clinton`s comments from her Missouri event next.

And later, TPA, Trade Promotional Authority gets a go ahead in the Senate.
Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown on what it could mean for American workers.

Stay tuned. We`ll be right back on the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: And we are back on the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight. In
the wake of the Charleston church shooting a discussion about race has
developed with a new level of intensity in this country. The timely
discussion is being addressed by presidential candidates on the trail.
Just moments ago Hillary Clinton sat down for a round table discussion
about race near Ferguson, Missouri. Listen and visited a black church four
miles from the place where unarmed black teenager Michael brown was killed.
Clinton made clear America is still struggling with issues of race.


CLINTON: I know it`s tempting to dismiss a tragedy like this as an
isolated incident. To believe that in today`s America bigotry is largely
behind us. That institutionalized racism no longer exists. But despite
our best efforts and our highest hopes, America`s long struggle with race
is far from finished.


SCHULTZ: And former Secretary Clinton made the very profound point. She
went on to address segregation in schools in America.


SCHULTZ: The quality, opportunity, civil rights in America are still far
from where they need to be. Our schools are still segregated. In fact
more segregated than they were in the 1960s.


SCHULTZ: For more let me bring in Michael Eric Dyson MSNBC Political
Analyst in Georgetown University Professor, also with us tonight Charles
Ogletree a Professor at Harvard Law School. Gentlemen great to have you
with us tonight.


SCHULTZ: Now, I think that Hillary Clinton hit the nail on the head. We
can teach racism. We can teach hate. So it starts in education. And I
think that this is part of the discussion. If we do not have equal
resources, it`s different. There is a different appearance. There is
going to be a different outcome. That is what I believe. I also think
that this -- there is going to be a new level of discussion and intensity
in this country when it comes to race. Because of what unfolded tragically
in South Carolina.

Michael your reaction to what now is unfolding on the campaign trail? And
Bernie Sanders has also talked about it as well. Your thoughts.

DYSON: No, I think you`re absolutely right about the resource disparity.
If you brought, you know, $60 million school in the suburbs with, you know,
high speed internet access and zoological classes they`re going to have a
quality of education and pedigree of schooling that`s going to be far
different than an inner city school with far less resources, no high speed
internet access and hardly any first hand textbooks. So that resource
disparity is telling in terms of the quality of education one receives and
therefore our ability to challenge some of the deeply entrenched and
profoundly rooted believes about race in this country.

And I think what Hillary Clinton is doing is exceptionally good. You`ve
got to address not only the persistence of sentiment. You`ve got to talk
about structural realities as well. The educational system here has been
resegregated to the point as she said to reflect the 1960s. Black and
Latino kids go to schools that nearly mirror the level of segregation they
endured in the 60s. So until we address these systemic efforts as well as
the sentiments and passions we won`t have we won`t have much racial

SCHULTZ: Professor Ogletree, your thoughts on next level of discussion
needs to be and action to match it.

agree with what Michael Eric Dyson said about the things need to be
changed. But I would dig a little bit deeper. I appreciate the fact that
upcoming I hope President Clinton -- Hillary Clinton will move beyond the
issues and talk about the same things we talked about before. We went
through this with the John Hope Franklin when President Bill Clinton was
saying we need to talk about race. We haven`t had that discussion and I
think all of us, every single person needs to have it.

I`m a member of the AME Church here in Cambridge. And this makes me bleed,
makes me sorrow what happened to the people in Charleston, South Carolina.
But I think that we as a community have to figure out how we`re going to
have a conversation to get beyond race. Talk about it to get beyond race
and talk about health. Talk about jobs. Talk about education. Talk about
housing. All of those things are important.

SCHULTZ: Well, professor, what about that? Do you believe that income
inequality sets the table for racism to grow? Because there`s a different
lifestyle, there`s a different priority, there`s different opportunities
and with that becomes animosity and stereotyping. Your thoughts on that?

OGLETREE: Well, part of that -- for me. Part of that is yes income
inequality is a problem. And I`m looking now to the black males who want
to work here in the United States and can`t find a job. They want to work.
They`re not lazy and not unwilling to work. And I think we need to do
that. And I`m the middle class or upper class African-American and I`ve
been giving money to every organization that will hold out a hand and say
we need your donation to make things go move forward. I know my wife don`t
like me hearing saying that. But I think our churches have to be strong.
Our businesses have to be strong. Our educational institutions have to be
strong and we have to in a sense use this as the sense of what we`ve gone
through and make sure that we deal with race. Race, race, race in the 21st

SCHULTZ: Michael.

DYSON: We`ll see I think that, you know, what you said is absolutely right
but I want to say that those issues you talk about getting beyond race all
of those issues implicate race and are implicated in racial discourse.
Because when you talk about health disparity, African-Americans access to
high quality healthcare, which thank God for Obamacare has, you know,
leveled the playing field for some. But it`s still -- the disparity is
still yawning there. Income inequality is huge and it is not simply a
matter of access to higher grades of education and therefore better ways of
living. It`s also the kind of deeply a rooted racial resentment, the anti-
black sentiments that are sentiments that are deeply entrenched in the
culture. Even people with high forms of education unfortunately sometimes
perpetuate a legacy of stereotype.


DYSON: And don`t know the other. I think all of those things have to be
talked about simultaneously if we`re to be effective in rooting up and
extra, you know, just extricating ourselves from that horrible culture of

SCHULTZ: And how does what happened to the confederate flag today and the
business community healed the situation? I want to play a clip Hillary
Clinton again addressing the confederate flag.


CLINTON: I appreciate the actions begun yesterday by the governor and
other leaders of South Carolina to remove the confederate battle flag from
the State House, recognizing it as the symbol of our nation`s racist past
that has no place in our present or our future. It shouldn`t fly there.
It shouldn`t fly anywhere.


SCHULTZ: Professor Ogletree, your reaction to that and where does it go
from here?

OGLETREE: I think it`s very important to talk about the flag but it is
just an issue, just diversion from the issue that Michael and I have been
talking about.


OGLETREE: You have to change society and the flag is important. But it is
only a step. And I don`t want people to think that they, you know, bring
the flag down that we are not a unified country. We`re not there yet. And
we need to talk about race and this conversation and I think Michael Eric
Dyson is right and I think our community is ready to have the conversation
from children to people in school, people who are unemployed, to people who
are in business, people who are in the churches, all of those places. We
have to have a real discussion about race.


OGLETREE: And deal with it as hard as we can. Even if it takes a long

SCHULTZ: Michael Eric Dyson, Charles Ogletree, gentlemen great to have
with us tonight on the Ed Show. And thanks for the discussion.

Still to come, the future of Trade Adjustment Assistance hangs in the
balance. It`s a trust me moment for the Democrats looking across the
aisle. We`ll have the latest on what is ahead for Congress. And Joyce
Mitchell`s husband breaks his silence on her role in the Upstate New York
prison break.

We`ll have that in the latest on the search for the prisoners. Stay with
us. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. New York State police are
describing the hunt for two men who escaped from a maximum security prison
as an active and developing situation. About an hour ago MSNBC Adam Reiss
reported law enforcement vehicles were converging on a campground. In a
town called Mountain View. Officials secured the perimeter and asked
residents in the area to leave. Now it seems the situation has subsided
and officials are departing.

Meanwhile we`re learning new details about the woman who has been charge
with supplying Richard Matt and David Sweat with tools inside the facility.
District attorney Andrew Wylie tells NBC News Joyce Mitchell smuggled
hacksaw blades, drill bits and a whole punch into the facility by putting
them inside ground B that she would then bring into the facility. Wylie
says she kept the beef in refrigerator located in the tailor shop where she
worked with the prisoners.

Joyce Mitchell has pleaded not guilty. According to Wylie, Gene Palmer the
corrections officer placed on administrative leave on Friday would bring
the meat to Sweat and Matt. According to district attorney Palmer said he
didn`t know he was bringing them tools. Joyce Mitchell husband Lyle who
also works at the prison is cooperating with police he`s not accused of any
wrong doing. At NBC News exclusive interview Lyle discuss his wife`s
alleged role in the prison break and how he thought his own life was in


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you say did you help these two prisoners escape?

LYLE MITCHELL, JOYCE MITCHELL HUSBAND: And so how can this happen? She
said that this I got hold my head and I was scared. And she said I got
something else to tell you. I said what`s that? She said their plan was
they want to kill you. I said what? They wanted her to come pick them up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So she admitted to you at that moment that once these
two escaped from Clinton and made their way to that manhole.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That she was supposed to be the one to pick them up and
drive them away.

MITCHELL: She told me that Matt wanted her to pick him up. And she said
"Well, I never leave nowhere without Lyle, never. And he said I`ll give
you some pills to give him to knock him out and we`ll and you can pick us
up. She said I am not doing that. She said I love my husband. I am not
hurting him. And she said then I do other on my head. She said I can`t do
this. And that she told me he started threatening her with someone inside
the facility was going to do something to me, to harm me or kill me or
someone outside the jail if she didn`t stay with this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: According to your wife they were going to kill you for
what reason?

MITCHELL: They just get me out of the way. But she said she would have
never going to through that. That`s what she told me. She really love me
and she was into the.


SCHULTZ: Stay with us here on the Ed Show. We`ll have reaction to today`s
Senate vote on Trade Promotion Authority and more right after this.

Market Wrap.

Stocks build on Monday`s gains. The DOW is up 24 points, the S&P 500 adds
a point, the NASDAQ Composite rises by 6 to close at another record.

Sales of new homes are hot. They rose 2.2 percent to more than 7 year high
in May. The Northeastern U.S. saw the biggest increases.

Meanwhile orders of durable goods meant to last at least three years fell
1.8 percent last month. It was the third decline in the last four months.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: And we`re back on the Ed Show. Thanks for watching. Earlier
today, the Senate advanced Trade Promotion Authority for President Obama in
a key procedural vote. Fast-Track narrowly passed in the Senate 60 to 37.
The bill now needs a simple majority for final passage that should come
tomorrow. Fast-Track is expected to be on President Obama`s desk by the
end of the week. This paves the way for the President to finalize the
Trans-Pacific Partnership. The key program that is missing from today`s
bill is Trade Adjustment Assistance for displaced workers.

The Senate plans to hold a separate vote later this week on TAA. It`s
expected to pass the Senate but its future in the house simply is not
clear. Immediately after today`s vote Majority Leader Mitch McConnell
addressed the chamber.


MCCONNELL: This is a very important day for our country. We`ve
demonstrated we can work together on a bipartisan basis to achieve
something that is extremely important for America.


SCHULTZ: Moments later Senator Bernie Sanders responded to McConnell on
the Senate floor.


agreement will continue the policies of NAFTA, CAFTA permanent normal trade
relations with China, agreements that have cost us millions of decent
paying jobs. We need a new trade policy in America, a policy that
represents working families and not just the big money interests. I
strongly disagree with the Majority Leader who called this a great day for
America. It is not a great day. It is a great day for the big money
interest. Not a great day for working families.


SCHULTZ: President Obama will now have to trust John Boehner and Mitch
McConnell to send him assistance for displaced workers. The President in
the past has said that he would not sign anything unless there was that
bill on his desk to go along with trans promotional authority. We`ll see.

For more here is Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown who also went to the floor
today and discussed over this TPA. Senator, unpack it for us. What do you
think of the outcome of today`s vote?

SEN. SHERROD BROWN, (D) OHIO: I`m very disappointed. I wasn`t shocked
because the handwriting`s probably done on the wall because of the
influence of the President and Republican leadership and corporate America
are all pushing the same direction on this. But what was most disturbing
is even the most vigorous free trade activists, the more vigorous free
trade cheerleaders if you will, the Wall Street Journal, editorial board,
others like that. All say that passage with a trade agreement dislocates
workers. People -- Even if they think they create jobs overall, the
decisions we make in Washington on trade politician when we pass a trade
agreement, some people, many individuals are thrown out of work. So, what
they`re saying is we make a decision on something that cost them their job
but Senator McConnell and the Republican leadership are unwilling to help
those workers at the same time.

SCHULTZ: And Republicans have never been a real fan of Trade Adjustment
Assistance. So this is a leap of faith, is it not?

BROWN: Yeah, absolutely.

SCHULTZ: Of the 14 Democrats in the Senate only one of them turned back to
a no vote from the last vote and that was Ben Cardin. So where is the
trust coming from?

BROWN: Well, it`s a good question. Keep in mind 70 percent of Democrats
in the Senate voted no on Fast-Track. 85 percent of Democrats in House, so
overwhelmingly strong Democratic opposition to this. Those 13 members that
voted for TPA are trusting John Boehner to do the right thing. And when
you see the heritage foundation, there other right-wing think tanks. The
pressure on Republicans to kill Trade Adjustment Assistance. To me they
clearly don`t care about the workers. As we know about that. But the TPP
is 40 percent of the world`s economy. This is a $400 million program. Its
peanuts compared to what this trade agreement is. And Republicans -- I
mean I don`t trust Boehner on Republicans are willing to jettison these
workers and unfortunately.


BROWN: Too many Democrats are trusting him.

SCHULTZ: So, do you think President Obama is going to move forward if
there`s no TAA? Do you think that he want this trade deal so bad that he`s
going to possibly, you know, Republicans -- from a public have given us no
reason to believe what they say. OK.

BROWN: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: And so number one, where is the President going to land on this?
And number two, just what kind of a package are we talking about?

BROWN: I met with some labor department people today and asked them to
convince the President and others in the administration put the same effort
into the minimum wage, in enforcement of overtime. And creating, building
trades, jobs and many other jobs in the highway bill to put that same
effort into that as the President and his allies and the administration put
into TPA. I don`t know if the President will sign this without TAA. I
don`t know. Somebody`s got to have the conversation with him before they
vote on it in the House.

SCHULTZ: Well, I think the President will make a statement about it, where
he stands on this. I mean, that this -- every union in this country did
not want to go down this road. And now here we are. And I want to point
out in your state of Ohio, a new poll out shows Ted Strickland with a 6
point lead over Senator Rob Portman. And this has been a big issue in your
state. What do you make of this number (inaudible)?

BROWN: It`s a huge issue in the state. And I think that when you contrast
Senator Portman has been a free trade cheerleader all his career. He was
actually head of the U.S. trade reps office. Governor Strickland has been
opposed to these trade agreements and stood with me against CAFTA, and
against NAFTA, against PNTR with China.


BROWN: And that contrast in Ohio is pretty sharp and we try a lot (ph) the
Republican leader one said "You don`t past a trade agreement in even
numbered of year". Of course you don`t because the public doesn`t like
these trade agreements and I just don`t believe that Democrats are trusting
John Boehner to fix any of this.

SCHULTZ: Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio. I appreciate your time tonight.
Thank so much.

For more let me bring in Larry Cohen former President of the Communication
of Workers of America who is leading the coalition to fight Fast-Track,
also with us tonight Jim Keady who is the Director of Educating for Justice
who just got back from Vietnam. Jim, we`ll start with you. What did you
hear, what did you see in Vietnam?

JIM KEADY, EDUCATING FOR JUSTICE: Yeah, I spent the last week of May in
Vietnam. I did a project in collaboration with Senator Sanders`s office.
You know, the President held up Nike is the example of the free trade and
why the TPP should be push and we should have more companies like Nike
doing what they do. So I wanted to go firsthand and meet with workers
there. I had done labor rights advocacy with Nike workers in Indonesia for
15 years. I knew the lay of the land in Southeast Asia.

When I got there I was shocked at the dislocation of the underground labor
movement with what is going on with the international trade union movement.
There is no infrastructure. There is no funding. There are no independent
trade unions. It is illegal to form unions. Some of the men that I met
with, their colleagues have been jailed. There was a guy I met with just
gotten out of a 5 year jail sentence for handing out a flyer asking for a
free and open election. Even when this deal goes through, which
unfortunately it looks like it`s going to happen. And the president is
saying that workers in Vietnam will have a chance to have independent trade
unions. There`s no infrastructure to help them do that.

SCHULTZ: And there`s no record of their lives in that part of the country
getting better because of any trade deal.

KEADY: Absolutely not. You know, we use Indonesia as an example in using
Nike workers there as the President did. In my 15 years in doing working
in Indonesia. The spending power for workers has not increased in that 15
year arc. Even though their wages had go up, when you paid against
inflation they`re actually making less now in terms of what they can buy in
local marketplace than they did 15 years ago. And this is one of the myths
that the market fundamentalists tells us, right. The idea is you lower the
barriers to trade, you pumping the foreign direct investment. The rising
tide going to lifts all ships. These poor people get jobs, corporations
get more profits and as consumers we`re suppose to get cheaper products.
Well, have your Nike`s got any cheaper in the last 15 years.

SCHULTZ: No, you know that.

KEADY: And Nike`s revenues have gone up from a couple hundred million to
$27 billion last year. And they can buy a lot of political influence with
that. And that`s the concern I think every Democrats in the country needs
to have that our Democrats for the most part unfortunately have been bought
and sold by these corporations.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Cohen your reaction to that comment bought and sold?

LARRY COHEN, FMR CWA PRESIDENT: Well, I think first of all as Senator
Brown said two-thirds of Senate Democrats, 85 percent in the House are
voting no. The real question is where is the White House? And what`s
happened to them racing to the bottom? And where is the other third of the
Democrats in the House that three of them could have blocked this today.
And more over, why do we have Fast-Track. None of the other 12 nations
have Fast-Track. Why do we need secrecy at the highest level when in all
the other countries the Congress gets to read the agreement before they
Fast-Track it. If they don`t Fast-Track it at all.

SCHULTZ: So, how much of a disappointment is this on labor`s part and the
action by President Obama? This is -- certainly he didn`t campaign on
this. And the entire 2012 reelection campaign, the focal point was
outsourcing jobs. And this deal if it comes down, the TPP is going to be
bad trade deals on steroids. How could he get it so wrong? And where does
this leave labor?

COHEN: Well, so number one, labor is part of a massive coalition of
millions. And the good news here is that coalition is bigger, stronger,
made more of a difference state likes North Carolina where five members of
the House voted no. That was way beyond labor. That civil rights labor
together, faith-based groups. That coalition is massive, it`s going to
grow and the President has raised expectations. So wait till we see the
TPP and learn that there`s nothing much new it like Senator Sanders said
and there`s going to be rage across the country and we`ll bring that on
first of all to our supporters to help them and second of all to our
opponents to say to them you stood on the wrong side. You knew what you
were doing and we`re not going forget it.

SCHULTZ: And do you trust Boehner and McConnell that they`re going to
deliver a bill with Trade Adjustment Assistance.

COHEN: No, I don`t think they have the majority in their own caucus to do
it. And more over to those Democrats who voted yes today on culture.
They`re voting for a customs bill that attacks immigrants that denies
climate change and it says the anti-slavery provisions of the originate
Senate bill from two weeks ago will no longer prevail. The question is
when well those Democrats hold on to anything except for what the
corporation and the White House tell them.

SCHULTZ: So, do you think that President Obama will move forward with this
trade deal without TAA?

COHEN: I hope he doesn`t. Because he absolutely committed that he
wouldn`t. So that remains to be seen. And sticking it in the Africa trade
agreement that everybody supported is a cynical thing to do. And I know
that many members of the black caucus are outraged. So are we. Labor
supported the Africa trade agreement. It would have passed without Fast-
Track easily.

SCHULTZ: All right, Larry Cohen, Jim Keady great to have with us tonight.
This story is a long way from being over.

Still to come, Bernie Sanders is drawing record crowds but it is not
translating to the polls. Do the polls really matter, the way they`re
conducted? The Senator joins me on crowd reaction and the problem with
polling ahead.

Stay with us. We`ll be right back. Look at that crowd. I`m jumping up
and down.


SCHULTZ: Here are the numbers in the results of tonight`s Bing Pulse Poll.
Question, "Is it enough to take down the confederate flag?" 4 percent of
you say "Yes". 96 percent of you overwhelmingly say "No".

A lot more has to be done. Keep on voting until the end of the hour t at We`re coming right back.


SCHULTZ: And in tonight`s Two-Minute Drill, quarterback Tom Brady is
trying to take some air out of his Deflategate suspension. Patriot
quarterback was suspended by the league for four games after the Wells
report found that Brady was generally at least generally aware of the
scheme to deflate footballs last year. Brady made his case today at the
NFL headquarters here in New York on Park Avenue. Brady entered through
the side door greeted by a crowd of media and some supporters. Brady he`s
lawyers and representatives from the players union met with Commissioner
Roger Goodell earlier today to present their case.

Ted Wells, the author of the report, also attended the meeting. Sources
tell NBC News Brady testified under oath at the meeting. A league
spokesman denied reports saying that Brady`s team had four hours to present
their case. ESPN reports Patriots owner Robert Kraft sent an affidavit to
the league supporting the Super Bowl MVP. They`ll can uphold the
suspension, reduce it or vacate.

Brady suspension all together, there`s no word on when Goodell the
commissioner would make a decision if there`s going to be one.

Stick around, lot more coming up on the Ed Show. We`ll be right back with
Bernie Sanders.


SCHULTZ: And we are back. New polling from NBC and Wall Street Journal
shows Hillary Clinton leading Bernie Sanders by 60 points. She holds
support of 75 percent of the Democratic field. Senator Bernie Sanders
brought Colorado residents out in droves on Saturday. Sanders hosted one
of the largest presidential rallies of the 2016 election cycle despite
remaining in second place and distant in the polls. The Des Moines
register has Sanders at 16 percent to Hillary Clinton`s 57 percent in Iowa.
New Hampshire shows Hillary Clinton with 10 point lead over Sanders.
Clinton nearly beat -- narrowly beat Sanders in a Wisconsin straw poll.
Bernie Sanders` supporters don`t see him as a second-place guy. The story
comes down to I guess who do you believe, polls or people?

The New York Times called out the problems with polling in a Sunday opinion
piece. They wrote the growth of cellphones and decline in people willing
to answer surveys has put election polling in "Near crisis". Polling is
expensive and many organizations must compromise their sample because of
budget constraints. Polling puts Hillary in the number one slot, no doubt
about it. But the people put Bernie Sanders much closer than so many
points behind.

Joining me tonight Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, candidate for
president. Senator, always a pleasure. First all your strategy, you`re on
a lot of shows, not only this one, but many shows across the spectrum. Is
this the strategy? Is this what it`s going to take? Is this part of your
strategy to do this?

SANDERS: Well, look, Ed, given my politics over the years, it`s been hard
for us to get on network television, by the way. And you have been very
kind that I appreciate it because I`m on your show a lot. But our main
strategy is basically going out to the American people. We`ve been having
many, many town meetings. As you`ve indicated, just we`ve had
extraordinary turnouts and enthusiastic crowds all over this country.

SCHULTZ: So the pictures we`re showing right now, you in Denver over the
weekend, it doesn`t look like you`re 60 points behind.

SANDERS: No. By the way, we`re not 60 points behind. There`s no question
but that Hillary Clinton is ahead of us. I think the gap is narrowing. I
think that poll is very different than other polls that I`ve seen. If you
look at New Hampshire, if you look at Iowa, the numbers are closer and
we`re gaining momentum.

SCHULTZ: Well, I`ve been accused of jumping up -- or should I say
described as jumping up and down for Bernie Sanders. One of the reasons is
I don`t see any Republicans getting 5,000 people at events. I mean,
obviously, what you`re saying, folks are buying early on. So much that the
ready for Warren group, the group that officially wanted to get Elizabeth
Warren to run for president, they`ve endorsed you. What`s your reaction?

SANDERS: Well, we`re really very grateful for that. Elizabeth Warren is a
good friend of mine. She`s been a great United States senator. We agree
on virtually all of the issues. And what we understand is that in America
there`s something fundamentally wrong when the great middle class of this
country is disappearing, when 99 percent of all new income is going to the
top 1 percent and when the top 0.1 percent owns almost as much wealth as
the bottom 90 percent. That`s not America.

SCHULTZ: But Senator, what does it mean that this group is supporting you?

SANDERS: It means that we`re going to get a lot of energy from a lot of
people all over this country. And I think they understand that we`re going
to be raising many of the same issues that Elizabeth Warren has.

SCHULTZ: Do you anticipate that any of your colleagues in the United
States Senate will endorse you?

SANDERS: Yeah, I think a few. But not a whole lot. You know, I think
most of them will end up being part of the Democratic establishment and
supporting Secretary Clinton.

SCHULTZ: Shifting gear, what happened in the Senate today? You took to
the floor and called it a lousy deal. What`s the recourse now?

SANDERS: We`ll see what we can do in the next day or so and we`ll see
what`s going to go on in the House. But there`s no question that today was
a major setback and a real defeat. Look, Ed, you know, when virtually
every major corporation, Wall Street and the drug companies want something,
they usually get it. And they got almost all the Republican votes and they
got too many Democrat votes and I think it`s a sad day for the American
worker. Because this trade agreement is a continuation of other disastrous
trade agreements that have cost us millions of jobs. It should not be

SCHULTZ: Do you think that the President will go forward with this trade
agreement if TAA, Trade Adjustment Assistance, isn`t delivered to him?

SANDERS: Well, I think he`s indicated that he would not, and I think that
is one of the game plans left is to, you know, to see what we can do about
that. What can I tell you? I just hope that he doesn`t. And we`ll see
what happens.

SCHULTZ: OK. Senator Bernie Sanders, always a pleasure. Good to have you
with us tonight, sir. Thanks so much.

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.

PoliticsNation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.


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