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Date: June 30, 2015
Guest: Jim Keady, Bob Shrum, Ruth Conniff, Corey Hebert

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from Detroit Lakes, Minnesota.

Let`s get to work.


SCHULTZ: Tonight, born to run.

CHRIS CHRISTIE, (R) NEW JERSEY: I am proud to announce my candidacy after
seven years of a weak and feckless foreign policy run by Barack Obama, we
better not turn it over to his second mate Hillary Clinton. You`re going
to get what I think whether you like it or not.

SCHULTZ: Plus, GOP round up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush is planning today to
release 33 years of his personal tax returns.

DONALD TRUMP, GOP PRESIDENCIAL CANDIDATE 2016: I have to tell the truth.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R) TEXAS: I like Donald Trump. I think he`s terrific. I
think he`s brash. I think he speaks the truth.

SCHULTZ: Swing in kah-ching.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is Phil Mickelson connected to an illegal gambling
operation that takes that off sporting event?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not Mickelson first alleged involvement an
illegal money deal.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.
More personality just got injected into the Republican field today. New
Jersey governor Chris Christie finally threw his hat in the ring.


CHRISTIE: We have to stop worrying about being loved and start caring
about being respected again, both at home and around the world. I am not
running for president of the United States as a surrogate for being elected
prom king of America.


SCHULTZ: Christie kicked off his campaign at his high school gymnasium in
Livingston, New Jersey as a student at the school. He was elected class
president. Christie felt at home today and spoke off the cuff with his
signature blustery rhetoric.


CHRISTIE: When I stand up on a stage like this in front of all of you
there is one thing you will know for sure. I mean what I say and I say
what I mean and that`s what America needs right now.


SCHULTZ: Is it fair to say that Chris Christie has a combative reputation?
But today the governor stressed the importance of working together in


CHRISTIE: Both parties have failed our country. Both parties have stood
in the corner and held their breath and waited to get their way. And both
parties have led us to believe that in America, and a country that was
built on compromise that somehow now compromise is a dirty word. We have
no choice but to work together. This country needs to work together again,
not against each other.


SCHULTZ: Now this is interesting. It`s Chris Christie ripping on
Republicans here? I mean, I can interpret that sound bite as he did not
believe that Mitch McConnell should have given us a record number of
filibusters. The governor promoting a getting along narrative but not
everybody bought into it hook, line and sinker. The Democratic mayor of
Livingston New Jersey thought Chris Christie missed a big opportunity to
practice what he`s been preaching. He left the fellow Livingston high
school grad off the guess list.


MAYOR MICHAEL M. SILVERMAN, (D) LIVINGSTON NY: The governor always wanted
to be one that known to cross the -- party lines to have conversation.
This is one time where I think a mistake happened. Just didn`t invite us.
I don`t know if that was deliberate or not. But hurt and insulted is
probably the phrase that`s been used the most today that we`ve heard.
Disappointed is a big one too.


SCHULTZ: It is fair and accurate to say that Governor Christie has no
experience or expertise in the field of education. Now, this is a governor
who has fired 6,000 teachers. Christie chose a public school for his big
announcement and touted education as a priority?


CHRISTIE: We made the hard decisions that had to be made to improve our
education system. We reformed tenure for the first time in 105 years, we
made the difficult decisions to reform pensions and health benefits and
continue that fight today.


SCHULTZ: Christie has picked fights with educators around the state for
years. The governor openly fought the teachers union and stripped away
their pensions. Demonstrators from the teachers union gathered outside the
kickoff event to call him out on his record. A schoolteacher at Livingston
high school said Christie had a lot of nerve showing up this with


PAUL RAIZ, TEACHER LIVING HIGH SCHOOL: I`m a proud Livingston high school
teacher and proud of our districts and I`m proud of our along (ph) but, you
know, this is one along (ph) that really hadn`t lived up to he`s reputation
of the kids we teach here and the families that we teach this district.
He`s, you know, really lied to public and especially teachers about their


SCHULTZ: Despite protesters lining the grounds outside the gymnasium, many
New Jersey residents lauded his appeal. Supporters believe Christie`s run
gives a boost to New Jersey.


VICTORIA VESCE, NEW JERSEY RESIDENT: My family and I are here to support
Governor Christie in his run for the president because we think he tells it
like it is.

ANNE COLL, NEW JERSEY RESIDENT: As far as him telling it like it is, I
don`t feel he cuts people off. He takes no non sense.

IMAM MUSTAFA EL-AMIN, NEW JERSEY RESIDENT: It`s an honorable thing to have
someone running from our state. It can only be beneficial.

NEAL TEICHER, NEW JERSEY RESIDENT: It`s spectacular to be a local resident
when the sitting governor is announcing his presidential candidacy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think he`s going to go all the way.

VESCE: He`s run the state so well. We need somebody for the country.

EL-AMIN: He`s quite eloquent. I think once they get the debates going and
see how he handles himself in the debates I think his numbers will go

COLL: We don`t need pandering. We need people that will follow our


SCHULTZ: Some residency see Christie`s persona as the benefit. Christie`s
national profile is largely shaped by his blunt personality, along with the
George Washington Bridge scandal known as Bridgegate. One supporter says
the incident doesn`t blemish his record at all.


EL-AMIN: I most certainly believe that Governor qualified because of his
strength that he has demonstrated in several ways. One in particular, the
Bridgegate. There will be difficulties like Bridgegate has been a
difficulty for him but he stayed focus and still he`s running for president
of the United States.


SCHULTZ: So if you are scoring at home, Chris Christie is the 14th
Republican to enter the race for president. The latest NBC News Wall
Street Journal poll found 55 percent of Republican primary voters said they
couldn`t see themselves supporting the governor from New Jersey.
Christie`s approval ratings numbers are at all time seating at 30 percent
in the state of New Jersey. Christie has an uphill battle ahead of him but
in one of those sounds bite we just played there was reference to a debate.

Is it too much for all of us in the media to at least ask the networks to
make sure the Chris Christie and Donald Trump are side by side at least the
first debate?

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Do you think Chris Christie`s personality is an asset to his
campaign? Go to to cast your vote. We`ll bring the
result to the next segment of this program.

Let me bring in Jonathan Alter tonight, who was at the announcement, MSNBC
political analyst and also with us Jim Keady candidate for New Jersey
assembly, gentlemen great to have you with us tonight


SCHULTZ: Jonathan, you first. What was special or different or unique
about today`s announcement as opposed to the rest of the field?

ALTER: Well, it was actually a strong announcement. In the same way that,
you know, Ted Cruz`s was when he announced his campaign. It was
interesting that like Cruz there was no prepared text, which is the new
thing in he`s announcements to operate from talking points or out of your
head. But, you know, his stump speech is pretty well developed now and it`s
pretty compelling unless you know some of the facts about life in New
Jersey as I do as the New Jersey resident.

You know, so he says that his slogan is he`ll tell it like it is. It is
really more like he`ll sell it like it isn`t. I mean, you can go down
through almost everything he said and the record belies it. And we can get
in he`s specifics if you want to. But, you know, what is going to happen
with him. And I think he could do well. He will likely do well in these
debates. Is that you are going to see him bedeviled all the way down the
road with whether he kept his promises in New Jersey, whether he told the
truth in New Jersey.

There is a story in the local paper this morning documenting all of his
lies, as the columnist calls it. So today we`re going to see the beginning
of an accountability effort by those who oppose him in New Jersey. And I
think a lot of people in the press to show that, you know, he really is not
as straight a shooter as he would have the American public believe.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Well, I think my interpretation is correct. He was
ripping on Republicans there in a very indirect way.

ALTER: That`s a (inaudible).

SCHULTZ: You know, talking about compromise. And saying we got to
compromise. This is one thing that the Republicans have done for the last
six years is try to stop everything and not compromise on anything. So
how`s that going to be received, Jonathan?

ALTER: Well, I think it actually that was a strong part of his
announcement. There is a thirst for compromise now. Even the Republicans
are starting to do it. You know they just worked with President Obama on
trade and there have been some other issues where they have compromised. I
think we are past this Tea Party moment, where the far right wingers in the
Republican Party were calling the tune and forcing the leadership not to

So in that sense his timing is good. But the idea of him being a, you
know, conciliatory figure is just laughable after you watch what...

SCHULTZ: Well, that`s my.

ALTER: ... he`s done in New Jersey and the polarizing.


ALTER: Kind of governor that he has been. And 30 percent is pretty low.
There are an awful lot of people who voted for Chris Christie in New Jersey
and now seriously regret it. And so this will test whether, you know, his
lack of popularity in the state. And it will go up some because he`s
running for president.


ALTER: But he will still be well under 50 percent. Whether that has any
bearing at all whether people think he`d be a good president.

SCHULTZ: Jim Keady, do you believe Christie is in sincere in his quest for
compromise in trying to steer the Republicans into doing deals with the
other side? The Democrats? I mean, is there any record or showing
whatsoever that he`s worked with Democrats on the state level in New

JIM KEADY, CANDIDATE FOR NJ ASEEMBLY: Absolutely not. You know, the
governor consistently has his reality doesn`t match his rhetoric. If you
want to talk about compromise, we have the major pension crisis in the
state of New Jersey. The unions came to the bargaining table. They sat
down with Governor Christie. They said they were willing to make
compromises, they were willing to make concessions and the governor`s part
of that deal was to deliver on the $7.25 billion payments to get the
pension fund solvent again.

He welched on the deal. So you had people that were willing to compromise.
The Democrats came to the table, labor came and the governor didn`t
deliver. You know, he had very good stuff in his speech today. The only
problem is that Chris Christie isn`t the guy that can deliver on that


KEADY: You know he`s talking about national issues. He`s talking about
the economy and recession. New Jersey`s only recovered 67 percent of the
jobs that we lost in the recession. You know talking about unemployment
rate the national level. We in New Jersey rank 7th or 8th national in
terms of highest unemployment. Our credit rating has been downgraded nine
times. He talks about a crisis and leadership in Washington. We`ve got
one in New Jersey. As Jonathan said he`s approval ratings are at 30


KEADY: If he wants to do the things he talked about in his speech today,
do them in New Jersey. Because the people of New Jersey elected you to do
that job. And instead of being in gymnasium.

SCHULTZ: So who is -- Jonathan, who is his base? Who does he appeal to in
the Republican Party?

ALTER: Oh he`s got a base. You know, there are a lot of Republicans who
vote in northeastern blue states in those primaries and they`re not all
super conservative. So what you`re going to get this year Ed is two tiers
of candidates. The Iowa caucuses are mostly going to be about whose going
to be the very conservative candidate? You know, will it be Ted Cruz or
Rand Paul? Who`s going to kind of win in that group?

And then in New Hampshire it is going Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, John Kasich
and Marco Rubio for the kind of somewhat conservative maybe slightly more
moderate on some issues candidate.


ALTER: And then you will probably see the winner of those two, you know,
divisions squaring offer in the later primaries. So Christie is running a
New Hampshire campaign. He`s been up there a lot. It`s kind of to me the
idea that he was in 37 states last year as he announced today.


ALTER: When New Jersey is falling apart is almost disqualifying on its
face. But you`re going to see him in New Hampshire again deserting the
people of New Jersey as he goes up there over and over again. He`s not
really running against Ted Cruz and the far right candidates. He is
running against the guys more like him, the governors, like Bush and

SCHULTZ: Yeah, he comes across as to love him or hate him kind of
candidate. I mean, the people who do like Christie are really in the camp.
The people who do like him just the folks that were run into today over his
announcement are like that. Is polarizing the right word and now he`s
trying to mix it all up and trying to smooth over everything?

Jim, what about that? I mean, you talk to Democrats in New Jersey. They
simply do not like this guy. They don`t trust him. And his record shows
that he`s got to have to do some real bamboozling on the national scene to
make people think he`s going to operate that way if he gets to the White

KEADY: I can speak from my own personal experience. So back in October I
challenged the governor at one of his town hall meetings about the pace of
Hurricane Sandy recovery. You know, at the time there were thousands of
families that were not back home. The money was unaccounted for. Even
just this past Sunday the Star-Ledger ran a front-page a story saying there
are 9,000 Sandy families that aren`t back home.

SCHULTZ: Yeah, well.

KEADY: The governor`s response to me was to sit down and shut up. Here he
is in his speech today saying when he`s compromised, we need to work
together. Saying he loves all Americans. That hey, you know, we may have
differences but we got to share difficult truths. Well governor I shared a
difficult truth with you. Your program was failing. There was no fiscal
accountability and your response to me was to sit down and shut up.

SCHULTZ: All right.

KEADY: I don`t think that`s going -- I didn`t play well in New Jersey.
It`s not going to play well in United States of America.

ALTER: It`s great at first, Ed. You know, it is very appealing for that.
Because it`s satisfying. But it wares off. And pretty soon you kind of
go, you know.


ALTER: That`s not presidential to say sit down and shut up. Do we really
want that?


ALTER: As part of our politics. He`s going to try to avoid saying it but
he won`t be able to because that who he is.

SCHULTZ: It`s got to be Christie and Trump side by side in this Republican
debates. I mean, that is the entertainment. Jonathan Alter, Jim Keady,
great to have you with us tonight. I appreciate the discussion.

Remember to answer our question at We`ll have results
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Coming up Rand Paul meets up with remember this guys? Cliven Bundy. We`ll
look why Rand Paul might not want the radical rancher`s endorsement.

And later, Jeb Bush goes real transparent. Bush is releasing more than
three decades of tax returns. Mitt Romney, this is how you should have
done it. Rapid Response Panel weighs in on the latest moves from the
Republican hopeful.

Stay with us. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: And the numbers are coming in. Here`s where we stand on
tonight`s Bing Pulse Poll. Tonight question, "Do you think Chris
Christie`s personality is an asset to his campaign?"

3 percent of you say "Yes. 97 percent of you, you`re not buying it. Keep
voting throughout the hour at

We`re coming right back. More on the Ed Show. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: And we`re back on the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight on
Monday. Presidential hopeful Rand Paul met with free loading Nevada
rancher Cliven Bundy. Remember him? The associated press reports Paul met
with Bundy at a campaign event in Mesquite, Nevada. About 50 supporter and
activist should up to talk about land rights. He won the Bernie Sanders
meeting. It`s a heated topic in Nevada where roughly 80 percent of the
state is own by the federal government. In an interview with the
associated press, Rand Paul said "I think almost all land use issues and
animal issues, endangered species issues ought to be handled at the state
level. I think that the government shouldn`t interfere with state

Now remember Cliven Bundy and he`s supporters were responsible for this
seen in April of 2014 armed militia-men from around the county got an armed
stand off with BLM agents after their confiscated Bundy`s cattle. Bundy
still owes the Bureau of Land Management more than $1 million in grazing
fees he`s racked up over the last 20 years.

Now, just last week Interior Secretary Sally Jewell said that Bundy will
eventually be held accountable, whatever that means. Bundy is now in Rand
Paul`s corner. Bundy told the associated press on Monday, "In general I
think we`re in tune with each other. I don`t think we need to ask
Washington D.C. for this land. It is our land."

Rand Paul should be pretty careful about who he decides to hang out with.
At least maybe Sarah Palin is paying attention to that. It`s not just the
standoff, Cliven Bundy shock the country with these statements a few weeks
after he got his cattle back.


CLIVEN BUNDY, SOUTHERN NEVADA RANCHER: I want to tell you one thing I know
about the Negro. When I go to North Las Vegas and I see these little
government houses and in front of the government house the door was usually
open and the older people and the kids. And there is always at least a
half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn`t have nothing to do.
They didn`t have nothing for their kids do. They didn`t have nothing for
their young girls to do. And because they were basically on government
subsidy, so now what do they do? They abort their young children. They
put their young men in jail because they never learned how to pick cotton.
And I`ve often wondered are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and
having family life and doing things, or are they better off under
government subsidy. They didn`t get no more freedom. They got less


SCHULTZ: For someone trying to gain support among African-American
voters, Rand Paul should have never met with Cliven Bundy, the tape that
ideology is just totally damaging.

For more let me bring in Michael Eric Dyson MSNBC Political Analyst and
Professor at Georgetown University. Professor, good to have you with us
tonight. How bad does this look for Rand Paul right now? How bad does
this look for Rand Paul? Does he have to disqualify Bundy at any level?

bit upset a few weeks ago when I said that in one moment Rand Paul can
sound like Gnome Chomsky and another level he can sound like George
Wallace. This is the George Wallace moment. Because what he has done is
made a political calculation. What I gain with my libertarian politics by
appealing to an antigovernment philosophy that suggests I`m league with
Cliven Bundy and there`s militia-men because they have unpaid grazing fees
and want state ownership, you know, released local ownership release. They
want private ownership of those lands.

He figures that he gains more by siding with Cliven Bundy than by being
opposed to his victoria holic (ph) viewpoints and racist beliefs. And you
would think Rand Paul would be a bit more careful in the aftermath of what
happened in Charleston and the nation`s swing against confederate flags and
other symptoms of racial animus in this country. Nothing more clearly
states that Rand Paul is out of tune than his forging connections again
with Cliven Bundy.

SCHULTZ: I mean this is a kind of thing that can haunt somebody on the
campaign trail. Rand Paul has been trying to connect with African-American
voters. How far does this set him back in your opinion?

DYSON: A long way. I mean, there is no explaining this away. And what
he`s done again, the political calculation is this. What I can gain by
appealing to the Cliven Bundys of the world, I don`t mind sacrificing the
African-American vote that might be attracted to me. Now, I know that is
not what he consciously says and he attempts to reach out to African-
American people. But this is a deal breaker. When you forge connections
and build links with a man who has expressed the kind of reprehensible and
reactionary viewpoints that Cliven Bundy has expressed, you are not serious
about building connections with African-American people and appealing to us
either as an individual or as a party.

SCHULTZ: All right. Now do we cut any slack at all to Rand Paul here?
And I ask this question, if you are going into a room and people are paying
attention to what you are saying and there are only 50 of you and one of
them happens to be Cliven Bundy and you end up talking to him, it is not
exactly a resounding endorsement of everybody that is in the room. But it
would seem to me that if this is the kind of people that -- if this is the
kind of people that Rand Paul is attracting, I think he still -- there has
to be a distinction of philosophy here. Does Rand Paul have to speak up
about Cliven Bundy in your opinion? As a black man, does he have to speak
up, it be very clear on where he stands.

DYSON: Absolutely. But you have made a brilliant distinction Ed. That on
the one hand there`s the kind of symbolic representation by forging links
with this guys. By appearing in a photo with him, he knows what that
signal will be.


DYSON: Because these politicians are very, very serious and very
definitive and they are also very intentional. So they know what happens
when the picture gets out. That is number one. But number two, you are
absolutely right. It is not that we have to indict him so much because
Cliven Bundy is there. It is the kind of people he`s appealing to and the
kind of outreach he`s making in the name of libertarian ethic that is used
on the one hand, you know, the big government of the liberals but at the
same time you are embracing figures who are very problematic when it comes
to forging consensus and building unity across the races in this nation.

SCHULTZ: All right, Professor Michael Eric Dyson, always good to have you
with us.

DYSON: Thank you my friend.

SCHULTZ: Here on the Ed Show. I appreciate your time tonight. You bet.

DYSON: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Scott Walker`s budget bummer could mean big trouble for his 2016
chances. At least they are on hold now because of the budget. Rapid
Response Panel weighs in on that and more from the Republican field. And
more fall out from the Upstate New York prison escape. We`ll have new
details on why a dozen prison employees are now on administrative leave.

Stay with us. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: And we`re back on the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight. New
developments in the investigation into the Upstate New York prison break.
12 employees including the superintendent of the Clinton Correctional
Facility have been placed on administrative leave. The suspensions are
related to the investigation surrounding Richard Matt and David Sweat
escape. Sweat spoke to authorities from his hospital bed. Albany Medical
Center has upgraded Sweat`s condition to fair. He revealed some details
about their original escape plan.

NBC News has confirmed through the local district attorney Sweat and Matt
conducted a dry run the night before their escape. Corrections Officer
Gene Palmer was back in court Monday. He was charged with promoting prison
contraband and tampering with evidence. NBC News has obtained paintings
created by escape prison of Richard Matt for Gene Palmer.

The Clinton County DA says Sweat has only implicated Joyce Mitchell, the
female prison employee charged with helping the men escape.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He called the investigators were Joyce Mitchell he and


SCHULTZ: Let me bring in MSNBC reporter Adam Reiss he is in Dannemora, New
York. Adam, good to have you with us tonight. What do we know about these
individuals who have been placed on administrative leave?

ADAM REISS, MSNBC DANNEMORA NY: Well Ed, now that the manhunt is over
heads are starting to roll here at the Clinton Correctional Facility.
Three members of the executive team, including the superintendent have been
placed on leave, including nine members of the security team. They have
all been placed on leave. In the meantime they`ll bring in a new team to
run the jail. Officials in Albany, all the way up to the governor,
outraged about the breeches of protocol here with Joyce Mitchell`s alleged
sexual affair, Gene Palmer exchanging tools for artwork. Everything that
went on here just outraged at these breeches of protocol, Ed.

SCHULTZ: What else has David Sweat, if anything, told the authorities from
his bedside?

REISS: Oh he`s telling them a lot. He`s told them today according to two
investigators telling NBC News that he eluded police on a number of
occasions. One time the border police surrounded the two of them they were
able to escape. Another time they came upon a sheriff`s deputy and Richard
Matt fell over, made a noise, again they were able to escape. And finally
as you mentioned earlier the night before the escape they made their way
through the catwalk, through the pipes. They actually stuck their heads
outside of the manhole cover. But that was just dry run Ed.

SCHULTZ: OK, Adam Reiss reporting from Dannemora New York tonight. I
appreciate that so much.

Stick around. The Rapid Response Panel has the Republican Party round up
next. We`ll be right back.

Market Wrap.

Stock post modest gain after Monday Steve (ph) selloff. The DOW is up 23,
the S&P adds 5, the NASDAQ climbs 28.

Worries persist about Greece debt crisis. The country faces $1.7 billion
payment to the IMF due at 6:00 p.m. Eastern Time. With no sign they`ll be
making that payment. Greek market remains close today alone with its

Here in the U.S. consumer confidence grows more than expected in June and
home prices rose nearly 5 percent in April on a year over year basis.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Some folks are now defending Donald
Trump`s outrageous comments on immigration. For instance, Sean Hannity.
On Monday Hannity stuck up from Trump with here radio show.


SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS RADIO HOST: We`ve got a problem in this country.
If he can make that statement and CNN refers to it as "Racially-tinged,"
because (inaudible) play this on TV floor to ceiling drugs confiscated by
people crossing our southern boarder. You want to talk about crime? Well,
what do you think, you know, who`s coming from Latin America and Mexico?
Are they rich, successful Mexicans, Nicaraguans, El Salvador residents?
No. Why would they leave if they`re so successful?"

SCHULTZ: Hannity of course doesn`t want to outdone. Ted Cruz has this to
say about Trumps comments earlier today.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Should he apologize for something he said.

CRUZ: I don`t think you should apologize for speaking out against the
problem that is illegal immigration. I recognize that the P.C. world and
they don`t want to admit it. But the American people are fed up. Now
listen we`re also a nation of immigrants and we should celebrate.


CRUZ: Legal immigrants. But Donald Trump is exactly right to highlight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are they mostly drug dealer and rapist that are coming
cross the boarder?

CRUZ: All right, look, their not mostly that. But Donald Trump he has a
way of speaking that gets attention. And I credit him.


CRUZ: For focuses on issue that needs to be focused.


SCHULTZ: Other news today from the rest of the Republican field, Jeb Bush
is planning to release 33 years of he`s tax returns. It is a move to
demonstrate his commitment to transparency. The Bush campaign notes this
is the most disclosure from any presidential candidate in U.S. history.
It`s a far cry from where Mitt Romney ran in 2012. There`s no doubt about

In Wisconsin, Scott Walker`s got problems. Scott Walker budget deadline is
tomorrow. Walker wants to run for president but his own state has been
standing in his way. The governor promised not to announce his candidacy
until legislators in the state came to a budget agreement.


GOV. SCOTT WALKER (R) WISCONSIN: I haven`t made an announcement yet and
won`t until after our budget is done at the end of this month, which
hopefully we`ll get our fifth and six year of property taxes going down
from when I first started taking office.


SCHULTZ: The governor wants to add $1.3 billion a debt to the Wisconsin
budget to pay for infrastructure projects. Wisconsin Republicans, well,
they are not having it. 33 Republican lawmakers signed a letter rejecting
Walker`s proposal. Walker ruled out raising taxes to pay for road and
bridge repairs. It wouldn`t fit with his conservative message.


WALKER: We`ve cut taxes. I mentioned that before but we went big involve
there as well. We reduced taxes by $2 billion in the hard working
taxpayers on our state. In fact we lowered taxes on employers on
individuals and property. We`re going to keep lowering taxes because we
understand it`s the people`s money not the government`s money. That`s the
difference between the Wisconsin way and the Washington way.


SCHULTZ: Walker is ready to let his presidential platform be crushed and
crush his responsibilities in Wisconsin? How is that going to play out?
Is this pushing the clock back? Does he know he has all the support he`s
going to need once he announces? Is it political Russian roulette?

Joining me our Rapid Response Panel Bob Shrum Democratic strategist and
Warsaw Professor of politics are USC, Ruth Conniff Editor-in Chief of the
Progressive Magazine, great to have both of with us tonight.

We`ll start with Walker. Ruth, how much of a problem is this for Walker
with Republicans in Wisconsin when you know he`s just looking at that big
north star to be the president of the United States?

RUTH CONNIFF, THE PROGRESSIVE MAGAZINE: Well, I think the problem is that
the Republicans here know that that`s where he`s looking. He is not here
and the things he`s proposing are bad for Wisconsin legislator`s
constituents. So there was a huge rally at the capitol today by people
defending public education. Do not want to see these great bit cuts to
public schools that Walker has proposed. He wants to cut and cut and cut.
Cut our university systems, cut our public school and the people who remain
here in office are going to have deal with the blow black from that.

So, there`s a lot of fighting going on. There`s a lot of fighting over
spending $500 million, half of it the taxpayers money. On this new
basketball stadium in Milwaukee. You know, people don`t want do this, they
don`t want o have a bunch of road projects that are basically unfounded
mandate because it would look for Walker to raise a few taxes to actually
cover the cost. So, these are major sticking points. And midnight tonight
is the deadline. We`re going to sail right through it and Walker is not
going to be able to say he got his budget done in time. And not going to
be able to say that he created 250,000 new jobs which is as big campaign
promise and he fell way short of that.


CANNIFF: Less than half of that numbers were actually created. You know
he`s got problem. He`s got a big deficit he`s got fill. You know, it
supposed to be a billion dollar surplus he claimed. $2 million deficits
instead, it`s all bad for him.

SCHULTZ: It is bad for him. And Bob, are we getting a snapshot that if
Scott Walker was president this is how it would look when it comes to
Congress? I mean, he is showing at least from my perspective the guy can`t

BOB SHRUM, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: I think that`s right and, you know, the
Republicans out there have written him a letter. I guess the Speaker of
the House saying "You need to come back and solve this problem". Well, the
truth is that is like asking Nero to come back to Rome to put out the
fires. He created these problems as Ruth just outlined. He likes to go
around bragging that somehow or other he can lead and govern in a blue
state. He can`t even get along with his own red state legislators. I
think he would have enormous trouble with the Congress, I think we have a
lot of reason now to question his competence, he`s simple capacity to
manage and I think it is going hurt him badly as it plays out.

SCHULTZ: When he talks about taxes it`s almost like he`s gone so far down
the road he can`t reverse. And if he does they`ll be just too much
criticism. So, Ruth he`s pretty much politically stuck right now. Isn`t
he? How is he going to get out of this?

CONNIFF: Well, Walker has an amazing ability to keep on trucking and keep
saying things are looking good when they are looking bad and in Wisconsin
people are getting crank cranky. Because after awhile he begin to notice
actual condition and there`s only so much you can spin that. He`s always
switching numbers to try to say our economy is not as bad as it look.
We`re last in the Midwest. You know, we continue to have lousy job growth.
We continue to huge scandals the giveaways under his economic development
agency to companies that outsource jobs. No accountability. He`s removed
himself as the head of that agency.

I mean, you know, it can only go on so long. But I think it is national
significant story because there really is failure of trickle down
economics. We have cut and cut here and we have not seen the growth that
was promised.

SCHULTZ: All right, Bob Shrum, what is your reaction to Hannity defending

SHRUM: Well, you know he was right at one level. He said that Trump said
wasn`t racially-tinged. Yeah, it`s racially suffused its pure racist. It
engage in some of the worst area types in Hannity repeated those stereo
types. Most of the immigrants who come here are people looking for better
life for their families. NBC was right to fire Trump. Univision was right
to fire Donald Trump.
Mexico has now announced that it is not going to participate in Trumps Miss
Universe pageant.

Look Donald Trump, you know, what`s going to happen next? People who live
in condominiums named Trump place or Trump Park who own those condominiums
are going to get together and vote to take his name off the building
because he`s an increasing embarrass to them. He`s also a huge worry to a
lot of Republican consultants because they think if he gets on that debate
stage he is going to hurt the brand of the Republican Party even more than
it`s already been hurt, with immigrants, with young people, with folks like
that and he`s going to attack every Republican candidate in sight.

SCHULTZ: And Bob what is your reaction to Jeb Bush releasing 33 years of
tax returns? We couldn`t get three months out of Mitt Romney.

SHRUM: Well, I think it`s smart. I think unlike Romney he understood that
he was going to run for president. So did Romney. But he behaved like he
was going to run for president someday. So he made sure to pay he`s taxes.
I think he is trying to set up a contrast with Hillary Clinton because the
Republicans have this theory that they can run against the Clintons is none
transparent. There`s people who`re not out there or not honest. He`s
really trying to make an electability argument from himself to Republican
primary voters.

It`s not clear they`re buying it. You know, if you look at Ted Cruz. He`s
hope is to survive the early primaries so he becomes the ultraconservative
choice versus establishment choice. And, you know, what happens right
after Florida? The first super Tuesday of Deep South primary states, Ted
Cruz could do very well. He had people in his own party especially his
fellow GOP senators detest him. They may not have the last word. I hope
they don`t. Because I`m all for Ted Cruz for the Republican nomination.

SCHULTZ: All right, Bob Shrum and Ruth Conniff, great to have you with us
tonight. And of course Ruth coming to us from Madison, Wisconsin tomorrow
night. I`ll be in Madison, Wisconsin covering Bernie Sanders who`s
expected to get a massive crowd. We`ll have that story for you the next
day here on the Ed Show.

Still to come, California passes a strict new vaccination rules for your
kids in that state. We`ll hear from both sides of this heated debate.

Stay with us. We`ll be right back on the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: And the numbers are here. Here are the results of tonight`s
Bing Pulse Poll. Tonight`s question, "Do you think Chris Christie`s
personality is an asset to his campaign?" The numbers have been steady.
97 percent say "No". 3 percent of you are going to buy it. Keep voting
till the end of the hour at

We`re right back.


SCHULTZ: And in tonight`s Two-Minute Drill, golf superstar Phil Mickelson
is being linked to a sports betting group. ESPN outside the lines reports
almost $3 million of Mickelson`s money was transferred to an intermediary
as part of an illegal gambling operation which accepted and placed bets on
sports events. ESPN reports a former gambling handicapper or pleaded
guilty to laundering almost $3 million from an unnamed client between
February 2010 and February 2013. Two unnamed sources tell ESPN the money
belonged to Mickelson. He was not named in the court documents obtained by

Mickelson is not under federal investigation and has not been charged with
a crime. NBC News has confirmed the story through sources familiar with
the case. Mickelson`s representative declined to comment to NBC News on
the story. The five-time major champion earns more than $50 million a year
from winning and endorsements according to Forbes Magazine. The magazine
ranks Mickelson as the worlds 8th highest paid athlete toping fellow
golfers Tiger Woods and Rory Mcllroy.

Stick around. There`s a lot more coming up on the Ed Show. We`re right


SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, the parents of children in the state of
California are now required to get their children vaccinated or they won`t
be allowed to attend school. Just a short time ago, Governor Jerry Brown
signed a bill into law. He released a statement saying in part, the
science is clear that vaccines dramatically protect children against a
number of infectious and dangerous diseases. The California Senate passed
the measure on Monday in the wake of a huge measles outbreak this winter.
It says no religious or personal objections will be allowed.


CHRIS LOOP, PRO VACCINATION PARENT: We`re not talking about, like, paper
diapers versus cloth diapers or formula versus breast milk. This is not
some sort of parenting decision that affects your child exclusively. It
affects the lives of every other child and person that your child comes in
contact with.


SCHULTZ: Mississippi and West Virginia were previously the only two states
in the union with strict requirements in place. Groups of parents who
choose not to vaccinate their kids have been protesting. Petitions with
more than 50,000 signatures to veto the bill were brought to governor of


LANDEE MARTIN, ANTIVACCINATION PARENT: What goes into your child`s body,
if you don`t have any other right in the world, you should have the right
to determine what is injected into their bodies.


SCHULTZ: Medical exemptions will still be granted to children with serious
health issues.

Joining me tonight on this subject Dr. Corey Hebert Professor of LSU Health
Science Center, also with us tonight, Christina Hildebrand Founder and
President of Voice for Choice.

Christina, I`ll start with you tonight. And thanks for joining us. What
is your reaction to this new law and why are you against vaccinations if
across the board it will help protect other children.

for having me on, Ed. I would say I`m against vaccinations. I think
that`s a misconception of the opposition. What we are is we`re for
parental rights and being able to choose what goes into your child`s body.
Vaccinations do come with a risk. If you read the vaccine package inserts,
there`s a long list of risks are involved if your child does have a
reaction. And I think parents are struggling with just trying to work with
their doctors to work out what`s right for their individual child. And
this law takes that away.

I will also say that it also takes away the constitutional right that
California affords every child, which is to have a free and public
education, and that should not be trumped by the fear of contagion. That`s
being shown by the Supreme Court that fear of contagion should not take
that right away for free and public education.

SCHULTZ: So this is a parental rights issue with your organization. And
you believe that parents should have the final say on what happens to their
children because of the risks. But the way this law is, as I understand
it, Christina, this is pretty heavy handed stuff. It`s an or/else
situation. You either do it or you`re not going to be allowed to send your
children to school. What do you think about that?

HILDEBRAND: I agree with you. It`s extremely heavy handed and I think it
goes too far. I think there were laws in place that came into place last
year that allowed -- or required a doctor to have a signature on the
personal belief exemption. And that was working the personal believe
exemptions went down by about 19 percent in the last year, and we were
requesting legislatures that they allow that law to keep in place and to
see whether it continues to decrease.

I would also say that you`re saying that the Disneyland outbreak of measles
was a huge outbreak. It wasn`t a huge outbreak. It was only 131 cases in
the state of California. Only 24 of those were among school-aged children
and they were not -- none of them contracted it in school or gave it to
anyone in school. And so, we actually I would proclaim...


HILDEBRAND: ... the 131 cases of measles as a victory for our quarantine
and isolation procedures.

SCHULTZ: OK. Doctor, should parents be afraid to vaccinate their

I`m concerned that we are still having this debate. I actually give kudos
to the state of California because we can try to minimalize the measles
outbreak in Disneyland but we shouldn`t try to minimalize the pertussis
outbreak which happen to California which has killed kids as well as the
meningitis outbreak at Santa Barbara. So we have to make sure that we
don`t get into emotion when we talk about vaccination. Emotion has no
place in the paradigm (inaudible).

SCHULTZ: So you think California did the right thing Dr. Hebert? Do you
think California did the right thing?

HEBERT: Absolutely. And we must know that they did because the problem
with the 25 and 30-year-old, even 40-year-old parents is that they don`t
know the scourge of illness that killed millions of people throughout the
world throughout time. And we do realize that they don`t want to embrace
that, but people that don`t know the history are doomed to repeat it. As
soon as that outbreak happened in Disneyland everybody started freaking
out. Even coming to my practice in New Orleans saying "Oh, I don`t like
vaccinations but I want the measles shot for my child.

SCHULTZ: What about the numbers that Christina pointed out about how few
school-aged children were involved in that outbreak?

HEBERT: She is absolutely correct. And there`s no disrespect to her. The
point is that that was a very small outbreak in the grand scheme of things,
but we have to not just talk about California. We talk about the whole
concept of herd immunity. If you`re herd immunity...


HEBERT: ... you population is less than 90 percent, that means that people
will get that disease. And in California especially Los Angeles -- let me

SCHULTZ: All right. That`s all the time we have for this time. I
apologize. We`re going to have both of you back to talk more about it.
It`s certainly a huge issue. Thanks for joining us tonight.

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.

PoliticsNation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.


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