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Date: July 2, 2015
Guest: John Nichols, Larry Cohen, Genevieve Wood, Michael O`Hanlon, Brent

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from Detroit Lakes, Minnesota.

Let`s get to work.


SCHULTZ: Tonight, big crowds for Bernie.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I-VT) PRESIDENTIAL: In case you haven`t notice there
are a lot of people here.

SCHULTZ: Senator, you pack the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love everything he is stand (ph) for us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think he can beat Hillary Clinton. There`s no doubt
in my mind.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aide to Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker saying that he
will be announcing his candidacy for presidency.

GOV. SCOTT WALKER, (R) WISCONSIN: On the 13th in Milwaukee.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re still at number one and you have fallen off a

WALKER: Oh I think it`s just the growing field out there.

SCHULTZ: Later, record settlement.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is designed to compensate the state for all of the
damages, both environmental and economic that was caused by this BP

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s really on the historic day.

SCHULTZ: And I`ve got my baby back rib. This is one of my favorites.
Cherry cola rib.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.
You just can`t argue with the numbers. Bernie Sanders is on a role and
folks are showing up. He is drawing huge crowds. Last night, I was in
Madison, Wisconsin. I wanted to see it first-hand, a Bernie Sander`s
10,000 people packed the alliance center at Downtown Madison. Its largest
crowed yet for any presidential candidate this season.

This massive crowd is something that I think the press can`t ignore. Now,
let`s be fair about this. If Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, or Donald Trump do a
crowd of 10,000 people I think the media coverage and the narrative would
be completely different. Is Bernie Sanders for real?

Well, I can tell you is Sanders is connecting with people. I`ve talked to
him. When he comes to town he`s not meeting with the Mayor of any city or
the city council. He is not trying to, you know, swoosh anybody. He is
not trying to make sure that the party leaders really like him and they`re
happy with them. I mean this guy is coming to a town with a message for
the people about the people and guess what? They`re buying it. That`s
what I saw.

Bernie Sanders is telling people what they want to hear, what they`re
thinking. There so somebody out there on the national scene that thinks
the way they do.

Now, there is a major level of authenticity and believability that is
attracting these huge crowds. That`s the early analysis. Bernie just
isn`t bought and paid for.

People want to grab on this something that is politically pure and Bernie`s
message is resonating.


SANDERS: Let me just say a few words to my friends in the Republican Party
about extremism. When you deny the right of workers to come together in
collective bargaining that`s extremism. When you tell a woman that she can
not control her own body, that`s extremism. When you give tax breaks to
billionaires and refuse to raise the minimum wage, that`s extremism.


SCHULTZ: Maybe consistency is the key. Bernie Sanders and his supporters,
their views never change a bit over the years.


SANDER: Our views, which represent in fact the vast majority of the
American people, are a little different. We believe that the time has come
when people in Wisconsin, Vermont and all over this country create a
political movement which says to the billionaire class, "You can`t have it
all". What we are saying to the Koch brothers, Governor Walker, and all of
those people is that this great country and our government belong to all of
the people, and not just a handful of very wealthy people.


SCHULTZ: Sometimes in the last days` presentation, the sound was
absolutely deafening. It sounds like the Green Bay Packers are just on the
Super Bowl in there.

Bernie Sanders doesn`t just have voters. He has got a movement. And I`ll
say it`s a movement. The passion that people is really amazing. The Ed
Show spoke with some of the Bernie supporters in Madison last night.

Listen to him.


SCHULTZ: What`s with Bernie? What`s the attraction?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bernie is amazing. The guy, he speaks graving. He is
down to earth. He`s got all of the issues. He speaks volumes and he just
-- he connect with the voter (ph). The guy he is -- everything he talks
about are all of the issues that if not one or all or a bunch of the people
in America are all facing the same issues he is struggling. We`re
struggling with.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t believe that anyone in this country
understands the financial of re-precaution of financial illiteracy any
better than Bernie Sanders does.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why are you here tonight?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m here because I wanted to hear the message of Bernie
Sanders that he has out there even though I`ve heard it many, many times
sometimes on your show out there but its, you know, he spoke a lot of
things I think are important and not just myself as a union member and a
union leader out there but as a resident in the United States.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m a teacher in Wisconsin. So I just feel that
Bernie issues are my issues. And he`s going to represent us and he needs
change on what`s been happening to our state.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think he has a really great message. He`s really
enthusiastic speaker. This is what the Democratic president should look
like so I really think he represents the value of the middle class and the
Democrats and I think he`ll get Hillary (inaudible) money.


SCHULTZ: I really got the sense last night that this is not an anti-
Hillary crowd. This is a group of Americans that believe in what Bernie
Sanders is saying. That`s what`s drawing him. This is about issues. It`s
not about being against any other candidate or being against Hillary
Clinton. That`s what I gather because I asked a number of people, "What
about Hillary?"

"Well, we like Hillary too"

Just moments after Bernie Sanders walked off the stage last night, I had an
opportunity to speak with the senator.


SCHULTZ: Senator, you packed the house. What do yo think, what is this?

SANDERS: Ed, what I think is the American people are sick and tired of the
establishment politics. They`re tired in establishment economics. They
know that there`s something fundamentally wrong with big money by
selections and they know there`s something wrong when the rich get richer
and everybody else gets more voted. Not all, lot more complicated than
that and I think the American people are say, "Enough is enough. We got to
take this big money issue on. We got to take the billionaire first on.
Let`s make America the country we know it can do."

SCHULTZ: You said tonight you can win and you`ve said it before, last


SCHULTZ: What brings you to that conclusion?

SANDERS: Well, when you get a crowd of 10,000 people coming out, when you
get the response that you`re getting all over the country, when you get all
the 200,000 people who make contributions, small contributions, it tells me
there were restricting nerve with the American people.

All I know I`m not as well known as Hillary Clinton, but I think that more
we get around the country, the better known we become, the more I message
myself, I did with (inaudible).

SCHULTZ: So you have the sense you`re just getting started?

SANDERS: Absolutely. No question about that.


SANDERS: In that question.

SCHULTZ: OK. So, how do you turn all these people into the resources of
finance as you`re going to need to make it happen?

SANDERS: Well, we`re going to be traveling all over the country.
Obviously, we`re going to focus short-term in Iowa and New Hampshire. What
we`ve done all over this country.

And we`re going to have (inaudible) next year and we`re going to 5,000
people out in Portland. But on the other hand also, we have a very, very
active social media network which is reaching out the millions of people
very aggressively I think we can do it Ed.


SANDERS: No, but your issue. Let me just say you a few issues. Your
issues aren`t really Bernie Sanders. The issue at this moment is can we
elect a candidate. Prepare to stand up the big money interest. Would also
have a seek advice or are we too far done and we`ll give money continue to
control, that`s the issue.

SCHULTZ: And so you`re asking the country that question?

SANDERS: That`s exactly.

SCHULTZ: That`s basically what this all about.

SANDERS: That is what the question is, can we take on the big money
interest? Maybe we can, maybe we can`t. I think we can.

SCHULTZ: They are already starting to paint you as the extremist. You
came here to Wisconsin tonight and the Republican Party says you`re
extreme, your response.

SANDERS: Well, my response is I`ve mentioned tonight when you give as
Governor Walker did. When you give tax rates to the rich and refuse to
raise the minimum wage, that is extreme. When you tell women all overt his
state and all over this country, that they cannot control their own bodies,
they can`t even purchase contraceptives. My God, that is extreme. When
you refuse to acknowledge the reality of climate change, well, that is
extreme. I think the issues that we are bringing up by and large are
issues that the vast majority of the American people support.

SCHULTZ: Senator, are you going to get colleagues in you`re chamber to
support you? Are you going to ask for their support? Look at this crowds
you`re getting all over the country. Don`t you deserve to ask for the

SANDERS: Well, I mean.

SCHULTZ: I mean, if this is what the country speeding on.

SANDERS: Ed, I think it`s a funny thing but on my view as I`ve mentioned
I`m tonight is the process takes place in the ground bottom (ph). And I
think when my colleagues all over America, we get to see these crowds. You
know, they may rethink where they are today for the cause.

SCHULTZ: And you`re confident these crowds will continue?

SANDERS: Well, we`ll see. But so far, the answer is yes I am.

SCHULTZ: OK. So you feel good early on?

SANDERS: I feel great.

SCHULTZ: All right, Senator, great to have you with me.


SCHULTZ: And so, a very confident Bernie Sanders. Well let`s do it.

Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think. Bernie says he
can win it. Tonight`s question, "Do you think Bernie Sanders can win the
nomination?" Go to to cast your vote. We`ll bring you
the results later on in the show.

For more, let me bring in John Nichols who introduced Bernie Sanders last
night, he`s a Washington correspondent for the Nation Magazine, also with
us tonight Larry Cohen, former President of the Communication Workers of
America who is endorsing and supporting and working for as a volunteer for
Bernie Sanders, gentlemen good to have you with us tonight.

You know, this crowd last night that I saw in Madison they are flat-out
Bernie believers. I mean what he is selling, they are buying. They are
enthusiastic. He was on message from what these folks want. There is no
doubt that he has struck a nerve.

John Nichols, what does this mean? What does this crown -- these crowds
around the country mean? What`s happening here?

think it`s a big deal. This early in a presidential race where a candidate
is attracting, you know, 10,000 people in Madison but also 5,000 out in
Denver, something relatively close to that in Minneapolis. And even in
small towns in Iowa, attracting more people who`ve been living in the town,
that`s a big deal indication of an enthusiasm. I think its pent-up demand
in a sense for an economic populous message, but there`s something else
here Ed, that Bernie Sanders says that he wants to spark a political

Well, the half of political revolution you need tens of thousands of
committed people ready to go out and campaign. And I think that`s really
what these big rallies are about, what these big events are about is
getting people charged up to go out and kind of be if you will, the foot
soldiers for that political revolution.

SCHULTZ: No question about it. If he can turn these folks into even small
donors or foot soldier, it`s going to be a heck of a battle, no question
about it. Larry Cohen, you`ve heard what those union guys said that I
talked to in Madison, their loving what they`re hearing right now. You`re
throwing your support behind Bernie Sanders. Why are you doing that?

LARRY COHEN, FORMER CWA PRESIDENT: Bernie offers. That`s the kind of
choice that we want. He has been with working families his entire life.
When our members were on strike at CWA and the dead of winter in New
England, he was there with him. He didn`t say he`d be there. He was there
on Fast-Track and Trans-Pacific Partnership. He`s been right all along
with Sherrod Brown`s and Elizabeth Warren`s.

So, he does and acts as if he is a working class person himself. It`s that
kind of enthusiasm that`s fired up the union members and working families
across the country. I`ve never seen anything like it. When I endorsed
yesterday, 40,000 people within hours signed on to that page liking it,
writing comments, e-mailing me is amazing.

SCHULTZ: Well, it is amazing. And it`s also one for the archives as far
as studying what`s happening here John Nichols. What`s the strategy?
Bernie Sanders comes to town, he`s not a glad-hander, he goes up, he brings
a message and he lays it out there and basically says, "Look, you`re either
going to buy it or you`re not. What you see is what you get."

So, what is the campaign strategy? I mean, I got a sense talking to Bernie
last night, "Well, I`m going to go from down to town and hopefully these
crowds will translate into resources." What are you making on strategy?

NICHOLS: Well, that`s a good baseline strategy but it`s not enough to get
you anywhere near a nomination. So, there has to be more to it. And if
we`re frank about this, we have to recognize that a passionate candidate
who is speaking to core issues can draw a crowd. We know that to be the
case. The real question is, can you turn those crowds into folks who show
up at caucuses because caucuses have smaller turn out, but also who then do
door to door and big energy in primary states?

And my sense is that the big deal of the last 24 hours obviously from a new
standpoint it was the Madison event, but take a look at what Bernie Sanders
did this morning. He was up in Rochester, Minnesota with a very big packed
event there.


NICHOLS: Minnesota is at this point at least a caucus state and Sanders is
putting some strategy into getting people energized in places that are a
little unexpected not just Iowa and New Hampshire.

SCHULTZ: OK. John and Mr. Cohen, a new Quinnipiac poll shows Clinton`s
lead over Sanders in Iowa, he`s down to 19 points. That`s still a big
spread but it was 45 points in May and 56 points in February. It looks to
me like the closer they look at Bernie, the more they like it.

NICHOLS: Absolutely.

SCHULTZ: And everybody knows Hilary, not everybody knows Bernie. What`s
happening here? Do these polls mean something?

COHEN: Yeah. I mean, I`m headed to Iowa right after this show be with
Bernie in Council Bluffs tomorrow night. I can tell you in advance people
are pouring in there, not just union members. And he is igniting a fire
across Iowa. That`s one of the places that I`ll be focused and our
members, you know, from the CWA and others are fired up. They see a real
choice and they are going to turn out a huge numbers of people for those

I predict we can turn out the 70,000 in Iowa that we`ll need to win.

SCHULTZ: I don`t there`s a candidate in the race that wouldn`t like to go
from 5 percent to 33 percent over a several months John Nichols, Larry
Cohen, great to have you with us tonight. Thanks for the conversation

Remember to answer tonight`s question at We`ll have
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Coming up, Scott Walker makes a hard right turn as he gets ready to jump in
the crowded Republican field. We`ll see if he`s winning over conservatives
at this point.

And later, five years after the spill, BP is finally getting hit with the
bill for the damage to the Gulf Coast. We`ll have all the details ahead.

Stay with us, we`ll be right back on the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight.
You`re looking live at Fort Dodge, Iowa, a picture from that town and the
community college. And that is Senator Bernie Sanders speaking there at
this hour, right now.

And here`s where we stand on tonight`s Bing Pulse Poll. Tonight`s
question, do you think Bernie Sanders can win the nomination? The numbers,
85 percent of you says "Yes", 15 percent of you say "No". You can keep on
voting throughput the hour here on the Ed Show at

We`re coming right back. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight. Scott
Walker, Governor of Wisconsin is finally ready to send his save the date
card. The Wisconsin Governor filed papers to run for president with the
FEC today. He`s preparing to make the announcement of July 13th.

Walker has already been campaigning for months. He`s gained popularity
after stealing the show at the Iowa Faith and Freedom Summit. Walker made
a hard right turn to impress Hawkeye State voters. The move could weaken
support from moderate voters elsewhere.

He puts himself I think in a pretty dangerous spot at this point his
gambling. Walker`s early lead in Iowa is already running out of steam,
support has drop from 25 percent in February down to 18 percent according
to the latest Quinnipiac Poll.

President Obama traveled to La Crosse, Wisconsin today were Walker greeted
him at the airport. Now there`s a picture you don`t see very often. Under
the president`s leadership, the United States added 223,000 jobs to the
economy, the employment rate drop to a 7 year low to 5.3 percent. Scott
Walker of course didn`t add to those numbers, in his first term. Walker
failed to return his state to pre-recession employment levels while the
United States surpassed pre-recession levels.

The question is, you know, the question is, is Walker has failed to perform
when it comes to job creation, sooner or later Republican opponents are
going to start talking about it, because the competition is definitely

Joining me tonight John Nichols Washington correspondent of the Nation
Magazine also with Genevieve Wood, Senior Contributor with The Daily
Signal. Genevieve you first tonight, what do you...


SCHULTZ: ... make to this slip by Walker in the polls and has he gone too
far to the right, there some political folks out there that say, that you
know, what he may have over stepped his boundaries with a lot of voters,
what do you think?

WOOD: Well, I mean talking about the polls. Look, his not officially
declare yet the number of other people have been declaring or the past
several weeks and we`ve seen all of them Jeb Bush included get an nice
little bump when they actually make the official declaration, likely that
Scott Walker may get the same thing, his doing well in Iowa, his been doing
well at Iowa for a long time.

And look, I think if you look at Scott Walker`s peace in RealClearPolitics
today. He debunks a lot what you just said about all of the good steps
under Obama economy and actually take he`s credit for all the good things
that have happened in Wisconsin and as I think I`ve said Ed in your show
before, Scott Walker has done what he thinks his doing in Wisconsin being
elected three times in four years.

So whatever the polls may say, the voters when give the opportunity to
either before or again Scott Walker have been boring.

SCHULTZ: But the fact is, Wisconsin ranks 38th in job creation. How is
Walker defend his poor record on job creation and also the battle that his
having right now with Republicans from his own party in the state on how to
deal with the budget. John Nichols, how is that play out?

NICHOLS: Well, I think convenient, the Walker for president campaign is a
worst kept secret in American politics, his essentially been running for
more than a year and pretty aggressively so. That`s taking him out of
Wisconsin a great deal and one of the complains you hear from Democratic
and some Republican legislature is, that he hasn`t paid enough attention to
the budget process that`s why it has been something of a mess.

But beyond that, I think that that one of the real challenges that Walker
faces in Wisconsin and potentially on a national campaign trail, is that
overtime Wisconsin it`s have come to recognize that what he is doing is not
working. In the most recent Marquette Law School Poll, the disapproval
rating for Scott Walker was as high it`s been up at 55 percent, and against
paired against any of the Republican candidates. Scott Walker loss
Wisconsin in what is generally thought of his best poll of Wisconsinites.

SCHULTZ: Genevieve, how they can...

WOOD: How does that you`re going to give Ed that the polls that matter the
once that happened on Election Day and he -- nobody has a tougher...


WOOD: ... time than Scott Walker in terms of money coming from outside to
state, the unions giving in everything they had to definite this guy.

SCHULTZ: Well now wait a minute, Genevieve..

WOOD: And none of them was successful.

SCHULTZ: Let`s get the facts right here. When there was a recall
election, he got more out state money than his opponent Mr. Barrett the
mayor of Milwaukee in fact he out funded him seven to one and actually run
against the recall. I don`t just feel...

WOOD: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: ... what you`re saying, the guy knows how to win election,
there`s no question about it.

WOOD: Yeah and the people...

SCHULTZ: ... but there are some things...

WOOD: ... of Wisconsin has voted for him.

SCHULTZ: ... there are some things that are following him that aren`t
good. Number one, his got bad job numbers and number two his in a fight
with his own party right now and what to do with the budget, doesn`t that
look bad.

WOOD: Given that...

SCHULTZ: I mean. He can`t get all the same page with his own party. What
about that?

WOOD: Well, I don`t think that all this just because you have a Republican
Congress at the state level or the federal level for that matter is that
there all a specifically responsible they all to be, and I think Governor
Walker is more physically responsible than many in his own State House.

And look, when he came to office the State of Wisconsin was in deficit they
now actually have budget surplus.

So again I think if you look at all the facts from the ground and the
voters there had done that, he does well, but look his going to have to
stand up that record he gets Governor Rick Perry of Texas who has great
stories out it -- to tell there, Governor John Kasich of Ohio is likely
didn`t declare later this month his going to have good stories to tell. So
his on a strong...


WOOD: ... field to be, to be for sure.

SCHULTZ: OK. Well, I mean among Republicans I mean his as good as any of
them. I guess you could say but, does Wisconsin have a surplus John

NICHOLS: Well, that`s not what the independent auditors say, the
independent auditors say that Wisconsin is looking at a short fall in the
range of $2 billion, that number has obviously move to great deal. But the
thing to understand is that one of reasons this current budget process has
been so very, very difficult, really quite a mess is because the revenues
aren`t what Scott Walker or others would like them to be, and so.


NICHOLS: The notion that there`s a Scott Walker`s success story in
Wisconsin is certainly not accepted by a lot of Wisconsinites and I suspect
that as this campaign gets going, you will hear many of the governors
Republican challengers or opponents bring up the fact that Wisconsin`s
numbers are not nearly as good as lot of other states in the country.

SCHULTZ: OK, and Genevieve you`re a Walker fan it sounds like.

WOOD: I`m a Walker fan among a lot of other fans. I think he does have a
good record I think his been tough...

SCHULTZ: All right.

WOOD: ... on the unions which as has Chris Christie and others, so look.

NICHOLS: Can`t argue with that.

WOOD: I think there`s a lot of things his doing the right way, there a lot
of people even know maybe you are going to vote for him, there might there
are lot of people I think your going to give him a first and second look.

SCHULTZ: I want to see if Scott Walker can draw 10,000 fans anywhere in
Wisconsin, pick the Republican stronghold and have out it, I like to see

WOOD: Go Bernie go, all right.

SCHULTZ: Great to have both of you with us tonight.

WOOD: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: All right. John Nichols, Genevieve Wood, good to have you with
us tonight.

Still to come, we`ll have the details of BP`s oil spill settlement and get
reaction from Gulf residence who have been affected for years.

And a false alarm at the D.C Navy Yard as people questioning whether the
current terror threat is being over-hyped, I`ll talk with a security expert

Stay with us. We`re right back at on the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Independence Day no doubt has hyped
the sense of security around the country. Full alert was on display this
morning at the Navy Yard in Washington D.C. Police swarm the campus after
an early morning call.


MAYOR MURIEL BOWSER, WASHINGTON, DC: Then employee at the Navy Yard
shortly after 7:29 reported that she may up heard gun shot in the facility.
There is no evident of gun shots. There is no evident of a shooter and
there is no evident of any victims today.


SCHULTZ: The Navy Yard received the all clear later in the morning the
campus was decided. But in 2013 mass shooting by a former navy reserves.
12 people were shot and killed during the incident. Police Chief Cathy
Lanier said today`s mobilization was a vast improvement over 2013.


things that we tried to correct and make go better from the last incident
went very, very well.

This turns out to be a great exercise for us to see that we fix what we
wanted to fix.


SCHULTZ: Ahead to the 4th of July weekend cities nationwide are preparing
for and or homegrown attacks. An ISIS spokesman called on followers to
embark and hasten toward Jihad during the holy month of Ramadan which ends
on July 17th.

Terrorist launch attacks across three continents on Friday killing dozens.
Cities across the country are retuning up security measures as we head into
the holiday. Many wonder how much were really truly at risk.

Joining me for that subject tonight is Michael O`Hanlon senior fellow and
Director of Research at the Brookings Institution. Michael, good to have
with us tonight, are we going too far with the alerts, the scares or the
fears that something might happen? Do you believe officials are showing
the right amount of caution?

possible to go too far in these things. At one level Ed in a broader sense
we have to take this threat seriously. We`re taking them seriously. We
have a very good Homeland Security effort.

The Department of Homeland Security gets joke about for it`s bureaucratic
and efficiencies but they`ve done a lot of things well since 9/11. We
haven`t had another big attack. We`re spending three or four times as much
per year on Homeland Security as we use to. We got big overseas
intelligence operations and military campaigns and we debate whether those
are useful but certainly the intelligence part has been very useful and
some of the military strikes.

So in a broader sense we have to take this threat seriously and we are. I
guess where I would call some questions or raise some questions however
this one people start to say there`s an inedibility of an attack and that
starts to be what`s on this, you know, the Monday morning or Tuesday
morning talk shows just before a weekend -- when people are trying to enjoy
the weekend. And frankly most Americans have to worry more about not
drinking too much and putting out on that sunscreen or rather than

And I just think we should let people enjoy the weekend instead of being on
razor`s edge that there might be a small terrorist attack somewhere in the
United States because that`s the most likely worse case and I think all
have bigger problems to worry about.

SCHULTZ: Well, does Intel have a format that they follow base on the
information that they get to bring us to this level of this reaction or

O`HANLON: Well as you know we`ve never done a very -- I mean the answer is
yes at one level. We`ve never done a very good job in establishing what
threshold is the right one. So of course the color coding system was
widely mock after 9/11. Frankly I didn`t mind it because just told what
other people best.

SCHULTZ: And nobody understood it.

O`HANLON: Well no one understood and see you`re right. You got actually
be clear on the colors but if people, you know. If people would debate it
and say "Well, I`m not sure it really had to be a red day or whatever".
You know, so what? I mean, there`s a lot of art not just science involve
in this and people are given.


O`HANLON: Their best assessment from the intelligence community and I
don`t mind hearing their best assessment but I sort to like the fact that
we use to joke about the system.

We didn`t take it overly seriously. We paid attention but we also went on
with our lives. Now we have this kind of a warning come out of the blue
and people just don`t know how to put it in perspective. I would say it`s
real. There are certainly something and not only world events from the
last week but in the intelligence charter that raises the risk a bit.

But compared to most other dangerous in people lives, it`s not a huge one
and shouldn`t affect the way people plan for the 4th of July weekend in my

SCHULTZ: All right, Michael O`Hanlon with us tonight from the Brookings
Institution, great to have you with us. Appreciate your time. Thank you.

Up next, the gulf course residents weigh in on the BP`s settlement and what
it means for their communities and their future?

Stay tuned. We`re right back.

KATE ROGERS, CNBC CORRESPONDENT: I`m Kate Rogers with your CNBC Market

Stock and the shortly (ph) trading mets lower. The DOW falls 27 points,
the S&P is off a fraction and the NASDAQ down 3.

The big story of day though, jobs. The government says the economy added
223,000 jobs last month fewer than expected. The unemployment rate takes
lower to 5.3 percent and Tesla was a winner today jumping 4 percent. The
company said it`s delivered more than 11,000 vehicles in the second quarter
up over 50 percent from a year ago.

That`s it from CNBC, your first in business world wide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show and thanks for watching tonight.
Some major news for residents in the Gulf Coast area, it`s been a long five
years, oil giant BP has agreed to an $18.7 billion settlement with the
federal government in five states. If the settlement is approved by a
federal judge, the payments will be spread over 18 years. The states of
Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas were deeply impacted by
the 2010 Deepwater Horizon incident.


PAM BONDI, FLORIDA ATTORNEY GENERAL: These monies will benefit the areas
of our state most devastated by the environmental threat, they could not
have foreseen.

LUTHER STRANGE, ALABAMA ATTORNEY GENERAL: The outcome of this settlement
will have a profound and lasting impact upon Alabama`s future.


SCHULTZ: It`s hard to forget the images of the oil rig and fire. 11
workers were killed in the initial explosion, approximately 134 million
gallons of oil spilled into the gulf. More than 7,000 animals were killed.
This settlement is just one step towards the healing. It is virtually
impossible to cover every facet of this tragic event.

Earlier this year, I went to the gulf to meet the people in the region.
Business owners told me how the spill impacted their earnings, their
livelihood and their future.


CHIP WASSON, BUSINESS OWNER: It plummeted would be an understanding.
Shortly after the oil spill there was hope that it was going to get cleaned
up, it was going to get rectified, there wasn`t going to be an
impact to the beaches here.

And as time kept, you know, ticking away each day and you`re watching the
updates on the different news, media outlets.

The fear was that, the oil is going to start washing up here on the shore
and what was going to happen to tourism when it did.


SCHULTZ: It`s not only a financial hardship of the folks to that part of
the country. Many folks are concern about the long lasting health impacts
of oil exposure.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s all tail fell off right here. That there should
be shell, they`re going to all the way to the bottom that`s the cancer
earlier he got.

SCHULTZ: That`s cancer right there.


SCHULTZ: And you could tell about the color of the shell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The shell is gone.

SCHULTZ: The shell is gone?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah. You feel it. Feel over right here. You see
that shell off.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight is Attorney Brent Coon who is the firm
represents victims of the BP spill.

Brent, good to have you with us tonight. I know, you`ve been a tireless
worker on this and it`s been a long road for all of your clients.

Tell us about this settlement. Your thoughts on it, is it fair, does it go
far enough?

questions Ed. First of all, it really doesn`t go far enough and it`s
frankly my opinion not a very good settlement.

The government has been waiting five years since actually tried there case
against BP and we`re waiting on a verdict.

We know from the court`s trial rulings on the amount of oil that was
spilled and the amount that they had to pay as minimum and maximum ranges
that the minimum that would have been owe just to the Department of Justice
claim alone on Clean Water Act alone would have been about 4 billion with a
high of 14 billion.

So BP has basically waited five years and protracted delays, trials and
appeals before coming to the table and then bundling up all of these
claims. These governmental have claims for the Department of Justice, all
the state individual claims and municipality claims, and basically got a
good package deal. And this package deal was a lot less on what they would
have owed under the legal system. Had they tried to defend this all one at
a time and it`s also something that you noted, they get to pay out over the
18-year timeframe.

So if you look at the present cash value of that less the interest that BP
earns on that money overtime, the amount of the settlement in the aggregate
actually over that time would be much less than how they paid that out in
cash which would be required if they went to trial and got a verdict
against them.

SCHULTZ: Now folks who have been impacted by this oil spill financially
over the last five years and I met with many of them when I was down in the
Gulf. Are they going to be made whole? Are they going to be able to get
back on their feet? Are they going to be able to go back in the business?
What`s this mean to the average Joe who was affected?

COON: It means nothing. Ed, you and I talked about this before. We`ve
gone to the Gulf together. We`ve interviewed a lot of these claimants and
individuals. It basically means nothing. The money is that are earmark to
this settlements will be paid to the federal government and to the state
governments overtime.

And they`ll use it pretty much to their discretion, hopefully mostly for
restoration projects along the Gulf of Mexico but none of that money goes
to any of the individuals who have lost their businesses or whose
businesses were harmed or those individuals that were exposed to the oil or
harmed from the oil or lost their jobs as a result of the oil spill. None
of this money goes to them.

And part of our complainants that ashamed that our government agencies and
our government as a whole let down this claimants by going to court first
and getting their cases settled and a resolve without making sure the BP
made restoration compensation to the wrong constituents first.

SCHULTZ: So, what are the chances of the federal judge not going along
with this? Or is that just going to be a rubber stamp? How is that going
to work?

COON: You know, probably, it`s a rubber stamp. The court has been very
involved in the process of the negotiations of various things throughout
these proceedings. I would be surprised if the court was not aware
generally on what was going on with these settlement negotiations.

In fact, the judges already set a very long and protracted trial on the
Department of Justice case and it was about to hinder he`s ruling on the
matter of findings and facts and conclusion of law when the settlement
occurred. So I`m presuming based on his delay and issue in that ruling
that he was aware that the partners were in negotiations and trying to get
this matter resolved without a court ruling.

SCHULTZ: So it`s going to be up to the states and the federal government
to allocate this money out, which it sounds like isn`t it going to be
enough on what you`re telling us. But then the environmental concerns of
restoration. What about that?

COON: You know, just the money set are being earmarked in the settlement
ostensibly for this restoration projects. We never know how much is going
to cost. We didn`t know this.

You mentioned they are 134 million gallons. That`s how much oil spill on
the Gulf. There were 200 million galloons that were spilled. There is a
100 and 100 -- so more between a 100 and 150 million galloons spilled in
the Gulf of Mexico. This was all the oil that settled on the bottom and
settled in various stratums within the Gulf of Mexico waters as a result


COON: ... the dispersions that were used that immersed and so the long-
term ecological impacts of that or unknown and certainly were far exceed
the amount of these settlements overtime.

SCHULTZ: And I would think this would be your personal opinion to give me
an opportunity, is this pay out overtime an effort to make sure the BP
doesn`t tip over as a company?

COON: You know, I`m sure there is an argument that some other is that the
reality is BP makes $500 billion a year in earnings. BP has sold tens of
billions and dollars in assets all over the last few years to basically put
together enough money to settle all claims that they anticipate.

SCHULTZ: All right.

COON: It would be out there and obviously by having that money escrowed or
as in this tag (ph) and now not having to pay all out at once is a cue in
my opinion to BP

SCHULTZ: All right.

COON: Again the sad thing about all of these is that all these claimants
that are out there that you and I talked to and tens of thousands of
others. The vast majority of them have never been offered a diamond
compensation and by the government settling out now. The equation is, what
if anything is the government going to do now at this state or federal
level, to try to make sure that the constituents are ultimately paid.

SCHULTZ: All right and it`s still is a story to follow. Attorney Brent
Coon, representing a lot of folks down there on the Gulf Coast, great to
have you with us tonight, I appreciate your time.

Still to come at the Ed Show, as we go to the 4th of July, I`ve got some
4th of July grilling tips. I got a recipe. I know you want to try this.
Pay attention. We`ll have it for you.

You`re watching the Ed Show on MSNBC.


SCHULTZ: So the numbers are coming in here on the Ed Show. Here are the
results of tonight`s Bing Pulse Poll. Tonight`s question, "Do you think
Bernie Sanders can win the nomination?"

It stayed steady throughout the hour. 85 percent of you say "Yes". 15
percent of you say "No, you can keep on voting to the end of the hour here
on the Ed Show. You can go to

And we`re coming right back. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: And in tonight`s Two-Minute Drill, Royal pains. The Kansas City
Royals topped the American League Central and the team stars are getting
noticed at the All-Star ballot box on June 15th. The Royals topped the
list for all infield positions designated hitter and two of the starting
outfield spots. The Royals` coronation has the league concern about voter

The league says they are canceled between 60 and 65 million votes because
of concerns of fake or improper voting. Voters are allowed to cast 35
ballots for the All-Star game per e-mail address.

As of Monday, five Royals are slated to start the game. Voting ends
tonight and the line up was going to be announced on Sunday. The All-Star
game is going to be played at the Great American Ball Park in Cincinnati,
Ohio on July 14th.

And I want all the judges to vote for my dog, Little Ducky (ph). Look at
this. She`s training for the launch championship here at the lake. And
look at that. Way to go. Jumping off the dock. I think she`s got the
shot at winning this thing.

Stick around. Lots more coming up on the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, here is how you grill on 4th of July with
cherry cola ribs.


SCHULTZ: Well, this is one of my favorites, cherry cola ribs. Now, when I
first found out about cherry cola ribs and I read about it in Bon Appetit,
I thought to myself, this sounds complicated. I read it again and I though
it still sounds complicated but I thought to give it a try.

Now the first thing we`re going to do is do 48 ounces of cherry cola and
we`re going to reduce it down to a cup and a half and it takes about 45
minutes to do that. Now the stirrings (ph) which are very important. And
I am just one of these guys that who just follows the directions.

Now, we want to go with two cups of cherry preserves. Now, this is really
the key right here. When you put heat with this -- it starts. It starts.
There the cherry preserves going right on in there. You can just hear it
going to work right now. This is just absolute flavor like you never had

And I also start out to burn on high. You want to get it hot early on and
then, draw it back. Then, we want to go with two-thirds cup of mustard and

And then, we want to go at two tablespoons of malt vinegar. This is a
very, very important. If you leave this out which I`ve left out before,
you`ll screw the whole thing of I don`t that so make sure you follow

All right. The next thing, you want to go with three tablespoons of this
soy sauce, all right? Then, you want one tablespoon right here of this hot
sauce. Just one tablespoon. Don`t do two tablespoons.

It`s going to look like a little bit funny to start out with. Don`t lose
your confidence. You got all kinds of confidence in your cooking bowl
right here.

All right. Now, I want to bring this off just a little bit. Down by in
half. There you go. All right. And now, you want to simmer all of this
together for another 30 minutes and then, of course, you`re going to be
ready to start the glazing of all of your ribs and you`re going to
absolutely love it.

While this is going on -- well, before that, what I was doing is cooking my
ribs right in here. For the last two hours, these have been going at 325.

Open these babies up, oh they look good, they look really good. So, what
we`re doing here now is we`re going to cut these up into sections. And
these will go right on the grill just like that and we`ll drop the cherry
cola glaze on.

All right. Now, we got the ribs. We got the cherry cola sauce ready to
go. I got the grill set at 325. Perfect. And now, we just take these
babies. Put them right on top, like that. Oh yeah, it sounds good. Now,
we`re talking. Just bases (ph). Just get them.

Good at based here right there. Oh yeah. Let be just do this very
liberally. Put a lot on there. Don`t be dashful (ph) about it. Now,
we`re going to close this and get just a little bit more than 325 for just
a few minutes and that really caramelized really fast.

You let them caramelized on side then you flip them over and do it again.
Don`t take very long because they`ve been already been cooked for couple of

It can get a little messy but -- I mean that`s what grilling is all about,
isn`t it? You love that sauce. It`s fun to cook them because you can
actually see how it`s caramelized in on top of your ribs. And oh you could
just see that heat go to work on in just their flavor. It`s just

They`re ready. They`re ready to go. They are beautiful. Oh look at that.

We can taste that cherry cola. You can taste the mustard ingredient. You
can taste the vinegar.

It`s just a great combination. That`s how you do ribs on 4th of July. Try
it. You`ll love it.

Happy 4th of July.


SCHULTZ: And that`s what we`re going to be doing this weekend.

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz. Have a great 4th.

PoliticsNation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts now.


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