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Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES
Date: July 2, 2015
Guest: Lorella Praeli, Jelani Cobb, Bree Newsome, Todd Rutherford, James
Tyson, Lisette Lopez, Lizz Winstead, Bree Newsome, Jordan Carlos



CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST: Good evening from the Comcast building in
New York City, where our backyard is actually on the roof. It`s the Fourth
of July week, so tonight, we`re having some friends over for a cookout and
a celebration of America.

ANNOUNCER: Welcome to the "ALL IN The USA" special cookout
spectacular.

And now, your host, Chris Hayes.

HAYES: Well, well, well, we are here on the lovely 11th floor of 30
Rockefeller Center, now the Comcast Building. Hopefully, you`re watching
this somewhere with a chilled beverage in your hand, with people you love
ready to enjoy a long weekend.

We have this elaborate setup that may encounter a weather-related
incident since it`s sprinkling a touch. We`ve got food out. You know,
I`ve been thinking about the last two weeks we`ve had of a crazy news
cycle, all the news we saw last week, the horrible tragedy in Charleston
the kind of amazing, redemptive grace in the aftermath of that, the huge
Supreme Court decisions, the president`s eulogy, and it`s been a kind of
emotional whirlwind and it got me thinking about America and what I love
about America, and I thought maybe we should do a whole show the night
before this patriotic weekend on what we love about America.

So, that`s what we`re going to do. Joining me now, Josh Barro, he`s
MSNBC contributor and national correspondent for "The New York Times".

We also have with us, Lorella Praeli. Now, Lorella has an amazing
story. She`s been a guest on our show a bunch of times. She was a guest
on the former show. She is now the Latino out reach director for Hillary
Clinton`s presidential campaign. Before that, she was a DREAMer and DREAM
activist.

And we`ve got our buddy, Jelani Cobb, staff writer for "The New
Yorker" and director of the African Studies Institute at the University of
Connecticut.

Well, great to have you guys here.

LORELLA PRAELI, HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN: Thanks for having us.

JOSH BARRO, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Thanks for having us.

HAYES: Isn`t this a crazy space?

JELANI COBB, NEW YORKER: I know. It`s amazing.

PRAELI: Pretty incredible.

HAYES: We`ve been trying to come up with a back story that will
justify the weirdness and awesomeness of the space, although I just know
that there are gardeners who tend to this garden that is never seen by
anyone, but they are up here all the time making sure it looks beautiful,
some kind of metaphor there.

COBB: Pound your fists on the table and say, plain love of America,
Chris.

HAYES: That`s right.

So here, I want to start with something I`ve been thinking about,
about what I love about America, and I think one of the things that ends up
happening is you get a weird polarization or polarized discussion, in which
like the right loves America and the left is like America-hating left, and
there`s this kind of tug of war over the flag.

One thing I love about America, a great thing about America is
something in the 14th Amendment of the United States. By the way, 14th
Amendment of the United States, passed during reconstruction, the point of
a gun is a great thing about America. It was part of the foundational
reasoning that got us marriage equality along with a lot of amazing
important stuff.

But in the 14th Amendment it says anyone born in this country is a
citizen of this country. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United
States and the state wherein they reside.

What this means here in America is whatever problems we have in terms
of our policy mechanisms for dealing with people that come to the U.S.
without documentation, if you`re born here, you`re a citizen and that is
hugely important because there are a lot of countries in the world right
now we`re seeing in the Dominican Republic, right, where a court order is
sent to people two generations there, you`re no longer a citizen.

In Germany, you have Turks in three generations were totally un-
integrated into German society because they`re not citizens. But here in
the U.S., come to the U.S. and you`re a citizen. It`s a great thing.

PRAELI: You`re not always a citizen when you get here.

HAYES: That`s right.

PRAELI: But there is a process and we`re working to create the
process, right?

HAYES: If you were born here, you are. What that does is it means no
matter how marginal your parents might be, right? Like, you know, there is
a Supreme Court decision that says school haves to educate those kids,
right? Like that is, it`s basically the forcing mechanism to create some
kind of totality to what American-ness is even when politics get gnarly on
the issue.

BARRO: Yes. No, I mean, I think you see, it looks like we have
fighting over immigration in the U.S. and we do but the thing about Germany
is right, which is that you look at the U.S. compared to a lot of advanced
countries. I mean, look at Japan, which is an almost entirely homogenous
society, has this Korean minority that it has had, is not integrated there.
The U.S. is one of the few -- it`s one of the few countries that really is
relatively accepting of immigrants compared to other countries. So, I
think, you know, we should -- if we grade ourselves on a curve, you can
look at Donald Trump being ridiculous but we`re better at this than any
country in Europe.

HAYES: That`s part of what I think is important to remember in the
midst of this, the Dominican Republic, forced explosion of people based on
a court order that talks about facial features, OK? We`re talking -- I
mean, literally, in the court order, if you have full lips and an African
nose, OK, you could end up on the wrong bus out of the country.

When you compare that to the 14th Amendment that says hey, if you`re
born here you`re a citizen, that`s a great thing.

COBB: Right. Even if you go back to when John Bingham framed the
14th Amendment, it was so perfectly drafted as a refutation of the Dred
Scott decision. So, he`s looking at this saying we have this decision that
says a group of people can never be citizens here, how are we going to
radically alter that?

And so, and not only that, it kind of has another effect, which is
that, you know, the Civil Rights Act of 1866 is passed providing equal
rights and the combination and so on, and people are not entirely sure it`s
constitutional and it`s not until the amendment is ratified after that.
The people passed the law like Supreme Court might invalidate that. Well,
let`s put an amendment into the Constitution that now says this law
retroactively done the right thing. So, it`s a pretty amazing thing to
historically see how that took place.

HAYES: But, Lorella, you`re someone who it was born somewhere else
and came here. Your family came here. I feel like you got a very unique
and distinctive view on like, what you love about America particularly.

PRAELI: Yes. I mean, I think I would say what I love about America
is that I get to live my dream and in many ways I get to live my mother`s
dream, right? So, I had a car accident when I was 2.5 and my leg was
amputated and my mother came to the United States seeking medical care for
me -- for my prosthetic leg where I wouldn`t be judged and discriminated
against because of my gender and because of physical difference.

And, you know, then I think growing up and spending 14 years of my
life as an undocumented person in this country as a DREAMer and then today
getting to work to help elect the next president of the United States, that
is pretty incredible. It`s pretty remarkable.

And I think it speaks to who we are as a country this is not a Lorella
story. This is really an American story.

I was thinking about how you introduced the significant, Chris, and
what`s happened in the last two weeks and every time America turns to the
people effective and says we believe in you and hear you. And there`s a
lot of work that we have to do, but we`re constantly learning and
constantly changing, and that`s what makes this country really special.

HAYES: That`s really -- you also I feel like have a unique
perspective because you were involved in politics before you were a
citizen, right? I mean, before you were -- so the political process says
this is the category of people that get to vote, right? But we also have
this great thing called the First Amendment that guarantees speech rights
and those speech rights don`t -- you have those speech rights whether
you`re documented or not, right?

We have a big roiling debate in this country whether you -- and that
allows a kind of politics that the DREAMers have really shaped, partly
because of that First Amendment protection where you can participate in
politics. We`ll talk to someone who participated in an explicit way by
taking down the flag in South Carolina.

PRAELI: Yes, even if you don`t have the power to vote, you can still
affect politics. You`ve seen that with the way the DREAMers have
confronted power lead on and spoken the truth. They were never shied away
from their own personal story and I think the fact we can do that and we
weren`t put in a bus and sent back to our country of origin, that is
happening. But the fact that we could express ourselves and being real
about who we were in America, that`s incredible. And you don`t find that
when you go to other countries.

HAYES: Josh, you got thoughts about immigrant experience and invasion
and a city in America. I agree with you on this. It`s going to be a
controversial choice.

Jelani, you got some thoughts, as well.

I want to talk and hear what you have to say, if we take this break.
We`ll be back with more "All in the USA" special cookout spectacular,
getting slightly damp on the streets of New York.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HAYES: Today, Jim Webb entered the presidential race. You know what
that means, it`s time for an update in the "ALL IN 2016 fantasy candidate
draft.

(BEGIN VIDEOI CLIP)

JOY REID, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: I`m going to double down on my luck
and go with 13.

HAYES: I like it. I like it. A money ball strategy here and you got
Jim Webb.

ANNOUNCER: Jim Webb, he`s the dark horse candidate from the
commonwealth of Virginia. He`s a Vietnam veteran and former secretary of
the Navy. Give it up for former Virginia Senator Jim Webb.

REID: Yes.

(APPLAUSE)

REID: I`m OK with this. I`m okay with this because I think Jim Webb
actually will run if for no other reason to set himself up to be vice
president and in his mind, to pull Hillary Clinton back to the right as
Elizabeth Warren is pulling her to the left.

HAYES: Jim Webb takes himself so seriously, we couldn`t come up with
a single joke.

REID: That`s right.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HAYES: And with Joy Reid`s prediction coming true, and Jim Webb
officially entering the race today via e-mail, all of Joy`s roster is now
running for president, which gives her 500 points. She`s currently tied
for first place on our board with Michael Steele.

Up next, much more of what makes America great, including our ability
to beat back the rain with popup tents as we head to the Fourth of July
weekend from our "All In The USA" special cookout spectacular.

Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

ANNOUNCER: The "All In The USA" special continues. But first another
Independence Day fact. This year, America would turn 239 years young.

Here`s TV`s Chris Hayes.

HAYES: All right. We`re back with Josh Barro, Lorella Praeli and
Jelani Cobb, talking about what makes America great.

And one of the things that makes America great is this roof terrace on
the 11th (ph) floor -- story of the Comcast building.

Josh Barro, what makes America great?

BARRO: So, we were e-mailing and Las Vegas makes America great.

HAYES: I agree.

BARRO: Las Vegas is the most uniquely American place because it`s
simultaneously so awesome and so stupid. And it`s like, we`re just going
to build this thing in the middle of the desert and we`ll rebuild the Lake
Cuomo, and the Italian lakes region and people will play blackjack and
people come with dreams against all odds and believe they will win because
America is optimistic.

HAYES: And I -- here is the thing I love about Vegas, I love Vegas, I
love going to Vegas.

One of the things I love about Vegas, too, is it is a unionized town
and that makes a huge difference in terms of the durability of the middle
class now. They`ve been hammered by the financial crisis. Huge bubble and
it collapsed. But it is true that if you work in the service industry, in
Vegas, by and large, you`re either union and you`re making a living wage,
or you`re getting the wages set and housing is cheap.

And one of the things that makes being middle class in America hard
right now, two things are wages are low and housing is expensive, right?
When you have a place where wages are high and wages are cheap, those are
the pillars, that, plus education gives you the pillars of being able to
middle class, and Vegas has figured a lot of that out.

BARRO: Well, the cheap housing is a really key part of that and
related to the wide open spaces thing about America. People don`t always
love tracked housing and endless like plots over and over again of the same
suburban house, but it does produce an affordable way of housing people and
people can own that middle class dream home where you have a lawn or maybe
in the case of Las Vegas, desert plantings.

HAYES: Yes.

They are doing an amazing job on water consumption there.

BARRO: Yes. You know, in New York, people, the city living here is
great, but it`s necessarily very expensive, especially when you have the
rules in New York that make it difficult to build new homes. You can build
lots and lots of new homes in Las Vegas and it`s made it a real middle
class town.

HAYES: All right. Jelani Cobb, what do you want to talk about that
makes America great?

COBB: Public libraries.

HAYES: I love public libraries.

COBB: Absolutely. It goes back to the thing that Jefferson said, if
you`re creating a government that is dependant upon the will of the people,
the government has anchor, save the people`s intelligence.

So, the idea and I`ve got this from the American Library Association,
there are 119,000 libraries in the United States. Not all public but
119,000 places in this country where you can go learn something. So, I`ve
always said that archivist and librarians are kind of like my vote for the
best Americans, but for what I do as a historian and for what professional
historians do, I work with the impossible with archivists and libraries.

But for the basic idea of knowledge being accessible and public and
available to anyone, that`s an amazing idea.

HAYES: I got to say, there are so many libraries, like my experience
in the Bronx growing up, they were de facto daycare and after school
centers. The way kids parents who work for awhile essentially took care of
themselves and God bless these librarians who work in these libraries
because like a whole troop of kids would show up at the library, like a
bunch of rowdy nine-year-old boys to do their homework at the library and
the librarian on duty was the person who got the wonderful job of basically
watching everyone, but that was like a hugely central part of growing up in
New York City for a lot of people.

PRAELI: I grew up in New Milford, Connecticut, a small town in
Connecticut, but I actually, when I first moved to the United States I
would walk to the library with my sister every day. We weren`t enrolled in
school and that`s where I begin to learn a lot of my English. It was
asking the librarian questions, getting all the books that I wanted,
playing the games, and that`s where I felt at home for awhile.

So, you know, it`s access to knowledge but also is a welcoming place
for a lot of immigrants across the United States.

COBB: That`s true. I was in a public library in Queens a couple
weeks ago and I mean, of course there are books and DVDs, but there were
resume classes and there was Internet access, of course, and all sorts of
things in the community largely Spanish-speaking and materials in Spanish
and in community events.

And so, we had things that happened of basically anchors for entire
communities happening in libraries.

HAYES: The depressing part to think about is something my friend says
is if libraries didn`t exist, like you could not introduce them. You
couldn`t go to the publishing industry and say we`re going to set up these
public buildings and give your product to anyone for free to anyone that
comes in. They would lose their mind.

But the fact that they do exist and the fact that you can go and get
the latest book, you can get DVDs and lots of libraries serve people of
different languages is an amazing thing, and very sort of like distinctly
American institution in the way that it`s flowered here.

All right. There`s lots more to come what is great about America.
We`re going to have the following things happen.

Bree Newsome, the woman who climbed up that flag pole and took down
the Confederate flag, she`s going to join me. We`re going to do a
guacamole taste test after the most controversial issue in America, aside
from the Confederate flag happened yesterday.

And when we come back, we will have Bree Newsome.

Thanks to Josh, to Lorella, and Jelani. Some of you, stick around.
We`ll see you later.

Stick around.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HAYES: All right. It seems fitting as we approach Independence Day,
that the South Carolina legislature appears to be on track to take down a
flag of treason, the Confederate flag, which right now stands on the state
house grounds could happen in a vote as early as next week.

Of course, just after dawn Saturday, someone did take the flag down,
Bree Newsome, with the help of her collaborator in that act of civil
disobedience, James Tyson. They were both arrested and charged with
defacing a public monument, which carries of fine of up to $5,000 and up to
three years behind bars. The flag, of course, was replaced later that day.

Joining me now, filmmaker and activist, Bree Newsome, South Carolina
House minority leader and attorney for Bree Newsome, Todd Rutherford, and
activist James Tyson, who was also arrested.

Bree, you are -- that image was sort of instantly icon iconic. Just
start up and telling me like, who are you and how did you end up at the top
of the flag pole in Columbia?

BREE NEWSOME, FILMMAKER AND ACTIVIST: Yes. Well, I`m an activist and
organizers there in North Carolina, Charlotte, North Carolina, which is
just an hour outside of Columbia, like a lot of people I watched in horror
what unfolded over the past couple weeks and just the insult of the flag
being there in particularly while the victims are being buried.

And so, you know, a few other activists, including James, just came
together and met to see if we could bring the flag down and once we
realized there was a way, we felt absolutely, let`s do it.

HAYES: You -- this is something you`ve been part of activism around
kind of Black Lives Matter, civil rights movement stuff in this really
vibrant movement that`s grown up the last five years before this action,
right?

NEWSOME: Yes, yes, even before the Black Lives Matter thing became
kind of moved to the national forefront, I was also organizing around the
issue of voting rights there in North Carolina because we had a series of
very retrograde policies going on and feels like we`re going backwards.
It`s just like one thing after the other.

And so, then, you know, the attack on the black church was just one
more thing that feels like we are 50 years, 100 years back from where we
were.

HAYES: All right. So, you plan this action and decide screw it,
we`re just going to take it down if they are doodling. Have you climbed
before?

NEWSOME: No.

HAYES: You never climbed before?

NEWSOME: I never climbed a poll before.

HAYES: So, you got a small group of people, and someone said, who`s
going to do it, and you said?

NEWSOME: Yes, I volunteered to do it. I knew that would require two
days of training, so there was a lot of environmentalist activist that had
done that before, really awesome people and so they taught me how to climb
a pole.

HAYES: There`s a cross issue training session --

NEWSOME: It was. Absolutely.

HAYES: -- environmental activist who had done climbing, this is how
you throw a rig.

NEWSOME: Yes, this is entirely like a coalition --

HAYES: That`s fascinating.

NEWSOME: -- a group of activists from random places coming together.

HAYES: All right. The morning it happens, get there at 5:30 in the
morning, right, James?

JAMES TYSON, ACTIVIST: We were there at about 4:30. We were ready at
5:30.

HAYES: OK. So, you`re the spotter, right, on the ground while she`s
climbing. Are you looking out to see if there are cops around?

TYSON: Yes, I was training with Bree and helping facilitate the
training for Bree how to climb. So, I was there with her because I had
been training with her the last three days before that.

HAYES: Now, as soon as you start to climb, do the cops show up,
right?

NEWSOME: Yes, so the goal was to get over the fence and get 15 feet
up, which I would be out to reach. So from that point on, it was come
down, ma`am, no, you`re going to be arrested, OK. You know.

HAYES: So you went up, you were reciting a Psalm if I`m not mistaken.

NEWSOME: Yes.

HAYES: The Lord is my life and my savior, who shall I fear, right?

You grabbed the flag and you come down, and they say?

NEWSOME: You are under arrest. You know, we were completely prepared
for that, you know, going into an action like this. We talk through the
possible legal ramifications for it. They hit us with the toughest charge
they could and we were prepared for that possibility.

HAYES: Representative Rutherford, obviously, this comes in the midst
of this polarized debate about this, although it`s actually maybe not as
polarized as you think, if there seems to be a consensus around getting
this flag down, appears to have the votes. Does this action, how does this
action play out? Does it make people say these activists are being I`m
patient and we have a process or does it galvanize people, like, oh, yes,
we could just get this thing down?

STATE REP. TODD RUTHERFORD (D), SOUTH CAROLINA: I think people would
also try to blame somebody for their vote, if they didn`t to take it down.
But the reality is, those people that don`t want to vote for take it down
are looking for any reason to blame rather than the truth, which is this is
a flag of hatred, bigotry and needs to come down.

Bree became a hero to many people because so many of us wanted to go
up and take that flag down. We`re so tired of pretending we`re not
bothered by it and we are. We`re tired of saying it doesn`t represent
exactly what it does, which is a history of racism and history of slavery.

HAYES: So, you guys are facing serious charges. I mean, this was an
act of civil disobedience. Are you -- James, are you prepared to go to
jail for this?

TYSON: Well, I mean, let me just say like this, I suppose. What this
could potentially do, you know, how this could help, how this furthers the
conversation, how this could create like the context for making change,
real change, and like maybe potentially helping end racism. You know,
that`s so much bigger than me.

You know, and even if three years, we`re talking about three years,
I`ll do that. I`ll take that. I`ll take that, if I feel like that helps
to end racism, you know? Because as a white person, you know, white people
perpetuate white supremacy and racism, right? So, as a white person, I
have a certain responsibility, you know, if I feel like I`m morally
compelled to do it, which I do, then therefore whatever the consequences
are and the consequences are really that severe shows how broken the system
really is.

HAYES: How about you, Bree?

NEWSOME: Yes, I mean, I think sometimes people forget that this is
what direct action non-violence looks like. You know --

HAYES: You know the law is going to come for you and you face the
law.

NEWSOME: Absolutely, that`s the history of it. And, quite frankly, I
mean, the night that Reverend Pinckney was assassinated was the moment that
I had to come to grips with the fact that`s part of it, as well, in terms
of continuing in the work of civil rights and fighting for freedom. It
includes jail and sometimes it includes risk to your life, and those are
things I considered when I made the decision to climb the pole.

HAYES: As Bree`s lawyer, it will be a little difficult to throw the
book at her if that`s happening after a vote is had to take down the flag.

RUTHERFORD: That`s a very important part. Both of us recognize
although they climbed the flag pole, although they climbed up here to take
the flag down, they still didn`t damage the flag. They simply unhooked it.
They didn`t bring it down and burn it. They handed it over to the police
as soon as they got down.

They showed respect, which Dylann Roof didn`t show, which defiers of
that flag have never shown.

HAYES: You`re going to be voting on this, too.

RUTHERFORD: Absolutely. I believe we have the votes to take it down.

HAYES: All right. So, we`re doing a show out in this lovely, this
must be so random for you, came here in New York on to rooftop in
Rockefeller Center.

What do you love about America, Bree Newsome?

BREE NEWSOME, FILMMAKER: What I love about America is the premise
that all men are created equal. I mean, and I think that`s the one thing
that has kind of been our saving grace through all these many, many dark
days of history, you know what I mean, because even though we had that
official Independence Day in 1776, I mean, the truth is that ever since
then, it has been the story of everyone who is not a wealthy white property
owning male trying to be participate in this democracy

HGAYES: Included in that.

NEWSOME: Included in that, you know what I mean. And that`s the
struggle that continues today. And so, you know, as much as people talk
about the confederacy is being history, I think that that struggle is a
much more important and proud history, particularly in the south that I`m
proud to be part of as an African-American and as an American.

HAYES: Bree Newsome, Todd Rutherford and James Tyson, a great
pleasure to have you here tonight.

NEWSOME: Thank you.

HAYES: Much more of All In the USA special cookout spectacular still
to come, including a look at all the great things America makes. Stay with
us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HAYES: All right, America, you may have thought the Confederate flag
or perhaps the Affordable Care Act or marriage equality were the most
divisive, contentious issues in the American discourse, but you would be
wrong, because yesterday we learned what really, really divides Americans,
that is the question of guacamole and whether you should add peas to it.

There`s this weird, how would I describe it, an internet brush fire
that happened yesterday. The New York Times tweeted out an innocuous
recipe just suggesting that people put green peas -- add green peas to your
guacamole. I think it was the commanding trust us that rubbed people the
wrong way.

Anyway, this became this very polarizing topic. It even got to the
president of the United States doing a twitter chat who had to respond a
respect the NYT but
not buying peas in guac. Onion, garlic, which is questionable by the way,
hot peppers, period, classic.

All right, so we`re going to do something that yesterday when we
thought of it seemed like a fresh and novel idea by today has been done by
literally every television program in America, but we`re going to do it
anyway because we`re committing to the bit.

And joining me now to do it, are Annette Lopez, senior finance editor
at Business Insider. Jordan Carlos, comedian and writer for the one, the
only nightly show with Larry Wilmore, which you should watch tonight. Bree
Newsome will be on that this evening, if I`m not mistaken. Liz Winstead,
our friend and co-creator of the Daily Show and back of the table, my man,
my friend, Jalani Cobb.

All right, here is what we`re going to do. Let`s start -- everyone
take a chip. Now, I think we start with the regular non-pea guac.

JALANI COBB: Sure.

HAYES: Did you already eat?

LIZ WINSTEAD, CO-CREATOR THE DAILY SHOW: Non-pea guac?

HAYES: Yes, the non-pea guac. The regular guac.

COBB: That doesn`t sound appealing.

WINSTEAD: Regular guac. Let`s go with regular.

HAYES: Right, there`s no peas.

COBB: Nature intended it, yes.

HAYES: OK, take the regular guac. And we`ll call this the control
in scientific terms.

I worked all day making that, so, just.

A good, classic guac.

NEWSOME: Standard. You like it, I like it, everyone likes it.

HAYES: Creamy, the liminess, a little bit of onion. I`m not crazy
about raw onion. I don`t know about you guys, but that`s me.

NEWSOME: Love. I love raw onion.

HAYES: Great. Perfect.

All right, so now is the moment of truth.

Now I just want to make sure that no one is going to get into a brawl
or feel the need to riot or punch anyone when they have the guac with peas,
because that`s sort of what I got from the internet yesterday was that`s
how angry and upset you
should be about it.

(CROSSTALK)

WINSTEAD: Can I just interject one thing before we eat?

HAYES: Before we taste it, yeah.

WINSTEAD: OK. I`m from Minnesota and people might remember that last
Thanksgiving The New York Times also had a major fail with the Minnesota
grape salad that doesn`t exist and Minnesota went crazy.

HAYES: You`ve been holding a grudge on this for two years. I think
you talked about this.

WINSTEAD: Yes, and so I just want to say it is not your most trusted
food group idea thing place.

(CROSSTALK)

ANETTE LOPEZ, BUSINESS INSIDER: Let me tell you something. Let me
tell you something. The New York Times, you`re not my dad and you never
will be and my dad is the only one who
can make me eat peas, but I`m going to do it. I`m going to do it.

And Chris Hayes, apparently.

HAYES: Annette Lopez: New York Times you`re not my dad.

LOPEZ: You`re not my dad.

HAYES: I think it was the trust us that got everyone.

LOPEZ: It was the trust us.

HAYES: Now we`re going try it with the peas, there is a little bit of
sunflower seeds, I think, in here, too.

COBB: Yeah, it`s texture.

NEWSOME: Yeah, but this guac has clearly been given a lot more love
and care than the other guac.

COBB: No, I like this -- I do like this. Ii like the peas.

LOPEZ: It`s delicious.

HAYES: It`s perfectly delicious America.

COBB: POTUS should be on peas.

HAYES: It`s perfectly delicious. Don`t you think, Jalani?

COBB: It tastes like totalitarianism.

WINSTEAD: Again with this.

HAYES: It tastes like the death of freedom.

No, it actually...

COBB: It tastes American, because you`re mixing it up and trying
something new.

(CROSSTALK)

HAYES: I think it actually tastes totally good.

COBB: It`s really good, man.

WINSTEAD: Here`s the thing, if you were having, like, I`m going to go
out and have some guacamole and I want the guacamole that I know and love,
then don`t go to the peas.

HAYES: No, but it`s surprisingly new.

WINSTEAD: But it`s fun.

LOPEZ: It`s definitely a blue state...

(CROSSTALK)

HAYES: We will get into the true American spirit by bragging about
this stuff we are really really awesome at. Stay with us.

This is good.

Blue state.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HAYES: All right. We`re celebrating America on this Fourth of July
weekend, taking a moment to look at what makes America great and what great
things America makes. We`re going to have much more of that right after
this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HAYES: All right. We are back here on a beautiful green verdant
terrace amidst the Comcast building, newly renamed Comcast building.

There is some fun happening -- it`s sort of ersatz fun, to be totally
honest, staged mostly for your enjoyment at home you viewers.

We are talking about on this patriotic evening before the July 4th
weekend, we are talking about what makes America great.

Still with me to talk about the things that America makes that are
great, see what I did there.

Linette Lopez, Jordan Carlos and Liz Winstead.

All right, here is one thing that America makes. I`m slightly
obsessed with
America exporting its cultural products particularly, which I always find
fascinating. Whenever you travel like it`s crazy to go to a place and
realize how like I`m in Croatia but they are watching Seinfeld, which is
dubbed into Croatian. And they freaking love it. They love it. They love
Seinfeld. It`s like wow this is really specific humor that managed to make
it over here.

JORDAN CARLOS: Everyone loves a show about nothing.

HAYES: In fact, there is an amazing article about translating
Seinfeld and a bout how hard it is. That`s just a side note.

But here is one of my favorite things to do when you`re abroad
anywhere is listen local rap music, because as a Bronx native, it is an
amazing thing to me that this cultural product that was born of this very
specific time and place which was the Bronx in the 1980s, when you had all
these Caribbean immigrants whoh ad come in and the place was just totally
desolate, people were throwing these parties in these abandoned buildings,
where they were throwing rent parties, everyone was
broke, the Bronx was literally burning. This cultural product got produced
which is rap. You -- I was doing this today with the second producer for
this segment. I was like come in, coming in, I was like, what do you want
Egyptian rap? And I`d Google Egyptian rap. Croatian rap? Croatian rap.
You want like rap from Turkmenistan, there is rap from Turkmenistan. There
is rap probably everywhere but North Korea.

WINSTEAD: Liechtenstein?

HAYES: You know, he was being a wiseacre and said Monaco. And I was
like, there is no Monaco.

WINSTEAD: I`m pretty sure Monaco buys their rap. They don`t have it,
they import it. And it`s very fine.

HAYES: But it is kind of amazing that like this product is
everywhere. And when you watch -- when you go on YouTube, or when you`re
in another country, and you listen to it, it like it is this amazing, like,
voice of the marginalized and disaffected in Egypt where or the voice of
marginalized and disaffected in France or whatever place you happen to be.

CARLOS: Our music like permeates. And that`s great. Like hip-hop is
universal. And that`s -- I love that.

I mean, some countries have it kind of easy like Spanish hip-hop --
you know, Spanish rap, there`s like there`s so many like everything ends in
a vowel.

HAYES: Every word rhymes.

CARLOS: Yeah, every word rhymes. So like that`s -- I mean, that`s
kind of, eh, I`ve got to call BS on that.

But, I do love -- no offense -- but I do love -- like I`m very
thankful for like the blues. Like I love John Lee Hooker, which is another
American product. It`s amazing.

The blues is like one of the only things you can play where everybody
-- like late at night where everybody is totally comfortable with it.

HAYES: And that`s another thing that came out of this very specific
like geographically bound like very specific American experience of like
the delta, like African-America delta life and this very specific cultural
form that it turns out everyone freaking loves.

LOPEZ: New Orleans is a national treasure.

(CROSSTALK)

WINSTEAD: And then all those white people made money off of it.

HAYES: That`s also true.

CARLOS: Thank you. Monetized, yes.

HAYES: That`s true.

LOPEZ: The Atradition.

HAYES: Linette Lopez, what do we make here in America that you love?

LOPEZ: I brought with me in my heart, I brought ranch dressing.

HAYES: Ranch dressing, you are absolutely right is the like.

LOPEZ: First of all, I`m looking around this picnic, which is a
gorgeous
picnic, a glorious picnic and there is no ranch dressing in this spread.

CARLOS: I was going to say something.

HAYES: Christian, we -- is there no -- is that right?

LOPEZ: There is no no ranch dressing here

CARLOS: I mean, (inaudible) come up here and get us some ranch
dressing?

LOPEZ: You can put ranch dressing on chicken, you can put it on
pizza.

HAYES: By the way, my poor director has worked like for 24 hours
straight with no sleep. So, just cut the guy a little slack.

LOPEZ: I show up and I`m like where`s the dressing? Where is the
ranch?

Listen, I googled it, apparently ranch dressing has 145 calories per
serving. I don`t -- perhaps it`s true but no one has one serving of ranch
dressing. You have like 70 servings of ranch dressing.

WINSTEAD: Can I also point out that ranch dressing is actually a
beverage in this country? The way that people consume ranch dressing is
utterly appalling.

LOPEZ: But see...

HAYES: No outpacing out over ketchup?

CARLOS: Is it really?

HAYES: I think it`s like -- in one of the most popular condiments --
by the way, can we just to call out my producers, could we pull up that
amazing bit of ranch dressing?

LOPEZ: Take your rightful spot...

HAYES: Photo right there...

CARLOS: Look at that. Yes.

WINSTEAD: Wait, wait, wait. Can I just say what you should have
pulled up, and maybe you can on the break, there is -- you know how they
have a chocolate fountain, they have a ranch dressing fountain...

LOPEZ: No, they don`t.

WINSTEAD: Yes, they do. There`s a ranch dressing fountain. Google
ranch dressing fountain. You will see it pouring out of a fountain with
people of no boundaries, just slotting their hands.

LOPEZ: No.

WINSTEAD: No boundaries.

(CROSSTALK)

CARLOS: Go now. do it now.

HAYES: This is a challenge for the producers in the control room to
see if they can pull up.

WINSTEAD: It`s reprehensible.

HAYES Lizz Winstead, what does America make that is great.

WINSTEAD: Can I show?

HAYES: Yeah -- well, I don`t know.

CARLOS: Oh, you talking about boots?

HAYES; Oh, yes.

LOPEZ: Oh, yeah, ladies.

WINSTEAD; The fry boot, 1863 Marlboro, Massachusetts. I`ve owned
three of this exact boot.

HAYES: Look at that. That`s a perfect -- nice job.

WINSTEAD; It`s American as pie and the thing that I love so much
about
it is I tweeted one time how much I loved my fry boots and Michelle Malkin
tweeted back at me -- this may be the only time I ever agree with you, but
fry boots Lizz
Winston are the greatest thing, you and I have each other`s back on fry
boots.

HAYES: This brings -- this bring people together...

CARLOS: Fry boots are great.

HAYES: I have heard of it that people tend to serve ranch dressing
out of
fry boots.

LOPEZ: If you`re at a really classy place...

CARLOS: That`s the most American thing you can...

HAYES: The most American thing you can possibly.

LOPEZ: It`s like John Kerry, the ambassador to France, Queen
Elizabeth, they`re all ranch dressing out of fry boot.

WINSTEAD: You know, ranch dressing is kind of bleu cheese for
weaksauce
people.

CARLOS: Whoa, whoa.

HAYES: Shots fired.

That`s super snobby actually.

WINSTEAD: No, it`s not.

LOPEZ: Ranch dressing is made of several delicious herbs and spices.

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

LOPEZ: That I think deserve their due.

WINSTEAD: The all American spices.

LOPEZ: Google them.

CARLOS: All new world spices and herbs.

LOPEZ: And some garlic.

HAYES: First of all, they are in totally different
categories...second of all...

WINSTEAD: People tweet at me and tell me I`m right.

LOPEZ: Ranch dressing is fresh, bleu cheese is aged. I think that`s
something we need to consider.

HAYES: I want to talk about one of my other favorite things in
America makes, and it`s sports, which is basketball, which I love and a few
other things that we`re going to continue drinking our lemonade and not
eating ranch dressing and seeing sif by the time this break ends, we can
pull up a video off YouTube of a ranch dressing fountain.

It`s been a gorgeous night for our first All In the USA special
cookout spectacular. There it is. Make it happen. That`s it.

Magic.

Stick around for more videos. We`ve got more gems like that
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HAYES: We are talking about what makes America -- what America makes
that is great on our All In the USA special cookout spectacular.

We have Linette Lopez, Jordan Carlos and Lizz Winstead.

All right, I love basketball -- now basketball we should say -- hat
tip to the Canadians before you`re jumping down my throat.

Joseph Naismith, who invented it, was Canadian. So, yes, it was
invented by a Canadian.

LOPEZ: Wow, didn`t know that.

HAYES: See, important.

But it is an American sport. It`s an American export, particularly.

LOPEZ: We certainly perfected it.

HAYES: And I remember I was traveling through South America. I was
in this tiny town in Peru years ago where the bus broke down and I was in
this tiny, tiny town in the Andes. I mean, this was like maybe 200 people.
There was essentially no running water. There was nothing in this town.
And our bus broke down and we had to like hang out there for awhile until
they sent another bus. And in the town
square in Tikatika, it`s the name of this little town. I still remember.
Tikatika, Peru, in the Andes, in the town square there was a basketball
court with two hoops and like people were playing basketball and I was
like, that is amazing. That is absolutely amazing. And that`s another
thing that, you know, listening to hip-hop when you travel, like going and
playing pickup ball.

And you can go play pickup ball. Anywhere, when I lived in Italy I
played pickup ball. Like, again, totally universal. I know everyone in
the world loves soccer, and obviously soccer is the global game, which we
maybe talk about in a little bit.

CARLOS: But did the kids have handles? I mean, in Tikatika.

HAYES: No, people could play. That`s the other thing. Like people
could play. There is something always about any sport that you`re playing
with someone where you don`t have a language in common feels kind of like
magic because liked you can`t communicate in any other way but the one way,
but the one way which -- like, oh if you cut, I`m going to give you a
bounce pass, and like -- we understand each other that way even if like we
literally don`t speak the same language.

WINSTEAD: And it`s like basketball, soccer, sex, you don`t have to
have money to have it be great, you know...

LOPEZ: Not if you`re good.

WINSTEAD: It`s like when you`re good...

LOPEZ: Not if you`re good at it.

WINSTEAD: I`m not making a bad analogy here, Jordan.

CARLOS: No, you`re making a great analogy. It`s amazing.

HAYES: Soccer, sex, you don`t have to have money to enjoy it.

WINSTEAD: Right.

HAYES: Very true.

(CROSSTALK)

WINSTEAD: So, it`s how you can really start communicating with people who
did not grow up with you.

HAYES: America invented sex, too, so it`s a little known fact.

WINSTEAD: Yeah, America did invent sex.

HAYES: You have a sports-related answer to the question of what
America makes that is great.

WINSTEAD: Women soccer players.

HAYES: We literally make the best in the world.

WINSTEAD: We make the best in the world. And it`s so great, we make
the best in the world and then it`s so creepy that we make them play in
these horrifying conditions, but -- and that we don`t honor them the way we
honor males who are, who excel the way these women do in their fields.

HAYES: Although, our women`s national team, is -- people love that
team. Vice President Biden I just say today and Jill Biden are to be going
to Vancouver to watch the final, which is going to be played -- the U.S.
versus Japan. The reason it`s going to be Japan and not England -- I don`t
know if we have this video.

CARLOS: Heartbreaking.

HAYES: It`s just this absolutely crushing own goal in injury time
last night. It`s a tied game, it`s in the second minute. It`s 90 plus two
minutes.

1-1, they`re clearing the ball and the fullback whose name is Laura
Bassett for the Lionesses, as they are called, accidentally, she`s just
trying to clear and she ends up putting it through...

CARLOS: Who has ever cleared a goal that way. It`s a toe touch out
to the side of the goal. That lady obviously was rooting for Japan.

WINSTEAD: Somebody is going to be watching her...

HAYES: You think the fix was in?

CARLOS: Yeah, the fix is in.

She probably cleaned up with the bookies the next day. I`m just
saying.

HAYES: There is a problem with that in soccer.

Linette, you have -- I see you have here two things. You have Larry
David.

LOPEZ: Larry David is an American treasure, much like Josh Barro who
was on the segment earlier, I consider him also an American...

But Larry David, he makes people understand our weird sense of humor.
He...

HAYES: No, that`s what I was just saying about Seinfeld, it`s true.
It translates surprisingly well.

LOPEZ: It translates surprisingly well, because awkward is an
international language.

So, I think that Larry David is able to say to the world, oh, yes, you
see us America, we are like these swaggering cowboy George Bush people, but
we`re just as awkward as we are. We, too, get in situations where we`re
sleeping next to people we want to leave our homes. Like we, too, have
friends we don`t actually like just like you.

So...

HAYES: Larry David is the flip side of the Marlboro Man of American
archetypes to be exported across the world.

LOPEZ: I remember the first time I saw him win an award, and I don`t
remember if it was an Emmy or whatever, but he came on stage and he said
this is all well and good but I`m still bald.

(LAUGHTER)

LOPEZ: And it was so awesome.

CARLOS: If I ever go bald, I`m like -- I feel good because a person
has definitely succeeded.

HAYES: Oh, yeah. It also speaks to the idea that like we have again,
a very
specific kind of like neurotic Jewish, overly kind of like overly caught in
your own head sensibility. You discover these things have universal
appeal.

WINSTEAD: You mean...

HAYES: Yes, that`s a very good. I was trying to be gentle, but like,
yes, actually clinical narcissism.

CARLOS: ...narcissism, anxiety and...

LOPEZ: And unapologeticness is part of who we are. We don`t
apologize. We don`t apologize.

WINSTEAD: I`m not sure that`s a great export.

HAYES: Well, that`s a little more complicated...

LOPEZ: I didn`t say we were perfect.

HAYES: National parks.

CARLOS: National parks.

I love the national parks and I think that America definitely got that
right and I`m going to Arcadia, you know what I mean, and I just -- I think
it`s great. We can encapsulate it, like we can put nature in a mason jar
a little bit. That`s probably the wrong way to say it.

But at least we did that. I don`t know if we could do that now. I
don`t know if we could actually be like, yo, you know what, we can`t
develop this stuff.

WINSTEAD: Howard Hughes put a lot of nature in mason jars and it was
weird.

CARLOS: It was weird.

HAYES: No, but you`re right about that. It`s like -- it is like
libraries. We got that right at the right moment and then protected that
land. And if you tried now to come in on land and be like we`re going to
take this away from you and make a park here?

We were lucky that at the right moment we got it right.

LOPEZ: You had the right people.

HAYES: All right, Linette Lopez, Jordan Carlos, Lizz Winstead, thank
you for coming and hanging out with me.

LOPEZ: Thanks for having us.

WINSTEAD: It was fun.

HAYES: Eating the delicious guacamole.

LOPEZ: I can`t stop eating the peas and I hate myself.

(CROSSTALK)

HAYES: We had actual food over there.

I want to say a special thank you today to this amazing crew we have
up here. We have like 40 people up here, somehow.

Christian, who is our amazing, brilliant visionary director had the
disfortune of me tossing off this idea about 48 hours ago. It will be fun.
We`ll go do it outside. And had to work incredibly hard and tirelessly as
have all these
people who are behind the camera, some you can`t see, so they are amazing.
They do amazing work every day, but you should know that they are doing
particularly
amazing work today.

Have a great Fourth of July. USA. USA.

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