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Show: POLITICS NATION
Date: July 8, 2015
Guest: Jonathan Capehart; Andrew Cuomo; Marlon Kimpson, Jamal Simmons,
Diane Latiker, Cinque Dunn


REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Tonight on "Politics Nation," NBC interview
with Donald Trump, over 29 minutes of defiance. He was making no apologies
and he actually said he`ll win the Latino vote.

Plus the confederate flag controversy. We`re live in South Carolina for a
debate that included talk of a, quote, "war of northern aggression."

And New York governor Andrew Cuomo just appointed the state attorney
general as special prosecutor for police-involved killings. Governor Cuomo
joins me live for a live interview.

Welcome to "Politics Nation."

We begin with one of the most interesting television interviews we`ll ever
see. Donald Trump sitting down today with NBC for 29 minutes. It was a
contentious and at times odd interview. He was defiant, slamming all his
critics, but the real he came in defense of his now infamous Mexican rapist
comment.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You wouldn`t even be hearing
about the word "immigration" if it wasn`t for Donald Trump. Immigration is
a word, illegal immigration. I brought the whole subject up.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Yes, he did. And his comment has created chaos for the
Republican Party, just 29 days before their first debate. They have been
forced to talk immigration, and he`s refusing to back away from his
controversial comments.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: There`s nothing to apologize for. There`s nothing to apologize
for. Read my statement. My statement is referring to Mexico and they`re
pushing a lot of bad people into our country.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: He said the people coming here from Mexico are, quote, "bringing
drugs, they`re bringing crime, they`re rapists." But he thinks he can win
the Latino vote.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: I have great relationship with the Mexican people. I have many
people working for me. You can look at the job in Washington. I have many
legal immigrants working for me. Many of them come from Mexico. They love
me, I love them. And I`ll tell you something, if I get the nomination,
I`ll win the Latino vote. I will win it because I`m going to create jobs.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Joining me now are Jonathan Capehart and Jimmy Williams. Thank
you for being here.

JONATHAN CAPEHART, WASHINGTON POST: Thank you very much, Rev.

SHARPTON: Jonathan, Trump says he`ll win the Latino vote. Really? I was
going to say your reaction, but you already started.

CAPEHART: Yes. I`m laughing.

SHARPTON: Your non-laughing reaction.

CAPEHART: Well, I`m laughing because President Obama won the Latino vote
against Mitt Romney, he got 71 percent of the Latino vote, an amazing
number. Mitt Romney got below 20 percent. The idea that Donald Trump is
going to win the Latino vote after insulting Mexicans coming over to this
country, calling them, as you read the quote, you know, they`re rapists,
they`re bad people, and then to add on top of it and saying and some of
them are good people, it`s an insulting remark that he`s been trying --
that he`s been doubling down on, because he`s been attacked for it. He`s
losing business because of it. And the idea that he`s going to win the
Latino vote despite it is insane.

SHARPTON: But Jimmy, I think the gravity of this to me, in terms of this
statement, is it`s almost like it`s not offensive to say to people that
you`re criminals and you`re rapists, but you love me. I mean, it`s -- at
one level it`s laughable, but at another level, it`s even more deeply
offensive, like you don`t think they have any self-respect or self-regard
at the kinds of things you`ve said.

JIMMY WILLIAMS, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Yes. So I remember when I came out of
the closet some of my friends said, I have lots of gay friends. I`m like
that makes it better for you, doesn`t it. And I`m sure that you as an
African-American, as a black male growing up in this country, that people
would say, I have black friends. Right.

So here`s the deal. The deal is I don`t need your sympathy, I don`t need
your empathy either. I simply need you to stop being offensive and racist.
And that is what this is. And if Donald Trump doesn`t see that. If Paul
La Page, the governor of Maine doesn`t see this, a long line of radical,
maniacal politicians, and that`s what this is, this is a mania per se,
Reverend Al.

And what he is saying if he doesn`t understand that at some level, at any
level what he`s saying is offensive, then that should tell you everything
you need to know about his candidacy, about his own self-awareness. He has
a bigger - actually no, he doesn`t have a bigger problem. The Republican
Party has a bigger problem. And that is he gets on that stage in 29 days
and early August and gets on the stage with those Republicans and says
crazy stuff like that, what are they going to do, support him or oppose
him?

SHARPTON: I think, Jimmy, you hit on the bigger problem is that if he
doesn`t see it as offensive --

WILLIAMS: Right.

SHARPTON: And they took it on, some of them very late. Jeb Bush to his
credit was a little earlier. But they have not seemed outraged. And
Hillary Clinton, she really tied the whole Republican Party to him,
including Jeb Bush. Trump said he forced the immigration conversation to
the forefront. She agreed and then tied the whole party in. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, he doesn`t believe in a
path to citizenship. If he did at one time, he no longer does. And so
pretty much, as I said, they`re on a spectrum of, you know, hostility,
which I think is really regrettable in a nation of immigrants like ours,
all the way to kind of grudging acceptance but refusal to go with a pathway
to citizenship.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: So, Jonathan, they have got to deal in a very firm way that
they`re severing away from Trump or they don`t have a shot at really the
Latino vote, and a lot of fair-minded American voters that are not Latino.

CAPEHART: Here`s what`s so brilliant about what`s happening here. So
Hillary Clinton boxes the Republicans in, because clearly most of them have
criticized him for what he said. The base of the Republican Party, or the
ones who go out and vote in their primaries, they like what Trump is
saying, that`s why he`s leading in the polls.

So in the primaries, those guys are going to be -- and maybe if Carly
Fiorina makes it onto the debate stage, they are going to be standing there
with someone they have to criticize because he`s the front runner. But if
they criticize him for what he says on immigration, they could hurt
themselves with the primary bait and that they hurt their chances of
getting the nomination. And to those machinations, hurt their standing if
they become the nominee because then they`re going to have to depend on the
very people they have insulted to help them win the general election
against Hillary Clinton.

So every time she does an interview like that where she lumps all of the
Republicans together and makes it sound like they`re all speaking with one
voice, it makes it better for her as a contrast with whoever the Republican
nominee is going to be.

SHARPTON: She checkmates them. If she`s playing chess, they`re playing
checkers. It doesn`t work on the same board.

But you know, Jimmy, Jeb Bush did respond to Hillary Clinton saying Hillary
Clinton once again changed her position on an issue of politically
expedient purposes. She is now running further to the left on immigration
policy than even President Obama`s White House believes is legally
feasible. Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected and her
numerous flip-flops on immigration prove it.

I don`t think Republicans wanted this debate so early, though. Am I right,
Jimmy?

WILLIAMS: They don`t want this debate. And the reason they don`t want
this debate is because they are out of the mainstream of American society.
Listen, Americans have a lot of common sense. If you`re sitting around a
dinner table and you`re a mom and a dad and, you know, a couple of kids and
you hear the sort of stuff coming from the Republicans, they`re anti-
immigrant, they`re anti-marriage equality, they`re anti-choice, they`re
anti-voting rights act, at some point that`s going to catch on.

So I appreciate where Jeb Bush is coming from when it comes to his
immigration position. I appreciate where he`s coming from when it comes to
common core. But the problem with that is that he`s out -- those two
issues, he`s there. I get it. I will give it to him, although he is
hedged. But to say that Hillary Clinton has changed her positions, she has
evolved. She has evolved for people with marriage equality. She has
evolved for immigration. Why is that a bad thing?

Find me a Republican that has done that. None. Not one of the 328
Republicans is for any of those issues. They`re all against those issues.
That`s the problem. Yes for people or no for people and the answer on the
Republican debate stage is no. On the democratic stage, the answer is yes.

SHARPTON: Jonathan, Senator Lindsey Graham was very critical of the party
on immigration today. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The immigration issue has
hurt us. I`ve said this for a long time. The way the Republican Party,
some elements, have dealt with immigration, the way we`ve talked about
immigrants has hurt us. And I just believe that we`ve gone from 44 percent
to 27 percent among Hispanics because of rhetoric like this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: I mean this is Lindsey Graham.

CAPEHART: Right. Lindsey Graham has been making really reasonable and
rational statements for someone running in a Republican party that is way
far to the right policy-wise and rhetorically than what he`s saying right
now. And I think maybe what he`s trying to do is trying to cast himself as
a reasonable alternative to -- look, we`re talking about how many people in
the race now, 16, 17 people.

Lindsey Graham is speaking in a way that I think if he can hang on beyond
South Carolina, he could do very well. But this is the kind of language,
this is the kind of rhetoric that should be taking hold in the Republican
party if they ever hope to make any kind of inroads with the Latino
community, because as people forget, 50,000 Latinos turn 18 every day and
will do so for the next 10, 15 years.

SHARPTON: But I have to ask you, I`m out of time. But I have to ask you,
Jonathan, you wrote a piece critical of Trump recently and he wrote back.
Tell us what he said.

CAPEHART: Well, as his way, he said his assistant printout the piece that
I wrote, taking him to task for a tweet he retweeted that was really
offensive to governor Bush and his wife about illegal immigrants and Jeb
Bush`s wife, who is of Mexican descent.

SHARPTON: Right. We did it on the show.

CAPEHART: Yes. And so he wrote on the piece, Jonathan, you are the racist
and you are the one who has real hate and he put "hate" in quotes and then
best wishes, Donald Trump. I don`t have the exact quote there.

SHARPTON: He`s criticized me for 25 years but he`s never wished me best
wishes. I`m offended.

Jonathan Capehart and Jimmy Williams, thank you both for your time tonight.

CAPEHART: Thank you, Rev.

WILLIAMS: Thank you very much.

SHARPTON: Coming up, a big move by New York governor Andrew Cuomo to
appoint a special prosecutor for police-involved shootings. I`ll talk to
the governor live, next.

Also, more on the GOP`s nightmare on Trump street. How Republicans are
responding to the mess created by the Donald.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: Jeb Bush will never take us to the promised land. He doesn`t have
it. Jeb will be very poor as a president. No energy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: And showdown in South Carolina. Some lawmakers trying to save
the confederate flag by talking about the, quote, "war of northern
aggression."

Plus, team USA is getting a ticker tape parade in New York and a phone call
from the fan in chief.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Carli, what`s -- what have
you been eating? I want to do what you`re doing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can come out and run on the field with me if you
want.

OBAMA: Yes, you know, I`ll do that for about 30 seconds.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Big news tonight from New York. Governor Andrew Cuomo has
signed an executive order to appoint a special prosecutor for cases
involving civilians killed by police. New York state attorney general Eric
Schneiderman will serve in this role. The mothers of victims of police
violence appeared alongside governor Cuomo as he signed the measure. An
important step toward holding police accountable.

Joining me now is New York governor, Andrew Cuomo.

First of all, governor, thank you for being here tonight.

GOV. ANDREW CUOMO, NEW YORK: Thank you for having me, Rev.

SHARPTON: And I want to say I would have been there, I`m in Washington,
D.C., I would have been at the press conference. You and I have talked
back and forth on the phone and I`ve worked on this issue. I think as a
national model, I`m in Washington, D.C., hosting National Action Network`s
Capitol Hill conference, but I think this is the first that I`ve seen that
begins to take the politics out of local counties and the perceived
conflict of interest many have. It doesn`t mean police are guilty or
innocent, but it means it raises the level of taking away any appearances
of a conflict. I think this can be a national model, governor. Explain
exactly what you did today.

CUOMO: Yes. I`m with you 100 percent, Reverend. You know, we`ve spoken
about this probably over 20 years now. And when you look at a lot of the
unrest and a lot of the lack of trust, it`s in New York, other states,
Missouri, Baltimore, et cetera, it`s a feeling that there`s been a double
standard and a conflict of interest where the police are being monitored by
district attorneys, county attorneys, and that the relationship is so
intimate between the two that the DAs can`t really be fair judges of the
police action. And that`s nothing new. That`s been going on for 20 years.

You used the exact right word, I think, the perception of a conflict. You
don`t have to have an actual conflict, just the perception. And the
perception in and of itself is a problem. And the perception is real. The
answer, and I tried to get a law passed and we couldn`t get a law passed
yet, but I did it by executive order. If you have a police officer who
shoots an unarmed civilian or there is a question as to whether or not the
person is armed and dangerous, that case should be removed from the local
DA because of the apparent conflict of interest and give that case to an
independent prosecutor, by our design the attorney general of the state of
New York, Eric Schneiderman. But that will go a long way towards restoring
the trust and the objectivity of the system, and it has here in New York.
I`m very excited about its potential.

SHARPTON: Now, one of the things that I think is important here is that
when we perceive it as a conflict of interest, because you`re dealing with
local DAs that are elected, who have to use the same police force to do
their cases, this takes that out of the scenario and it takes it out of the
cases. And I think that next we`re going to see the first year since Eric
Garner was the victim of a chokehold case in Staten Island and we`ll be
rallying around that.

But if you go from Eric Garner into Missouri, Ferguson following, into
Cleveland, Tamir Rice, into Baltimore, on and on, I think this is a
national model to at least begin to say let us take all of the distrust out
because in fact there is reasonable thinking to say the police cannot work
with prosecutors they may work with every day. And I think that without
you saying anything that in my opinion is anti-police or anti the
community, you answered with those mothers and civil rights groups like my
Mass Action Network have been raising is why even have the question there.
I think that governors around the country should follow this.

CUOMO: Well, I`m very excited about it, Reverend, because I think you`re
right. Look, normally in the past when we brought this up, right away
everyone got tight because the district attorneys took it as an insult that
we were saying they couldn`t be independent, they couldn`t be objective
because they were, quote unquote, "in bed with the police."

I spent a lot of time talking to the DAs in this state, 62 of them. I`m a
former assistant district attorney to Bob Morganthal, Manhattan district
attorney. I`m the former attorney general. I said, look, they know as
lawyers that you don`t have to have an actual conflict of interest, just
the perception of a conflict of interest is a problem. And that`s what
this is.

I think we have great DAs. Bob Johnson in the Bronx did 200 cases against
police officers. But the apparent conflict is a problem. And that has to
be addressed. And this is the simple solution, remove those cases to
another prosecutor.

The attorney general, have an office of special prosecutor. I don`t think
it really matters. And I think if you talk it through with the district
attorneys, they realize that we have a critical problem here. It`s all
across the state, it`s all across the country. They understand the
apparent conflict, and I think if it`s done the right way, you can come to
a mutual understanding, which is essentially what we did here, Reverend.

Now, I`m sure the DAs don`t love it, I`m sure the police don`t love it.
But I don`t know if anyone will say it is unreasonable.

SHARPTON: The police union says it`s unnecessary.

CUOMO: Yes, fine. Fine. I`ll take that criticism. But it helps restore
trust in the system. If you could have seen the mothers of Eric Garner, of
Sean Bell who were here with me today, you know, these are people who have
fought for months, years, wanting some justice, some peace for their lost
loved one. And this is the first time they said they were part of the
solution and they believed this is fair and right.

If the police say it`s unnecessary, I`ll take that. From their point of
view, maybe it`s unnecessary. From the minority communities and the
communities who have lost trust, it`s not unnecessary.

SHARPTON: Well, and you`re right. I mean, as you know, I`ve worked with
all of those mothers and marched with them and all, and all they wanted was
to be part of a solution. And I think that began today. We`re not at the
end, but it`s the beginning.

I need to ask you while I have you, Donald Trump. He`s under a lot of fire
for his statements and a lot of people have taken issue with him. He`s a
resident and a businessman in your state. Do you have any reaction to him
and what he said about constituents? There`s a large Latino constituency
in New York, many of whom supported you.

CUOMO: Well, if I believed in deportation, he`d have a problem if he`s a
resident of New York State. But look, Donald Trump is -- I think he`s got
a very strong instinct for entertainment. It`s part of his business. And
I think, yes, we can talk about Donald Trump but I think it`s also relevant
how Donald Trump is reading his audience, and he`s in a Republican primary.
And he thinks this works, otherwise he wouldn`t do it, right?

Donald Trump, if he knows anything, he knows marketing. So I think it says
more about the audience than the entertainer that he is detecting that this
is what they want to hear and that this will sell.

SHARPTON: Is the state of New York doing any business with Trump? Would
you sever ties, if they are?

CUOMO: I don`t believe we`re doing anything.

SHARPTON: All right. New York governor Andrew Cuomo, thank you for your
time tonight.

And I think a very big move on this when we agree. As you said, we`ve been
talking 20 years, since I was in kindergarten, I think. Thank you,
governor.

CUOMO: Yes, almost, almost. Thank you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: All right.

Coming up, South Carolina lawmakers are trying to rewrite history as they
defend the confederate flag. That`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Developing news tonight from South Carolina`s debate on taking
down the confederate flag. These are live pictures from the house chamber.
The debate has stretched for hours, as a few GOP lawmakers raise amendment
after amendment to slow down a vote. Some defended the flag, using some
very revealing rhetoric.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some call it the war between the states, some call it a
civil war. Growing up, my family it was called the war of northern
aggression.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The war of northern aggression. . The war of northern
aggression.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: The civil war was the war of northern aggression? That kind of
language shows why we need to come to grips with our history.

Joining me now is South Carolina state senator Marlon Kimpson. Thank you
for being here.

STATE SEN. MARLON KIMPSON (D), SOUTH CAROLINA: Thank you for having me.

SHARPTON: The debate in your chamber, the Senate, was pretty quick. Did
you think it would drag on like this in the house, senator?

KIMPSON: Well, Reverend, what you have is a body dominated by Republicans.
Many of those Republicans making all the arguments, much of which,
particularly in the latter part of the afternoon, were frivolous arguments,
a waste of taxpayers` money. But they`re hanging on to the last vestiges
of an old south. The Senate sent a message that we want a clean bill, no
amendments, and we are prepared to fully fight to hold our position.

On yesterday we passed a unanimous consent resolution that if that bill
comes back amended, that we will non-concur automatically and that triggers
a conference committee. So we are prepared to continue to fight. This is
the 21st century, and we must rid ourselves of these divisive assembles,
but more importantly we must move on to a substantive agenda for the people
of the state.

SHARPTON: Senator, you said this is the 21st century. I mean can you
believe that you and I have worked on issues together. Can you believe in
the 21st century that people will stand up in the chambers, in in your
state, and say the civil war was about northern aggression? I mean we are
still dealing with the mentality of that in the 21st century? We can have
different opinions but we can`t have different facts.

KIMPSON: Well, Reverend, sadly to say many arguments have been made,
including in the Senate, that I was particularly disturbed by. Several
days ago I read from the actual soldiers` speeches in 1865, there was a
resolution and General Wade Hampton and General Robert E. Lee clearly
stated that it was time to furl the flag forever.

Now, if the generals that commanded and conducted the confederate soldiers
and were at war understood the importance of bringing a country together,
then these 2015 soldiers in the Republican party today ought to understand
that, because they shed no blood.

And so the fact is, is that the statements of the war generals, the people
who led the confederacy, were very clear in the 1800s. And we`re living in
2015 now. The history is well documented. We need to move on. That
doesn`t mean we forget history, but we put history in a museum.

SHARPTON: State senator Marlon Kimspon, thank you for your time tonight.

KIMPSON: Thank you for having me Reverend.

SHARPTON: Coming up, more from the NBC`s Donald Trump interview. He is
blasting Jeb Bush and creating a mess for Republicans.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Remember when Donald Trump hurt the Republican Party with all
that birther talk? That was a long time ago, though, right? Wrong.
Here`s today.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You sent investigators out to Hawaii to find out
whether or not Obama was you said was not born here.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, I don`t know --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That turned out not to be true.

TRUMP: According to you it`s not true. I don`t know --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He released his birth certificate.

TRUMP: You know, if you believe that, that`s fine. I don`t care. It`s an
old subject.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: That`s coming to a debate stage near you. The Trump effect of
2016, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Now back to that incredible Donald Trump interview with NBC`s
Katy Tur. He`s been creating a giant political headache for Republicans.
And today, he sounded off on the frontrunner, Jeb Bush.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: You look at somebody like Jeb Bush. It took him five days, five
days to give a proper answer on Iraq. He was changing his answer every
day. How is somebody like that going to negotiate? Neither is Jeb Bush
going to be able to create jobs. Jeb Bush will never take us to the
Promised Land. He doesn`t have it. Jeb will be very poor as a president.
No energy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: The biggest GOP name in the news cycle, Donald Trump, repeatedly
bashing the leading 2016 republican. And whether the GOP likes it or not,
Trump is apparently here to stay. In his interview today, he said he
doesn`t care about the business contracts he`s losing. And now he`s trying
to build a real campaign. The National Journal reports today, quote, "The
seven full-time staff Trump`s campaign says it has hired in New Hampshire,
and nine in Iowa, gives Trump possibly the biggest operation in the
republican field." And then late today yet another surprising poll.
Donald Trump leading the GOP field in North Carolina, four points ahead of
both Jeb Bush and Scott Walker. We don`t know how long this will last or
how big Trump will get. But we do know it`s the last thing Republicans
wanted, and they`re only getting more of it.

Joining me now is Jamal Simmons. Thank you for being here.

JAMAL SIMMONS, POLITICAL ANALYSTS: Thanks for having me, Rev.

SHARPTON: Jamal, Trump is going hard at Jeb Bush. How does this play out?

SIMMONS: Well, Trump is causing the entire GOP field fits because what
he`s doing is highlighting all the things that they don`t want people to
talk about. It`s sort of like a crazy uncle came downstairs from the
bedroom and now he`s not just at the dinner table, he`s outside on the
front lawn and people are gathering to take a look at the spectacle. And
so, what he`s doing is he`s telling the people about all the little dirty
secrets that Republicans have been able to whisper behind the scenes. He
is now saying those things out loud and he`s bringing out the rawest, most
xenophobic element of the Republican Party and I think he`s causing
everybody damage in their party for doing it.

SHARPTON: Let`s get back to that poll showing Trump leading in the GOP
field in North Carolina. Now what`s your take on this?

SIMMONS: I think voters will flirt and sort of dance with Donald Trump for
a long time. And he may even scare some people in a couple of these early
states. I don`t see Donald Trump becoming the nominee. It`s just -- I
mean that would be fantastic. I mean, even his numbers now are still down
in the teens. But when everybody else is in the teens or single digits, it
makes Donald Trump look like a big force. But you`re going to want to see
some of these folks like Lindsey Graham and others, people join Lindsey
Graham and speak out a little bit more forcefully about what Donald Trump
is doing. And frankly Rev, I watched your interview earlier with Governor
Cuomo, I watched the interview with Secretary of State Clinton from
earlier.

I think I want the Democrats to speak out a little bit more forcefully too,
not just be disappointed with Donald Trump, I mean, why not be angry with
Donald Trump, why not be mad at Donald Trump for playing these race cards
that are really damaging not just the Republican Party but what`s happening
to Latinos in this country and how they`re viewed. We`ve come out of a
really tough period. I think now is the time not to hold our tongues about
somebody who`s playing this kind of a game.

SHARPTON: No, I said earlier to Jimmy and Jonathan that the outrage has
not been there that I think is deserving here, when you`re talking about
the kinds of statements he said against a nationality and against a race of
people. But let me say this. You say you don`t see him getting the
nomination and you don`t know how long he lasts. He`s got a lot of money,
Jamal. He can hang in there.

SIMMONS: He can absolutely hang in there and cause people trouble.
Remember what happened in 2012 when Rick Santorum had foster freeze as a
billionaire, he had foster freeze paying all of this money for him while he
stayed in the race. A couple of other Republicans had these billionaires
like Sheldon Adelson and others paying this money to keep them in the race
with these Super Pacs and keep them alive. Donald Trump doesn`t need a
Super Pac, he just writes the check himself. So he will probably cause the
eventual republican nominee a lot of headaches before they can get him out
of the race.

SHARPTON: Now, what happens at the debate? I mean he has nothing to lose
getting on that stage. Not only saying outrageous things, as he has said
about Mexican, and illegal immigrants, or immigrants that he wants to
question as illegal. He can go direct at Jeb Bush. He`s going to be
fighting. He`s not a guy that takes criticism well. This could really be
a problem.

SIMMONS: No, that`s exactly right. He doesn`t just go after constituency
groups, he goes after these candidates, name by name, every single one of
them. This is the worst person than that, the horrible person in that and
so, he`s going to cause them a lot of trouble. The one candidate who is
clearly planning to be Donald Trump`s second fiddle is Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz
on Sunday when he was on the morning shows refused to say anything negative
about Donald Trump himself. Because I think Ted Cruz is positioning
himself to be the go-to person when Donald Trump gets out. He wants that
Trump endorsement and to get those same sort of xenophobic voters. He
wants to get all those people into his side of the Republican Party to try
to really force the case in the later primaries.

SHARPTON: Jamal Simmons, thank you for your time tonight.

SIMMONS: Thanks for having me.

SHARPTON: Ahead, the President`s historic plan for free community
colleges. Now lawmakers are pushing to make it happen.

Plus, I`ll talk to a hero in Chicago. Fighting back against the city`s
epidemic of violence. That`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: News tonight about last weekend`s deadly gun violence in Chicago
that left ten people dead. The funeral for 7-year-old Amari Brown who was
killed while watching fireworks has been set for Saturday. And this week,
parents and activists led a march through the streets, calling for peace.
In the wake of these crisis, NBCNews.com has launched a special series
called "Chicago`s Cruel Summer," highlighting how the violence affects
families.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The scariest part of my day is, when they leave to go
to school, because I`ll be afraid that they`re going to get shot on their
way home.

UNIDENTIFIED BOY: She tells me not to leave my windows because a man might
have a gun in his hand, he can look through the window and see me and get
shoot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How does that make you feel?

UNIDENTIFIED BOY: That makes me feel like scared because I don`t want to
get killed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If I keep them out of this neighborhood, we go away
from everything. No, parks. We don`t socialize, we leave the community
and go to other communities that don`t have to worry about shooting gangs
and the violence.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: But all across Chicago people are trying to make it better. The
series also features a woman who founded a group to help keep young people
off the streets.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DIANE LATIKER, FOUNDER, KIDS OFF THE BLOCK: In the summer, it means a lot
to keep kids literally off the block. And if they are on the block, they
must have an activity or activities to do -- to keep their minds occupied.
We`ve seen kids go to college for the first time out of their families.
We`ve seen young people who took on the roles of mentors for entire blocks.
We`ve seen young people who have shared their own resources with other
young people who normally wouldn`t because they felt like they didn`t have
anything. We literally have talked young people out of guns that they
carry with them. We`ve done that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Joining me now is the woman you just saw, Diane Latiker, who
runs "Kids Off The Block." And Cinque Dunn, a student in the program.
First of all, thank you both for being here.

LATIKER: Thank you so much for having us.

SHARPTON: Diane, what prompted you to start this program?

LATIKER: Well, it prompted me because I have eight kids of my own. I had
a 13-year-old at home. I wanted to follow her and her friends to keep her
safe, and my mom saw that and she said, Diane, why don`t you do something
with those kids. They like you and respect you and that`s how it started,
12 years ago.

SHARPTON: What has been the biggest challenge for you, Diane?

LATIKER: Hope. And I mean that literally, Hope. Those young people
desire hope, and the only way they`re going to get it is through our
community and our neighborhoods.

SHARPTON: Cinque, why did you join "Kids Off The Block?"

CINQUE DUNN, STUDENT, "KIDS OFF THE BLOCK": I joined "Kids Off The Block"
because I like to play basketball a lot and met Diane. She talked to me
about some stuff and helped me out.

SHARPTON: Now, how old are you?

DUNN: Thirteen.

SHARPTON: Now, you`re 13. What has "Kids Off The Block" done for you
personally at 13-years-old? What do you think it has done to you and your
life and your character?

DUNN: I think it has done a lot for me because it kept me off the streets
and stuff and keep me busy a lot. So, a lot of stuff don`t happen. It
keep me like having stuff to do, it keeps me busy.

SHARPTON: What do you hope to achieve in the future with "Kids Off The
Block," Diane?

LATIKER: I hope to really affect generations, impact their lives, so that
they will have the hope and the passion and the dedication along with
resources and the tools they need to be successful and live the American
dream. And what they think it is. And by the way, Reverend Al, when I
first met Cinque, you know what he asked me?

SHARPTON: What`s that?

LATIKER: Miss Diane, will you please let me stay with you as much as I can
so I can stay out of trouble, and I took that literally.

SHARPTON: Wow! You know, Cinque, I had an apartment for a few months
dealing with violence out in Chicago a couple of years ago and stayed a
couple of months once a week. And a lot of kids said to me they just
wanted somewhere to go and something to do. I don`t think a lot of people
watching around the country understand how important that is.

LATIKER: That`s important.

SHARPTON: To young folk like you. They just need somewhere to go and
something to do.

LATIKER: That`s right.

SHARPTON: What does -- is that what kids mean to you, this program means
to you and some of your friends in the program?

DUNN: Yes.

SHARPTON: Diane, what do you have them doing at "Kids Off The Block?"

LATIKER: Most of all, they -- okay, to me I have to listen and find out
what their passion is. He loves basketball, so I -- I get him in the
basketball so I can find out what he needs in school. If he`s failing, if
he needs help in any type of education. Make sure that he has the
resources, if he needs to go to be mentored. Make sure that he has a
mentor. That`s how I find out. The basketball is just the hook, just like
music. Kids love music. We have them doing whatever their passion is and
make sure they stay active in it, because if they`re doing what they love,
then they`ll make sure to invite you into their lives.

SHARPTON: Well, I thank you for being on tonight, Diane Latiker and Cinque
Dunn. And Cinque, when I come back to Chicago, we`re going to play some
hoops.

DUNN: All right. All right.

SHARPTON: Thank you both for your time tonight.

LATIKER: Thank you.

DUNN: Thank you.






SHARPTON: Coming up, President Obama is pushing a plan for free college --
free community college. Today lawmakers are taking action.

And that presidential call to the woman who made us all so proud winning
that world cup.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: The women`s U.S. soccer team made history and this Friday
they`ll make more. The team will get a ticker tape parade in New York
City`s canyon of heroes, and they got another invitation from the President
who called to congratulate them from the Oval Office.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: You guys just made a whole bunch of
new fans. And more importantly, I think, inspired a whole new generation
of young women to make sure that U.S. women`s soccer continues to grow, so
you guys done good. I want to invite you guys and the team to the White
House to celebrate the championship and I can`t wait to meet you guys and
see you all here with the cup. Please, please just bask in the glory. You
guys deserve it. You worked really hard and you made us all really proud.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, thank you so much, Mr. President. We can`t
wait for you to wrap one of our jerseys. We`ll be there.

OBAMA: There you go. Okay. Take care, guys. Bye-bye.

(APPLAUSE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: They made the whole country proud, and we look forward to
honoring them on Friday.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

We still live in a country where too many bright, striving Americans are
priced out of their education they need. And that`s why I`m sending this
Congress a bold new plan to lower the cost of community college to zero.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: President Obama earlier this year calling for college to become
more affordable. Today two democratic lawmakers introduced a bill to make
his plan for free community college a reality. It would help states waive
tuition fees at community, technical and tribal colleges. There are 5.4
million job openings in the country. Companies can`t fill these jobs
because they can`t find people with the right training or education. This
bill would help fix that, and it`s part of a larger progressive agenda that
is picking up steam here in Washington. It`s part of what we talked about
today at the legislative conference of my civil rights group, the National
Action Network. Members of Congress talked about the need for concrete
progress on everything from voting to criminal justice.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. KEITH ELLISON (D), MINNESOTA: Voter expansion has got to be what we
are doing.

REP. LINDA SANCHEZ (D), CALIFORNIA: Voting shouldn`t be an obstacle for
anybody who is eligible to vote in this country.

REP. JUDY CHU (D), CALIFORNIA: Police should be trained to see minority as
people, not as threats.

SEN. GARY PETERS (D), MICHIGAN: We`ve got to look at everything from the
top to the bottom when it comes to criminal justice.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: We must really use the marching and the raising of issues to
translate into permanent change with legislation and policy. We cannot
just dramatize the need without coming with the solutions. And whether it
is community colleges or special prosecutors in New York, we must keep
going forward, raising the issues, but making concrete change a reality.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.

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