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Date: July 13, 2015
Guest: Larry Cohen, Laura Tyson, Joseph Cirincione, Ron Christie, Caroline
Heldman, Jon Ralston, John Nichols, Ruth Conniff

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from Washington, D.C.

I`m back, I`m ready. Let`s get to work.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tonight, money in the middle.

HILLARY CLINTON, FRM. U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: We must raise incomes for
hard working American so they can afford in middle class life.

of wealth from the middle class to the top one-tenth of 1 percent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Later, border crust.

they`re bringing crime, they`re rapist.

They`re taking everything and they`re killing us on the border.

LINDSEY GRAHAM, 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He`s a wrecking ball for the
future of the Republican Party with Hispanic community.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And Walker running.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Walker will be the 15th Republican to formally enter
the 2016 race.

GOV. SCOTT WALKER (R) WISCONSIN: I`m running for president. Fight and win
for the American people.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.
Good to be back with you after a week off.

I start tonight with the question, where is the center? What`s the center?
What the center position on income inequality? What the center position on
the vulture chart that we have shown, when it comes to where all the moneys
going in this country. What the center position on Wall Street? What the
center position on Education?

Identity politics is going to destroy the Democrats if they go down that
road. What they have to do is listen to some of the candidates out there
who`re talking the populist issues about where is the country. I come to
Washington today for a number of reasons. And I`m greeted by POLITICO and
say "Sanders is a Senate colleagues stunned by his rapid ascent." Why?

It seems to me that all the things that Hillary Clinton is talking about,
all the things that Bernie Sanders is talking about are pretty close. And
yet there seems to be this big division taking place when you listen to Joe
Manchin or when you listen to Claire McCaskill that they`re so concerned
about what Bernie Sanders is doing. Why? I though debate was good.

So as Hillary Clinton turn, now she outlined her economic agenda for the
country today, fantastic. Not surprisingly Clinton echoed some of Bernie
Sanders position vise versa. Many of the points Clinton made Sanders has
been pushing for the last 30 years so as Hillary. Is that good? Clinton
immediately addressed income inequality.


CLINTON: Corporate profits are at near record highs and Americans are
working as hard as ever. But paychecks have barely budged in real terms.
Families today are stretched in so many directions, and so are their
budgets. That defining economic challenge of our time is clear. We must
raise incomes for hardworking Americans so they can afford a middle class


SCHULTZ: So, we`ve got profits high, pay checks low, family budget raising
-- what`s the middle position on that? Left, right, blue, green, center,
what is it? Common folks. This is where the country is right now.
Clinton said she wants to build an economy that grows and is fair to
everyone. She listed out the typical Democratic talking points. Good for
here. Clinton wants to raise a minimum wage, who doesn`t? On the left
built on Obamacare. Yeah, let`s do round two. She wants to protect social
security, all great basic progressive stuff.

She said she will introduce a plan encouraging corporation to share profits
with workers. I can`t wait for that, because that would be viewed as very
liberal. Clinton also laid out her idea on tax reform.


CLINTON: Hard working families need and deserve tax relief and
simplification. Second, those at the top have to pay their fair share.
That`s why I support the Buffet Rule, which makes sure millionaires do not
pay lower rates than their secretaries. I have called for closing the
carried interest loophole, which lets wealthy financiers pay an
artificially low rate.

And let`s agree that hugely successful companies that benefit from
everything that America has to offer, should not be able to game the system
and avoid paying their fair share, especially while companies who can`t
afford high-priced lawyers and lobbyists end up paying more.


SCHULTZ: OK. All sounds good to me. But here comes the flying in the
ointment. Where does former Secretary Clinton stand on money being part
offshore and not being taxed because that is a huge problem.

Clinton then spoke out about House (ph) would need protect unions
bargaining power. Now what is that? Is that The Employee Free Choice Act?
Can we get some straight talk there? She said American needs to get
serious about protecting union workers. That`s sounds good by how you`re
going to do it? The Employee Free Choice Act something that Obama
administration never got to.

Clinton also has some tough talk for Wall Street. Listen to this.


CLINTON: Stories of misconduct by individuals and institutions in the
financial industry are shocking. HSBC allowing drug cartels to launder
money, five major banks pleading guilty to felony charges for conspiring to
manipulate currency exchange and interest rates. There can be no
justification or tolerance for this kind of criminal behavior.

While institutions have paid large fines and in some cases admitted guilt,
too often it has seemed that the human beings responsible get off with
limited consequences -- or none at all, even when they`ve already pocketed
the gains.

This is wrong and, on my watch, it will change.

Over the course of this campaign, I will offer plans to rein in excessive
risks on Wall Street and ensure that stock markets work for everyday


SCHULTZ: Did I just hear Hillary Clinton`s say that if it`s on here watch,
she`s going to send people to jail if they do bad things on Wall Street,
because so far under the Obama administration nobody is going to jail.
They got away with everything that happened back in the crash of 2008,
there was no follow up from the justice department.

Well, here`s a great opportunity. Last week Senator Elizabeth Warren and
John McCain re-introduced a Glass-Steagall bill in the United States
Senate. It would force banks to separate investment banking from
commercial banking. It would basically reverse the deregulation we saw in
the late 90s. That the deregulation of Glass-Steagall many economists
believe that they`re certainly sent the table for the 2008 meltdown, so
let`s get some regulation. Oh wait a minute, regulation is a bad word.

Meanwhile, just hours after that tough talk about Wall Street a Clinton
advisor told Reuters "Woah wait a minute, she would not support
reinstalling, reinstating Glass-Steagall.

In a clear contrast Bernie Sanders said that he would support the new
Glass-Steagall bill. On Sunday Sanders said that there are clear
differences between the two candidates.


SANDERS: There are differences of opinion that we have which should be the
basis for a serious discussion. Number one, I have spent my political life
taking on the big money interests. I have introduced legislation that
would break up the large financial institutions on Wall Street. I think,
if a bank is too big to fail, it is too big to exist.

I voted against the war in Iraq. And if you go to YouTube, and you look at
what I said way back when, sadly enough, much of what I predicted actually
happened. Hillary Clinton voted for the war. I believe, along with Pope
Francis, that climate change is one of the great international crises that
we face.

I have worked as hard as I can to kill the Keystone pipeline program. You
will have to ask Hillary Clinton what her view is on that. She has not
been very clear. So I think, on issue after issue, whether it`s raising
minimum wage to $15 an hour, whether it is the trade agreement, I oppose
TPP, she has not been clear on it -- there are very significant differences
of opinion that we have.


SCHULTZ: So is that why Bernie Sanders is getting all these crowds. I
mean, there`s no doubt he`s on the roll. He`s drawing massive crowds of
thousands all over the country, not just kind of in Iowa, recent polls
showing Bernie closing the gap in Iowa and New Hampshire. Some of Sanders
Democratic colleagues in the Senate, well, they`re not so excited about the
recent surge. They fear he`s going to hurt Hillary Clinton chances.

Support of Joe Machin said "I just hope they don`t move Hillary so far left
that people believe she is out of the realm. I`ve seen bases move people."

Clinton support of Claire McCaskill said this she says "I don`t -- I just
don`t believe that someone who is a self-described socialist is going to be
elected to be president."

Sanders told POLITICO he`s been underdog since he first got into this
called politics and public service back in 1981. He said "People should
not underestimate me."

Both candidates have got a good record with labor. They both have gotten
support from labor unions in the past. Any Democratic candidate who is
trying to gain support from union this time around, need to focus on the
core issues that we`ve heard before. They should be against trade deals
that are going to outsource job and should protect collective bargaining
across the board, push for higher wages and minimum wage increases. Also
voting right is a huge issue, quality public education has to got to be
there. And let`s not forget affordable housing.

Both candidates have a good faith record with unions. No doubt about it.
So far the American federation of teachers has endorsed Hillary Clinton
despite the fact that Richard Trumka said "You know, hold your powder

But Randi Weingarten has been a long time supporter of Hillary Clinton and
she is decided to move forward with her union to support Clinton. OK.
There`s been a lot of local unions that have coming out and supported
Bernie Sanders. So what it comes down to is this, we`re headed for a labor
fight. What is Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders doing meeting with labor
leaders in July of 2015? There seems to be a rush to get support. There
seems to be some concern and there seems to be the beginning of a split.
We may have two very good candidates so how this all going to come down?

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Should the AFL-CIO endorse a candidate early on?" Go to to cast your vote. We`ll bring you the results later on
in the show.

For more, let me bring in Larry Cohen, Former President of Communications
Workers of America, also with us tonight Laura Tyson, Former National
Economic Adviser to President Bill Clinton, great to have both of you with
us tonight.

Larry, I`ll start with you first.


SCHULTZ: There is a speech being made by both campaigns. Is there a rush?
Is there a concern? Speaking from both perspectives.

COHEN: Well, I think, you know, working class people, working Americans
across the country, there`s a rush for them. They haven`t had a race in
real terms in 30 years and working people are saying, "Yeah, I like Bernie
Sanders because this is what he`s been doing for 50 years for his whole
life time." And so, 4,000 union activists have signed up already on our
website labor for Bernie. So it`s a rush for them based on their own

SCHULTZ: Why is Bernie better than Hillary? You made that distinction.
Why would you select Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton when it comes to
these issues?

COHEN: Well, again, I think it`s because of how he spent the last 50
years. What he has done. He`s been with us on pickup lines. He`s been on
organizing drugs (ph). He spoke out against Fast-Track. We had hope
Secretary Clinton would. 85 percent of Democrats in the House did. And I
think those are the issues that divide them. More importantly they very
divided from the 15 Republican candidates that are running.

SCHULTZ: Laura, good to have you with us tonight for the first time on the
Ed Show. And, you know, Hillary Clinton has had a very good record with
the unions. In fact I`ve been told by the steelworkers when she was on the
Senate she was fantastic. Is there going to be a fight? Is there a huge
anticipation that this support really means a lot coming up in 2016 and you
got to get that out of the way early on?

is going to be a fight. But what I will say is in the speech today when
Hillary emphasized strong growth and fair growth a number of points in that
speech were exactly the points that the labor unions care about, her point
about strengthening labor union. She mentioned the research would shows
that the weakening of unions has been an important part of the reason why
rate of wages have been staying in the United States. She talked about the
importance of overtime. She talked about the importance of the minimum
wage. She talked about the importance of a premiership (ph) supported by
tax credits that would help employer bring on new people to work.

So I think her agenda whether you go from early childhood education all the
way to the minimum wage strengthen unions is an agenda that appeals to
workers and it`s motivated by her overarching goal which is just to have
strong fair growth that grows middle class...


TYSON: ... incomes and opportunities.

SCHULTZ: What about Wall Street? She talked about criminal behavior. She
talked about on her watch that there are basically she didn`t use the word
prosecutions but how else could you interpret what she was saying? I mean,
she wants to get top on Wall Street yet her adviser says that she is not
going to support reinstating Glass-Steagall. How are we supposed to read

TYSON: I don`t think those two things are the same thing so let me talk to
the issue of when there is legal wrongdoing. That is what she said.


TYSON: She would do everything under her watch to go after criminal
prosecutions. If you break the law and you are a liable criminally there
should be a prosecution and that`s what she said.

On the issue of Wall Street reform what she said was to make sure that we
continue down the path of Dodd-Frank that we don`t allow reversals that are
being push forward by the Republican candidates that we pay attention that
something we haven`t been paying enough attention to which is the shadow
banking system. She was also pretty clear...


TYSON: ... on her opposition to carry the interest. She was pretty clear
on something he didn`t mention which is the treatment of capital gains and
trying to adjust the system so we reward long-term capital gains for long-
term investment.

SCHULTZ: OK. So Glass-Steagall is not an issue? I mean, she -- would she
support that in the United States Senate and the spokesman said no she
wouldn`t. I mean, there`s many people around the country...

TYSON: I cannot.

SCHULTZ: ... that think that this was the crux to the problem with the
2008 meltdown.

TYSON: So there are so many things that have happened since 2007, 2008
that it`s hard to know. I have not seen as proposed legislation. I don`t
know what she has said about it.

SCHULTZ: OK. Turn it off.

TYSON: But what I will say -- but let me say that there are no pure
investment banks anymore that most of the large banks have taken out much
if not all of their investment banking that the issue what she did talk
about is we need to continue to monitor risks. We need to continue to
monitor how...


TYSON: ... whether organizations are true complex to manage their own
risks and we need to worry about the shadow banking because I think...

SCHULTZ: All right.

TYSON: ... those are the right issues.

SCHULTZ: OK. Glass-Steagall is not an issue Larry.

COHEN: I mean, I think it is an issue and again, for people and Iowa or
New Hampshire, the real issue is, you know, which side are the banks on and
which side of these candidates on and people believe that they`ve been
screwed by the banks, whether they lost their house or whether their kids
are paying 7 percent for college loans. And people want to see significant
change in terms of financial regulation.

SCHULTZ: All right, Larry Cohen, Laura Tyson, great to have both of you
with us tonight for the first time. Thanks so much.

TYSON: Thank you.

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Coming up, we`ll have the latest on the Iran nuclear talks and what it
means for the national security in the oil market internationally.

And later, Donald Trump edges closer to Jeb Bush to the polls. The Rapid
Response Panel weighs in on how the Donald shaking on the Republican

Stay tune. We`re right back.


SCHULTZ: And the numbers are coming in. Here`s where we stand on
tonight`s Bing Pulse Poll. Tonight`s question, "Should the AFL-CIO endorse
a candidate early on?
35 percent who have say "Yes." 65 percent who have say "Hold the phone,
let`s see what happens." Keep voting throughout the hour at

And we are coming right back on the Ed Show. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We`re watching news out of Vienna
at this hour. NBC`s Andrea Mitchell is reporting.

There are indications a historic nuclear deal with Iran could be announced
in the next few hours. The latest deadline is midnight tonight. The
negotiations are impacting the price of crude oil worldwide. Crude prices
came off their earlier loss when early reports indicated tonight`s deadline
may be missed.

Crude had dropped by 1.6 percent around $52 a barrel earlier today as
investors reached reacted to the potential of a new deal and new supply on
the market. Sanctions have rained in Iran`s oil production and exports. A
nuclear deal would allow its oil to reenter the already oversupplied
market. But the United States and other western powers appear to have hit
a snag. They are working on several stinking points. The negotiations
include whether or not to lift the arms embargo on Iran. If so, win.
That`s the question also, what kind of nuclear research Iran can do at the
end of the deal?

Finally, they`re going to resolve questions about Iran`s past suspected
nuclear activity. Here is what White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest`s
said a short time ago.


JOSH EARNEST, W.H. PRESS SECRETARY: There have been some key issues in the
negotiations that have been closed, and that`s a good sign. That said,
there continue to be some sticking points that remain unresolved.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight, Joseph Cirincione, President of Ploughshares
Fund, also with us Ron Christie, Former Special Assistant to President
George W. Bush and columnist for the Daily Bush -- gentlemen, the Daily
Beast, great to have both of you with us tonight.

Joe, is this deal going to take place?

As my understanding is that most of the issues have been resolved as a few
relatively minor issues left and most of what they`re doing now is just
comporting the language, making sure that all of the commerce are in the
right place.

If you remember what happened with the Obamacare legislation? These guys
are going to make history and while they`re doing it they don`t want to
make any mistakes.

SCHULTZ: All right, you -- if you listen to congressional leaders over the
weekend House of the Senate Republicans there say this has got a long way
to go. Your thoughts on that?

CIRINCIONE: It will be a fight in the U.S. Senate and the U.S. Congress
and because this is now going to drag out to August, it`s going to get
boiled up with Republican presidential politics. The first Republican
presidential primary debates take place in early August. So there`s going
to be a lot of hot rhetoric, a lot of fighting over this but in the end I
think the national security benefits of this historic agreement are going
to out way the petty (ph) partisan politics. Congress will go along with

SCHULTZ: Ronald Christie, where is the opposition going to come here and
what are the issues?

evening Ed. I think the opposition comes when the fact that the burden is
going to shift in the United States in favor of the Iranians. In other
words, the United States will be in a position now from all of the reports
I`ve been hearing. The U.S. will have to prove that Iran has violated the
sanctions as opposed to Iran proving that they`re full (ph) and compliance.

The issue here Ed is one of -- that the administration promised too much
and get too little. The administration seems to every time he turned
around to have offering concessions to the Iranians.

For example, if you look every carefully, all these sanctions should not be
lifted until the Iranian said, you know, what, we`re going to allow full
inspection of our facilities and disclose our past activities as it relates
to the proliferation of nuclear material. Well, you know Ed, now it seems
that the access issue is one of the Iranians are insisting that we won`t
have unfettered access and indications are such they will not tell us about
their past suspected activities.

So, this isn`t part of the issue.

SCHULTZ: That is really a big point Ron Christie, the big point from the
standpoint of unfettered inspections. There -- I am told that there is
going to be tighter inspections and better oversight that we`ve ever seen
before that Iran (inaudible) will going to be able to move on this deal
once it`s done is that they`re not going to be able to do anything that we
would know about. These inspectors are going to have absolute total access
across the board that there`s no way Iran could cheat. You obviously do or
do not buy that?

CHRISTIE: Well, I`m a little skeptical at this point Ed. I haven`t seen


CHRISTIE: So I`m not going to prejudgment it. It could be the president
and Secretary Kerry have negotiated this strong probations but I`m troubled
that our closest ally in the region Israel is very concerned. The prime
minister was adamant now spoken yesterday saying this was like a bad deal
and one that will lead to more insecurity in the Middle East. So I want to
see the specifics of the deal.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. OK. So Joe Cirincione, how do we know whether we`re
getting the good deal or not, on average Joe on the street, no (inaudible),
you know. I mean how do we know if this is the right thing to do because
there is political wrangling going back and forth on this. There`s
gamesmanship being played. But, is this going to keep them from having a
nuclear capability that will threaten the world?

CIRINCIONE: So, look at three things. Does it block Iran`s pathways to a
bomb? Two, is there a verification mechanism in place that can catch them
if they cheat, and three, do you have a sanctions regimes that in place
that can snap back the sanctions to punish them if they cheat? That`s the
way you judge it.

Every indication is this is going to block their pathway to a bomb.
They`re going to have to rip out bulk of their nuclear facilities.
There`ll be -- the buildings will stay in place but we`re going to move all
the furniture out.

SCHULTZ: All right, here is Democratic Senator Bob Menendez of New Jersey
talking about his concerns to the negations.


SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D) NEW JERSEY: And the problem here, George, is that we
have gone from preventing Iran having a nuclear ability, to managing it.
Even President Obama said that under this potential deal in 12, 13 years
they will have a pathway towards a nuclear bomb should they choose to do


SCHULTZ: And Ron, at NBC News a SurveyMonkey poll from back in April shows
68 percent of Americans don`t trust the Iranian nuclear deal. So your
reaction to this.

CHRISTIE: Well, they don`t trust him for good reason Ed. They are the
largest state sponsor terrorism in the world. They`ve made a lot of
promises. You have their prime minister in just recent week saying death
to American and death to Israel. I think there are a lot of concerns out
there not just Republicans but you heard it from Senator Menendez, the
ranking member of the senate, finance -- Foreign Relations Committee saying
can we really trust these folks. Once they put ink to a...


CHRISTIE: ... document that they`re going to follow their word.

SCHULTZ: Well, and of course the Senator from South Carolina Lindsey
Graham is concern about freeing up money because we`ve got a lot of their
frozen assets.

CIRINCIONE: Hundreds of billions.

SCHULTZ: Globally.


SCHULTZ: And they`re going to get -- I mean is this given money to
terrorism? I mean is this filtering money in a different way?

CIRINCIONE: They have been under sanctions for years now. It hasn`t
affected their support of Hamas and Hezbollah or the Assad regime in
anyway. The sanctions will be lifted. More money will be going to Iran
but they have so many unmet economic problems in that country. It`s
unlikely that much of it is going to find its way into the adversaries that
we fear.

SCHULTZ: OK. Joe Cirincione, Ron Christie, great to have you with us
tonight. I appreciate your time.

Coming up on the Ed Show, Donald Trump isn`t backing down on his advising
(ph) commitments about immigration. The Rapid Response Panel weighs on
whether his gamble will payoff. In a drug kingpin pulls off a daring
escape from a Mexican prison.

We`ll have an update on the search. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: And we are back on the Ed Show. A Mexican drug trafficking
kingpin is on the lose after a daring escape this weekend. Joaquin Guzman,
escaped from a maximum security prison 50 miles west of Mexico City on

NBC`s Mark Potter has the story.


MARK POTTER, NBC CORRESPONDENT: We`re getting our first look at Mexican
officials during the tunnel access Joaquin Guzman known as El Chapo or
Shorty used to slip out of his maximum security cell. It`s the second
escape for the notorious drug kingpin. Last time he eluded police for 13
years before being recaptured a year and a half ago. Mexican police are
desperately searching for the drug lord.

ANTHONY COULSON, FMR. DEA SUPERVISOR: This is like capturing Osama bin
Laden having him spend a year in prison and then walking away from that
prison only to reengage in his terrorist activities.

POTTER: Authority city escape probably took months of meticulous planning.
Today dozens of prison officials are being questioned. Guzman was last
seen on a security camera Saturday night entering a shower area. There out
of camera range he slip into a 20 by 20 inch hole down the ladder into an
elaborate ventilated tunnel made of wood and PVC pipe with a small motorize
rail car. The tunnel stretch for about a mile under the prison from a half
built house in a farm field.

MIKE VIGIL, FORMER. DEA SUPERVISOR: The caused of building this tunnel
probably was between 3 to $5 million but, you know, that was a simple
nickel and dime chains to Chapo Guzman.

POTTER: Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto traveling in France said, he
was profoundly trouble by the escape which is considered a major
embarrassment for his government.

happening without government officials being involved. The big question
mark is how high up does it go.

POTTER: And that will be a major question for investigators who are to
figure out exactly who is involved in this escape.


SCHULTZ: Mark Potter reporting tonight. In other news European leaders
reach the deal with Greece to keep the struggling nation in the Euro Zone,
the agreement comes after 17 hours of talks between leaders of European
nations at a meeting in Brussels.


DONALD TUSK, PRESIDENT, EUROPEAN COUNCIL: Leaders have agreed in principle
that they are ready to start negotiations on an ESM program, which in other
words means continued support for Greece.


SCHULTZ: The deal provides nearly $100 billion to Greece but comes with
tough reforms, this includes increasing certain taxes, reforming pensions
and cutting budgets. Greek voters rejected similar austerity measures last
week in a big vote, Greek parliament must vote on the package of reforms by
Wednesday before the country can begin formal bailout negotiations with
European nations.

Still to come on the Ed Show, the rapid response panel on Donald Trump`s
comments on Mexico and his impact on the Republican Party.

And later, 15 is the number now for 2016, Scott Walker adds his name to the
crowded list of Republican candidate.

Stay tuned. We`re right back.

Market Wrap.

Stocks rally on relief about Greece. The DOW climbs 217 points, the S&P is
up by 23, the NASDAQ gains 73 points.

Goldman Sachs is agree to buy asset management firm Imprint Capital
Advisors. The deal is expected to close in the next few months, terms were
not disclosed. And Comcast the pair of this network, is launching a
screening service that will allow you users to watch a variety of T.V.
networks on their smart phones and tablets it will $15 a month.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Donald Trump was nowhere insight
during the Miss USA pageant on Sunday. Too bad he missed hearing from the
newly crowned winner. He claims the country`s greatest problem is race
relations. Trump called undocumented immigrants who cross the Mexican
boarder criminals and rapist despite backlash. Trump told Arizona crowd
over the weekend that Mexico is still at the top of his agenda.


TRUMP: Mexico, I respect the country. They`re taking our jobs, they`re
taking our manufacturing, they`re taking our money, they`re taking
everything and they`re killing us in the boarder. Don`t worry, will take
our country back.


SCHULTZ: Trump of course jumps on the prison escape of a Mexican drug
lord. He says "The United States will invite El Chapo to become a U.S.
citizen because our leaders can`t say no." Trump claims to speak for a
silent majority. Polling release today shows Jeb Bush within leading 15
percent and Trump at 13 percent in the Republican field. The Reuters Ipsos
Poll shows Jeb Bush ahead of Trump by less than a percentage point. Trump
openly mock Bush o a campaign trail.


TRUMP: I`m tired with Jeb Bush and I said "Oh that`s too bad. How can I
be tied with this guy? He`s terrible. He`s weak on immigration. I don`t
see him as a factor and I know it`s the Bush name which, you know, I got to
see a lot of words. I mean, in all fairness, not the greatest.


SCHULTZ: Bush has responded with mild pushback at best. Presidential
contender Lindsey Grahams says Donald Trump could ruin the GOP.


GRAHAM: I think his high jack the debate. I think his a wrecking ball for
the future of the Republican Party with the Hispanic community and we need
to pushback.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight in our Rapid Response Panel, Jon Ralston,
journalist and host of Ralston Live on PVS, also with us tonight Caroline
Heldman, professor of Politics on Occidental College, Ron Christie with us
tonight former specialist assistant to President George W. Bush and
columnist for the Daily Beast.

All right lets unpack this. First, let`s talk about his trip out west.
Jon Ralston, who is showing up and supporting Donald Trump what is the
attraction as you see it.

JON RALSTON, RALSTON LIVE HOST: Well, his the loudest voice among the 17
candidates right and he says all kinds of nonsense, his a billionaire
populist Ed, take our country back where have we heard that before in past
elections and his appealing to the worst of the Republican base the
xenophobic part of the Republican base and he`s just talking loudly his
only he can do. Anybody who doesn`t agree with him is what stupid or
terrible choose the word, of the day that his going to use.

So he`s getting all the attention right now. He sucking the air because he
can do and that`s why he`s doing so well on the polls.

SCHULTZ: So professor is there going to be a burnout on Donald Trump or is
he in for the long hole because his got the money to do with. What do you
think as for instances the GOP I guess the question is are they in the
panic mode right now with Trump?

the panic mode because his eroding a moral authority to government but I
don`t think he`ll be in it for too long. I mean, the xenophobic slide --
side show can only go on for so long. He doesn`t have the money to stay in
at long-term and I think his really only appealing to those, you know, die
hard Tea Party member who are really driven by racial threat.

The Obama presidency made in vogue, made in OK to be openly and explicitly
races and he is planning upon that and I think it`s interesting that he
theorized (ph) Mitt Romney because Mitt Romney did not appeal. He only
appeals to 27 percent of Latino voters and if we look at Donald Trump just
a few years ago, he went after Romney for that and said he made immigrants
feel unwanted. So I don`t even think he believes this rhetoric. I think
she`s paddling racism in order to get support.

SCHULTZ: Ron Christie, what I here to Sen. Lindsay Graham say, "I don`t
hear Reince Priebus say that head of the RNC." What do you make at that?

CHRISTIE: In my understanding is that Reince Priebus the chairman of the
RNC did call Mr. Trump and did tell him to tone down his rhetoric. I think
it`s a disgrace frankly. If you want to run for the presidency of the
United States, you want to talk about what`s you`re for. You had to talk
about how you`re going to strength the economy, you can talk about how
you`re going to just strengthen our boarders and make sure that we have a
strong homeland not say that a certain group of people are rapists or
criminals or what have you. There is a legitimate debate to be had about
immigration reform Ed, but I think his going about at the wrong way.


CHRISTIE: And one last point I would say to Caroline, I`m sorry Caroline
professor all the Tea Party folks aren`t racist. Tea Party folks don`t
feel racism.

HELDMAN: I don`t even say all Tea Party that never (inaudible) but Chris
Parker research know -- Chris Parker research confirmed that Tea Party
members are driven by more racial threat than other Republican if you look
at the data.

CHRISTIE: That just absolute, that`s absolute nonsense that Tea Party

HELDMAN: You can read it

CHRISTIE: The Tea Party stand for test (ph) enough already. There are
people on this country who say the government is far too interest and far
too big and far too of reaching. Look at Obamacare, but I`m just not going
to sit here and say, oh and majority of people are racists.

HELDMAN: Read the research.

CHRISTIE: Or the Tea Party.

HELDMAN: I didn`t say that.

CHRISTIE: When against you, you probably had met one, have you?


HELDMAN: Of course I have but I didn`t say that. If there is research
documenting that Tea Party members hold greater racial threat then other
members of the Republican Party, you should know this if you`re going to
strategized for that party.

CHRISTIE: Well, I strategize base on my experience working on Capitol Hill
and working on the White House not up for reading someone said specific
poll. But the point I think that we can both agree on here is professor
that it`s important that if you move forward, you need to got to civilized
debate, Donald Trump is not part of the civilized debate.

SCHULTZ: What about that Jon Ralston? So does Donald Trump know the
issues or he is just taken a big bite out of immigration because he knows
that there`s going to be some rabble rouser behind him. He claim study of
course is igniting the silent majority. What is all of that?

JON RALSTON, HOST, "RALSTON LIVE": Well, he doesn`t understand the new
answer of debate (inaudible). He`s not going to have a civilized debate.
He doesn`t want to civilized debate Ed, and his not running for president,
his running for the loud mouth of the year and that gets attention from
people in my business. That`s what happened.

The only thing more comical than the Republicans being silent to Reince
Priebus making a phone call and not speak out of about them are the
Democrats someone who gleeful and painting every Republican candidate with
the broad Donald Trump brought. I still think this is going to fizzle out.
I don`t believe his in it for the long hole. I think that he wants to make
a full accounting of his finances and I don`t think he`ll be in race by the
end of the year.

SCHULTZ: All right Jon Ralston, and Caroline Heldman, Ron Christie thanks
for the conversation tonight. We got more coming up.

Still to come, Scott Walker is making it official? We`ll look at what the
Wisconsin governor brings to the Republican race.

Stay tuned. We`re right back.


SCHULTZ: And the numbers keep coming in here on the Ed Show. Here are the
results on tonight`s Bing Pulse Poll. Tonight`s question, "Should the AFL-
CIO endorse the candidate early on?" 37 percent of you say "Yes", 63
percent say "Keep your powder dry (ph), we want to hear more."

Keep voting until the end of the hour at We are right


SCHULTZ: And in tonight`s Two-Minute Drill. Have about a change up.
Well, here comes Baseball All-Stars will be swinging for the sits tonight
at the Home Run Derby. Baseball may finally have found the way to make the
Home Run Derby very interesting.

Players are going to be batting against the clock. They`ll have five
minutes to hit as many balls under the park as possible. A home run in the
final minute will pause the clock until they missed a pitch or come up
short. I can`t wait to see that.

A really long ball with the -- will score hitters with some bonus time, for
instance an extra minute for two homers measuring over 420 feet, 30 seconds
if one travels 475 feet or more. Now a new bracket format puts batters in
head to head match ups. Todd Frazier the national league competitor with
25 home runs so far this season. For the Reds, he`ll face two time derby
winner Prince Fielder under the Texas Rangers. Albert Pujols leads the
American league with 26 home runs this season but at Angels he has 546 over
his 15 year career. He`ll face off against the Cubs Rookie who I think
everybody is waiting for. Kris Bryant who said 12 home runs this season.

I think it will be interesting, but I don`t want to keep the clock on that
deal. There`s going to be controversy on this.

Stick around lots more coming up at the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, here in the Ed Show, we have some Breaking
News of this hour. You are looking live at a live shot from Governor Scott
Walker`s presidential announcement and Walker`s show in Wisconsin. Where
they`ve already play a piece of video of yours truly, Ed. Walker is
expected to take the stage in just a few minutes from now.

Earlier today, Walker put out this video previewing his campaign.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Scott Walker showed the path to victory is to run on
our principles, conservative, bold, decisive. He balanced budget, cut
taxes, be to special interest, improved the education, created job, and
showed how to fight and win.

WALKER: American needs new fresh leadership with big bold idea from
outside of Washington. Actually get things done.


SCHULTZ: Today`s announcement makes Scott Walker, the Governor of
Wisconsin, the 15th Republican candidate to enter the race.

For more, let me bring in John Nichols, Washington correspondent of the
Nation Magazine, also with us tonight Ruth Conniff Editor-in-Chief of the
Progressive Magazine. Well, let`s see in 30 seconds, we were just told
that he`s balance the budgets, he`s create a jobs, and he`s made education
better. Both of you are Wisconsin residents.

John Nichols, has he balanced the budget? I thought there was a big fight
going on at Wisconsin about that right now.

JOHN NICHOLS, THE NATION MAGAZINE: Well, it`s an incredibly controversial
issue and it`s interesting that taxpayer advocates actually refer to this
budget that the Governor just signed yesterday. As more the same, not a
fiscally responsible or efficient budget, but this governor has developed a
narrative that he is fine to take national which suggest he has solve every
problem in Wisconsin and made everything, you know, rosy and wonderful when
even many of this fellow Republicans actually voted against his budget. 12
republicans oppose this budget, many of them because it concerns about
fiscal responsibility.

SCHULTZ: Ruth Conniff, the jobs what are the numbers, what is the truth
outside of the ad or is the ad correct?

RUTH CONNIF, THE PROGRESSIVE MAGAZINE: Well, Walker came into power a
promising to create 250,000 new jobs in Wisconsin and you can`t find that
anywhere. In fact the Progressive Magazine we`ve been searching for the
page that is -- you get directed to, to see he`s doing on a jobs promise
and you get a picture of his family dressed as pirates, and it says "Our
(ph) page is missing."

So, he`s created less than half of that number is really the bottom line
and his outsource a lot of jobs, his given a lot of money away through he`s
job creation agency which he created how great this job to corporations but
then outsource jobs. So Wisconsin is running a massive deficit, in terms
of jobs and we`re dragging behind the rest of the country, we`re dragging
at the very bottom of our region for job creation so it`s, so it`s not a
good picture economically in Wisconsin which is why large majorities of
Wisconsin I say that they won`t vote for Walker for president.

SCHULTZ: Jon, is he gone too far to the right, there some observation out
there that maybe his distance himself out of the possibility of a

NICHOLS: Well, as he declined in the polls after running out very fast in
January and February. I think Scott Walker got very, very concern about
loosing talks to debates in the Republican Party. He knows he can`t get to
November of 2016 without getting through those primaries. So he is moved
hard to left -- or to the right and I think it is a strategy in Wisconsin,
he had some success scrambling back to the middle after going right, but
one thing that`s very important to know here is, he speaks today if he
delivers to as expected it`s going to be a very, very right-wing speech
that I like to detects (ph) on unions, his very conservative stances on gun
control, voter I.D. and a host of other issue.

SCHULTZ: Ruth Conniff, what has happened in education in Wisconsin? He
claims that his made the system better, he claims that he`s reforms have
been successful and improve education that`s the term he used.

CONNIFF: I mean, this to me is really the most devastating thing that
Scott Walker has done, he took a top tier K-12 public education system and
he just took a meat cleaver to it and we hear a lot about the $250 million
in cuts to grade, University of Wisconsin that`s really awful to. A lot of
Republicans, a lot of badger fans are upset about that. But the K-12 cuts
are just brutal, they`re historic, they cut off opportunities for poor
kids. He is simultaneously cut the budget by almost a billion dollars.
Every single district in the state almost -- is going to suffer from
another cut on top of that in this current budget and then he`s voucherized
our system in a move that is wildly unpopular with Republicans and
Democrats are like seizing...


CONNIF: ... money out of the public schools to private school parent in
the form of school vouchers.

SCHULTZ: Jon Nichols, he fought labor in Wisconsin and he got a lot of
victories, how is that play on the national scene?

NICHOLS: I don`t think he can place all that well with the great mass of
Americans, but it does play at least to some extent in the Republican
primaries, and it`s very important to know that Governor Walker in the
anticipated speech tonight will use his attack on unions as a poor theme
and a pivot point with that speech. He will -- he`s expected to say we
attack -- we took on the unions and we won. The other thing that`s
important to understand is he just signed a budget and with they attack in
prevailing way they remove living wage language from state statute and they
actually they take away protections to make sure that people get one day a
week off. So, he`s running against unions, against wages and against the

SCHULTZ: And finally Jon, how is does this crowd compare in numbers in
enthusiasm to a Bernie Sanders because Bernie was in of course Madison,
Wisconsin and drew some 10,000 folks.

NICHOLS: Yeah. Look this is, this is a very enthusiastic crowd there`s no
question about. I think it`s a bit smaller but look this people here in
Waukesha County was voted overwhelmingly for Scott Walker he`s in his
favorite turf (ph) here.


NICHOLS: I`m pretty excited about.

SCHULTZ: All right Jon Nichols, Ruth Conniff, great to have you with is
tonight as Scott Walker is now officially in the field.

That`s the Ed show, I`m Ed Schultz.

PoliticsNation with Reverend Al Sharpton, starts right now.


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