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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: July 17, 2015
Guest: Steve Cohen, Lawrence Korb, Matt Schlapp, Dean Obeidallah, Henry
Fernandez, John Nichols


ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from Detroit Lakes, Minnesota.

Let`s get to work.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Tonight, Chattanooga attack.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is an investigation of terrorism.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We where there know it`s been (ph) and making sure we
bring this to closure for the American people.

SCHULTZ: Plus, Republican grant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s getting to the point of (inaudible) now for the
president won`t say Islamic extremist terrorism.

DONALD TRUMP, GOP PRESIDENCIAL CANDIDATE 2016: He has the term Islamic
terrorism which the President refuses to use and nobody can quite
understand why.

SCHULTZ: Later, firing the crazies.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He criticizes your event in phoenix saying that you
bought the extremist the craziest.

TRUMP: They weren`t crazies, they were great American. I know crazies
believe me. John McCain calls them crazies. I think it`s inappropriate.

SCHULTZ: And heading to the Heartland (ph). We will have all five
Democratic presidential candidates on one state together.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching. We
start this evening with important updates on Thursday shooting rampage that
left four marines dead in Tennessee. A short time ago, the U.S. Attorney
for Eastern Tennessee said that they are investigating the shooting as an
act of terrorism.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL KILLIAN, U.S. ATTORNEY: The active shooter situation is being treated
as a terrorism investigation. It is being led by FBI`s joined terrorism
task force. And we will continue to investigate it as an act of terrorism
until the proof show us otherwise. We will let the facts and the evidence
latest where it may.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: And we`re learning new details about the gunman Mohammad Youssuf
Abdulazeez who was killed in a gun battle with Chattanooga police. He had
an American and also a Jordanian passport. Official say he traveled to the
Middle East in April and when he return in November he appear more devout.
He had grown a beard and his mosque attendance was up.

Abdulazeez spent time in Jordan. All of his electronic devices have been
sent to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Virginia for analysis. At this
point authorities cannot connect. The shooting to ISIS, he was not on a
terrorist watch list. The motive behind the shooting is still not known.

Earlier today Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee Mike McCaul
assumed this was ISIS inspired attach.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. MIKE MCCAUL, (R-TX) HOMELAND SECURITY CMTE: My (inaudible) is base on
my experience. And brothers and federal prosecutors as a chairman of
Homeland Security and that is -- we seen too much of this traffic, there
too many either warning signs the targets are identical to the targets
called by ISIS to attack. So my judgment and my experience is that it was
an ISIS-inspired attack. And it has been open as terrorism investigation
by the FBI which is very significant even in this case.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Earlier today the FBI was asked about McCaul`s comments.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ED REINHOLD, FBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE KNOXVILLE, TN: What we`re saying
is that that is a possibility that we will explore just like any other
possibility. And this time we have no indication that he was inspired by
or directed by anyone other than himself.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: We also learn the names of the four victims the United States
Marines today that were killed in the shooting, Gunnery Sergeant Thomas
Sullivan, Staff Sergeant David Wyatt, Sergeant Carson Holmquist and Lance
Corporal Squire Wells.

Today their bodies were transported out of Tennessee in a convoy. A
military spokesperson said that they were being taken to Dover, Delaware
where their caskets will be draped and an honorable transfer will be
conducted. We will to continue to follow the story closely and bring you
updates as we get them.

For more let me bring in Tennessee Congressman Steve Cohen. Congressman,
good to have you with us tonight. I`d like you reaction to Mike McCaul
your colleague in the House assuming that this is an ISIS-inspired attack.
What your response to that?

REP. STEVE COHEN, (D) TENNESSE: Well, I can understand why he said, you
know, I respect Mike and like Mike. You have to look, you know, that he
went to military installation or recruiting station and into another
military installation. You look at his Facebook postings, you have to do
something for Allah and life is short and the high school "We you see my
name at security it`s a problem, how about yours?" I mean, it`s at least
related to his religion and his isolation from the mainframe of the
American society. But I can understand why Mike would think that. We were
on bravo alert and it was walks, talks, quakes, looks, it`s a duck.

SCHULTZ: How troubled are you about hearing about his overseas travels and
how does that play into your opinion?

COHEN: Well, I`m concerned of course. He was up Jordanian decent and came
to this country from Kuwait. But I think he had relatives in Jordan and
he`d been there several times and it`s understandable somebody would want
to go back to maybe the roots of visits family. But the fact that he made
such a long trip recently and I think he was seven month duration trip to
Jordan. Not confirm that he been to Yemen as well. Those are sites where
you can interact with some people who want you to do harm here. And at
minimum I think he was inspired by others who saw there.

When he came back he was much more religious and much more devout and
certainly those last posting on Monday about doing something for Allah and
life is short indicate that he knew what he was doing and he was doing at
the some manner. He thought to dissipate related who was region. And it`s
so unfortunate that this is how they distort religion.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

COHEN: And I think he did.

SCHULTZ: Congressman, your comments over the phone on this broadcast last
night has sparked quite a conversation about these military facilities
should be guarded. Yesterday you said that military members should be
armed at recruiting stations. Do you stand by that?

COHEN: I definitely do. I think that there`s no question they`re targets
and they have been shown in Little Rock as well as Chattanooga. And I
think that the military would know how to use their weapons properly. I
sponsored and past the right to carry bill in Tennessee 20 years ago. And
that`s been expanded further than it should be to go into bars and almost
require people to carry a gun.

But I think somebody who`s doesn`t have criminal record has clear of a
mental health background and done our fireman accuracy test and firearm
tested to know training to know the law and to be able to show they can use
the weapon proficiently, effectively and efficiently should be allow to
carry a gun and certainly military people should. And they have those
weapons on them. I`m sure some of those men would be alive, maybe all of
them.

SCHULTZ: What are you hearing from your colleagues on the House about the
shooting? Do you think that there will be any in kind of follow up all or
any kind of congressional committee discussion about your talking about
right now?

COHEN: I`m sure there will be. We just had a hearing with Homeland
Security and part of that hearing with the Secretary Johnson was the
distinction between terrorist at home that attack not because the Muslim
terrorist but terrorist who attack in Charleston the Emanuel nine or the
terrorist in Oklahoma City, and terrorist in other spots. And there`s
great deal of terrorism in both regards. Both American home grown
terrorist attacking our government of being against any government
authorities and then people who inspired or inspired by ISIS or inspired by
their religion and the grand (ph) to do something.

SCHULTZ: All right.

COHEN: I`m sure they`ll be discussions and the fact that this man Muslim
and had Arab name is going to cause a lot of consternation.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Steve Cohen of Tennessee with us tonight Ed Show.
Appreciate your time sir. Thank so much.

Let me bring in Colonel Jack Jacobs Medal of Honor Recipient, MSNBC
Military Analyst, also with us tonight Lawrence Korb Senior Fellow at the
Center for American Progress, gentlemen thank you.

Colonel you first, your reaction to McCaul`s comment today, was that a step
too far too early. Your thoughts?

COL. JACK JABOBS, MSNBC MILITARY ANALYST: No, I don`t think so
necessarily. It certainly true that he did exactly what ISIS exhorted
people to do. So there`s very little doubt that he was as minimum inspire,
but what`s going on overseas probably not directed. But I`m very
interested in his seven month absence from the United States and where he
went after he went to Jordan. Investigation turn up exactly where he went
and what he did over time.

But there`s no doubt that this isn`t just a garden variety crime. It`s
either a terrorist act or terrorist inspired act. But I think all the
investigators especially defense are going to keep an open mind till they
have all the facts.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Korb what`s McCaul, the congressman trying to accomplish here
as you see it?

LAWRENCE KORB, CENTER FOR AMERICA PROGRESS: Well, what he`s trying to do
is say this was not only inspired Jack was said but directed by. And so
therefore we got to take more forceful posture in the Middle East sending
ground troops, step up our envelopment.

I mean think that, you know, that`s the bottom line here. To no doubt as
Jack said he was probably inspired by things he has read or heard when he
was overseas. But the fact to the matter is directed is a big step. I
mean, if you look at what happened in Charleston or just what happen in
Colorado. They may have been inspired by groups but they certainly weren`t
directed by any of these extreme groups.

SCHULTZ: Colonel, Congressman Cohen of Tennessee, several times now has
said that he thinks his Recruiting Centers should be armed. What if they
were armed, what would that change if anything?

JACOBS: Well, I think they should all be armed. I think the defense
department or to make decision on that on a case by case basis. Take for
example the recruiting station that`s not far from 30 Rock. It`s just over
a Time Square. It`s a small recruiting station. All the services are
there. It`s extremely small (ph) and it`s dead in the middle of Time
Square amid thousands and thousands of people. That`s probably not a good
candidate to have the recruiters armed.

On the other hand, there maybe plenty of them that are more isolated where
they can be armed and should be armed. But we have to remember this. Once
you armed them, you have to make sure that they are capable of using their
weapons in that environment. It`s not enough to be able to shoot a weapon.
You have to be able to use the weapon and be trained in using the weapon in
an urban environment that takes a lot of training. The police work on it
all the time so there`s no reason why they can`t do it, but it`s going to
require a lot more training. And my guess is the Defense Department is
going to make the decision to do that but do that on a case by case basis
depending upon where the recruiting station is.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Korb, what do you think the best answer is the security`s
recruiting centers if go down that road?

KORB: Well, I think, you know, Jack is right that you got to train the
people because there`s a big difference fighting in a battlefield and
dealing with, you know, an urban environment but what really worries me is
how do this guy get the guns. The whole questions of our gun control in
this country, an AK-47. I mean, this is a thing that we`ve got to stop
because until we keep him, people like him, or the people in Charleston, or
the people out in Colorado with guns we`re not going stop these senseless
killings.

SCHULTZ: So you think that more gun laws would have protected these
marines?

KORB: Well, I think so. What I mean, you know, I think they`re
investigating how he get an AK-47, how did the young man in Charleston, how
did he get a weapon. That`s what we need to know. I mean, the whole idea
of our -- if you look, compare this country to other countries like us
around the world and the number of killings we have so many more because of
the proliferation of guns.

SCHULTZ: Jack Jacobs, Lawrence Korb, gentlemen, thanks for the
conversation tonight on the Ed Show. Appreciate your time.

Coming up, Republicans cranked up the rhetoric following the shooting in
Chattanooga. We`ll have reaction coming up.

And later, it`s a hot back and forth. Donald Trump and John McCain trade
barbs over Trump device (ph) on politics. Stay tune.

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Coming up, we`ll have the latest an updates from Chattanooga throughout the
hour.

And up next, Republican thought leaders react to what President Obama isn`t
saying about the shooting. Stay tune.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRES. BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I`d ask all Americans to
pray for the families who are grief-stricken at this point. And I want
everybody to understand that we will be thorough and prompt in figuring out
exactly what happened.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: President Obama last night addressing Thursday shootings in
Tennessee. Suspected gunman Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez killed four
marines on a military facility. He was killed during the gun battle with
Chattanooga police.

Abdulazeez is a naturalized citizen from Kuwait. Republicans are already
slamming the president for not calling the shootings an act of Islamic
terrorism.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: You have the term "Islamic terrorism," which the president refuses
to use even though there seems to be quite a bit of it. If you look around
the world, certainly it`s there, there`s something going on. But it seems
so sad that a whole group of people have to blamed, but it does seem to be
happening a lot, Bill, and whether it`s here or in other countries, it
certainly is there, and there is a form of Islamic terrorism. President
Obama refuses to use the term, and nobody can quite understand why.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: This isn`t just coming from the likes of Donald Trump.
Presidential Candidate Bobby Jindal, governor of Louisiana, released a
statement that read in part, "While it`s too early to know for sure what
happened, it certainly looks like an act of terrorism. It`s time for the
White House to wake up and tell the truth. And the truth is that radical
Islam is a war, is at war with us, and we must start being honest about
that. This is grotesque. You cannot defeat evil until you admit that it
exists."

Conservative Thought Leader Charles Krauthammer also agrees.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, CONSERVATIVE THOUGHT LEADER: When we had the
underwear bomber of trying to bring down a plane over Detroit, Obama
immediately said that this was an isolated extremist. It wasn`t, in fact.
It turned out to be connected to al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. So I
think it`s sort of the whole the six and a half years of Obama always
wanting to err on the side of downplaying the threat. The threat is
radical Islam which he won`t say.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: For more let me bring in Matt Schlapp tonight, American
Conservative Union Chairman and Former Political Director for George W.
Bush, Dean Obeidallah with us tonight Columnist for the Daily Beast.

Gentlemen, a question to both of you and Matt, you first. What difference
does it make?

The president yesterday in the Oval Office was clearly emotionally torn by
the news that four United States marines had been innocently gunned down at
a recruiting center. And he is being picked apart for what he is not
saying. Isn`t that over boarder? Do you agree with the criticism?

MATT SCHLAPP, AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE UNION: You know I think it`s unfair to
almost act like this is a result of his policies but I do think it is fair
to say that after all of these occurrences we`ve had Forth Hood et cetera
that we have to call it what it is and the U.S. Attorney came out today and
said this was domestic terrorism investigation.

He works for the president of United States. Why can`t the president of
United States use the same words? I think there`s feeling in the country
Ed, that if we can`t name our foe, if we can`t name our enemy, how can we
fight him in every way we need to and I think rhetoric in tone and words
matter.

In this case, the president ought to be four square with theses terrorist
and with the international community that we know that they`re coming to
get us an we`re ready and we`re going to take them on.

SCHULTZ: You know, Dean, your response to that?

DEAN OBEIDALLAH, DAILY BEAST COLUMNIST: I think we know the enemy Matt
it`s called ISIS and al-Qaeda. That, there you go, let`s get them. I
think it`s pretty simple what we`re at.

We`re not fighting radical Islam because there is no such thing as radical
Islam. I know people will think you know, they`re angry with me, the write
things about that, I`ve written about that form the Daily Beast, I`ve
talked about it on other shows. There are radical Muslims, there are
Muslim terrorist who commit things. There`s only one Islam just like if
someone attacks an abortion clinic, we don`t call them a follow of radical
Christianity, they are a radical Christian.

I think that getting lost to the words is not as meaningful as the fact
that in America, over 10,000 people are killed every year by gun violence.
This man had a gun, Charleston, the man had a gun. We we`re guessed on
earlier talking about Colorado. James Holmes killed 20 people, 12 people
wounded 70 others, they had a gun.

Let`s talk about that as well. You know, fighting radical, radical`s
extreme is as important, let`s make it harder for them to get guns
regardless of their radical on the right, and anti-government radical or an
Islamic radical.

SCHULTZ: Well Dean, is it too much to ask the president to identify what
many Americans believe is a fight to the death? And this is the nature of
the war that we`re facing now at home. It appears, is that too much to ask
to the president?

OBEIDALLAH: No its not and I think he`s doing it responsibly and
accurately and that`s really the term. I mean, I had an opportunity to
meet with President Obama a few months ago with other Muslim American
leaders, we had this exact conversation. His goal was to be accurate, not
to be politically correct. I think that President Obama thought that
radical Islam was the right term, we`d be hearing that but we haven`t
warned ISIS.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

OBEIDALLAH: We`re bombing ISIS. We`re talking al- Qaeda.

SCHLAPPP: But why didn`t he say, we`re in a fight with radicalized
Muslims?

OBEIDALLAH: He doesn`t say that either.

(CROSSTALK)

SCHULTZ: Let me answer that.

I`m not so sure this was the place to do that. I that I think the
President has got the.

SCHLAPPP: Well, but why did the.

SCHULTZ: He`s got bully pulpit but at the time that he was commenting to
the media yesterday, he was thinking about those four American soldiers and
their families.

SCHLAPPP: OK. Well, Ed.

SCHULTZ: And he his asking for prayer. I mean, there`s a man places the
president could choose to jump in and identify what you think this conflict
is.

SCHLAPP: But how about today after the U.S. Attorney said that this is an
investigation on domestic terrorism? I think now, that put some works for
the President and I think now its time for the President to say, "That`s
what this investigation is all about."

Now look at the facts come out different, that`s why you have an
investigation but the president time and time again, this is not the only
time that he has shied away from accurately describing what this is and let
me hit this gun question head on. The one gun control conservatives will
agree with liberals on is radicalized Muslims. If that`s the term you want
to use, radicalized members of Islam should not be carrying semiautomatic
weapons because if they intent to do harm to our country, they should have
those weapons so it`s a ridiculous argument that this is about gun control.

(Crosstalk)

They`re crucifying Christians. They are not ISIS killing when we`re
drowning Christians. They are beheading people all over the globe. It
doesn`t matter the type of weapon.

OBEIDALLAH: For which on might in American. United States over 10,000
people have murdered last year by gun violence? What is the religion of
the people who pulled that trigger? You`re going to come with your Muslim,
they`re not. You know they`re not.

SCHLAPP: This is not about. You are missing it complete. This is not
about gun violence.

OBEIDALLAH: It`s a component that`s probative.

SCHLAPP: This is about radical Islamic terrorism too.

OBEIDALLAH: True, that`s part of it.

SCHLAPP: And all of the tweets and the posts and the actions that happen
overseas, they tell us everyday, we are going to take the great Vietnam.

SCHULTZ: OK. All right.

SCHLAPP: We`re coming for you.

SCHULTZ: I want to ask both of you, what role -- if any does the Muslim
community play in the healing process in Tennessee. Dean, your thoughts.

OBEIDALLAH: I think down there, I mean I already spoke to one leader down
there. They`re having an interfaith defend tonight. They`re mourning
together, Christians, Jews, and Muslims, people all of different faiths for
the marines. You know the Muslim community in Tennessee`s condemned it,
Muslims across the country has condemned it. You know, our thoughts and
prayers over the four marines who lost their lives and their families right
now.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

OBEIDALLAH: So that`s where the healing can come from. We`re all
Americans. We`re all in this together. ISIS would kill me as quickly as a
marine even maybe more so because I`m a Muslim and I`m a critic of ISIS.

SCHULTZ: And Matt, this criticism at the president is facing if I may. Do
you think to talk like this stirs up a political base against the
president? Or do you think most Americans really believe he needs to go a
step further?

SCHLAPP: You know Ed. I`ll just speak for myself. All I want him to do
is on these basic questions of national security, is speak up and be bold
because I`m afraid that overseas, these crazy people that want to do us
harm don`t fear us as much as they should and I just want it to be clear.
On these issues let`s say partisanship away. Let`s stand up for America
and let`s protect ourselves and my Lord, let`s protect our marines.

SCHULTZ: Do you think the president is not standing up for America?

SCHLAPP: No, but I want us to be as bold as we possibly can. Can`t we all
do this together?

SCHULTZ: OK. Well, I think we can.

Matt Schlapp, Dean Obeidallah, good to have both of you on this tonight.

OBEIDALLAH: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: I appreciate the conversation.

SCHLAPP: Thank you Ed

SCHULTZ: Thanks so much. We`ll have an update from Chattanooga on the
investigation and the community`s reaction to Thursday shooting. That`s
coming up next.

And late, Donald Trump`s popularity in the GOP shows a troubling trend
among Republican voters -- that`s if you don`t like Trump. The Rapid
Response panel weighs in all the latest polls.

Stay with us. We`re right back.

(COMMERICAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: And we are back on the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight.

We`re continuing to follow developments from Thursday`s deadly shooting and
enable operation center in Chattanooga, Tennessee. The community is
looking for answers and working towards healing.

Earlier today, two military veterans led a vigil at the University of
Tennessee, Chattanooga to honor the four marines who lost their lives.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is your community, this is where we live and
something happened here that should never happen that`s why we join the
military for this never to happen.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

Schultz: NBC, Sarah Dallof joins us tonight on the phone from Chattanooga.
Sarah, give us a sense of what the community is saying and feeling today.

SARAH DALLOF, NBC NEW CORRESPONDENT: Oh good evening Ed. I would say the
community right now is united in their grief, their reunited in their shock
and they are united in their supports for the victim, their families, the
military and law enforcement.

I`m outside and interfaith vigil that`s happening right now. We see people
of all religions heading inside to worship together, to pray together, and
just be together as the community. One person telling me, they`re not only
going to come back from this but they vow to come back stronger and that`s
something we`re seeing across this city.

You know this investigation has been ongoing. There were officials on the
scene all through the night and all until today. And as they work people
in the community were coming out carrying a flowers and cards and American
flags and living them at the base of the crime scene not only in tribute to
this victim but that so those working this case can see that they have the
support of the community and that they are standing behind them right now
Ed.

SCHULTZ: NBC Sarah Dallof reporting tonight from Chattanooga, Tennessee.
Thanks Sarah, appreciate it.

DALLOF: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: There`s a lot more coming up for the Ed Show.

Stay with us. We`re right back.

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SCHULTZ: Welcome to the Ed Show. I guess it could be a game show. It`s
time to play phoenix feud with Senator John McCain and president for
hopeful Donald Trump. McCain thanks Trump`s Arizona rally last weekend was
"Very bad news." He said that Donald "Fired up the crazies," and activated
a "Very extreme element within the Republican Party."

Now, that`s interesting, he said that. This added admission that there is
a very extreme element in the Republican Party, most folks don`t say that.

Donald Trump lashed out on Twitter calling McCain a dummy.

That`s deep. McCain is well familiar with those extreme elements in the
GOP, isn`t he? Listen to the crowd at his 2008 presidential campaign
rally.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MCCAIN: Are you sure who is the real Barack Obama?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A terrorist.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: McCain supporters were just following the lead of his running
mate.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SARAH PALIN, FORMER GOVERNOR (R) ALASKA: We see America as a force for
good in this world. Our opponent is someone who sees America as imperfect
enough to palling around with terrorists who targeted their own country.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: In fair comparison, John McCain wouldn`t be the last person who
can lecture a candidate about irresponsible leadership. He activated Sarah
Palin as a national political figure.

Trump stoked the fears of voters by calling for the wall at the U.S.-
Mexican border. According to the latest polls, 70 percent of Republican
voters agree with him. Extreme views aren`t about the candidate named
Donald Trump. They`re coming from the Republican Party.

Joining me tonight on our Rapid Response panel, Henry Fernandez Senior
Fellow at the Center for American Progress Fund, and also Matt Schlapp
Chairman of the American Conservative Union and Former White House
Political Director for George W. Bush. Great to have both of you with us
again.

SCHLAPP: Good to be here.

SCHULTZ: Henry, what do you make of this? I mean, McCain trying to throw
cold water on those folks out there who are supporting Trump who basically
paralleled his campaign back in 2008.

HENRY FERNANDEZ, CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS FUND: Yes, but I think it`s
important that John McCain is coming out and actually saying the truth here
that this is extremism and Donald Trump is taking advantage of the
extremist elements in the party. I think there`s a Fox News poll that just
came out that showed Donald Trump in the lead, but it also showed something
very interesting.

A strong majority of the people who were polled across the country
dismissed Donald Trump as a candidate. And that I`d never seen this
language in a poll before. They dismissed him because they considered him
a loud mouth according to the poll.

SCHULTZ: Well, if his polling well, I think he`d probably take the number
over the label a loud mouth. I mean.

FERNANDEZ: Right.

SCHULTZ: There`s something amazing about the Trump, he just knows how to
get news but he`s also.

FERNANDEZ: Right.

SCHULTZ: Nobody is really giving him any credit here, Matt Schlapp. He is
connecting with the poll numbers as far as 70 percent of Republican voters
agree with him on the wall with Mexico. What do you make of it?

SCHLAPP: That`s right. When all these people like Henry and all these
elites say that he`s a loud mouth and he wacko, and McCain takes them on as
crazy and I suppose on crazy, too. You know, you`re just making him bigger
because what he is running on is Washington is broken outside of Washington
platform. And he doesn`t care what any these people think about him. He
cares about what people in the country think and he`s connecting to him and
polls are math and the math is simple. He`s catching on.

And so, what I think we`re seeing from his other Republican candidates,
instead of trashing him, they`re actually starting to mirror him and
emulate him. You saw this with Ted Cruz. You see this with others.

And if John McCain`s going to run against Donald Trump, here`s one thing I
can promise you, Donald Trump is going to pick up another 10 points in
these polls.

SCHULTZ: OK. Well, Matt, what do you make of Senator John McCain, is he
trashing Donald Trump?

SCHLAPP: Yes.

SCHULTZ: Is he saying the wrong thing?

SCHLAPP: Yeah. He`s saying the wrong thing. He`s saying something that
actually helps the other side. He`s splintering our coalition. Our
coalition goes from the center all the way to the right just as the other
parties does -- mirrors at the same on the side. And we got to have
everyone together if we`re to win this presidential campaign.

And I like the fact that we have presidential candidates who aren`t
speaking to strictly partisan and Republicans. They`re speaking to more
independent minded voters. That is a smart thing for us to do. If we can
grab them as part of our coalition, we`re going to win.

SCHULTZ: Henry, what do you make of that?

FERNANDEZ: Well, look. Latino decisions which is the premiere polling
operation in terms of polling Latinos on political issues. Just released
research today that show that for the Republican candidate to win the
presidential election, they all need to get 47 percent of the Latino vote.
Mitt Romney lost. He got 23 percent of the Latino vote. Right now, Donald
Trump is polling at 13 percent among Latinos.

I don`t think that Donald Trump is going to win, but he is branding the
Republican Party right now. And so, I think the Democrats are pretty happy
with Donald Trump because he is making sure that Latinos are not going to
vote anywhere near 47 percent for the Republican candidate.

SCHLAPP: Well, George W. Bush got about that percentage in 2004, degrade
in 2000. We`ve done this in the past and we can do it again.

SCHULTZ: All right. Ron Paul called out.

FERNANDEZ: Yeah. But he was very, very positive on -- he was very
positive on immigration and just the opposite of the messaging that`s
happening now.

SCHULTZ: Well, that is true. Bush did want to do something on
immigration. He just never got around to it, I guess.

All right Ron Paul called out. What`s that?

SCHLAPP: No. Go ahead, Ed.

SCHULTZ: All right. I want to point this out. Senator Ron Paul, he
called out Donald Trump. Listen to this, our former congressman.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RON PAUL, FMR REPRESENTATIVE (R) TEXAS: But I think he is a dangerous
person. And a lot of people find him sort of funny, and they love him even
you know, libertarian type.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: All right. So that is the former Congressman Ron Paul who ran
for president numerous times. Is he sending a warning or just campaigning
for his son? Matt, what about it?

SCHLAPP: I think it`s a dad he loves his son. I can`t blame him for
trying to do that because you know, this Republican nominating process did
with these -- all these candidates wide open and you know, you couldn`t
really predict who is going to get this nomination. We don`t really have a
front runner. So I just say this is fatherly love and there is nothing
wrong with that.

SCHULTZ: Henry, Reince Priebus, head of the Republican Party has not
publicly denounced Trump`s comments. You know, when is he going to be
label he`s doing the Party at this service with he`s silence?

FERNANDEZ: Well not only that, but Trump kind of disrespect to them in
public. I thought that was interesting.

And it may go to the fact that Donald Trump is someone who has, according
to him, $10 billion and he is going to spent some percentage of it, I
suppose to try to get himself elected.

But I think that the RNC has a brand problem here and Donald Trump is
absolutely the person who is speaking for the Republican Party right now on
immigration and unless that changes, I just don`t see how they`re going to
be viable in states like Virginia, Florida, Colorado, New Mexico where
Latinos in other immigrants, Asian immigrants, as well, are essential to
actually being able to win in those states.

I think that`s the reality. I think that`s -- how this is going to play
out.

SCHULTZ: So both of you, Matt, you first, I mean.

SCHLAPP: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: Is John McCain doing the dog whistle here saying, "Houston, we
got a problem with Donald Trump"?

SCHLAPP: Yes. He is and its strange how the people like John McCain are
worried about what`s happening in the dynamics of this nominating process
and nearly...

SCHULTZ: And now I find that interesting too. What is...

(CROSSTALK)

SCHLAPP: ... there is a lot but we`re here on the left and the fact this
is it. You can keep saying the same talking points about Hispanic voters.
I agree.

We have to reach out to these Hispanic voters but the idea of taking on
crime and the idea that we can reach out to these independent voters who
are economically insecure about their job prospects and the fact there is
salaries in their real take home pay has not increased. Those are real
issues.

And by the way, my Party, the Republican Party reaches out to African-
Americans and Hispanics on cultural issues which the Democrats have left
them behind and years ago. So I take the challenge that we can...

SCHULTZ: The numbers don`t seem to show...

(CROSSTALK)

SCHULTZ: ... there doing a very good job with that.

SCHLAPP: That`s not true.

SCHULTZ: The numbers don`t seem to (inaudible). Doing the President job,
all right.

SCHLAPP: The president I serve did a great job with it.

SCHULTZ: All right. Well, Henry, all right, Donald Trump, is he hurting
John McCain in Arizona. That`s the political accusation right now by
McCain.

FERNANDEZ: You know, is Donald Trump hurting John McCain, or is John
McCain hurting Donald Trump? I think there is an absolute division in the
Party and you`re seeing that playing itself at the Republican Party.

I do think it`s interesting that I got the comments on kind of the goals on
the Republican Party. Matt might be better with that.

But I do think that there is a real fight going on in the Republican Party.
I actually think it`s a healthy fight to have. When moderate Republican
start to say, "Look, you know, let`s look at the demographic changes in
this country."

We`ve already seen that combination of younger voters, women voters,
African-American voters, progressive voters, Latino voters but that`s --
that elects the president and I think that`s what this struggle is going to
be about inside the Republican Party.

SCHULTZ: Well, had someone told me the other day that they thought Donald
Trump was a modern day Archie Bunker (ph). I`m quite ready to go that far
but close.

Henry Fernandez and Matt Schlapp, thanks for the time tonight. I
appreciate it.

Still to come, the Democratic candidates head to Iowa as new analysis shows
Bernie Sanders may have a shot at winning the key state. We`ll have the
details.

Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: Still to come here on the Ed Show. We`ll have an update on
what`s being done around the country to ensure the safety of military
personnel after yesterday shootings in Chattanooga.

And the Democratic candidates will share the stage in Iowa tonight.

John Nichols of the Nation Magazine joins us. We can see what to expect
when all of them get together on stage tonight in Iowa, the big dinner.

Stay with us. We`ll be right back at the Ed Show.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: And here on MSNBC, we`re continuing to follow the news out of
Tennessee as law enforcement officials investigate Thursday`s deadly
shooting at two military recruitment centers.

We just learned the government of Oklahoma, Mary Fallin has authorized
arming full-time personnel at military facilities there in that state.

She said in a press release, "It is painful enough when we lose members of
our armed forces when they are sent in harms way, but is it unfathomable
that they should be vulnerable for attack in our own communities."

Stay with MSNBC for the latest details out of Chattanooga.

We`ll be right back on the Ed Show.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Finally tonight the Democratic
presidential hopefuls are heading to Iowa for their first face to face for
2016. All five candidates are scheduled to attend a hall of fame dinner
fund raiser sponsored by the Iowa state party in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

The brightest spotlights probably will be on Hillary Clinton and Bernie
Sanders according to the most recent Quinnipiac University Poll. Clinton
has the support of 52 percent of likely Iowa Democratic Caucus-Goers.
Sanders has momentum, his catching up with 33 percent.

There are different perspectives on this spread these numbers. Themed (ph)
sports statistician and bracket guy Nate Silver says "The Bernie Sanders
surge is about Bernie not Hillary." Nate Silver points out not everyone in
the media understands the concept. He predicts Bernie Sanders might beat
Hillary Clinton in both the Iowa Caucuses and the New Hampshire Primary
because of the demographics in those states.

The vast majority of media is saying Clinton needs to reintroduce herself
to the liberal base which is the cover story of this Sunday`s New York
Times magazine and associated press.

GfK poll release this week found she hasn`t won over her party`s most
passionate supporters yet. During her first town hall on Thursday in New
Hampshire protesters broke out in the chance after she refused to promise
an immediate halt to all fossil fuel development.

(VIDEO CLIP START)

HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: So I will have to say to you, I`m
sorry if the answer, the specific answer -- wait just a minute dear, wait,
wait.

Well, no, wait, wait, wait.

That`s OK, that`s OK. I am all in favor of acting on climate.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: It be noted Netroots Nation is holding a conference in Phoenix,
Arizona and Hillary Clinton is not attending this year.

I`m joined tonight by John Nichols, Washington Correspondent of the Nation
Magazine. John good to have you with us tonight. What is it going to be
like in Iowa tonight? Is this going to be a barbless night for the
candidates? What do you think?

JOHN NICHOLES, WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, NATION MAGAZINE: I don`t think
there`ll be a lot of barbs tonight Ed. One thing to understand is, this is
a Democratic Party dinner with a lot of people at it, roughly 1,200 they`re
talking about. That`s a huge event and a real substantial portion of the
people who are the influence makers, the influence guiders as regards to
caucuses.

So what well these candidates are going to seek to make their very best
impression. They`re going to want to re-emphasize their strengths and
also, you know, perhaps for some of the candidates introduce themselves to
some extent.

We talk a lot about Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders but we should also
be conscience that.

SCHULTZ: Each campaign was given 200 tickets for their supporters tonight.
So not any one candidate could load up the room, which I think is very
interesting. What about the prediction of Nate Silver or the forecasting
that says that because of the demographics, Iowa and New Hampshire could be
tough for Hillary Clinton because Bernie Sanders is in the race and gotten
some momentum. Even though the numbers 52-33 right now. What do you make
of that?

NICHOLS: Well, Hillary Clinton still has the lead, there`s simply no
question to that. And this is her challenge at this point is to make those
connections, re-emphasize her strengths. Obviously for Sanders he`s had
huge meetings and they`ve drawn a lot of people but one of the challenges
is to get people who come to meetings to actually turn out especially for
caucuses.

Remember, caucuses are demanding events. They are not merely going in and
casting a vote as you will in New Hampshire. They are events where you
have to come in spend time, kind of know how they work.

And so Clinton still has some real advantages here. But the people in this
room, in Cedar Rapids, those are folks who by and large know how to do
caucuses. And so as a result the impression that these candidates make is
very, very important.

So you`re going to see Sanders really trying to connect. You will also see
Martin O`Malley, who has put a lot of energy into Iowa and seems to be very
committed to working that state. He is also really going to try and
introduce himself in a big way and make a big impression.

SCHULTZ: And finally, what about the New York Times Magazine, their
article coming up these Sunday, saying that Hillary needs to reintroduce
herself with debates. I find that rather interesting. I think most people
in America know who Hillary Clinton is and where she stands on issues.
What do you make of this, reintroducing Hillary Clinton?

NICHOLS: Well, it`s also a challenge for somebody who`s been around for a
long time. But I don`t think it`s new here. You know, the (inaudible) is
very good, I`ve read it. But the important thing to understand is that the
start of this week, Hillary Clinton gave a big economic speech and while
there are people who`ve been critical of it. It also contained a lot of
serious thinking and some depth.

And so I would suggest to you that Hillary Clinton`s is already well into
this process. And she has some real strength with debates. But as you
suggest, this is a new campaign. She has to present herself in the context
of this campaign and at the heart of this campaign are those core economic
issues that she`s got to connect on. I think she just started doing that
Monday, I expect you`ll see her.

SCHULTZ: Yeah

NICHOLS: Really focusing on a lot of that tonight in Iowa.

SCHULTZ: She`s got a lot of people on staff in Iowa. She`s got a much
better volunteer effort in Iowa than she had in 2008, only time will tell
whether that really unfolds in her favor if it matters. She`s always been
good on foreign policy and she has also been, I think pretty darned good on
economic development as well. That will be interesting to see.

John Nichols, always great to have you with us. Appreciate your time
tonight on The Ed Show. Thanks so much.

And that is The Ed Show for this Friday evening.

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