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Date: July 21, 2015
Guest: Genevieve Wood, Nina Turner, Reese Halter, John Larson


gave me his number. Maybe it is an old number. 202 -- so I don`t know.
Give it a shot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice
messaging system. Lindsey Graham is not available.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Big new for Donald Trump, jumping out to the widest
lead yet on the Republican side.


SCHULTZ: Plus, one more for the road.

for president of the United States.

SCHULTZ: Later, shark weak.

BRIAN KILMEADE, FOX & FRIENDS: You would think they have a way of clearing
the waters for a competition at this level but I guess they don`t.

SCHULTZ: And under construction.

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL, (R-KY) MAJORITY LEADER: Senator Boxer have reached
an agreement this morning on a six year highway bill.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is long overdue.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching. So
I guess you could say that the Twitter world style campaign of Donald Trump
continues. I mean, it`s the mentality of the Twitter world. Hit him, hit
him back. Keep hitting. Don`t back down. Don`t apologize for anything.

Now, let me ask you a question tonight. Do you know where Bluffton, South
Carolina is? I think this is part of the attraction. He goes out I guess
into the heartland, right into the south and he`s still the same guy just
letting them have it. That is the appeal. Republican front-runner Donald
Trump is slamming his critics again and he has zero plans to apologize to
John McCain. During his speech in Bluffton, South Carolina today. Donald
says he stands by the military and our vets. And after saying he was
against the Iraq War Trump said this.


TRUMP: I`m the most militaristic person ever. I will not only do great
things for our vets. And I will take care of them. Our vets are treated
like third class citizens. I will build a military that is so strong that
we`ll never have to use it. Because they are say "We`re not messing with
that guy." And right now the military is the smallest it`s been in decades
and we need it like more than ever.


SCHULTZ: And it`s the most technologically advanced on the globe but I
guess that doesn`t matter. Now, what`s the difference between being the
most militaristic person or bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. I don`t
know. Trump also continued his criticism of Senator John McCain.


TRUMP: And this way I`m angry at McCain for two reasons. Number one, John
McCain you got to remember this. He`s totally about open borders and all
of this stuff. And when I went to Arizona he called these 15,000
unbelievable people -- unbelievable. I know crazies. I know crazies.
These were unbelievable American people. And John McCain who I supported
for president. I think I raised him over a million dollars. And he lost.
So he can lose. I don`t hold that against him. But I raised him a lot of
money. But he called these people crazies.


SCHULTZ: Now you have to admit for a national candidate to admit in front
of a crowd and all the TV cameras that he knows crazies, now that`s special
material. Isn`t it? Why does he know crazies? Republicans are continuing
to pile on for going after McCain`s war record. McCain`s best friend
Lindsey Graham was asked what he first thought after he heard Trump attack
John McCain.


GRAHAM: That he`s a jackass.


GRAHAM: That he`s bringing his name down. And he`s not helping the
process and he shouldn`t be commander in chief. If you want to be
commander in chief of the armed forces you need to understand that John
McCain and all like him, not just John, are truly American heroes.


SCHULTZ: Well, as you could imagine those comments didn`t go over very
well with the Donald. He devoted a good chunk of his speech, ad-libbing by
the way, today, to pushing back on Senator Graham.


TRUMP: I see your senator. What a stiff, what a stiff. Lindsey Graham.
By the way he`s registered zero in the polls. He`s on television all the
time. You have this guy Lindsey Graham. A total lightweight. He`s a guy
in the private sector he couldn`t get a job believe me. Could get a job.
He could do what you people did. You all retired as Helen Rich (ph), OK.
He wouldn`t be rich, he`d be pour. So they say they didn`t like the way
that, you know, I`m a little loud. I`m a little too strong. They don`t
like it.

And then I watch the city at Lindsey Graham on television today and he
calls me a jackass. He`s a jackass. Then I thought to myself about
Lindsey Graham, you know, I thought it was a very bad statement. You know
you build a fortune, you are a smart guy. You want to do something great
for the country. I`m giving up millions of dollars. But this guy calls me
a jackass this morning. And I said to myself, you know, it`s amazing. He
doesn`t seem like a very bright guy. OK? He actually, probably seems to
me not as bright, honest as Rick Perry. I think Rick Perry is probably
smarter than Lindsey Graham but what do I know.


SCHULTZ: Now, that just wasn`t enough for Trump. He decided to disclose
some personal information about the senator from South Carolina.


TRUMP: Today I got called a jackass by this guy. And then I said to
myself "Hey, didn`t this guy call me like four years ago, yes. He call me
-- three, four ago. Lindsey Graham. I didn`t know who he was. He goes
Mr. Trump, this is Senator Lindsey Graham. I wonder if it would be
possible for you to call Fox.

He wanted to know whether or not I could give him a good reference on Fox &
Friends, OK. You know, what, I`m saying what is this guy? A bigger?
He`s like begging me to help him with Fox & Friends. So I say "OK. And
I`ll mention your name." He said "Could you mention my name." I said
"Yes, I may." And he gave me his number. And I found the card. I wrote
the number down. I don`t know if it`s the right number. Let`s try it.
202 -- (inaudible) I don`t know. Maybe it`s three, four years ago. So
maybe it is an old number.


SCHULTZ: Have you ever seen a better get-back on a campaign. I mean, if
you are going to get called a name like that you might as well even the
score. That is the Twitter world campaign style mentality that I think is
attracting some folks to Donald Trump. Now we`ve learned that was actually
Lindsey Grahams phone number.

Earlier today the Ed Show producers called the number to confirm.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice
messaging system. Lindsey Graham is not available. The mailbox is full
and cannot accept any messages at this time. Goodbye.


SCHULTZ: All right, the Donald can fill the stadium. He can fill up your
voice mail too.

Earlier today Graham tweeted, probably getting a new phone, iPhone or

Now, Graham`s campaign responded today by releasing a statement saying this
in all seriousness. "The two people most excited about Donald Trump`s
candidacy are Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Because of Trump`s
bombastic and ridiculous campaign, we aren`t talking about Obama`s horrible
deal with Iran or Hillary Clinton`s plans to continue Obama`s failed
national security agenda."

The Des Moines register wrote an editorial with the head line "Trump should
pull the plug on his bloviating side show." Like it or not Americans are
buying most of what Trump is selling these days.

Earlier today NBC News spoke to some of Trump`s supporters after his event.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I thought Donald Trump was fantastic. He seems to me
to be the old candidate that addresses the issues, is not afraid to speak
his mind.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think that that talk was fabulous. It`s the first
time I`ve ever really been to hear someone talk about being president that
I could say. If he doesn`t make it for president than there is something
wrong, somewhere. Because he just told everything just like it was and
should be.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that Mr. Trump is the catalyst in this
election. He`s going to stir the pot. And a lot of them will fall away
because they can`t keep up with the catalyst.


SCHULTZ: NBC`s Katy Tur spoke to a pair of veterans about Trumps comments
on Senator John McCain.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not offended. I`m not offended at all. John
McCain is a well schooled politician and he puts his future out there. Do
we open his full service jacket? I`ve never seen his full service jacket.
You know, I`m not against John -- excuse me Senator McCain. He`s a heck of
a nice guy. And I`ve met him. But, you know, it is a political fight.

KATY TUR, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: The comments about Senator McCain, do
they offend you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No they didn`t. Because it sounded like McCain started
the process by calling a bunch of his people crazies when he was in
Arizona. And I think he was just reacting to that. And it may have not
come out quite the way it should have. But he definitely is for the
veterans and thinks highly of McCain.

TUR: Did the comments rub you the wrong way, where it offends you?


TUR: Do you not care?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I haven`t heard any comments that offended me. I like
a man that says what he has to say and says it like it is.


SCHULTZ: Trump`s front-runner status is no joking matter. The latest ABC
News Washington post poll has Trump in first place with 24 percent. Walker
the governor of Wisconsin second with 13 percent, Jeb Bush is in third with
12 percent, Huckabee in forth with 8 percent. And as Trump noted many
times today Lindsey Graham is in last place with zero percent and
apparently does all this TV.

We should point out this poll was conducted before Trump`s remarks on John
McCain. But he still has an 11 point lead. So you could come to the
conclusion that he`s got a few points to give, if you believe the polls.

Now, it is pretty clear how this all unfolded. You`ve got evolving to
this. Yesterday John McCain is trying to pit Donald Trump against
veterans. I don`t think that is going to work. A guy gets up and says
he`s the most militaristic president or candidate you could have and he`s
going to do this for the veterans. And I think if you look at Trump`s
remarks on the stage last week with Frank Luntz, it was a flippant remark.
It wasn`t said with any real passion. It was his personality coming out.
And I think people are going to figure that out. And I do not think that
Trump is going to fall in the polls because of this spat he`s got going
with John McCain. I mean, we all know this isn`t the first back and forth
John McCain`s had in his long political career.

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Do you think Trump is in it for the long haul?" Go to to cast your vote. We`ll bring you the results in the
next segment of the program.

Let me bring in Jonathan Alter, MSNBC Political Analyst and Genevieve Wood,
Senior Contributor with the Daily Signal. Now, try to tell me you have
seen something like this before. Jonathan, this is one for archives.

politics can be like sports. Fun, unpredictable sports. I don`t think
anybody should take it too seriously. To me the big takeaway for the day
is the word jackass which I think will now be applied to Donald Trump for
the rest of his life, freely by pretty much everybody except his, you know,
his 10 percent. Who are by the way these are not gaffe-sensitive voters.
They don`t care what comes out of his mouth. If they cared about gaffes or
somebody saying the wrong thing, they wouldn`t have been for him in the
first place.

SCHULTZ: Can he win the nomination?



SCHULTZ: You do not think he can?


SCHULTZ: There is no way he can.


SCHULTZ: So the Republican Party is going to be able to go through this
Genevieve and not have to take Donald Trump serious at all?

WOOD: Well, I don`t think. I mean look, they are having a deal with him
right now. And look, if I didn`t care so much about the future of the
country I`d find this really funny and entertaining. But the problem is
look at what we were -- it was very entertaining but there was very little
discussion of any issues facing the country right now by Donald Trump, by
Lindsey Graham, by any of the Republicans that are running and that is a
problem. Now, when the debate happens, we`re going the see where Trump,
how he handles real issues with other people on the stage.

SCHULTZ: Now this is -- I believe that this is a long strategy by Trump.
This is, get the attention. You got plenty of time to do policy. They
haven`t even gotten to the first debate yet.

WOOD: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: He hasn`t even given the first academic answer on anything
because he doesn`t have to. All he has to do is get the attention of the
people and get on a roll early.

ALTER: That`s on (inaudible) he doesn`t have kind of long-term plan Ed. I
mean, he doesn`t think more than five minutes ahead.

SCHULTZ: He`s ever had to give one.

WOOD: He`s totally going into something that -- I mean I feel myself. I`m
not an establishment Republican by any stretch of the imagination and a lot
of conservatives around the country don`t like the establishment. They
don`t like politicians who just go around and kind of say things. Don`t
really say where they stand. Don`t really stand up and fight. And I think
what they are buying into -- many of them don`t even know exactly what
Donald Trump stands, but they like the way he saying and the attitude he`s

SCHULTZ: Genevieve, don`t you think that Trump is smart enough and been
around the block enough to know that when he gets into a debate he`s going
to have to have some substance.

WOOD: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: That what you saw right there in Bluffton, South Carolina isn`t
going to work standing next to other candidates. And that`s where --
that`s the betting process and I think we`ll know early on.

WOOD: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: Well, Trump is a player.

WOOD: He maybe betting on the fact you got -- you have 10 people on stage
and if you divided that time up against what 90 minutes or how long the
debates going be. It sounds a lot of time for each person.

ALTER: He can memorize some fake data point and, you know, deal points to
be causing (ph).

WOOD: Well, they don`t have to be fake.


ALTER: Well, then I`m happy that step that comes out of his mount isn`t
true. And he`ll just, you know.

SCHULTZ: I mean this trade with China.

ALTER: Pretty much anything he says that even approach he`s substance is
far wide of the market of accuracy.

SCHULTZ: So these poll numbers are not to be taken seriously? Your

ALTER: Well, right now, you know, he`s in, sort of his honey moon period
with what John McCain I think rightly calls the crazies inside the
Republican Party. They`ll come down some but they won`t go down all the
way. It is not like his entire crazy base is going to evaporate. So he is
going to be a player all the way to the Republican convention. They will
have to let him speak, probably in prime time. I think he can negotiate
that for himself. He`ll get a certain number of delegates. He won`t win
the nomination and he will be an anvil around the leg of the Republican
Party all the way until November. If they are lucky he won`t run as an
independent. If he runs as an independent Hillary Clinton is the next

WOOD: I think that is the biggest issue. Because I think right now a lot
of people that are kind of giving him ups in the polls, they`re folks who
were not going to vote for him ultimately. He will not be their candidate
ultimately. But right they like the fact he`s kind of sticking it to

SCHULTZ: OK. I want both of you to comment on the fact that the national
review, characterized Bernie Sanders as a nazi. They wrote this. "There`s
a whole lot of nationalism mixed up with socialism. He is in fact leading
a national socialist movement which is a queasy and uncomfortable thing to
write about the man who is a son of a Jewish immigrant from Poland and
whose family was murdered in the holocaust." You know, when I read this I
thought, this isn`t even knowing Bernie Sanders. He may be -- I mean
there`s a little bit of National Socialism in everything we do if you want
to look at Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Because a lot of people
don`t turn it down.

WOOD: That`s why a lot of folks like me are against it.

SCHULTZ: OK. Well, I mean isn`t that overboard? Jonathan,

ALTER: To call it overboard is a real understatement. I mean look, you
know, to go to the nazi line on anybody is pretty awful. To do it on an
American Jew who has never done anything to in any way merit the comparison
is really reprehensible. And I think the national review -- owes Bernie
Sanders an apology.

SCHULTZ: I do to.

WOOD: Well, once he clear -- now the headlines had said national review
call him a nazi. That`s not what they called them. They use the term
National Socialist with the columnist. We`re not (inaudible) but, you
know, well.

ALTER: Probably he was.

WOOD: Most people don`t actually connect those two. People frankly don`t
know enough history on socialist.

ALTER: The dog.

WOOD: And National Socialism.

ALTER: A historical dog whistle.

WOOD: To know, Bernie Sanders does call himself a socialist. What I don`t
understand why, if that isn`t what you are alluding to why bring up the
Jewish roots, while bring up the holocaust?

SCHULTZ: Well, it mentioned holocaust.

WOOD: That doesn`t make sense to me.

SCHULTZ: Well, nazi who did the holocaust. I mean.

ALTER: They are going nuclear on him with the worst kind of slam language.
From a magazine by the way which has a history. William F. Buckley tried
to stop.


ALTER: But as a history of anti-Semitism in the magazine. Joseph Sobran
and others long time contributors to the national review were out and out


ALTER: Luckily he had tried to get them out of the (inaudible).

WOOD: But Jonathan, mostly I know a lot folks at national review now and
none of them that I know were anti-semitic at all.

ALTER: Well, give it -- they shouldn`t have published it.

WOOD: I don`t know why don`t want to help Bernie.

SCHULTZ: Genevieve Wood, Jonathan Alter, great to have you with us

WOOD: Thank you

SCHULTZ: Here on our program.

Remember to answer tonight`s question at We`ll have
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Coming up, The GOP sweet 16 Ohio Governor John Kasich makes his bid for the
nomination. We`ll at his record with former state Senator Nina Turner.

And later, a look at how Black Lives Matter, that movement is shaping the
conversation in the Democratic field.

Stay with us. We`re right back


SCHULTZ: And the numbers are coming in on the Ed Show. Here where we
stand on tonight`s Bing Pulse poll. Tonight question, "Do you think Trump
is in it for the long haul?" No, 30 percent. I think that`s good number
for Trump because that many folks are definitely going to be paying
attention to see if they can hang on. 70 percent say "Oh, yeah". Keep on
voting throughout the hour at

We`re coming right back.



KASICH: I have decided to run for president of the United States.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. OK. After watching all of that
stuff with Trump, are you really going pay attention to this guy? Ohio
governor John Kasich makes it sweet 16 for the Republican field. The
governor of Ohio says he`s running on big, bold ideas and an economic


KASICH: You want job creation? You balance the books. Am I right? I
will promise you that my top priority will get this country on a path to
fiscal independence, strength. And we will rebuild the economy of this
country because creating jobs is our highest moral purpose. And we will
move to get that done.


SCHULTZ: Kasich`s campaign is hitting the ground running. Doors opened at
his first town hall in Nashua, New Hampshire. In just a few minutes and
we`ll have -- he`ll four more town halls in the early primary state in the
next two days.

Kasich is late to the party and has a lot of ground to make up. The latest
ABC News Washington post poll has Kasich just a 2 percent, tied with
Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal. Kasich both (ph) say "An impressive
resume both in and out of politics."

The former Congressman and former Fox News host combines the union busting
agenda of Wisconsin Scott Walker and the media savvy of Donald Trump.

Joining me now to talk about it is former Ohio State Senator Nina Turner.
Nina, good to have you with us tonight. Well, you`ve had quite a few
battles with John Kasich. I remember measure two in Ohio which of course
was an attempt to go after the unions and of course that referral was won
by the people and since then Kasich has toned down his antiunion rhetoric.
So he comes across as the moderate Republican. Is he that? Is that how
folks in Ohio view him? And how do you view him?

NINA TURNER, (D) FMR. STATE SENATOR: Well, he does come across that way,
Ed. And especially if you put him head to head with the other 15 GOP
members on the stage nationally. He does comes off very much like a
moderate. But here in Ohio the governor is a conservative. He has said as
much about -- toned down his rhetoric since senate bill 5 in the state Ohio
2011, you were right here on the ground Ed as we fought for collective
bargaining rights for workers, the governor`s policies still do not
necessarily match up with his rhetoric.

When by talk about the cuts to education, the governor talked about
creating jobs and I agree with him we do need jobs to lift people in this
country but not just any type of jobs that allow them to be able to take
care of their families. Yet Ohio has not rebounded yet in terms of jobs
since the great recession. So still have a long, long, long, long way to
go in the great state of Ohio.


TURNER: Don`t even -- if voting rights, I mean, you name it. Are taken
away women`s access to reproductive healthcare. And Ed, as you know when I
was in legislature I voted against every single one of the governor`s
budgets primarily because it was past the budgeting. You cannot balance
the state budget on backs of local governments. And if you talk to any
Republican Mayor or Democrat in the great state of Ohio, they will talk to
you about how they have to go to the citizens of their townships and of
their cities and talk about raising taxes or putting more school levies on
the ballot.


SCHULTZ: Ed, that is not the way to go.

SCHULTZ: Nina, what about the automobile loan program which Kasich was
against and 1 in 8 jobs in Ohio is connected to the automobile industry and
the manufacturing? How does he get around that? He was against it and
it`s very clear what that loan has done for the entire industry of the big

TURNER: Yeah the governor was against that. The President was right and
thank God that the President did have the courage and the leadership to
bailout that industry. I know that Senator Sharon Brown was very
instrumental congresswoman. Both Marcia Fudge as well. But, you know,
sometimes people have short memories Ed, and we just have to remind them.
You are absolutely right. 1 in 8 jobs in the state are...


TURNER: ... attached to that industry. People have to feed their
families. There`s a ripple effect there. So we just have to remind people
about what has been done in Ohio, what is being done.


TURNER: And it is the difference between what the governor is saying and
actually what his policies are doing.

SCHULTZ: Those are the two questions for Kasich I think. Why were you
against it then? And what do you think of it now? And his experience in
front of the camera and also his experience as a public servant in office
as a governor. Does he have a leg up on the competition in anyway?

TURNER: I mean, he might, Ed. Listen, you know, I`m always going to tell
you the truth here. Democrats should not sleep on governor Kasich. He is
the governor of the most important swing state in the union. No,
Republican had ever won the White House without the great state of Ohio.
So it will be foolish for anyone to write off the governor of the state


TURNER: It`s going to be very incumbent though to make sure that we remind
voters that there is a difference between what the governor has pushed for
in some of his budget policies and what is actually happening in his

SCHULTZ: OK. Nina Turner. Always telling it like it is here on the Ed
Show. Good to have you with us.

TURNER: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Democratic candidates struggle on the topic of racial injustice.
Rapid Response panel weighs in ahead and the friends on -- Fox & Friends
are looking for a shark solution? We`ll look at where -- I can`t believe
this. I wonder how many fish are in Wrong Lake in Manitoba where I go a
lot. I`m going start counting them. The shark talk when we come back.
Stay with us.



TRUMP: Until I ran I had that little thing which I do just for fun. Fox &
Friends is so great. Brian and Steve and Elizabeth. They`re great people,
right? They`re great.


SCHULTZ: Well, Donald Trump`s friend Brian Kilmeade is very concerned
about surfers getting attacked by sharks. After this amazing scene played
out with pro surfer Mick Fanning punching a shark to avoid being attacked.
Kilmeade wondered why the waters weren`t cleared of sharks.


KILMEADE: I think the most shocking thing is after you hear about the six
attacks in North Carolina. OK, these are just swimmers. But then when you
see a champion surfer and you have three camera shooting at overhead shot,
say oh my goodness it could happen anywhere. You would think they would
have a way of clearing the waters for a competition at this level but I
guess they don`t.


SCHULTZ: OK, let`s go an expert on that. For more let bring in Dr. Reese
Halter, Conservation Biologist at the MUSE School. Dr. Halter, can you
clear the water of sharks? Is that possible?

comes to mind is Flummery (ph). First of all sharks are doctors of the
sea. They keep their prey fit by calling the weak, old and sick Ed. And
they prevent diseases from going global. We are in a 911 situation.
Because over the last 15 years, humans have successfully removed 1.5
billion sharks from the oceans. The sharks population is depleted. But if
that isn`t bad enough, we`re missing boat loads of fish. You know, Ed,
we`ve got -- if you connect all of the fishing lines in our oceans right
now, we`ve got 13 million miles of fishing lines with a couple of billion
hooks. Which mean that the oceans are empty. That is 27 return trips to
the moon and back.

SCHULTZ: OK. So is there a way that you could make sure that certain
portions of the water will not be infested with the sharks? Because that
is what`s being suggested.

HALTER: Balls. But having said that, my friends I`ve just come back from
Perth, Australia and working on Bruce the Rib, Sea shepherd Australia`s
boat with the sharks. And there are ways of on a narrow beach of using
repurchased plastic for these Shark Eco Barriers to protect swimmers on the
inside and have the sharks and the unintended consequences of dolphins and
whales and sea turtles from getting ensnared and these nets and suffocated
from hitting the guards and bouncing off.


HALTER: We can`t do this in a surfing contest.

SCHULTZ: Wouldn`t think so. All right. So why are we seeing so many
shark attacks this year? Is there something biologically happening.


SCHULTZ: That we have not experienced before?

HALTER: Yeah there is. The oceans are empty of food. They are mostly
empty of sharks but whatever few sharks are left the fish that they eat are
missing, Ed. We have overfished so hard that 9 out of 10 commercial
fisheries are in collapse. The sharks are hungry. And if that isn`t bad
enough the ocean currents are changing. So when the ocean currents change,
for instance, and whatever of the prey is left, the sharks are following
them. They are hungry.

SCHULTZ: All right. Dr. Halter, great to have with us tonight.

HALTER: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Thanks so much. You bet.

Still ahead, the Rapid Response panel on Black Lives Matter movement and
its impact on 2016 race in conversation now.

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SCHULTZ: And we are back on the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight.
Black lives matter activists took over the Netroots Nation conference in
Arizona over the weekend. Now they`re taking over conversations within the
whole progressive movement. Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and Martin
O`Malley all floundered when confronted on racial injustice questions.
Martin O`Malley issued an apology. Hillary Clinton changed up her
rhetoric. And activists slammed Bernie Sanders for not speaking up about
the death of a black woman who died in police custody. Sanders followed up
by talking about Sandra Bland`s case in his rally in Texas.

Democratic candidates are interacting with the antiracist movement on the
basis of response rather than outrage. Activists are demanding more.
Bernie Sanders` surge in the polls has not translated to popularity within
minority communities. His central focus on income inequality certainly
aligns with the priorities of many African-American voters, although
critics say economic progress will not substitute for fixing racial
injustice. For Black lives matter activists this is almost an insult.
Racial injustice and income inequality are two different dimensions of
disadvantage. To improve the picture on one isn`t always to improve the
picture on the other and that`s the conversation.

Progressives must directly engage issues of race or they will lose support
from the increasingly diverse electorate.

Joining me now on a Rapid Response panel, Nina Turner former Ohio State
Senator, also Michael Eric Dyson MSNBC Political Analyst and professor of
Georgetown University, and Joy Reid MSNBC National Correspondent.

Joy, you first. How important is it to separate the economic and social
and racial injustice that minorities in this country are faced with? It
just seems like the complexities of this conversation are so much more
complex now than they were back in 2008.


SCHULTZ: What do you make of it?

REID: Well, they`re more complex. In part though you just don`t have an
African-American candidate obviously that is there and who is expected to
taking this on directly. But I think for any of these candidates whether
or not there is an actual black candidate in the race. Separating the
racial and broader economic dimensions is a moral imperative because these
two things are very different. Even if you had the greatest jobs program
in the world, that wouldn`t stop African-Americans from getting
discriminated against in the hiring process. Even if you have the best
jobs program on earth that could change the country economically, that
wouldn`t stop African-Americans from being disproportionately killed by
police. Bernie Sanders is trying to be one note candidate. He wants to
just talk about the Elizabeth Warren issues. But, you know, what, the
Democratic Party and the country is more complicated than that. And if he
can`t address these other issue he is not going to be able to win.

SCHULTZ: OK. Dr. Dyson, what about that? Is Bernie Sanders two narrowly
focused? I mean, you can`t fault the guy. There is not many -- there`s
much diversity in the state of Vermont where he`s been constituents and
where he`s been representing people for decades. I mean, so what does he

himself. He listens to Joy Reed. That would be great. The reality is
this Ed. We`re not faulting Bernie Sanders at all, who`s a lovely human
being and a wonderful man who`s got a great economic package. The question
is, are you willing to be a real candidate of the people, all the people.
When Joe Louis was a fighter in America and he fought against Max Schmeling
the man who was representative of the nazi way of life and he was
representative of the American way of life.

When they were done with their careers, Max Schmeling was a
multimillionaire in America with the Coca-Cola Company as the vice
president and Joe Louis was poor. Racial justice is not simply about
bringing economic parity. All though we all understand this, when Joe
Louis`s kids were discriminated against -- they weren`t exempt because they
were rich.

So people who deal with economic origins of suppression and oppression you
have to understand.

SCHULTZ: But Dr. Dyson.

DYSON: The race has its own integrity.

SCHULTZ: OK. If race has its own integrity. But Dr. Dyson, everybody`s
life changes when they have a job.

DYSON: Right.

SCHULTZ: Across the board. The opportunities for families are far
different when there is economic stability.

DYSON: Absolutely right.

SCHULTZ: The environment is totally different. So Bernie Sanders, I mean
when Ferguson was afire he was saying it is a jobs issue. Isn`t that the
basis of it? I mean, you may not like me.

DYSON: Ferguson is not (inaudible).

SCHULTZ: I may not like you although we`ve be love each other and be
brother and everything.

DYSON: Right.

SCHULTZ: But the fact of the matter is not all people are going to embrace
one another. But if they have an equal playing field when it comes to
opportunity isn`t that a great place to start.

DYSON: But opportunities are dolled out predicated upon race. Look, you
can -- every study have said people don`t get jobs based upon
qualification, they get jobs base upon intimate networks of the
association. Who you know. Hey Bob, my son graduated Tuesday. Good, send
him here Wednesday he`ll have a job. That`s racial coordinated.


DYSON: If the market were blind and it didn`t care about people`s race I
would be 100 percent with you Ed. But like the old story in Harlem. When
the revolutionary communists went to the black men Harlem and said "Look,
you deciding with us because we`re about economic parity and not with these
capitalized. You know, what he asked him? Are you still going to be white
after? If that`s the case.

SCHULTZ: All right.

DYSON: The percentage over ratio.

REID: And if I can say basically.

DYSON: Oppression is there.

REID: Sandra Bland in Texas was on her way to get a job. And the fact
that she was on her way being gainfully employed back alma mater (ph), in
Texas did not stop her from winding up dead. There are issues of the
police brutality.

SCHULTZ: Oh, sure.

REID: Their issue discrimination and if Bernie Sanders can`t address those
he`s going to have a big problem (inaudible).

SCHULTZ: Well, I think he has addressed it. I think all of the candidates
have addressed it. They`re talking about police changes and tactics and
all kinds of things. I think something is not being heard here. Nina
Turner. You were at the Netroots Nation.


SCHULTZ: What was this all about? I mean, you know, when you take a look
at this Black lives movement that is taking place. What did they need to
hear from Democratic candidates? What would they expected.

TURNER: I was definitely there. And it was palpable the energy in that
room. And I think both Governor O`Malley and Senator Sanders were just
tone deaf to what was going on. They were not able to readjust what they
had originally come out on stage to say. And that being said I do agree
with Dr. Dyson on the fact that yes, Senator Sanders is great. People like
Senator Sanders and what he`s talking about. But you have to be able to go
deeper. And what the Black lives matter young adults were talking about.
If here what we are saying "Say the name of Sandra Bland. Talk about
Tanisha Anderson from Cleveland, recognize that just because we do need
jobs. We need equality across the spectrum.

And Ed If we look at the wealth gap in this country, just one example to
confirm what my wonder twin had to say. $130,000 in 2013 for most white
families in terms of accumulated wealth. For African-American families
about 11,000. And for our Hispanic brothers and sisters is about 13,000.


TURNER: So there is a gap here that is deep and that is wide. And really
what African-American community is asking for is for the candidates to dig
a little deeper. It would have been better ...


TURNER: ... if both candidates had come down off that stage to say
"Listen, I hear exactly what your saying. I`m never walk in your shoes
because I am a white man. But let me tell you I am running this race
because black lives matter, black education matters, black communities
matter and it`s just this what is happening in the justice system today..
They did not say that Ed. They kind of ignored what was going on in the
room. And what was most powerful is it was black women leading that charge
in Netroots.

SCHULTZ: All right.

REID: And if I can just say Ed. I think to add to what my wonder twin
just said. I`m sorry I might exactly we want to triple it if you want to
add to the mix. But I think partly is the staffing issue too. I did ask
on Twitter the question how diversity are the staffs? Because sometimes it
is a preparation of the candidate. I think a candidate in 2015 going to
2016 who`s not prepared to deal with the Black lives matter movement might
also have some issues with their staff and not preparing them. There`s a
group called inclusive.


REID: That just releases the staff diversity numbers. You`re talking
about two campaigns with the O`Malley campaign and the Sanders campaign and
if 90 percent white staffs. The Hillary campaign is about maybe 30 percent
minority staff. Maybe they just need to look at the diversity of their

SCHULTZ: All right. Nina Turner.

DYSON: And we only about economic.

SCHULTZ: Oh, Michael Eric Dyson.

DYSON: Barack Obama we will accept it.

SCHULTZ: We could do another hour on this. Well, I got to run, great to
have all of you. Thanks so much.

Still ahead Mitch McConnell puts infrastructure on a highway to help. But
his colleagues are setting up roadblocks. Congressman John Larson and the
long road to a solution on the highway bill ahead. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Here are the results of tonight`s Bing Pulse poll. Tonight`s
question, "Do you think Trump is in it for the long haul?" 69 percent of
you say "Yes." Keep on voting until the end of the hour at

We`re right back.


SCHULTZ: Up next on the Ed Show, the highway bill hits a roadblock.
Connecticut Congressman John Larson joins me to discuss what`s next for our
nation`s highways.

Stay tuned


SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, Senate Leader Mitch McConnell wants to take
infrastructure off the table for 2016. Some members of his own party are
building road blocks. In the last hour a multi-year highway bill failed
the first procedural vote in the Senate. Democrats oppose launching floor
debate with a 41-56 vote saying that they didn`t have a chance to read the
bill. The 1030-page plan was released less than two hours before the vote.
Barbara Boxer of California has been leading the negotiations for the


SEN. BARBARA BOXER, (D) CALIFORNIA: I believe it is a breakthrough. The
highway trust fund goes bust in 10 days, and this is what`s happening
across the country. Unreal that in my state we would have this bridge
collapse, I say to my friends. Now we can`t get -- Congress can`t move
between California and Arizona because we`ve had this collapse on
Interstate 10. And how strange this would be that this would -- thank God
no one lost their life in this. But this bridge was rated structurally
obsolete. So we knew it couldn`t bear all the traffic. It`s a huge amount
of traffic. So this is my poster child for why I`m working so hard on


SCHULTZ: Last week the House passed an $8 billion bill to keep
transportation programs going until December 18th. Mitch McConnell said he
wants to pass the bill keeping those programs going through the
presidential election. Several Republican presidential hopefuls are
getting in his way. Ted Cruz has floated the idea of blocking the highway
measure if a reauthorization of the export/import bank gets tracked on --
gets tacked on, should I say.

Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky said that he will push to defund Planned
Parenthood if any legislation hits the senate this week. Congress needs to
do something. Our roadways and bridges are crumbling. Senator Boxer
referenced the 48-year-old bridge which collapsed during heavy rain in
California on Sunday. Weak roadways could lead to more tragedies like the
deadly 2007 bridge collapse on Interstate 35W in downtown Minneapolis.

The R.T. Rybak the former mayor of Minneapolis told me his perspective on
the lack of investment in infrastructure.


R.T. RYBAK, FMR. MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR: Every political leader and both
parties came here and gave us a very comforting assurance that they would
do what it takes to make sure this never happened again, that we would
actually take care of infrastructure in this country. So we were really
blessed then and frankly to hear that we`re still in this debate is very
incredibly disheartening.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight is Congressman John Larson he`s the House
Democratic Caucus chair. Congressman, good to have you with us.

REP. JOHN LARSON, (D) CONNECTICUT: Good to be with you Ed, always.

SCHULTZ: You bet. This $8 billion package that passed the House, does
that do it -- I mean, till December or does that just kick the can down the

LARSON: Ed, I think it`s emblematic of the frustration you just heard from
the mayor. And that`s once again that we kicked the can down the road when
so many people, especially the construction industry and a lot of our trade
associations, are all dependent upon the certainty of this work and all
they get from Congress is to continue to kick the can down the road.

Listen, we have Bill Shuster the chairman, Republican chairman of
transportation up to our district yesterday. I applaud him. He gets it.
And he said, and I think this is true. Look, infrastructure is neither
Democrat or Republican. This is about America.

SCHULTZ: Well, it seems like it`s a big political football now,
Congressman. Because is McConnell trying to control how this goes to help
Senate Republicans in swing states?

LARSON: I believe that that is true, Ed. I also believe that what they`re
aiming for here is to move this, as you saw, the legislation that was
passed in the house expires in December. They were trying to get a longer
term deal in the Senate. What that bodes for is a conference, I believe,
in that conference, which you`re going to see come the end of this year is
a major omnibus bill because that`s the only way things have passed here in
the United States Congress, much to the chagrin of the public and my own,
but in 17 years here Ed, we either do a continuing resolution or an omnibus
bill. And it looks like we`re headed toward an omnibus bill for exactly
the political reasons that you raise. Let`s hope that good policy becomes
part of good politics.


LARSON: It should when it comes to the infrastructure, but that hasn`t
been the case thus far.

SCHULTZ: So, Congressman, I guess what I`m hearing you say is that it`s
going to take some real political power in Washington for us to make a real
concerted effort and commitment to rebuilding our infrastructure in this
country. That`s what I`m hearing.

LARSON: Yes, that`s right. And what`s intuitively obvious to every
American -- we were at chairman Shuster at Augie & Ray`s in East Hartford.
Everybody at Augie & Ray`s knows that this jobs bill for this country is
the infrastructure bill. That`s what going to move the country, that`s
what moves our commerce and that`s what puts people back to work. You know
that better than anybody, Ed. And that`s what`s going to be required here.
But Congress has got to come together, put the politics aside and make sure
that, if not now, that clearly, in November or December, that we have a


LARSON: ... infrastructure plan for the nation.

SCHULTZ: I mean, this affects everybody`s backyard. I don`t see either...

LARSON: It does.

SCHULTZ: ... Republicans can`t view this as a political winner. It`s

LARSON: I agree. And that`s why I think they`ll do it.

SCHULTZ: Congressman John Larson. Always, great to have you with us
tonight sir. Thank you.

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.

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