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Date: July 27, 2015
Guest: John Nichols, Genevieve Wood, John Garamendi, Katrina Vanden
Heuvel, Jane Kleeb


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Polls just want to show Scott Walker in the lead.

place. Finally I can attack. Wisconsin is doing terrible.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just when you thought the campaign rhetoric has
couldn`t get any more raw along comes a new remark from a Republican
presidential hopeful.

MIKE HUCKABEE, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He`s so naive he would trust
the Iranians and he would take the Israelis and basically march them to the
door of the oven.


ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks
for watching. Brand new polling numbers are out. You know American
dislike almost every single presidential candidate.

There is one exception, Senator Bernie Sanders. A new NBC News Marist poll
out today shows Sanders is the only candidate with a positive favorability
rating in the state of New Hampshire, that`s right Sanders`s also the only
candidate with a positive favorable rating in Iowa. Hillary Clinton has a
net favorability of negative 19, Donald Trump is at negative 28.

Meanwhile, some politicians and inside the beltway media folk, well, they
just don`t have faith in Bernie Sanders. We`ve been hearing it for months.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is why Bernie Sanders, it will not be the
Democratic nominee, not enough strength with minority voters Hillary
Clinton still has that. He is consigned to have a lot of difficulties
because he has so little support among African-American and Hispanics.

STEVE RATTNER, FORMER TREASURY OFFICIAL: And the broader point of course
is about Bernie Sanders while also will not become president just like
Donald Trump will not become the president. He does strike a cord not just
with Democrats with many America who`re left behind.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They say the same about Bernie Sanders passionate
powers can never win the nomination.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think Bernie is too liberal to gather enough votes
in this country to become president and I think Hillary Clinton is going to
be a fantastic president.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is not remotely electable (ph). And this is the
problem -- I guess the question is, do the Democrats really want to do to
ourselves what the Republican to themselves with Mitt Romney.


SCHULTZ: Bernie Sanders has had upward momentum since the day he jumped
into the race but of course all the experts are disregarding that. The guy
is drawing huge crowds all over the country no matter where he goes, just
an indication that I guess he`s on the roll. Sanders is climbing in the
polls, nobody else is like Bernie.

In New Hampshire, Sanders is only 10 points behind Hillary Clinton. Since
February the senator from Vermont has picked up 19 points. Hillary Clinton
has lost 27. In Iowa Hillary Clinton is up on Sanders by 24 points
although since February Sanders is gain 18 points, Clinton has lost 19
points in Iowa.

And there`s a new CNN poll out today showing more good news for the senator
from Vermont. Bernie Sanders that show that Sanders is beating Jeb Bush,
Donald Trump and Scott Walker head to head in a general election match up
among all Americans. You mean a socialist is ahead of some Republicans.
We should also point out that Clinton beats all three of those Republicans
by wider margins.

But whoever thought Bernie was going to get this far. No one in the
mainstream media expected Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump for that matter to
be doing this well. But there is clearly no comparison between the two.
Sanders is doing well because he`s strong issue candidate and has a
populist position on issues that effect American families and Americans
workers and he`s got a record of talking about it for decades.

Trump appeal is this. He didn`t known by anybody. And he`s going to give
unvarnished opinion on anything and he`s been just giving us this
entertainment flavor in politics that we haven`t seen in politics in a long
time. What`s refreshing about Bernie Sanders is that earning these numbers
by what? Not bashing Hillary Clinton. He`s talking about the issues and
he`s not running T.V. ads because he can`t afford him.

Believe or not we have got a positive candidate on the national scene. I
would like to see all the other shows across the cable spectrum on all
networks. Try to find some negative comments from Bernie Sanders. He
points out the differences he has with other candidates but he doesn`t rip
him a new one. And I think that`s interesting.

On the other hand we`re getting all the entertainment value from Donald
Trump. We got more in that coming up later on the show.

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Is Bernie Sanders being underestimated?" Go to to cast your vote. We`ll bring the results later on in
the program.

For more let me bring in John Nichols Washington Correspondent of The
Nation magazine, Genevieve Wood Senior Contributor of the Daily Signal and
Jonathan Alter MSNBC Political Analyst, great to have all of you with us

John, you first, you have -- you`ve been to a number of Bernie Sanders
events. In fact you introduce Bernie in Madison in front of some 10,000
people. Does the beltway media, are they not understanding the Sanders
appeal and surge. Break it down, what`s happening here?

JOHN NICHOLS, THE NATION: Well, of course they don`t understand it. And
to be honest, I don`t think I expect it to be quite as dramatic as it has
been. You know, when I introduce the senator in Madison, I said to folk`s
upfront look, I`m not here to endorse him, I`m not here to tell people how
to vote. But I am here to talk a little bit about why this moment matters.

And the key thing that I try to drive home to people that I continue to
drive home to people is that this has very little to do with Bernie Sanders
and a great deal to do with the movements that have developed since 2008 in
this country. We have $15 wage movement, we have a passionate movement to
overturn Citizen United. We have really passionate movements to say that
we`ve got to hold these two big to fail banks to account.

This is real stuff and there are millions of Americans who`ve tuned into
this issues over the last five or six years. And they want to hear
somebody talk about it. Bernie Sanders is talking about it. I`ll give
credit to Martin O`Malley. He started to get very serious talking about
this. But this is where it`s at and the reality is that this campaign is
going to come down to these issues not just in the Democratic primaries but
also as you head toward 2016 in November.

SCHULTZ: Jonathan Alter, does Sanders have room to grow? Is this going to
stall -- it seems like the closer people look, the more they like what they
see. I maybe wrong on that. But that`s what the numbers show. What do
you think?

JONATHAN ALTER, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: No, I think he does have a room
to grow. Look, if he wins Iowa and New Hampshire and New Hampshire is
right next to his home state of Vermont. He is a big factor in this race.
Hillary Clinton will and all likelihood still beat him, you know, the big
state primaries and go on the win the nomination. But he could be a big
factor and I think -- what questionably will push the center of gravity and
the Democratic Party to the left. You can already see it in the economic
speeches that Hillary Clinton has made. She hasn`t come out for $15 an
hour a minimum wage yet, but she`s going to be under intense pressure over
the course to the next year to do so. And watching her respond to that
pressure will be a major theme of the next year.


ALTER: And it also you cannot rule out. I think the categorical
statements right now that under no circumstances can Bernie Sanders win the
nomination or the election now have to be removed. It still extremely
unlikely but there is a path conceivable to his winning under the
Democratic Party could in this election you nominate a very left-wing
candidate the way the Republican did with Barry Goldwater in 1964.


ALTER: It could happen. Then if you get into a three way race with Trump,
Scott Walker and Bernie Sanders, I know some people are going to think this
is nuts. But it is not entirely 100 percent impossible that Bernie Sanders
can be the next president.

SCHULTZ: Oh, I think it`s very possible he could be the next president. I
think it`s very possible he can win the nomination. And I -- to take
somewhat of an issue or may I point out, all of the positions that Bernie
Sanders has taken are populist positions. I mean.

ALTER: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: The majority of the country, you know, I mean so, when you say
that he`s going to be moving the Democrats to the left. Aren`t we as
center left country? I mean if you look -- you`re polling well when it
comes to minimum wage, collective bargaining, do something about Wall
Streets, Citizen United. These all poll in the majority so how is that
moving the country to the left Jonathan?

ALTER: No, it`s moving the debate within the Democratic Party to left so
that it is more in sync with where the ranking file of the Democratic Party
are as you quite rightly say. The problem is this. The Republican Party
at the state and local level has never been in better shape. Since the
1920s why is that? Is because this Democratic majority that we`re talking
about on all these issues they don`t show up in midterm elections. They
have to show up in those midterms and they have to show up in greater
numbers even in the general presidential election especially for those down
ballot races, get involve in those races otherwise.


ALTER: That gap will continue to exist between (ph) what the polls show
and what are politics are reflecting.

SCHULTZ: Genevieve, when are the Republican going to realize that the
Trump headache isn`t going to go away with a couple aspirin (ph). I mean.


SCHULTZ: When they`re going to realize that, you know, Donald Trump isn`t
running T.V. ads right now because he doesn`t want to.

WOOD: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: He doesn`t have to. I man, this guy when do we call him a force
that the Republican have got to deal with?

WOOD: Well, I think a lot of Republican would tell you he does have to
deal with that. I don`t see a lot of people walking around and they may
say "Yeah, he`s not going to get it in a long run this will eventually
peter out." But I think most Republicans at the senior party type level
are concern about Donald Trump. Their concern mainly because not this is
poll numbers but the fact that he`s attacking so many others that are
running along side him under Republican ticket.


WOOD: I think that`s the biggest problem with Donald Trump right. It`s
not a 20 percent in New Hampshire whatever the numbers as up today. I
think it`s more that he`s making such disparaging remarks about his fellow
GOP candidates.

SCHULTZ: Well, that`s competition. I mean he`s trying to win this thing.
I mean, he`s pointing out.

WOOD: Yeah, but as you rightly pointed out Bernie Sanders is doing pretty
well without having to attack Hillary in every turn. But that because I
think Bernie Sanders actually has policies.

ALTER: Right.


WOOD: That he really believes to anyone (inaudible) along.

NICHOLS: That`s right.

WOOD: And he`d rather talk about that.

SCHULTZ: OK. I agree with that but it`s also Bernie Sanders, it`s in his
DNA. He`s never run a negative ad in his entire career. This is who the
guy is. Trump of course is an attacker. And he didn`t care who is going
to after.

Let me ask you about the debate Genevieve. Is there going to be or do you
foresee some type of a Republican strategy to discredit Trump in the first
debate, to draw him out on issues. Because I would seems to me that all of
those candidates have been attacked by him in one way or another. I would
seem to me that they would go right after Trump and try to get him where
he`s vulnerable and do it early. What about that?

WOOD: Well, I think that`s probably going to be the strategy of being the
candidates, but the tough thing is going to be here as you well know. And
this is not a five hour debate where it`s 90 minutes you going to have 10
people on stage so at best people are going to have two minute responses,
one minute responses. There`s not going to be a lot of time. So that`s
going to be the thought thing is that Trump frankly won`t have to have a
lot of specifics because he`s not going to give a 10 minutes speech or a 20
minute re-battle on anything. He`s going to have to talk in 60 seconds
sound bites which he`s very as we all know good in doing.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. John Nichols, Bernie Sanders has not address Hillary
Clintons unfavorable numbers, the trustworthy number. Is he going to do
that? Or is that just not going to be part of the campaign.

NICHOLS: I don`t think it`s going to be a part of the campaign Ed. I
interview Bernie Sanders and I ask him specifically. What I said was look,
there`s a lot of people who say you can`t get to that sort next level in
the campaign unless you attack Hillary Clinton. And he very bluntly said
back "I`m not going to do that."

And I think that is an important thing to understand. You said "It`s in
the guy`s DNA." What I would say also is that many of the people who
underestimate Bernie Sanders don`t recognize that this guy has run this
style of campaign in the state of Vermont for a long time and at first he
didn`t succeeded, took him time but over time he convince a lot of people
including people...


NICHOLS: ... who aren`t liberals that this works to be on issues works
better than to attack.

SCHULTZ: Jonathan Alter, can a guy win the nomination not running a
negative ad? I mean, is that possible in American politics?

ALTER: Sure. I mean, it`s refreshing for a lot people especially when you
see the example as Genevieve have point out of Donald Trump. You know,
every time Donald Trump attacks another Republican it makes Bernie Sanders
look better.


ALTER: By being above the fray and focus on the issues. And, you know,
it`s not like people are going to think "Oh, he`s running attack ads so
he`s tough minded guy," because he`s sounding very tough on the issues not
on the personalities. And that`s extremely appealing not just a lot of
Democrats but to voters in general.

SCHULTZ: All right.

WOOD: Yeah. Can I just make one point there on that Ed? I actually did a
conservative talk radio show in New Orleans today and a couple of people
call them who went to go see Bernie Sanders when he was in Louisiana. And
they found some refreshing and these were conservative Republican voters
who just were surprise. I think part of it is, you know, a lot of the
country has not known of Bernie Sanders.

SCHULTZ: Yeah, I know.

WOOD: I think he`s a well known guy inside the beltway. But outside not
so well and I think people do kind of find it refreshing which I think also
speaks to people are just tired to same old, same old regardless whether
you`re Republican or Democrats and that`s one reason. Hillary is not doing
well. And I think its one reason unfortunately in some cases that Donald
Trump is doing so well.

SCHULTZ: The candidate Sanders. Bernie told me a few weeks ago that he
was not going to give up on the South. He thinks that the Democrats can
make some real inroads down there and he`s going to work it. We shall see.

ALTER: The history of populism down there Ed.


WOOD: Yeah.

ALTER: The South was home of populism originally.

SCHULTZ: Absolutely. Great discussion. I appreciate your time. Jonathan
Alter, John Nichols, Genevieve Wood. Appreciate it. Thanks for being with
us with us tonight.

Remember to answers tonight`s question at We`ll have
the results after the break. Follow us on Facebook, like us on Facebook,
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Donald Trump, what? He blast he`s old buddy Scott Walker. Come on Donald
were where you when we needed you in the recall? We`ll fact-check he`s
claims next.

And Mike Huckabee uses the Holocaust to undercut the Iranian nuclear deal.
Rapid Response panel got a lot to say about that.

We`re coming right back.


SCHULTZ: And the numbers are rolling in. Here`s we stand on tonight`s
Bing Pulse poll. We want you to be part of it. The question, "Is Bernie
Sanders being underestimated?" 80 percent of you, yes. Keep on voting
through the hour at

We`re coming right back.


SCHULTZ: And we are back on the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight.
Well, new numbers are out in Iowa and Donald Trump is slipping a little
bit. The NBC News Marist poll has Scott Walker up on Donald Trump by 2
points in Hawkeyes State. The Donald isn`t so happy. He`s reminding
American of Scott Walker`s record.


TRUMP: A guy like Walker who frankly is state is having tremendous
difficulty. I love Wisconsin it`s a great place. But, you know, he`s
putting debt up to the gills. The school system is a disaster because they
don`t have any money.

I mean, you know, Walker`s state, Wisconsin, is a catastrophe from an
economic and a financial standpoint. I think he`s number 36 or 38 overall
in terms of the country for economic growth. And the jobs, his jobs
projections were way, way off, I mean, beyond.


TRUMP: They have budget deficits. He was going to have a lot of big
surplus. Well, they have got a $2.2 billion deficit.


SCHULTZ: Donald Trump is actually correct on Scott Walker`s record. Let`s
take a look. Walkers record on education simply horrible. He`s cut public
school funding in the past. He`s new budget provides less funding to a
majority of school district in the state this year. It also includes $250
million in cuts to state universities.

Back in 2010, Walker promised 250,000 private sector jobs within 10 years
roughly 129,000 jobs were created. Walker fell well short of his promise.
By the way that was a four year promise that he made, not 10.

Finally, Walker`s administration projected a billion dollar budget surplus
by 2015. That ain`t going to happen. It turns out the state has posted a
2 billion -- $2.2 billion deficit. And that`s what Trump is talking about.

Now, I`m glad to see Trump is doing his homework on Scott Walker`s job
performance. Just a little bit ago within the hour, Scott Walker responded
to Donald Trump`s record -- on attacking his record.


speak for himself. I`m not going to go after other candidate. I`m going
to talk about what I`m for. People look at my record. We had a $3.6
billion budget deficit we inherited. So we turned it around, income tax by
$2 billion.

Property tax is/are lowered today and we too off this a rainy day fund to
165 times bigger, we took off this pension the only one fully fund the
country, our schools are better, hospitals are better, our state is better.
And if you look at the fact let say, you can do all that on blue state, we
can definitely do it for America.


SCHULTZ: Schools are better, hospitals are better, it`s all great.

For more, let me bring John Nichols, Washington correspondent of The Nation
and also with us Genevieve Wood, Senior Contributor to the Daily Signal.

All right, who`s telling the truth there? John Nichols you`re a long time
Wisconsin journalist here. What -- is what Trump saying true? Is what
walking is saying, is it true? Break it down for us.

NICHOLS: Ed, I never thought I`d be on television betting Donald Trump and
saying that he`s essentially right. But the fact to the matter is that,
you know, while Trump maybe a percentage point up here or there, the basic
reality of what he`s saying is true.

The state of Wisconsin which historically has had very, very vibrant
schools, very, very vibrant public services has take a lot of hits in those
areas. And despite Scott Walker`s promises that all of the cuts, all of
the assaults, unorganized labors especially on public employees would
somehow magically make Wisconsin a boom state, Wisconsin trails far behind
neighboring states including Minnesota which took a different course.

And the final thing I would point out here Ed is that many of the
criticisms of Scott Walker are not coming from liberal Democrats. There
are newspapers in Wisconsin that endorsed him for Governor back in 2010
that now refer to him as divisive and point out that the many, many flaws
in his budgets.

And during his recent budget fight there were 11 or 12 Republicans who
voted against Scott Walker`s budget. And many of them were saying they
just that did not see it as physically (ph) sound or they did not see it as
answering the challenges of a state.
SCHULTZ: Yeah. Well, we all know that Trump supported Scott Walker when
the recall took place and also supported him as well when he was running
for reelection. So, who`s right and who`s wrong? Genevieve, will Trump do
some serious damage to the candidate in a long run? What do you think?

WOOD: Well, maybe some of those will come out. Some of those truth will
come out in the debate. Look, I mean I love that Donald Trump`s idea of
poor schools as a fact we`re not spending enough money. He`s going to be
conservative. He ought to know that`s something what you measure schools.
As a matter of fact, under Scott Walker a high school graduates --
graduation rates have gone up in Wisconsin.

Last time I checked there, the ACT scores, the college entrance exam,
Wisconsin is number two in the country. So, it`s not about how much you
spend, it`s about what the results are. That`s what we ought to be

Just last month and I happen to look at this number, the manufacturing jobs
in Wisconsin up by a 150,000. That`s pretty good especially when that`s
one of those topics people want to talk about.

SCHULTZ: Well, I got to -- Genevieve.

WOOD: There`s a lot of numbers, but I think.

SCHULTZ: Genevieve, where did you get that number?

WOOD: .Donald Trump is using.

SCHULTZ: Wait a minute. Where did you get that number of a 150,000 jobs in

WOOD: Federal statistics. Look at the federal estimates on that.

SCHULTZ: Federal Statistics from where?

WOOD: And by state, by the federal government. Look by state. And so.

SCHULTZ: So, if I -- so, if I go to the federal government, they`re going
to tell me that under Scott Walker there`s been a 150,000 jobs
manufacturing jobs.

WOOD: If you look at the jobs in the last month, in the last month. This
is where the number is.


WOOD: So, we`re not talking about two years ago, we`re not talking about a
month ago, we`re talking about the month that we`re -- this very past
month. So my point being though.

SCHULTZ: But you`re leaving the impression.

WOOD: I think Donald Trump is using.

SCHULTZ: Wait a minute, wait a second now. Hold on, you`re leaving the
impression that on Scott Walker`s watch in Wisconsin.

WOOD: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: That he is better in the state by 150,000 manufacturing jobs.
And not only to be -- that`s simply not true from the number -- from who.

WOOD: Ed what number do you -- what number do you had to disparage that?
Look, they lost a lot of jobs in the 2008 (inaudible) Wisconsin was one of
the biggest.

SCHULTZ: The alliance for American manufacturing will tell you that simply
is not true. The steel industry will tell you, that`s simply not true.

WOOD: I`ll be happy to -- I`ll be happy to send you the numbers.


WOOD: . to you, this show is over.

SCHULTZ: OK. All right, well we`re again.

WOOD: Because you`re going to use talking point.

SCHULTZ: . not to be disrespectful.

WOOD: . you and Donald -- you and Donald Trump can use.

SCHULTZ: .not to be disrespectful where did you get your numbers?

WOOD: I just told you federal estimates and I`ll be happy to send you the
number after the show.

SCHULTZ: OK, all right.

WOOD: I don`t have the link right here with me. But the fact is.

SCHULTZ: All right, there`s a federal thing out there that says Wisconsin
is better off with manufacturing. All right, John, just a minute, your
thoughts on this.

WOOD: Well, OK. Yeah, you`re going to take -- you`re going to take a
lobbyist group`s number over the federal estimate is OK.

NICHOLS: If I can try and sort this out a little bit, the independent fact
checking in operation, PolitiFact recently ran the most recent numbers and
they looked at the question of whether Scott Walker had kept his promise to
in his first term create 250,000 jobs.

What PolitiFact found was that he had not. And in fact that he had fallen
dramatically short of that, just a little over half of what he had promise.

Now, the fact to the matter is that everyone in Wisconsin including Scott
Walker accepts that he has failed to meet his own promises, his own
commitments which he reiterated repeatedly on job creation.

SCHULTZ: All right, Genevieve Wood.

WOOD: Let me (inaudible) he`s fact. Let`s look at where the numbers are.
And just because somebody keep an exact political promise, the economy is
better today than when you`re elected, I think that`s what most people vote
on and that`s why people in Wisconsin have elected him three times.

SCHULTZ: OK. You`re saying that the economy in Wisconsin is better today.
That`s what you`re saying?

WOOD: That was when he came in to office. Yes.



SCHULTZ: Well, let`s see that. Yeah, it`s better everywhere when he came
into office when the great recession was going on. Genevieve Wood, John
Nichols, great to have with you us. Appreciate your time tonight. The
numbers are and the numbers and I will follow up on those manufacturing
numbers. That`s dandy, 150,000 manufacturing jobs in Wisconsin? OK.

Coming up, Hillary Clinton`s climate change agenda ignores one of the
greatest threats to our environment. How could she not take a stand on
Keystone? And a very sad story lost at sea, the latest on two teens who
went missing off the coast of Florida.

Stay with us, we`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight. The
search for two teens who went missing off the coast of Florida is expanding
tonight. Austin Stephanos and Perry Cohen haven`t been seen since Friday.

On Sunday, the coast guard found the teen`s 19 foot boat about 66 miles
from where they were last seen. Perry Cohen`s stepfather addressed the
media earlier today.


NICK KORNILOFF: These kids were raised on the water. If you don`t live in
Florida you don`t understand our children are raised here, as I said
before, both families very experienced on the water for generations. And
we`ve thought our children all the right things.


SCHULTZ: Coast guard officials explained how the search area is moving
further north.


up the coast into Jacksonville, we have extended that search area. And
currently we have searched the area the size of state of Indiana.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight is MSNBC`s Adam Reiss live from Jupiter,
Florida. Adam, what`s the latest on this search?

ADAM REISS, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: Ed, good evening. The coast guard is
using multiple assets in this search and rescue operation on the water and
in the air covering an area of 27,000 square miles, 32 searches in the last
three days covering an area about the size of the state of West Virginia.

Now, NBC`s Kerry Sanders sat down with both families this afternoon.
Here`s what they had to say.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For us right now, we believe the boys are still out
there. We want to keep the concentration and the folks they`ll only focus
in bringing those boys back home and that`s critical, that`s critical for


REISS: Now the boys were last seen Friday morning gassing up the boat.
They had a lot of experience on the water, on the in light, on the inner
coast, still their parent said they were experienced sailors who knew the
water, they were comfortable in the water just like they were comfortable
on the land.

So what happened? Did they have engine failure? Did they run out of gas?
There was serious weather issues, very serious weather issues. Friday
afternoon the coast guard issued a warning, so it`s really not clear what
happened but the search goes on, Ed.

SCHULTZ: The family is offering a $100,000 reward, but officials are
asking people not to interfere with the official search and rescue. What
is the feeling about that in the community tonight?

REISS: Well, they don`t want a lot of pleasure boats going out on the
water searching for these two boys. They want to keep this search very
organized. The coast guard is going on a grid search pattern. They have
aircraft. They have boats on the water. They want to make sure this is
done the right way so they can hopefully find these boys alive. Ed.

SCHULTZ: Adam Reiss reporting tonight from Jupiter, Florida. Great to
have you with us, thanks so much.

Still to come on the Ed Show more reaction to Mike Huckabee`s attempt to
become relevant in the 2016 race. We`ll have the details coming up. Stay
with us.

Market Wrap.

Stock begin the leak with declined after a sell off in China, the DOW fall
in more than 127 points, the S&P of 12, the NASDAQ sinks by 48 points.

A Republic airway which operates flight for the three major carriers says a
pilot shortage and labor dispute will hurt operations and profit. Shares
lost more than half of their value today.

And orders for long lasting durable goods jumped to 3.4 percent last month.
Aircraft orders accounted for much of the game.

That`s it from CNBC, where first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Former Arkansas Governor Mike
Huckabee appears to be struggling for attention. On Bright Radio he
invoked the Holocaust to slam President Obama`s Iran deal.


HUCKABEE: This President`s foreign policy is the most feckless in American
history. He`s so naive. He would trust the Iranians, and he would take
the Israelis and basically march them to the door of the oven.

This is the most hideous thing. This Iran deal should be rejected by both
Democrats and Republicans and Congress and by the American people.


SCHULTZ: The Anti-Defamation League blasted Huckabee for the Holocaust
comparison. The group has been critical of the Iranian agreement. They
called Huckabee`s comment, "Out of line and unacceptable."

Huckabee stands by his remarks and his campaigning on it. President Obama
responded during his visit to Ethiopia.


particular comments of Mr. Huckabee are I think part of just a general
pattern that we`ve seen that is -- would be considered ridiculous If it
weren`t so sad.


SCHULTZ: And Huckabee doubled down. He went on to say, "What`s ridiculous
and sad is that the President does not take Iran`s threats seriously. The
stakes are too high for irresponsible rhetoric."

Joining me tonight on the Rapid Response panel, Congressman John Garamendi
of California, also with us tonight, Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of The
Nation which turns 150 years this month. Congratulations.


SCHULTZ: Congressman, would this spoil or motivate any kind of debate in
Congress what Huckabee is saying. Is he characterizing something that
maybe some behind close doors are saying in Congress about this Iranian

REP. JOHN GARAMENDI, (D) CALIFORNIA: I don`t think so. There`s a lot of
opposition to the court. And I don`t know anybody in Congress who`s using
language that is outlandish and frankly reprehensible.

There is opposition to be sure but I think the question all of us need to
ask ourselves is, "OK, we vote this down, then what?" Then Iran is free to
build a bomb. And they could do so in three months.

So, maybe 10, 15, 25 years is a whole lot better than three months. Those
are the kind of questions we need to ask ourselves in a cool analytic way,
not with the kind of rhetoric that Huckabee is tossing around.

SCHULTZ: I mean, is it a lack of attention because Huckabee wrote an
article about dealing with Iran back in 2008. In fact, he advocated for
diplomacy and wanted to avoid a military option. Katrina, what`s the
change in tone all about?

HEUVEL: Well, at the moment in this GOP primary the hard-liners are jacking
as to who will be the hardest liner. And I think you`re witnessing
American Ayatollahs Huckabee, Walker, others but the Congressman is right
and wrong. I mean this is a security enhancing deal. This is an important
historic deal that will enhance America`s security, the region security.

Huckabee should know the key members of Israeli security establishment are
for it, opposed Netanyahu but I do think that what we`re witnessing is a
fundamental -- this guy Huckabee made a misstep in what he said but the
more dangerous opposition, we will witness in this lobbying onslaught.
We`re going to see in this next months.

And, you know, you still have and people who were for taking this nation
into war in Iraq still out there. There`s no accountability. They`re now
preaching for us to go to war with Iran because that is the alternative if
we don`t strike this agreement. There has been a change in the region and
I think fundamentally these people don`t understand that waging diplomacy
is far better than waging war and that a president`s duty is to make war
the very last resort.

So I think we have a big fight ahead, but listen Scott Walker said he`s
going to take military action in day one. Senator Tom Cotton compared John
Kerry to Pontius Pilate. Last, I checked John Kerry wasn`t involved in
killing Jesus Christ. John Kerry has been involved in giving this country
that most historic opportunity for game change in the region and to rebuild
diplomacy as America`s mission in the world not war.

SCHULTZ: Well I mean, Huckabee is not going to be voting on this but
others might be and to embolden the Tom Cotton to the world. I mean,
Congressman, is this the way the opposition really thinks not to mention
that he just said that the president of the United States would walk the
Israelis right to the ovens? Does President Obama deserve something like

GARAMENDI: Well, of course not. No president deserves that and no one
that wants to be president should ever be talking like that. They have a
very, very important responsibility and that`s they want to be the
president of the United States. You better start acting like that.
However, we need to know that the votes are probably in the Congress to
over -- to vote this deal down but the question then comes are the votes
therefore veto overwrite and I think not. I hope not because as I said
earlier and I think I was right about this without this deal there won`t be
sanctions expect those that the United States imposes.

I don`t believe the other five major countries plus the E.U. will standby
if the United States trashes this deal. We are in a situation where we`re
a whole lot better off with this deal than without this deal and that`s how
we ought to move forward.

SCHULTZ: Katrina, what about the political play here? I mean this is
turning out to be the summer of Trump. Huckabee is pulling way down. He
needs to rile up a base somewhere. Is this as much political as it is as
anything else?

HEUVEL: Absolutely Ed. I mean you quoted that 2008 article. He was on
the same page with -- then, you know, Senator Barrack Obama, he was for
containment and some kind of engagement with Iran. This is the summer of
madness. It`s also the summer of Pope (inaudible).

No, I decide the Pope is example of hope but it gives me vertigo. You got
a Pope speaking the way he does and you got Trump. So these candidates are
out trying to out tramp Trump and they live in this right-wing approaching
(ph) for so long and this infrastructure that there -- you know they`re
making these noises but it is very dangerous Ed and I hope that American`s
keep their eyes on the price because they are going to be inundated with
all kinds of false, fearful manipulation in order to do what the
Congressman warned up...


HEUVEL: ... which is the failure to override -- that you need those votes
to ensure that the president can veto what would be so destructive for the
United States.

SCHULTZ: John, what about that?

GARAMENDI: I think (inaudible) is going to -- well, I think the votes are
going to be there at the end of the day. Right there`s a lot huffing and
puffing and beating of the chest and phenomenal rhetoric particularly from
the presidential candidates on the Republican side. We hear some of that -
- well, we hear a lot of that in Congress also.

But the reality is that eventually after these 45 days have passed and
we`re going to have to stand up and vote one way or another about whether
we`re going to give Iran by voting -- to trash this deal either in the
outright or in the veto. We`re giving Iran a free pass to build a nuclear
weapon and they have the potential of building 10 nuclear weapons within
the next three months or shortly thereafter. That`s a really...


GARAMENDI: ... dangerous situation.

SCHULTZ: No doubt.

GARAMENDI: We have not to go there. We`re better off with 10, 15, 25
years with Iran not having a nuclear weapon.

SCHULTZ: Congressman John Garamendi, Katrina Vanden Heuvel of the Nation,
great to have both of you on us on the Ed Show.

HEUVEL: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Thanks for the conversation.

GARAMENDI: Thank you Ed.

SCHULTZ: Still ahead Hillary Clinton says she`ll take a stand against
climate change but she is taking a knee on Keystone. Really? The logic
just does not add up with those who are concern about the climate. Jane
Kleeb, Bold Nebraska, joins us next.


SCHULTZ: Here are the results of tonight`s Bing Pulse poll right here on
the Ed Show. Tonight`s question, "Is Bernie Sanders being under
estimated?" 84 percent of you say says, 16 percent no.

Keep voting until the end of this hour on the Ed Show at We`re right back.


SCHULTZ: And then tonight`s Two-Minute Drill, camp out, I guess a good say
The Steelers and Vikings open up a training camp. Yeah, it`s that time a
year. I`m liking it.

This weekend, these two teams kick off the hall of fame game in two weeks I
should say.

The Steelers are focusing on a better defense this year after allowing the
most yards per rush since 1964 last year. Minnesota Vikings running back
Adrian Peterson back in training camp after a long year of all the field
problems, Peterson says he ready to go.


looking forward, but it`s comforting, you know, definitely a good feeling
to know that the people, you know, that do have your back.


SCHULTZ: Stick around lot more coming up on the Ed Show right here on
MSNBC, we`re back.



that`s OK. I am all and favor of acting on climate.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Finally tonight Hillary Clinton is
trying to answer here critics on climate change. Today Clinton laid out
her climate agenda in Des Moines, Iowa.

Clinton wants 500 million more solar panels in America, sounds good to me.
She also wants to increase the U.S. output of solar energy 700 percent by
the end of the decade, can argue with that. Clinton said nothing about the
Keystone XL Pipeline in her prepared remarks. Keystone was one of the
first questions Clinton was asked, Clinton preface her responds by talking
about the time when she was secretary of state and left Iowa voters with


CLINTON: I will refrain from commenting because I had a leading role in
getting that process started. And I think that we have to let to run its


SCHULTZ: There`s a difference between process and reality, does Hillary
Clinton want tar sands oil to come to market, that is the question. It is
the most damaging oil that we could put into our environment, it`s
unnecessary we don`t need it and we don`t need the supply and we need to
turn away from it. And for Hillary Clinton to say that she can`t answer
this question because she used to be secretary of state, I think it`s
hogwash, I think she doesn`t want to offend big oil and she doesn`t want to
offend Wall Street and she knows if she goes with the climate change folks
you know that this is wrong she`s going to offend a lot of people that are
donors to the Clinton campaign.

This is wrong and this is exactly why Hillary Clinton is having a hard time
with this numbers in the poll when it comes to trust worthy. Those people
in this country and around the world who are concern about climate change,
when they hear and they answer like that and they think about trusting
Hillary Clinton, they just can`t come home.

Jane Kleeb, Executive Director of Bold Nebraska joins us tonight. Jane, I
want your opinion on what you heard Hillary Clinton say, because she was
secretary of state, she can give a position on Keystone.

right it is hogwash because she is talking about Benghazi and lot of other
issues that she clearly handles when she was secretary of state. So on the
one hand we have Secretary Clinton saying she wants to be a climate
champion and rules out this renewable energy program, but on the other hand
she says she incline to support Keystone XL, a pipeline that`s going to
risk not only our land and water here in Nebraska, but its going to
contribute to climate change 20 times worst than traditional oil.

And so, while I appreciate that she`s thinking about tomorrow with solar
panels, I need her thinking about today about the risk on climate that tar
sands is going to bring to our country.

SCHULTZ: How much would the Keystone XL fight impact the 2016 race you
think? I mean, is this an important none position by Hillary Clinton?

KLEEB: It is critical, you know, I heard Howard Dean on another show
earlier today saying that it`s no big deal. Howard Dean and Secretary
Clinton are completely out of touch with the grassroots in the Democratic
base. If they think that she can continue to get away with this. I know
that groups like going to continue to Bergdahl (ph) her. If she
comes even close to the state of Nebraska where going to have farmers and
ranchers and our need to allies out there telling her that we will no
longer accept this status quo, she can`t continue to dodge this question.

It is simple, do you support the expansion of tar sands which we know
contributes to climate change or do you support as transitioning to cleaner
energy? It`s that simple you can`t say do you want to have all this solar
panels as the shine the object and is it not wonderful and then completely
avoid the tough subjects.

SCHULTZ: All right, the Clinton`s 2016 Democratic contender Martin
O`Malley Tweeted his against to the Keystone XL Pipeline. So is Bernie
Sanders, what`s your -- I mean what`s your responds and how much is this
position that Hillary is taking going to hurt her credibility. I mean, I
think it plays into the trustworthy poll. I mean, I think there`s a lot
people in this country...

KLEEB: That is exactly right.

SCHULTZ: ... were very concerned. I think a lot of people in this country
are very concerned about climate change and when they`re hearing none
committal it just doesn`t fly. So is this the kind of thing that`s hurting
her campaign?

KLEEB: Yeah, no your right Ed. So I was with land donors today because we
were in a court hearing on aminate domain that TransCanada is trying to
take land away from American land donors, their foreign company. Entrust
with number one thing that those land donors kept on bringing up and some
of them are Democrats and some of them are Republicans, they live in a
rural red state.

But Secretary Clinton can`t ignore us in this rural state, so we also
matte. We have a very populous of view of climate change and of this
pipeline and clearly have issues around energy. And so it gets to the
matter of trust and the reason why Bernie Sanders is kind of coming up and
really catching her in New Hampshire and other places and why I think
Martin O`Malley is going to catch fire as well. It`s because they`re
actually answering this tough questions, they`re not afraid to essentially
answer the things that we want to know about and we know why she`s doing

It is no surprise to us that she is doing this. She has TransCanada
lobbyist on her payroll. She allow some of her seniors staff members that
used to be on her team that then went to TransCanada lobbyist essentially
getting into the process at the state department. And so while she brags
about today to the reporter that state department process was good, it

SCHULTZ: So there`s a connection between Hillary Clinton and TransCanada
that is undeniable is that correct?

KLEEB: It is undeniable, one of her senior staff members on her campaign
is a top TransCanada lobbyist and there have been e-mails that tract it.
They have to get rid of the first consulting firm called Cardno ENTRIX,
which also by the way grim lighted the B.P. projects so you know how good
that one is. They have to get rid of that one because unethical. The
whole process under Clinton was unethical.

SCHULTZ: All right, Jane Kleeb, Bold Nebraska great to have you with us on
the Ed Show tonight, thanks so much.

And that is the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz.

PoliticsNation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.


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