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Date: July 29, 2015
Guest: John Cranley, Jeffrey Blackwell, Wesley Lowery, Elizabeth Beck


CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST (voice-over): Tonight on ALL IN --

JOE DETERS, HAMILTON CO. PROSECUTOR: This is without question a murder.

HAYES: Jaw dropping video of a police officer shooting an unarmed man.
Tonight, we`ll show you the body camera footage that led to his indictment
for murder.

POLICE: Go ahead and take your seatbelt off.

DRIVER: I didn`t do nothing.

POLICE: Go ahead and take your seatbelt off.

HAYES: And the mayor and police chief of Cincinnati join me live.

Then, the Republican front-runner admits he told an attorney that her
breast milk pumping was disgusting.

something else. I thought it was terrible. She is a horrible person.

HAYES: The attorney in question, Elizabeth Beck, joins me respond tonight.

Plus, Hillary Clinton weighs in as Republicans reveal their plot to defund
Planned Parenthood.

And as outrage mounts over Cecil the lion --

JIMMY KIMMEL, COMEDIAN: I`m honestly curious to know why a human being
would feel compelled to do that. How is that fun?

HAYES: Tonight, U.S. authorities are opening their own investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: Killing Cecil was not right.

HAYES: ALL IN starts right now.


HAYES: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes.

An Ohio grand jury has indicted a University of Cincinnati police officer
for murder in the fatal shooting of an unarmed black man. The bombshell
announcement today coming after footage from the officer`s own body camera
contradicted his own account of what happened. Samuel Dubose is a 43-year-
old father of 10 was pulled over not far from the university campus on July
19th for driving without a front license plate.

According to the incident report, the office who pulled him over, Ray
Tensing, said during the traffic stop he began to be dragged by the male
black driver. He was almost run over by the driver of the Honda Accord and
was forced to shoot the driver.

But the body camera video made public today tells a very different story.



SAMUEL DUBOSE, OHIO: Hey, how`s it`s going?

TENSING: Good. Officer Tensing, University Police. Do you have a license
on you?

DUBOSE: Yes. What happened?


TENSING: OK. Is this your car?


TENSING: It`s coming back to a female actually.

DUBOSE: Yes. It`s my wife. Her name is Sandra Beasley.

TENSING: OK. You don`t have a front license plate on your car.

DUBOSE: It`s in my glove box. I have it.

TENSING: What`s that?

DUBOSE: It`s right here.



TENSING: That`s actually -- that`s got to go where the front plate is
supposed to go. You don`t have to reach for it. That`s OK. Do you have a
license on you?


TENSING: What`s that bottle on the floor there?

DUBOSE: Oh, that`s a bottle of air freshener.

TENSING: Bottle of what?

DUBOSE: You can smell it, that`s air freshener. There`s no liquor in

TENSING: OK. Do you have your license on you?

OK. Do you know (INAUDIBLE) or what?

DUBOSE: I got my property (INAUDIBLE) and stuff in there.

TENSING: OK. I`m going to ask you again. Do you have your license on

DUBOSE: I have a license. You can run my name.

TENSING: Do you not have your license on you? I`m asking you a direct
question. Do you have your license on you?

DUBOSE: I thought I did. What did you pull me over for?

TENSING: Again, the front tag.

DUBOSE: But it`s not illegal not to have a front tag (INAUDIBLE).

TENSING: OK. Actually, it is.

I`m going to ask you again. Do you have a license on you?

DUBOSE: I have a license. You can run my name.

TENSING: OK. Is that not on you then?

DUBOSE: I don`t seem to have it on me.

TENSING: Be straight up with me. Are you suspended?

DUBOSE: No, I`m not suspended.

TENSING: Then why don`t you have your license on you?

DUBOSE: I don`t. I just don`t. I`m sorry, sir. I`m just going to my

TENSING: OK. Where do you stay at? Down here?

DUBOSE: Right around the corner.


Well, until I can figure out if you have a license or not, go ahead and
take your seat belt off.

DUBOSE: I didn`t even do nothing.

TENSING: Go ahead and take your seat belt off.

Stop. Stop!



HAYES: That`s it. That video was released at a remarkable press
conference earlier today. But the prosecuting attorney, Hamilton County
prosecutor Joe Deters who was unsparing in his condemnation of Officer
Tensing`s actions.


JOE DETERS, HAMILTON CO. PROSECUTOR: I`ve been doing this over 30 years.
This is the most asinine act I`ve ever seen a police officer make. Totally
unwarranted. It was -- it`s an absolute tragedy in the year 2015 that
anyone would behave in this manner.

People want to believe that Mr. Dubose had done something violent toward
the officer. He did not. He did not at all. And I feel so sorry for his
family. And what they lost.

I think he lost his temper because he wasn`t, Mr. Dubose wouldn`t get out
of his car. He was not dealing with someone who was wanted for murder, OK?
He was dealing with someone who didn`t have a front license plate. I mean
this is, in the vernacular, a pretty chicken crap stop. All right? And
could I use harsher words.

But nonetheless, if he`s starting to roll away, just seriously, let him go.
I mean, you don`t have to shoot him in the head. I`m treating him like a

REPORTER: Is he in custody right now?

DETERS: They`re out to get him. We asked his lawyer to turn him in if he
wants but we`re going to arrest him.

I think he was making an excuse for a purposeful killing of another person.
That`s what I think. I just think CPD would be better suited to do this
than university police. I mean, when you lead, when you lead to a murder
like this, a shooting in the head, where your stop was no front license
plate? I mean, that`s crazy.

That`s just -- if you see this family, how they are suffering from this.
It`s -- it`s ridiculous that this happened.


HAYES: Shortly after that press conference, Tensing turned himself into
the county sheriff`s office. He`s been fired by the University of
Cincinnati Police Department and is scheduled to be arraigned tomorrow

A lawyer for Tensing told NBC News his client genuinely feared for his life
when Dubose` car started moving.


STEW MATHEWS, LAWYER FOR RAY TENSING: He was afraid he was going to lose
his own life. He thought he was going to be run over by Mr. Dubose car as
it sped away. It didn`t slowly move away as I heard Deters describe it.
It sped away.


HAYES: The family of Samuel Dubose was mourned by over 500 people at a
funeral service yesterday, expressed a measure of relief today that charges
were filed and the video made public.


AUDREY DUBOSE, MOTHER OF SAMUEL DUBOSE: I just thank god that everything
is being revealed and I pray that everybody out there, all the soldiers who
was out there marching with me, for justice for my son. I thank you.

TERINA ALLEN, SISTER OF SAMUEL DUBOSE: I wasn`t even really big on video
cams, but every day now, I`m going to be marching for video cams because my
brother was being prosecuted for trying to kill a police officer. He
dragged him, he assaulted him. They just look at stereotypes and my
brother was about to be one other stereotype. And that`s not going to


HAYES: This is not Cincinnati`s first encounter with a racially charged
police shooting. Violent riots erupted there in 2001 after an unarmed
black man was fatally shot by a white police officer, leading the police
force which is distinct from the University PD, to implement widely held
policing reforms. The events of 14 years ago seem to be front of mind for
Cincinnati officials at a press conference this afternoon.


MAYOR JOHN CRANLEY (D), CINCINNATI: I think we all hoped that the charges
that would come out of grand jury would match the video. We wanted the
right thing to be done, the just thing to be done, the fair thing to be

collectively, all of our hearts, go out to the Dubose family. We recognize
in law enforcement, and you`ve heard me say this before, most of you in
this room. That what affects us anywhere affects us everywhere.


HAYES: Tonight, the Dubose family and Black Lives Matter Cincinnati held a
rally outside the Hamilton County courthouse calling for justice for Samuel

Joining me live from Cincinnati, NBC News correspondent Sarah Dallof.

Sarah, what is the latest there that had been preparations for protests,
possibly unrest, although in the light of the decisions of the prosecutor
today, it didn`t seem to me like that would be anything that would trigger
some huge wave of anger.

SARAH DALLOF, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: There`s a lot of emotion right now,
Chris, but I would not at this point describe it as anger. Right now, it
is quiet along the road where Samuel Dubose died. You can see the
makeshift memorial here behind me. People have been stopping by in small
numbers to pay their respects.

Meanwhile, that rally at the courthouse with crowds anywhere from 300 to
400 people. That despite rains that have swept through Cincinnati
throughout the afternoon. The family of Dubose, a brother and a son
speaking eloquently about the emotion, calling for peace among crowd and
that`s how it has been so far, very peaceful.

You have some police officers in dress uniform who have been mingling with
the crowd, to answer questions, address concerns. But for the most part,
officers have been hanging back. They are there. But they`re there in
case they`re needed. They`re not there to police the event or impose any
rule upon it just to be there in case they are needed and to answer any
questions from the crowd.

A few moments ago, about half of the group, half the demonstrators took to
the streets. They are marching right now. The other half remain at the
courthouse. The family of Samuel Dubose has called for peaceful and calm

And so far, Chris, that is what it has been. Back to you.

HAYES: All right. Sarah, thank you very much.

Joining me now, Cincinnati Mayor John Cranley.

Mayor, your reaction to what happened today and the strong words from the

CRANLEY: Well, first of all, let me say, I`m a big fan of your show and I
got to tell you that I thought that was a very fair report as to what we`ve
been dealing with in Cincinnati.

Secondly, it has been a very sad day here in my city. But we`re going to
get through it. And I got a chance to meet with the family this morning.
We cried together, we mourned together. It has been a very sad time.

In addition, Hamilton County prosecutor Joe Deters, I`m a Democrat, he is a
Republican. He did the right thing today. He did an act of public service
will help our city for the future.

And, Chris, I want you to know that as you pointed out in your opening
segment, our city has been through tough times with police community
relations and we`re not perfect. But since 2001, and I happened to be a
city councilman at the time that we went through our tough times in 2001,
we have built relationships that I think are a role model for so many
cities around the country dealing with the same issues and we are all a
better place because of what we`ve been through.

HAYES: Let me ask --


CRANLEY: Yes, go ahead.

HAYES: Let me ask you this. One of the obvious questions I think that
comes to mind here is the relationship between police department of the
city of Cincinnati which did go through significant reforms in the wake of
what happened in 2001, and the university police. I mean, is that
something you`re going to take a look at, about what the training is for
these officers, whether they should be carrying weapons, how large the area
they should be allowed to patrol in the wake of what we saw in that video?

CRANLEY: Absolutely. There are huge issues, because this stop did not
start on campus. It was off campus. And the entire incident was off

As you pointed out, this entire incident did not happen with a Cincinnati
police officer. After 2001, we adopted some of the most aggressive reforms
anywhere in the country. Those reforms, our training is not to pull people
over for missing a front license plate. That is not what we train our
people to do. We train our people to deal with violent crime and to focus
on violent crime. And that would not happen with a Cincinnati police

However, you see the University of Cincinnati is an important partner of
the city of Mississippi, and Santa Ono, the president, is a great man and
he has been open-minded since this came out. And he is committed to reform
and I am -- we are all going to demand reform of the campus police.

But, Chris, I want you to understand about our great city which had a
horrible injustice that occurred 10 days ago, is that in New York, in
Staten Island, there was no indictment that was brought forward in the
Garner case. In our city, a Republican Hamilton County prosecutor, the
Cincinnati police department, worked together and we brought the right
outcome for the facts that are in that video.

HAYES: Let me ask you this, if that video doesn`t come out, do you get the
same result?

CRANLEY: Well, I don`t know, Chris, and this is -- as I said earlier
today, an endorsement for body cameras all across the country. Body
cameras brought not a certain agenda, but the truth. And, you know, I am a
major supporter of constitutional rights and I`m a major supporter of
letting the truth set people free. And in this case, as the prosecutor
said, the truth turned out to be murder.

And it`s a tragic day for I`m sure, for everybody involved -- and certainly
for the family, the Dubose family who I had the opportunity to sit down
with today and cry with today. But the fact is that in so many cases
around the country, the issue is what actually happened.

HAYES: Right.

CRANLEY: And we`ve been through tough times. We are not a perfect city.
Not a perfect situation. We have made improvements and body cameras will
help us make even more improvements.

HAYES: Mayor Cranley, thank you for joining us tonight. I really
appreciate it.

Joining me now, Cincinnati Police Chief Jeffrey Blackwell.

And, Chief Blackwell, let me start by this. As a matter of policing, what
goes through your mine as a police officer when you see that videotape?

BLACKWELL: Well, I was very disturbed when I saw it. I think the video
speaks for itself. Unfortunately, there was a delay before we could get
all of our work done and get it to the county prosecutor and then he had to
do due diligence as well.

But I think the mayor alluded to the fact that we finished an investigation
of this magnitude in nine days and we`re very proud of that. It was
expeditious but very thorough. And our citizens demand that. And we`re
happy to give that to our city.

HAYES: It was your -- it was your police department that investigated
this, is that correct?

BLACKWELL: That`s correct.

HAYES: We`ve seen in many cases, a sense by people that police departments
are incapable of investigating themselves. What do you think it meant for
this investigation that it was in fact an outside body? You were
investigating police department which was not your own police department.

BLACKWELL: Right. I want to make that clear. I want to make that
distinction. We were investigating the University of Cincinnati Police
Department in an act that happened in the city in our neighborhood and our
community, outside of the university area.

HAYES: When did you first see that video?

BLACKWELL: I saw the video shortly there after. A couple days later
before our county prosecutor Joe Deters required us to submit all of our
copies to him by subpoena because he didn`t want to impugn the
investigation. He wanted a very thorough investigation and we complied
with that fully so that tape did not leak out and impact this investigation
in any way, shape or form that could be construed as being negative.

We wanted the facts to come out in court and we wanted the truth to come
out. It is very important that the truth we think did come out in this
case. We acted appropriately. And we`re hopeful and prayerful that our
citizens understand that the process has been fair and to this point, it
has been just.

HAYES: To people that have been following this sort of coverage of police
shootings, there`s a certain pattern that has appeared to emerge in
specific instances in which video is available. In which police officers
filed a report about what happened, video comes out that contradicts that

What do you say to people who say, I cannot trust what I hear or read from
police officers or police departments in the wake of any kind of use of
force incident.

BLACKWELL: Well, let me start by saying this. I work with some of the
most noble men and women in the world. And I know police officers
throughout this great nation who are honest, just, fair, and full of
character. We have over 600,000 police officers in this great nation. And
99 percent of us do a great job with honor and integrity every day.

But I do understand the public`s outcry, because we have made mistake after
mistake after mistake. And they`ve been more egregious as we go on. We`re
just very fortunate that we had the body camera video and we`re very
fortunate we had an aggressive prosecutor who was not afraid to call it
like he saw it.

HAYES: I`m going to ask the same thing of the mayor. Without the video,
do we get this result?

BLACKWELL: I don`t think so. And that`s unfortunate.

So, we`re glad that we did have it. We`re pushing in this city on my
department. My city manager and my great mayor are pushing and will
provide the finances that we need to equip with body cameras. I believe
they should be a staple item, just like a gun and a taser and a walkie
talkie for police officers in this country. They improve transparency and
truth telling and they improved behavior on both parts, on the part of
officers, and on the part of the citizens as well.

HAYES: All right. Police Chief Jeff Blackwell. Thank you for making time
for us tonight. I appreciate it.

BLACKWELL: Thank you, Chris.

HAYES: All right. Still ahead, with 558 fatal police shootings this
calendar year, we`ll look at the role that body cameras could play in
police accountability.

Plus, why presidential candidate Donald Trump flipped out at a new mother
in the middle of a deposition.

And later, a series of undercover Planned Parenthood spurs another vote to
defund the organization.

Those stories and more, ahead.


HAYES: The story of body cameras in Cincinnati is next.

First, time once again to reset our calendar marking the days since a
sitting member of Congress has been indicted all the way back to zero.


ZANE DAVID MEMEGER, U.S. ATTORNEY: This morning, we are here to announce
the filing of a 29-count indictment charging United States Congressman
Chaka Fattah, Sr. and four other persons with engaging in a racketeering
conspiracy to further their political and financial interests.


HAYES: The charges against 11-term Democrat Chaka Fattah stem from his
failed 2007 mayoral bid. The Justice Department said Fattah tried to repay
a loan from a wealthy donor using charitable and federal grant funds.
Fattah today said he would fight the charges and decline to resign his
seat. We will stay on this story as it develops.



HARRY BLACK, CINCINNATI CITY MANAGER: As the chief mentioned, pursuing a
body camera program is not a question. We`ve made a decision that we will
be pursuing the body camera program. We want to step back and ask all the
right questions, so that when we do it, we do it in the most economical way
and the most effective way. But we will ultimately have a body camera

CRANLEY: I think it is safe to say that this case is going to help the
cause of body cameras across the country.


HAYES: And tonight, leaders are discussing the inevitability of a city
wide body camera program, similar to the one used by the University of
Cincinnati police. A body camera was obviously crucial in recording the
police shooting of Samuel Dubose.

Now, according to the extensive database of police shootings compiled by
"The Washington Post", 558 people have been shot dead by police this year,
57 of those shot dead were unarmed, 20 had a toy weapon.

With today`s announcement, this is the fourth prosecution of all those and
it is notable that in this prosecution and the prosecution of the officer
who shot Walter Scott in South Carolina, the definitive piece of evidence
was a videotape. Of course, it was cell phone video by a bystander in the
case of Walter Scott. But for many who have been skeptical of police
accounts of shootings, video serves as confirmation of their worse fears
and the need for video monitoring.

Joining me now, "Washington Post" national reporter Wesley Lowery, who has
been part of the team compiling this database, which, Wesley, I got to say,
it`s remarkable to have some actual tangible data that has been absent.
This is -- this is not an official statistic. You guys have been doing

What do we know so far about the cases where prosecutions have happened and
the role video has played?

WESLEY LOWERY, WASHINGTON POST: Of course. Video has played a major role.
So, the two that will stick out are Sam Dubose here and Walter Scott in
Charleston. But those are two of four. What we know, there have been four
cases of the 558 where an officer in 2015 has shot and killed someone and
been charged with a crime for that shooting. In all four cases, there is
video of the shooting. Walter Scott being one of them, Samuel Dubose here
in Cincinnati being one of them, Eric Harris in Tulsa, Oklahoma, being the

And then there is a fourth shooting of David Kassick, a 59-year-old white
man who was stopped at a traffic stop for an expired emissions ticket, ran,
got out of his car, was tackled into the snow by an officer, tase and then
shot in the back twice. So, that video has not been released, although
there is still a decision being made by a judge of whether or not that
video will be released.

But what we know is that in all four cases, where an officer has been
charged for an on-duty shooting this year, there is videotape, in several
cases because of a body camera or taser camera and in other cases because
of bystander video.

HAYES: I mean, I got to say, the natural kind of empirical question here,
right, is what this would all look like if we had videotape for the 50-plus
shootings and killings of unarmed civilians if we had videotape for that.
The fact that we have a much higher prosecutor rate where there is video
suggests we might see a higher prosecution rate in that other category.

LOWERY: Of course, because there`s been zero prosecutions where there is
no video. Literally none. And four, which even 4 of the 57 is not
overwhelming amount, but that is a significant number.

We have to remember is, the reason -- one of the reasons we`re even having
this conversation is because of Ferguson, Missouri, which is almost exactly
a year ago. And so much of the conversation we`re having, so much of the
reporting we`re trying to do, we`re trying to figure out what happened on
that street between Michael Brown and Darren Wilson. All these witness
accounts, 20, 30 different witnesses saying conflicting things.

What we know is that where there`s a video camera, on Darren Wilson`s body
or on his weapon. We would have had much more clarity about that incident
many months before we eventually got some clarity. And frankly, we still
don`t know definitively what happened between those two men on the street.

HAYES: That`s an excellent point. You`ve been chronicling this sort of
social movement and these issues around the police and police force, civil
rights, et cetera. I couldn`t help but think today this was very much a --
not a culmination but a product of the increased detention. I mean, the
body cameras were instituted in October 2014 on the university campus. The
obvious concern about social under rest that colored everything, I mean,
you cannot detach what happened in Cincinnati today from the larger
movement that has sprung up around this issue, it seems.

LOWERY: Yes, there`s no way you can detach it. You know, let`s imagine
this shooting happened one year prior. It happens July 19th, 2014, pre-
Michael Brown, pre-Eric Garner, that --in that environment, we probably
don`t -- all this national media report probably isn`t calling the
University of Cincinnati yesterday, last week, saying when are you
releasing the video? What`s going on? It creates a different pressure on
law enforcement and prosecutors to release information in a way that`s
transparent and that provides that information more quickly.

And in many ways, that is an accountability measure, when they know we`re
going to call, they know we`re going to ask these hard questions, it means
they know that, listen, someone is going to see this video eventually. We
can`t act like we haven`t seen it. And we`re starting to see the impact of

HAYES: Wesley Lowery of "The Washington Post" -- thank you very much.

Ahead, presidential candidate Donald Trump called a lawyer disgusting after
she asked for a break to pump breast milk for her newborn daughter. That
lawyer joins me live next.


CHRIS HAYES, "ALL IN" HOST: The New York Times is combing through
depositions and lawsuits in which Donald Trump has been either the
defendant or the plaintiff and they have discovered that Donald Trump being
deposed is a lot like the Donald Trump on a campaign trail, occasionally
belligerent, rude, and arguably chauvinistic.

In one deposition, the opposing lawyer asked for a medical break according
New York Times. When Mr. Trump and he`s lawyers voice objects, the lawyer
Elizabeth Beck said it was urgent. She needed to pump breast milk for her
3-month-old daughter and she took the pump out to make the point. And Mr.
Trump erupted "You`re disgusting" he told Mrs. Beck and a remark that is
not disputed by either side. He then walked out of the room, ending the
testimony for the day.

While the basics may not be in question, the Trump camp is trying to
portray someone differently. And Mr. Alan Garten did not dispute Mr.
Beck`s account of Mr. Trump`s language but said it was no way a statement
about her decision to breastfeed or pump. It was only the fact she was
appearing to do it in the middle of a deposition although no one involved
suggested she went beyond just displaying the pump.

Today Donald Trump also trying to assert a somewhat different account.


DONALD TRUMP, GOP PRESIDENCIAL CANDIDATE: What happened was in the middle
of everything. It wasn`t breastfeed. You use the word breastfeeding, it
was breast pump. She wanted to pump in front of me during a deposition.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The way she described it was that she wanted to take
a break so she could take a pump out.

TRUMP: If you ask my lawyer who was there, he said I`ve never seen
anything like it. She wanted to breast pump in front of me. And I may
have said that`s disgusting. I may have said something else. I thought it
was terrible. She`s a horrible person. She knows nothing about me. I see
her she`s now the great expert on Donald Trump.


HAYES: Joining me now, the attorney involved in this story. The one who
was taking Donald Trump`s deposition is Elizabeth Beck. Mrs. Beck.


HAYES: How are you? Would this is a surreal situation you find yourself
in. First, do you want to respond to Mr. Trump calling you a horrible

BECK: I certainly do. The first thing I would like to address is the
first of his many lies during his interview today. And as far as I`m
concern there are two types of lies. Lies that you get away with and lies
that catch up with you a few hours later. And what Mr. Trump engaged in
were the second type of lies.

He claims that I intended to pump in front of him. This is a lie and this
is why it`s a lie. What Mr. Trump fails to explain is that his deposition
was not the only deposition that was occurring that week. The entire week,
there were multiple depositions of multiple parties and I was taking all of
them. And I was pumping every day. Very discreetly, people did not even
really know what I was doing. Because I was in private. I was in a
separate conference room. I was in a conference room. Nobody was there.
Never in any of those days did I ever, ever engage in this medical
procedure before any deponent or any attorneys.

The second thing I would like to address is the fact that today for the
first time he`s accusing me of making it up.

On December 5, 2011, less than a month after his terminated deposition, his
attorneys sent my law firm a letter essentially confirming the fact that he
said, you`re disgusting, you`re disgusting, and he ran out of there.
Prematurely which is really the only facts that are relevant, because what
would make a person run out of there, when this was what was in the room?
So this is a medical apparatus.

And the third, the third thing I would like to address is he accuses me of
springing my request for a break suddenly. This, too, is an absolute lie.
And I have brought documents to prove that Mr. Trump is a liar. Because I
have here an e-mail dated November 15, 2011, Mr. Trump`s deposition
occurred on November 16, 2011. The next day. This e-mail was sent from
Merrill Goldberg (ph) of the law firm of (inaudible) 11.

Mr. Trump`s lawyers. And she said yes, lunch tomorrow, please. And the e-
mail chain continues. Please confirm meeting and food request. November
16, 2011, lunch for five. This was all negotiated in advance. All the
attorneys anticipated that there would be a lunch break. I assumed based
on this e-mail that my colleagues in the room intended to eat lunch. It
was really Mr. Trump at the very last minute decide that he was going to
yank away that break from everyone and he said no break.

So I invite anyone to read this e-mail and come to a different conclusion
than do I. I am sure everyone will conclude that Mr. Trump is a liar.

HAYES: So Mrs. Beck, at the time, what was your reaction to that moment?
I know first hand that pumping can be difficult, it could be stressful,
it`s hard to final places for it, you`re constantly trying to juggle your
struggle. When someone yells you`re disgusting because you try to take a
break to do that, what was your reaction?

BECK: I don`t think having children and a woman`s right to choose what to
feed your baby is disgusting at all. He is entitled to his opinion,
however. If he finds that disgusting, if he finds babies disgusting,
that`s his opinion. But why did he react the way he did? That is what is
puzzling. What is it about an apparatus that essentially extracts baby
food that made him run screaming from that room? No one knows.

HAYES: Let me ask you this finally. This is someone who`s leading in the
polls of the Republican Party. What is your reaction to that?

BECK: I`m sorry?

HAYES: This is someone leading the current polling.

BECK: Yeah.

HAYES: To be president of the United States. What is your reaction to

BECK: My understanding is 25 percent of the GOP support Mr. Trump. He is
leading in the polls. This is -- I think should be concerning to all
Americans. All Americans Democrat and Republicans, because when we go to
the polls, when you go to the poll, all of us should make an informed
decision on who you are voting for.

So if you`re running for president, I think we should know how each
candidate would behave when they are under stress, when they`re in a
deposition, which can get uncomfortable, somebody is asking you questions
and you must answer them. How do you react in a situation like that?

But we know how Mr. Trump reacts in a situation like that. We also know
how he reacts when a breast pump appears in the room. And he is told what
it is. This I think should be concerning to all of us.

HAYES: All right. Elizabeth Beck, thank you for joining us.

BECK: Thank you.

HAYES: Up next, a renewed push to defund Planned Parenthood with a vote
that could happen as soon as next week. That`s a head.



of Justice should open a criminal investigation into whether Planned
Parenthood nationally is a criminal enterprise breaking the law.

business of providing abortion. And what we now know they`re in the
business of selling babies` body parts like the parts of a buick.

defund Planned Parenthood. I don`t think they should get any taxpayer
dollars and we got good news today. We`re going to get a vote on this.
The Senate will vote on defunding Planned Parenthood before we leave in


HAYES: Victory tonight for Rand Paul and several a fellow Republican of
2016 hopefuls as a new effort to take federal dollars from Planned
Parenthood gets fast-tracked in the Senate. Putting the bill to prohibit
federal funding for the group, up for vote as early as next week.

According to Planned Parenthood, it will be the eighth defunding vote in
Congress in the passed eight years. The impetus for this latest effort, a
series of sting videos made by an anti-abortion group who alleges that
Planned Parenthood is selling fetal body parts for profit. Planned
Parenthood said the videos have heavily edited and the claims are flat out
untrue. While the organizations helps patient who`s want to donate tissue
for scientific research, there is no financial benefit for tissue donation
for either the patient or for Planned Parenthood.

Joining me now, Dawn Laguens, she`s Executive Vice President of Planned
Parenthood. Let`s start with the most aggressive allegation that`s made
which is that Planned Parenthood is engaging in the illegal practice of
selling fetal tissue. Is that true?

thank you for having me. And just have to say, thank you for covering
those two other important stories, especially what`s going on in Cincinnati
and that tragic situation.

A lot of people forget that Planned Parenthood is for 99 years, America`s
largest reproductive health organization, providing health care to 2.5
million men and women a year in our health centers. That`s birth control,
cancer screenings, STD testing, abortion. And we give education to over a
million young people in terms of sex education and teen pregnancy
prevention. And 6 million people a month come to our website. So I think
the American people know who Planned Parenthood is and that we are not
selling body parts.

HAYES: OK. So that`s key though. That you are saying you are not
engaging in the illegal practice of selling fetal tissue, right? I mean,
this is the -- criminal charge is being made against and you and the charge
that Planned Parenthood is responding to, I think with some documentation,
it is illegal to sell tissue like that. It is legal to essentially charge
a kind of servicing fee for it.

After an abortion has happen, the tissue can be donated legally and can
help in scientific research and that is the process being captured on the
videos. Is that correct?

LAGUENS: That`s right is exactly right. In a couple states in the
country, we have programs where women are able to donate and it is their
decision. Let me say, women are able to donate fetal tissue to research.
And that is exactly what is captured on those videotapes. As, you know, we
have faced a decades long attack from these militant anti-abortion
extremists. This is an old play that they`re calling here. They go in,
hide who they are, what they`re trying to do, this time.

HAYES: Let me ask you this. Are you concerned about the security of the
people that work for you? I mean this is -- they`re saying there are nine
more videos first of all. Second of all, you were hacked today. There was
video asset attack on your website that brought it down. But is there some
sense that you`ve been infiltrated? I mean, are there security concerns?

LAGUENS: Well, we take the health and safety and security of our patients
and our employees is our top priority. So I can guarantee you, we are
doing everything to make sure that everyone is protected. This was a
sophisticated operation where they had a phony company. They had phony
identities. They had phony tax and other filings.

So, this was something that we are very concerned about. Of course these
are people associated with operation rescue. One of the most violent
militant anti-abortion organization in the country responsible for the
murder of Dr. George Tiller in Kansas and for clinic bombings, so we take
this very, very seriously as all Americans should.

HAYES: All right Dawn Laguens. Thank you very much for joining me.

Still ahead, growing outrage over the killing of Cecil the lion sparking a
larger conversation on pay to play hunting. Stay with us.


HAYES: There are now 17 Republican candidates on major Republican
Candidates fighting it out for GOP nomination for president and fighting to
get one of only 10 places on the first debates stage next week.

This afternoon, former Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore filed his paperwork
for the federal election commission making him the 17th major contender for
the GOP nomination. Now, right about now when we this as normally when I
would update our "All In" 2016 fantasy draft.

One problem. Jim Gilmore didn`t make it into our -- was that a record
scratch? Didn`t make it into our massive roster of 25 potential candidates
which means no, points tonight for anyone.


HAYES: Nearly a year and a half after disappeared wreckage from missing
Malaysia airline Flight 370 may finally has been found. Tonight sources
tell NBC News that Boeing investigators believe that what you`re looking at
is a piece of a wing from Boeing 777. And there`s only one missing 777 in
the world the Malaysia airline flight from Malaysia to Beijing that
disappeared last March with 239 people aboard.

The wreckage washed up on a remote French Island in the Indian Ocean called
Reunion Island thousands of miles from where MH370 was last seen South of
Vietnam and far from the remote area that has been the focus of the search
in the southern Indian Ocean.

The wreckage was covered with sea shells and appeared to have washed ashore
after having been in the water for at least a year. It not clear how long
it has been on the island. If the wreckage is indeed from the missing
Malaysia airlines flight, investigators will work to calculate where the
flight might have gone down. Before the wreckage ended up on the island
and what the wreckage can reveal about what might have caused the crash.

Rachel Maddow will have much more on this developing story at the top of
the hour.


HAYES: Tonight, Walter Palmer, the Minnesota dentist who reportedly killed
Cecil the lion is nowhere to be found. As the U.S. fish and wildlife
service has said they`re deeply concerned about the death of the famed big
cat and are gathering facts about the issue. That after the two men
appeared in court in Zimbabwe earlier today around allegations they helped
Palmer kill that famed lion.

Police have said they`re looking to question the 55-year-old hunter who
over the last 36 hours has become the subject of almost universal and
worldwide condemnation, even causing Jimmy Kimmel to choke up.


JIMMY KIMMEL, HOST "JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE": I want to make this into a
positive you can -- sorry. I`m -- OK. I`m good. Make a donation to
support them at the very least. Maybe we can show the world that not all
Americans are like this jack hole here. This dentist.


HAYES: That dental practice reference there the Palmer`s enterprise, now
the site of further protest, is still officially closed. In a letter to
his patients he apologized of the inconvenient saying "The media interest
in this matter along with the substantial number of comments and calls from
people who are angered by this situation by the practice of hunting in
general has disrupted our business and our ability to see our patients."

But not just Palmer and his business facing scrutiny. The entire unsavory
world of big game hunting is coming under unprecedented fire.

And joining me now, Christopher Ingraham of Washington Post who were great
piece today headline "Rich American tourist kills hundreds of lions each
year and it`s all legal."

Chris, it was a great piece. It sort of window on this world, but I didn`t
know existed. Walk me through how these function if you`re someone who is
into killing big game. How do you go about it?

CHRISTOPHER INGRAHAM, WASHINGTON POST: And, you know, I think that`s just
the thing. I think that`s why so many people are upset. It`s because many
people didn`t realize that this world existed. But in fact, in many
African countries, it`s perfectly legal to go out and kill a lion for
sport. The latest numbers that I was able to finds show that somewhere
around 600 African lions each year are killed by tourists. Solely for
recreation for trophies. And now the interesting thing is that the vast
majority of those kills they`re coming from American tourists. American
tourists are wealthy. They have the money.

And so, many of these Safari companies cater exclusively to Americans and
they sell these kinds of big luxury hunting packages. They sell it as kind
of dangerous rugged Safari experience. On the other hand, they`re also
marketing that they have full air conditioning and Wi-Fi access and, you
know, concierge service and maid service while you`re out on the hunt. So
it`s really kind of a very strange luxury vacation industry that also lets
you bring home a dead lion at the end of it.

HAYES: And let`s be clear about two things here. They`re not -- I mean,
lions in Africa are, they`re small in number, relatively. This is a huge
chunk, 600 lions is a big chunk of that population. And number two we`re
talking about $40,000, $50,000, $60,000 price tag on this kind of thing.

INGRAHAM: Absolutely. I mean these are catered to exclusively wealthy
clientele. And, you know, that`s the interesting thing. You mentioned
about the lion population. It`s very small. It`s similar to the
population of a town of like Ithaca, New York 30,000.

And the interesting thing many conservationist and many main stream
conservation groups argue that a well managed lion hunt can be a positive
thing for conservation. It can pump money into these areas and it can help
protect lions from poachers.

On the other hand other groups will argue that look, you only go 30,000 of
these lions.

HAYES: Right.

INGRAHAM: If you`re taking 600 adults each year. That`s 2 percent of the
entire population. It`s a much larger chunk the mature male or female
population. So this is really unsustainable. And they`re calling for
better manage and better care and better regulations around these hunts.

HAYES: To bring the news today into a sort of full circle, here`s a
picture of Donald Trump`s adult sons hunting in Africa in front of big game
and Donald Trump Jr. insisting that the hunting made him a conservationist.
It forces a person to endure, to master themselves, even to truly get to
know the wild environment.

Christopher Ingraham, thank you very much.

INGRAHAM: Thanks for having me.

HAYES: That`s all for this evening. The Rachel Maddow Show starts right


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