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Date: July 31, 2015
Guest: Angela Rye; Ed Rendell, Areva Martin, Paul Henderson, Carlos

Bush. She slams him for hypocrisy on his policies for the poor.

Plus, inside the mind of Donald Trump. I`ll talk to a man who has read
every single book Trump ever wrote and lived to tell the tale.

And big news from the grand jury about the other officers involved in that
body cam murder case. Did they do anything wrong?

Welcome to POLITICS NATION. We begin tonight with the fight for a critical
vote in 2016. Today Jeb Bush spoke to the national urban league making his
case for why he is the right candidate for the African-American community.


JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: 14 years ago when the question was
whether to keep the confederate flag on the grounds of the Florida state
capitol, I said no and put it in a museum where it belongs.

We increased the number of black Floridians serving in the judiciary by 43
percent. In Florida, we didn`t want to fill prisons with nonviolent
offenders. So we expanded drug courts. I gave the challenge of school
reform everything I had as governor. I believe in the right to rise in
this country. And a child is not rising if he`s not reading.


SHARPTON: But there are serious issues in his record in Florida he didn`t
address today. Like that he ended affirmative action in state
universities. Or his role in Florida`s 2000 voter purge and his move in
2005 to limit early voting. He also increased mandatory minimums for
juveniles and he signed the first stand your ground law that became a model
across the country.

Now, it is good governor Bush reaching out. He and Ben Carson were the
only two GOP candidates to speak to the Urban League. But as Hillary
Clinton told that same crowd this morning, you`ve got to do more than talk.


candidate`s commitment is not whether we come to speak at your national
conference, as important as that is. It`s whether we`re still around after
the cameras are gone and the votes are counted.


SHARPTON: And Clinton went right after Bush`s record, invoking his right
to rise slogan.


CLINTON: I don`t think you can credibly say that everyone has a right to
rise and then say you`re for phasing out Medicare or for repealing
Obamacare. People can`t rise if they can`t afford health care. They can`t
rise if the minimum wage is too low to live on. They can`t rise if their
governor makes it harder for them to get a college education. And you
cannot seriously talk about the right to rise and support laws that deny
the right to vote.


SHARPTON: We need more than a smile and a wave from the candidates. We
need real commitments on policy, and we can`t have the next occupant of the
White House turn around everything President Obama began.

Joining me now are Angela Rye and Victoria Defrancesco Soto. Thank you for
being here.

Angela, let me go to you first. It is good governor Bush showed up today,
but his record leaves a lot of questions for minority voters.

ANGELA RYE, POLITICAL STRATEGIST: I think his record actually leave us
with several answers, Rev. He shows us very clearly that he`s not the
candidate of choice for us unless he`s done a 180 from his gubernatorial
career. And what he said today is that he`s proud of the record he had in
Florida. The record that he had in Florida caused black people
specifically great pain and great angst. That`s not the kind of record
that we need in a candidate in 2016.

SHARPTON: Victoria, Hillary Clinton hit Jeb Bush pretty hard in his own
backyard at that. What do you make of that?

Reverend. I think we`re just going to keep seeing more and more Bush and
Hillary one on one. But one thing I found really interesting and I think
it`s going to be a constant theme throughout the campaign is hitting him on
voter rights and on the voter purchase. Because we`ve seen that Hillary
has come out very forcefully defending voting rights especially coming off
of the 50th anniversary of the voting rights act. She was in Texas a
couple months ago receiving a Barbara Jordan award. And she made a very
strong speech saying we`re not going to let the Republican Party keep
chipping away at our voting rights.

So I think this is going to be a constant that we see and it will be
interesting to see what the larger Republican Party does. Are they going
to keep on with their tack of chipping away at voting rights? Or is Jeb
Bush going to say hold your fire, do not go there. You know, I`ve had
enough problems in 2,000.

SHARPTON: Well, the voting rights issue, Angela, is a very pregnant issue
because what many people forget when we began raising it in the civil
rights community and, frankly, on this station about the impact of some of
the new voting laws, 14 of those states don`t go into effect until this
next election. So we haven`t seen even yet the full weight of a lot of the
changing of early voting and changing of voter I.D. laws until the next
election which could in a very close election be decisive.

RYE: Yes, 100 percent. And I think to Victoria`s last point, you know,
the reality of this is the Supreme Court with Shelby V. Holder gutted the
voting rights act.

SHARPTON: Section four, yes.

RYE: Yes, just proposed in the house that would address the voting rights
-- challenges with the voting rights amendment act. We still have a
Republican Congress that doesn`t want to take this up. Why, Rev.? Because
it`s in their best interests. Of course, Jeb Bush is not saying we want to
protect voting rights because the bigger tent, right, that this Republican
Party continues to fail to reach is not on their side. So it is in their
interests, as Victoria mentioned, with the 2000 purge for him to continue
purging and for him to continue suppressing or their party to suppress the

SHARPTON: No, get it. But I think it`s also in the interests of the
Democrats that, since this is the case, make this a real issue.

RYE: A hundred percent.

SHARPTON: And be out front. I think also Victoria, it`s noteworthy, we`ve
got to give credit to Governor Bush and to Dr. Carson did show up because
according to Politico, all of the Republican candidates were invited and
they didn`t -- only two showed up out of what, 16 candidates. What does
that say?

SOTO: You know, I give him tremendous credit, even more so than Hillary
Clinton. Because maybe he won`t move forward on the policies that he spoke
about or that they`ll benefit the minority communities. But the climate
right now in the GOP is such that the actual fact that he came to this
conference I think speaks volumes. At least he`s willing to listen. He
may disagree on policies but he`s there as is Dr. Carson. So I would give
him a lot more props than that than say Hillary did this morning.

SHARPTON: Now, Angela, "the Wall Street Journal" talked today about the
power of the black vote, writing quote "if Mitt Romney had captured 10
percent of the African-American vote, he would have won Florida. Holding
the democratic nominee to roughly 90 percent in Ohio would have put Mr.
Romney within one percent -- or one percentage point of winning. Instead
he won about 3 or 4 percent of the black vote in Florida and Ohio." But
doesn`t this show it wouldn`t take a big swing for a huge impact to happen?

RYE: It wouldn`t take a big swing percentage wise, Rev., but here`s what
we do know about the GOP. It would take a huge swing from a policy
perspective. These folks aren`t hiring people that look like us on their
campaigns. They`re not using vendors that look like us on their campaigns
and they`re certainly not including us in their messaging. If they were,
Jeb Bush would not have gone to the Urban League today not only touting his
gubernatorial policies but still talking about Florida.

Somebody didn`t properly brief him about the fact that this was a national
convening. He needs to be addressing national issues. And of course, he`s
a former governor of that state, but it`s so important.

SHARPTON: Well, he not only addressed that, Victoria, he talked about
phasing out Medicare in the past. Today he went after that and he went as
far as talking about the war on poverty. Watch this.


BUSH: For half a century, this nation has pursued a war on poverty and
massive government programs funded with trillions of taxpayer dollars.
This decades long effort, while well intentioned, has been a losing one.
And the casualties can be counted in the millions who have never had a
chance at work whose families fell victim to drugs and violence in the
crushing of the spirit.


SHARPTON: I mean, as long as he`s going after the safety net, Victoria, I
mean, going after traditional democratic voters and voters of color, isn`t
this really a nonstarter?

SOTO: Quite frankly, Reverend, I have just been flat-out puzzled by his
stance on Medicare because, while, yes, it does affect African-Americans
and Latinos, this is an issue that squarely affects not just white voters
but those blue collar voters that the GOP so depends on. You know, this is
that demographic, that`s that swing voter. And I`m puzzled. I don`t know
what calculus is there because this is a very general issue that I think
can backfire on him, quite frankly.

SHARPTON: Now, let me ask you about another speech today by Hillary
Clinton. She came out about the -- lifting the embargo in Cuba. She
really went after Republicans for refusing to open relations with Cuba.
Let me play this.


CLINTON: Even many Republicans on Capitol Hill are starting to recognize
the urgency of moving forward. It`s time for their leaders to either get
on board or get out of the way. The Cuba embargo needs to go once and for


SHARPTON: She was in Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio`s backyard. How significant
was that that she came out with this strong statement right in their
backyard? Victoria?

SOTO: It`s huge and -- well, here we see her making a play for the young
millennial Cuban-American vote. We know that the very conservative older
generation of Cuban-Americans are solidly with the Republican Party. They
feel very strongly about Fidel. They don`t want to open up relations. But
the children, the grandchildren of these initial exiles are opening up to
Democrats. And while they may not be solid Democratic identifiers, they`re
open to the message. So here I thought this was very smart by Hillary.
She was going after that vote. And I think again we`re going to see this a
consistent message throughout the campaign.

SHARPTON: Angela Rye and Victoria Defrancesco Soto, thank you for your
time and have a great weekend to both of you.

SOTO: You too.

RYE: Thank you, Rev.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, big news in the shooting of an unarmed man in a
traffic stop in Cincinnati. Will any other officers face charges?

Plus, what should happen to parents who leave their kids locked in cars
during this dangerous summer heat?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, sorry. She could have died.


SHARPTON: And we will reveal what Donald Trump was hoping to do with his
helicopter until tell you which top rival admits he was, quote, "surprised"
by Trump`s surge.


SHARPTON: It`s a tradition, a political tradition that says everything
about the chaos raging in the GOP. The Iowa state fair is two weeks away.
And usually we know what to expect. Enormous statues made out of butter,
fried food galore and for politicians there`s a formula. Check out Paul
Ryan meeting a cute kid in 2012. In 2014, Rick Perry took part in the cast
your kernel voting competition. And the pork on a stick, it`s not an
option. Politicians have enjoyed it for years. But this time Donald Trump
is breaking the formula and stirring things up all because of his plan to
travel to the fair in style.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A chopper like this costs between $5 million and $7
million. All the hardware for this seat is 24-karat gold plated to match
the rest throughout the aircraft, 24-karat golden plane, 24-karat golden
leafing. This is his family crest and we want to keep it in gold. It has
the Trump name on it. It has to be the best of the best.


SHARPTON: That`s right. Donald Trump wants to take his helicopter to the
state fair. He told the "Daily Mail," quote, "we`re going to fly it out to
Iowa. I`m going to try giving kids lifts in the helicopter." But Fair
organizers are saying they`re not going to allow it so they can stop him
from swooning in on his chopper. But the GOP can`t stop his momentum
riding into the first debate next week. That`s next.


SHARPTON: Developing news, NBC`s Lester Holt just sat down with GOP
presidential candidate governor Jeb Bush for an exclusive interview. And
he asked the question everyone is wondering about.


LESTER HOLT, NBC NEWS ANCHOR: Did you ever for see a scenario in in which
you would be number two to Donald Trump in the first debate?

BUSH: Well, I didn`t know where I was going to be.

HOLT: You figured you`d be --

BUSH: I don`t know. This is a long haul. So my focus is on what the
world looks like January coming into the February caucuses and primaries.
I was surprised that Donald Trump has surged. I think he`s captured the
deep frustration that people feel. I mean, I get that. I get the lack of
rule of law, the sanctuary cities, the open borders, all those things.
He`s in a very graphic way appealed to people`s anger about those things.
And I think it`s important to be respectful of that, make the case that we
can fix these things. And over time the Trump phenomena will either
succeed or fail based on his proposals.


SHARPTON: Joining me now is former governor and DNC chairman Ed Rendell.
Thank you for being here, governor.


SHARPTON: Jeb Bush said it`s important to be respectful of Trump`s appeal.
What`s your take on that?

RENDELL: Well, I think Jeb Bush wants to be the mature adult in the room
in this debate. He`s not going to engage Donald Trump and I think he`ll
ignore him if Trump says anything about him. He wants to come out of it as
the one who looks the most presidential, the one who sounds the most

But I think this debate is all about Donald Trump. Donald Trump has gotten
where he is by appealing to those disaffected voters. But to get further
and to become a serious candidate for the nomination, he can`t act like a
bomb thrower and trash everyone else in the room. He can`t turn the debate
into a wrestling match.

He`s got to sound like a president. He`s got to give answers that indicate
he knows what he`s talking about. He doesn`t have to give too substantive
answers because he is going to have about ten minutes all total and a-
minute-and-a-half-two-minute bytes. But he has got to be a serious
candidate. He can`t turn it into a side show.

SHARPTON: Now, Politico asked a panel of insiders from New Hampshire and
Iowa about how Jeb Bush should handle Donald Trump in this debate. One of
them said, governor, quote, "the old maxim applies. Never wrestle with a
pig. You get dirty and besides, the pig likes it."

RENDELL: The pig likes it, that`s right.

SHARPTON: So how should Jeb and the other candidates approach Trump?

RENDELL: Well, the ones who are the most credible candidates and are sort
of in the front, Bush, Walker, Rubio, they should basically ignore him and
try to impress the viewers as real potential presidents. The ones who are
down at two percent, 2 1/2, three percent, Chris Christie, Lindsey Graham,
Mike Huckabee, they have nothing to lose but to try to go after Trump and
make headlines by going after Trump.

Lindsey Graham, the only attention he`s gotten since he announced as a
candidate was when he did that humorous ad about destroying his cell phone
after Donald Trump gave out his number. So those three or four I think can
afford to go after him and try to get publicity by being the guy that stood
up to Trump particularly Chris Christie because he`s the tough guy. He`s
the guy that can`t be pushed around. He`s the jersey boy. He`s got push
back and maybe go after Trump. But Bush, Walker, Rubio, they have to act
like presidents.

SHARPTON: Let me try this on you because I said earlier to Alex Wagner,
one of the things that I think they could do is really use the moderators
as a backboard. Chris Wallace and them. Saying, wait a minute, you`re the
moderators, make him answer a specific question. I wouldn`t even argue
with Trump. I would have them enforce. You asked specifically about
health care or criminal justice or your Iran plan. Why don`t you make him
answer like you do us? Because that also plays to his base that is
discontent with the media and government without really doing anything to
him. And you would hope that they have enough self-respect as journalists
not to want to be called out that they`re not making Trump answer specific
policy questions.

RENDELL: Right. But remember, Rev., there are ten candidates, 120
minutes, figure 10, 15 minutes of introductions and thanking people at the
end. So each candidate is going to get 10 or 11 minutes. And that means
tops two minutes a question. So Donald doesn`t have to be very specific
but he`s got to have some good lines to show people he understands the
issue and he has an idea how to get -- resolve those challenges. That`s
his big test. If he acts presidential, strong tough and presidential, he
could soar in this debate. He could absolutely soar.

SHARPTON: Ed Rendell, thank you for your time tonight. Have a good

RENDELL: You too, Rev.

SHARPTON: And you can catch more of Lester Holt`s exclusive interview with
Jeb Bush coming up on "Nightly News" tonight and on "Meet The Press" with
Chuck Todd this Sunday.

Coming up, how can a parent leave a child in a sweltering car? Will anyone
be held responsible? But first, I`m handing out my grades for my weekly
report card. You`ll want to see how Ted Cruz measures up. Next.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s time for Reverend Al`s weekly report card.

SHARPTON: Reverend Al`s summer school is officially in session. And my
first student tonight is Senator Ted Cruz. He`s doubling down on his
criticism of the Iran nuclear deal with some ugly remarks about the Obama


SEN. TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If this deal goes through,
Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and John Kerry will be the leading global
financiers of radical Islamic terrorism on the face of the earth.


SHARPTON: That`s right. He`s calling the president a sponsor of
terrorism. I`m giving him a "T" for terrible. Senator Cruz deserves
after-school detention for this one.

But my next students are an unlikely duo from Los Angeles. A news anchor
and the man who surprises her during a live report. Check this out.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is not a done deal. The international Olympic
committee is also looking at Paris, they`re looking at Rome and they`re
looking at Hamburg, Germany for 2024 and it`s likely one of those
international cities. You scared the -- out of me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m working here, man. What are you doing?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m sorry. OK. Back to you.


SHARPTON: Her reaction was priceless. And so was his. This man gets a B-
plus for best blooper I`ve ever seen.

My next grade goes tonight to civil rights icon John Lewis. He`s at the
top of the class this summer. Earlier this month we saw him re-enact the
iconic Selma march with students at Comicon in San Diego. And this week,
he was playing with puppies on Capitol Hill. He was at an animal welfare
event, Paws for celebration. Congressman Lewis deserves an "A" for
adorable. And it`s all for a great cause.

Thanks to all my students tonight. Class dismissed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s tonight`s edition of Reverend Al`s weekly report


SHARPTON: Time now for the "Justice Files." We start tonight with big
news from Ohio. A grand jury has declined to file charges against two
officers who were on the scene after another officer shot and killed an
unarmed driver in Cincinnati. The prosecutor released video from both of
those officers` body cameras showing Officer Ray Tensing who has now pled
not guilty to murder charges, in the moments after the shooting on the
videos. The officers appear to agree with Tensing`s statement that he was
being dragged by the car. A claim disputed by the prosecutor. Listen.


He was dragging me.

OFFICER KIDD: Yes, I saw that.

TENSING: I thought I was going to get run over. I was trying to stop him.

OFFICER LINDENSCHMIDT: He had a traffic stop. The guy took off on him,
the officer got caught in his car because the guy reached for something he
thought. So he grabbed onto the car. Our officer went down and he got
tangled in the car and drew his gun and fired.


SHARPTON: One of the officers said in a police report that he witnessed
the Honda Accord drag Officer Tensing. But today the prosecutor praised
the grand jury`s decision saying I fully agree with the decision. These
officers were totally cooperative in the investigation and consistent in
their statements. These officers have been truthful and honest about what
happened and no charges are warranted, end of quote.

Joining me now is legal analyst Areva Martin and veteran prosecutor Paul
Henderson. Thank you both for being here tonight. And let me say, when I
say officers, these are University of Cincinnati officers, not Cincinnati
police officers. Just so our viewers are clear.

Areva, what`s your reaction to these two officers not being charged with

AREVA MARTIN, LEGAL ANALYST: Well, I was a little surprised, Reverend Al,
particularly how strong the district attorney came out with respect to the
indictment and the charges filed against the officer that shot and killed
Sam Dubose. I also had a chance to look at the police report. And it`s
very clear that one of the officers had arrived at the scene indicated that
he saw Tensing being dragged by the car and that he shot in response to
that and that and you know that Tensing was in fear of his life. So given
the statements by these officers -- but I think what is probably happening
here is that the district attorney wants to use these officers as witnesses
to support the charges that have been filed, the murder charges that have
been filed against the officer who did kill Sam Dubose, but it`s a little
troubling to know that they made false statements and they`re not being

SHARPTON: So he may be using them as witnesses contrary to their
statements. Let me ask you this, Paul, what do you feel about them not
being charged and the fact that the prosecutor made a strong statement in
support of them? Could that also be a factor in that they may be using
them as witnesses but still it seems to contradict their reports.

PAUL HENDERSON, PROSECUTOR: It goes beyond just contradicting their
report. Because these are not mere adoptive admissions. You heard the
statements and you see the report where he says he actually gets tangled up
in the car handle. No one ever even said that. He`s adding to it. And
that, as we all know, from looking at the video is just a lie, plain and
simple. It did not happen and everyone knows that that did not happen.
And so it is a little bit surprising that we hear the prosecution coming
out saying that he supports and he believes in how this grand jury came
back with the indictment. But I believe that the clearest indication of
those comments and the clearest indication of that behavior is just that.
That he wants to use these officers and he will be using these officers
against the ultimate prosecution that`s still pending against tensing.

SHARPTON: Now, let me ask you this, Paul, Officer Tensing was fired after
he was indicted on murder charges Wednesday. But today the union
representing the University of Cincinnati police, they filed a grievance on
his behalf demanding he get his job back. They say, quote, "Officer
Tensing was terminated without just cause for an on-duty fatal shooting
while Officer Tensing was indicted on a charge of murder, the indictment is
not a conviction," end of quote. And they`re asking for all back pay and
benefits including sick time, vacation time, holidays, pension,
contributions. Do they have a case, Paul?

HENDERSON: No, this is ridiculous. It`s just ridiculous. They can
actually file whatever they want to. And that`s the way our legal system
works. But for an employment contract like this, there are generally two
tracks. You`re either at-will and you can be released at any time unless
there are some discriminatory indications that you`re being released that
way, or for cause. So in this case the for cause is so clear because
within the scope of your work, if you are acting or showing behavior or
exhibit behavior especially if it arises to the level of criminal behavior
where you can actually be charged, you are well within your rights as an
employer to interminate someone. So in this situation where we have
someone acting on behalf of public safety that acts inappropriately and
kills and shoots someone, using lethal force while supposedly protecting
public safety, that`s so much of a basis and so clearly a grounds, the fact
that he was charged and is being criminally prosecuted for murder --

SHARPTON: It gives them grounds.

HENDERSON: Just exact grounds.

SHARPTON: Areva -- is this a nonstarter, Areva?

MARTIN: No, I have to disagree with Paul. There are some circumstances
that we have to take into consideration with respect to this case. This
University of Cincinnati police officer`s employment is governed by a
collective bargaining agreement.

HENDERSON: That is correct.

MARTIN: And I had a chance to look at the memorandum of understanding
between the union and the university and the contract is pretty clear that
there had to be a hearing and there had to be due process rights afforded
to this officer before this termination could take place. And the contract
goes as far as to say even if you`re indicted for a felony, you have to be
placed on paid administrative leave --

SHARPTON: That says that in the contract?

MARTIN: It says that in the contract. Pending the outcome of the legal
proceedings. So I think this officer may have a pretty good chance of
getting reinstated.

SHARPTON: We`re going to really have to stay on top of this and watch
this, if that`s in the contract. But I want to get to an issue that`s
getting a lot of attention this week because of the heat wave. This week
two more children were left in hot cars by themselves. NBC`s Stephanie
Gosk has the latest.



STEPHANIE GOSK, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cell phone video
shows a police officer pulling a crying toddler to safety in a New Jersey
parking lot Thursday afternoon. After bystanders and later another officer
tried to break into the scorching hot car.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s soaking wet.

GOSK: Just a minute later, the toddler`s mother returns to the car with a
full shopping cart and another child.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this your child? You left her in the car.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, sorry, sorry.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No sorry, she could have died.

GOSK: She was later arrested for child endangerment. It`s the latest in a
series of incidents where police and bystanders have taken matters into
their own hands after seeing kids left alone in hot cars.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, God! I can`t believe I did that.

GOSK: On Tuesday, Oklahoma mother Hannah Secondi screamed in panic after a
couple found her one-year-old daughter in the backseat of the vehicle.
Secondi says, her child was alone in the car for 45 minutes while she was
shopping. And according to the police report the temperature inside the
car reached above 120 degrees. The child was treated at a nearby hospital
and released a day later. Her mother was arrested and charged with child


SHARPTON: Paul, one mother released from custody. One charged with child
endangerment. What is the standard for holding a parent liable?

HENDERSON: Well, this is what the law does is try and evaluate and measure
negligence against a standard of care. And when you`re a parent, it`s a
really high standard of care when you put a child in danger of death. And
that`s exactly what this is. So the law`s just balancing whether or not
this is a mistake versus what the outcome negatives can be in terms of
having a child die. So that`s why you see her get charged.

SHARPTON: Areva, "The Washington Post" reports that 40 percent, about 40
percent of child hot car deaths are ruled accidental. Now, how do they
decide if it`s an accident or a crime, Areva?

MARTIN: Well, we`ve seen some cases Reverend Sharpton where people have
actually been criminally charged and convicted for leaving children in
cars. Again, the question is, what did the parents intend to do? What was
their contact before the child was left in the car? And how did they
respond after realizing the child was left? Unfortunately, these are very,
very difficult cases. But I agree. Some of these cases the parents need
to be prosecuted and we need more awareness so that parents know how to
avoid this situation happening. We talk about putting your handbag, your
purse or something next to that child seat so that when you get out of your
car, it`s impossible for you to get out without recognizing that that child
is in the backseat in a car seat. So, you know, these are horrible cases.
I think there needs to be more awareness. And sometimes definitely
prosecution of parents.

Areva Martin and Paul Henderson, thank you both for your time tonight.

HENDERSON: Thanks so much for having us, Rev.

MARTIN: Thanks, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Coming up, want to know where Donald Trump stands on the issues?
Read his books, all eight of them. We`ll talk to a man who did just that.

But first, the White House is calling Tom Cotton an international man of
mystery. And that puts him right into tonight`s gotcha.

You guys, we`re in the middle of a heat wave here in New York City, and
temperatures are supposed to be in the 90s for the next several days.
Donald Trump was so mad about the weather, he actually gave away Al Roker`s
personal phone number.


SHARPTON: It`s a spy story fit for the silver screen. GOP Senator Tom
Cotton has been a vocal critic of President Obama`s nuclear deal with Iran.
He claims there are secrets the White House isn`t telling us.


SEN. TOM COTTON (R), ARKANSAS: I want to discuss the two secret side deals
between the IAEA and Iran. I had to travel to Vienna last weekend to
discover the existence of these side deals. The administration has now
confirmed their existence.


SHARPTON: If the administration confirmed these secrets exist, are they
really secrets at all? The White House Press Secretary had a little fun
with Senator Cotton yesterday.


Cotton, the republican international man of mystery, discovered when he
traveled to Vienna. So this information has been put out.


SHARPTON: International man of mystery. Is he saying that Tom Cotton is
the new Austin Powers?

This could be Senator Cotton`s new job. I hear Dr. Evil is getting ready
to blow up the world with a giant laser unless he gets paid right away.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we hold the world ransom for $1 million.


SHARPTON: Senator Cotton, your new spy standard sure is groovy. Maybe you
can teach your Senate colleagues some new skills.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, behave! Yes. Yes, baby! Yes.


SHARPTON: Did Tom Cotton think we wouldn`t notice he`s Washington`s newest
secret agent man? Nice try, but we got you.


SHARPTON: Donald Trump has been on the national stage for decades. By now
we know that he usually says exactly what`s on his mind.


SHARPTON: Donald Trump has been on the national stage for decades. And by
now we know that he usually says exactly what`s on his mind.


TRUMP: I think the world would unite if I were the leader of the United
States. I`d like China. I`d sell apartment for ten -- I just sold an
apartment for $15 million to somebody from China.

Hillary Clinton was secretary of state. She was the worst secretary of
state in the history of our country. The world blew apart during her

Rick Perry should have to have an IQ test before getting on the debate
stage. And I see your senator. What a stiff. What a stiff. Lindsey
Graham. Jeb will be very poor as a president. No energy.

I`m really rich. I`ll show you in a second.


SHARPTON: But who is Donald Trump really? What`s it like to be inside his
head? Well, my next guest might have some insight. He spent the last week
reading every single one of Donald Trump`s books. So the rest of us
wouldn`t have to. And reported back on what he`s learned. There are eight
books including "The Art of The Deal," "How to Get Rich" and "Think Like a
Billionaire," 2,416 pages. There could reveal the inner workings of the
man who is now literally on center stage in the GOP presidential race.

Joining me now is Carlos Lozada, associate editor and book critic for "The
Washington Post." Thanks for being here.


SHARPTON: All of Trump`s books in one week? I mean, should I offer you
congratulations or condolences? I mean, what was the experience like?

LOZADA: You can offer me both.


LOZADA: I should note you`ve given me too much credit. Trump has actually
written 17 books, if you can believe that. I chose eight to try to get a
sense of the guy. What it`s like? Well, I thought that the discipline,
the act of writing a book might render Trump a little more tempered, more
reflective, but I think if anything it doesn`t dilute him. It sort of
concentrates him. I mean, it`s trumpier than ever. One thing you see
right away is that he seems to hold a lot of grudges. He goes after people
in pretty sort of nasty terms insulting people. Now, they could be famous
people who he feels have wronged him some way, often journalists. But he
just says, hey, you know, the Rolling Stone, they`re a bunch of jerks.
Also, he might --

SHARPTON: So that`s not just something new in this political season.
That`s him. He`s basically pretty thin skinned as one would say?

LOZADA: He remembers when he feels someone has wronged him. And it could
be -- sometimes it`s people who are very well known. Often it`s just sort
of random banking executives or lawyers who disappointed him along the way.
And he`ll go after them by name, you know, in a pretty aggressive way.

SHARPTON: Let me ask you this. This is what Donald Trump thinks it would
take to be a good president. I`m quoting him here. Look, I do deals, big
deals, all the time. We need a dealmaker in the White House. But he also
wrote that, quote, "The same assets that excite me in the chase often, once
they are acquired, leave me bored. For me, you see, the important thing is
the getting, not the having." From your readings, is Trump more interested
in the thrill of the hunt rather than capturing it, is he more into running
for president and really doesn`t want to be president?

LOZADA: You know, that`s the question I raise at the end of this piece
that I wrote for the "Post." He seems most energized, as he puts it, by
the chase, whether it`s the next property, the next battle. I`m sure he
would love to campaign and to win in part so he can sort of rub it in
everyone`s noses. And frankly, I would love to read his campaign memoir.
But he seems to get bored once he gets what he wants. He`s always moving
on to the next thing. So I think that`s an open question. I think if he
down the road ends up withdrawing from the race, we may hear something like

SHARPTON: So we don`t know much more about him in terms of what is behind
the bombast and what is behind the flamboyance. We don`t know much more
reading his books than we know watching him every day.

LOZADA: You know, one thing that I thought was interesting, that I sort of
picked up on when I was reading is that he gets mocked a little bit for
naming everything after himself. Right? Trump tower, Trump plaza, his gut
was the Trump princess, he says, it`s about branding. But one thing that I
thought was interesting in these books is that, he really has almost a
personal intimate relationship with these properties, the way he talks
about them. You know, he says, oh, first time I saw, you know, 40 Wall
Street I was mesmerized by its beauty. You know, or he says Trump tower
was like an old friend, always there for me. These are very personal
feelings he has often, you know, closer I think than to some of the people
in his life. And I think that`s part of why they all carry his name.

SHARPTON: All right. Carlos Lozada, what a feat, eight books on Donald
Trump in a week. Now I guess you can start on the rest of the 17.

LOZADA: I`m going after the other candidates.

SHARPTON: All right. That`s a deal.

LOZADA: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Let me know. Thank you for your time tonight. Have a good
weekend. Coming up, some big news about the confederate flag. Still a big
controversy today.


SHARPTON: Finally tonight, slow but steady progress in the fight against
hate. In Charleston today tense moments inside of courtroom as Dylann Roof
faced 33 federal charges. Roof`s lawyer says his client wanted to plead
guilty but that he advised Roof not to because prosecutors haven`t taken
the death penalty off the table. As a result, Roof entered a not guilty
plea. He`s accused of killing nine parishioners at a historically black
church in Charleston. Now we`re seeing the legal process unfold, and we`re
also seeing something larger. A country confronting its past. In Virginia
today, a judge ruled the state can remove the confederate flag from license
plates. It`s a positive step forward. But elsewhere we continue to deal
with these issues.

In Atlanta this week, four confederate flags were found on the grounds of
Dr. Martin Luther King`s former church, Ebenezer Baptist. Police are now
calling the act a hate crime and investigating their surveillance footage
showing two men they believe placed the flags Thursday morning. But as we
move forward, step by step, even incremental steps, we should not be
surprised when there will be those that try to cling to the past.
Sometimes things that we change die hard but let us cling to the new birth
of a new day and not be distracted by old ideas that are dying out.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.


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