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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: July 31, 2015
Guest: Nina Turner, Roni Whitfield, John Nichols

MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans, welcome to the Ed
Show live from Miami, Florida.

I`m Michael Eric Dyson in for Ed Schultz.

Let`s get to work.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tonight, race matters.

FRM. GOV. JEB BUSH, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I want to work with the Urban
League movement to end this injustice once and for all.

HILLARY CLINTON, FRM. U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: The real test of a
candidate`s commitment is not whether we come to speak at your national
conference, as important as that is. It is whether we`re still around
after the cameras are gone and the votes are counted.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Plus, convincing evidence.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Debris found on Reunion Island thousands of miles
from the search zone now heading to France.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will it reveal any clues as to what happened to MH370?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And money, money, money.

PRES. BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I for one cannot wait to see
who the Koch brothers pick. It is exciting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looks like the Koch brothers` favorite is Scott Walker.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: Presidential candidates were down here in Fort Lauderdale today
making their pitch at the National Urban League Conference. I was at that
event. The theme to this year conference is save our cities, education,
jobs and justice. Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton was quick to
discuss racial inequality.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINON: The opportunity gap that America is facing is not just about
economic inequality. It is about racial inequality.

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DYSON: Clinton went on to list disturbing statistics about racial
inequality in America.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: African-Americans are nearly three times as likely as whites to
be denied a mortgage or how in 2013 the median wealth for white families
was more than $134,000. But for African-American families, it was just
$11,000. A lot of people don`t realize that our schools are more
segregated today than they were in 1968.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: Clinton also addressed voting rights, prison sentencing and
disparities in healthcare when it comes to race. Vermont Senator Bernie
Sanders also spoke at todays even. He addressed the heated topic of
policing in America.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I-VT) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Across our nation, as
all of you know and we see almost every day, too many African-Americans and
other minorities finding themselves subjected to a system that treats
citizens who have not committed crimes as if they were criminals.

A growing number of communities throughout this country do not trust the
police. And police have become disconnected from the communities they are
sworn to protect. When I was mayor of Burlington, Vermont, the largest
city in the state, one of the things we did and I believe this very
strongly, is we moved towards community policing. Community policing means
that police are part of the community, not seen as oppressors in the
community. And that is the direction that we have got to move.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: Sanders also spoke about the need for sentencing reform.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BERNIE: We must end the incarceration of nonviolent young Americans who do
not pose a serious threat to our society. It is an international
embarrassment that we have more people in jail than any other country. It
is an obscenity that we stigmatize so many young Americans with a criminal
record for smoking marijuana but oddly enough not one major Wall Street
executive has been prosecuted for causing the near collapse of our entire
economy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: Presidential candidate Martin O`Malley was also at the Urban League
conference. He made clear America has a long way to go when it comes to
racial equality.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARTIN O`MALLEY, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We`ve moved towards more
equal justice and more equal protection under the law but we are not there
yet. Every headline or video of official abuse, injustice and difference,
killing or murder reminds us of how far we still have to go. Every story
reminds us that Americans of color must endure a constant state of random
vulnerability even when they are just driving to work. And all of us must
ask how many individuals like Sandra Bland have been subject to abusive
arrest when the cameras were not rolling. How many names will we never
know?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: Martin O`Malley wasn`t the only one to address racial equality.
Two Republicans were also at the conference today. Jeb Bush actually had
some kind words for President Obama.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BUSH: When President Obama says that `for too long we`ve been blind to the
way past injustices continue to shape the present," he is speaking the
truth. We should be just as candid about our failures in addressing
injustices of the more recent origin. In our cities we`ve got so many
people that have never known anything but poverty. So many young adults
with no vision of a life beyond the life they know. It`s a tragedy for
them in such a loss to our country because everyone has a God-given purpose
to live out and God-given talents that this world needs. Every one of them
was also promised at least one-day break in life in the form of a public
school to help them learn who they`re and what they can do.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: Jeb Bush also tallied (ph) is record as Governor of Florida.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BUSH: Leaders know that there are plenty of tough calls we have to make,
so we should not be wasting time agonizing over the easy ones. So, 14
years ago when the question was whether to keep the Confederate Flag on the
grounds of the Florida state capitol I said no and put it in a museum where
it belongs. Another easy call was reaching out for talent wherever i found
it for my cabinet and staff, state agencies, and the courts. Look, you`re
not going to get good judgment in government when everybody comes from the
same life experience. We increased the number of black Floridians serving
in the judiciary by 43 percent. And I was particularly proud that during
my governorship, the state`s use of minority owned businesses tripled. You
can`t serve all of the people unless you represent all of the people. And
we did it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: We should point out governor Jeb Bush brought Florida the
controversial stand your ground law. Dr. Ben Carson spoke today as well.
The only African-American running for president spoke about creating wealth
in the black community.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BEN CARSON, GOP PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We need to start thinking about
economics, particularly in the inner cities. You know in the black
community in America there`s over $1 trillion worth of assets. More assets
than the vast majority of countries in the world. We have to learn to use
that appropriately. You have to turn your own dollars over in your own
community two or three times before you sent it out. That`s how wealth is
created. And then you can`t take that wealth and flee with it. You have
to reach back and pull other people along. And if you do that, you have
the ability. We have the ability within the black community to do enormous
things on our own.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: Carson also described his own rise from poverty saying America is a
place of dreams.

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Will racial inequality be a major issue in the 2016 presidential
race?" Go to pulse.msnbc.com/ED to cast your vote. I`ll bring the results
later in the in the show.

For more let me bring Nina turner, a former Ohio State Senator, and Dr.
James Peterson, an MSNBC Contributor and Director of Africana Studies at
Lehigh University.

Professor, you first. Your reaction to Jeb Bush`s remarks on President
Obama speaking the truth.

JAMES PETERSON, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Well I think it`s nice that he sort of
gave a little bit of endorsement to President Obama. But I think former
Governor Bush`s record in the state of Florida is not just staying your
ground. Other policies that he implemented over the course of his tenure
there, I think should be called to the question especially in the context
of political discourse of how we save our cities.

When I listen to all of the speeches from presidential candidates, very,
very short on specifics how we actually get into cities and save our
cities. Obviously policing is a big part of that. Education is a big part
of that. But for example, you know, choice in schools and the charter
school movement has been bankrupting some of our public school systems and
undermining the, sort of, impulse to take to scale good practices and best
practices when it comes to public schools. And those policies we`ve seen
Governor Bush should advocate for in the state of Florida may not work so
well how with e move forward and make progress within our cities.

Across all the speeches, doc, I felt like they were very, very short on
specifics on how we save our cities. That is the directive of the 2015
Urban League Convention.

DYSON: Senator in light of what Professor Peterson just indicated about
the potential record of the people to come and short on specifics, what do
you think about Jeb Bush`s record, what he actually did as governor of
Florida?

NINA TURNER, (D) FMR. OHIO STATE SENATOR: Well, in fact I`m amen in
everything Dr. Peterson had to say. You know, they spoke the language of
the audience they were addressing. It was nice to hear Governor Bush give
a shout out to the president but where was he when his party was
disrespecting our President, not just because they disagree with issues but
they just disrespect it the first African-American president because he is
African-American.

So they talk the talk. But I want to caution voters, especially those who
are at the Urban League event, to not just listen to what the candidates
had to say. We have to speak words into the universe. That`s a beautiful
thing. But what they say, what have they done? Those who have been in
elected office before. And what will they do? That we cannot get seduced.
We can`t Kibbles `n Bits (ph) we want some real policies initiatives that
invest money. As Dr. Peterson pointed it out Governor Bush signed that
first Stand Your Ground law. You know signed that first law. And so, that
is very problematic for the African-American community for urban
communities when it comes to guns and the relationship with guns. So, they
all talk the talk but are they going to walk the walk.

DYSON: Well, speaking of walk the walk, Professor Peterson. Bernie
Sanders is struggling with African-American voters. Whether does he have
to do to turn things around? Because he seems ideally suited and situated
to speak too many of the economic inequalities that prevail. But seems to
be a bit more tone deaf when it comes to dealing with issues of race more
specifically.

PETERSON: Well, he`s attempted to make the adjustment in response to what
happened to him at the Netroots conference a few weeks back. But to be
honest with you, doc, the reality here is that all of these candidates seem
a little bit tone deaf when it comes to the Black Lives Matter movement.
And they`ve got to understand that that`s a very diverse group of young
voters who are enthusiastic, who are politically engaged and they are
completely disenchanted with the entire slate of candidates being offered.

The reality is that it`s not just about race being front and center for
some of these activists. It is about intersectionality, what really
capturing the true identity of what America is and being able to put into
place policies that acknowledge that sort of diversity and the
intersectional identities that populate this country the 21st century.

DYSON: Tell us a bit more about Peterson was speaking.

PETERSON: Was speaking authentically to that.

DYSON: All right, speak about Peter example your got.

PETERSON: The intersectionality is when you think about the confluence of
different subjectivities and identities. So being black and Latino, or
being LGBT and Native American. There are so many folks who have multiple
identities that have to live and breathe at the same time. You know, one
of the challenges for the Black Lives Matter movement is to state her name
initiative, which is getting black women at the forefront of conversation
about police brutality. And use of excessive force. That`s an
intersectional issue.

And so these candidates are not very intersectional themselves but they`ve
got to be able to speak that language. And like Senator Turner is saying,
they have to walk that walk and show through policies and actions not just
rhetoric that they are in support of this young burgeoning movement that is
really challenging political s today. To rise up and acknowledge that
Black Lives Matter in that sort of intersectional sense.

DYSON: Sure, to underscore one of the positive contributions made by
Senator Sanders, Senator Turner, what to you make of Bernie Sanders
comments on mass incarceration?

TURNER: Oh, he got down with the show enough get down. And I want to
recommend the reading of the new Jim Crow which I know my -- it`s
intellectuals tonight have read that book doctors. But the new Jim Crow,
you know, Senator Sanders really laser focused on what is one of the stains
of this country and that is mass incarceration. So he spoke the truth on
that.

And, you know, Senator Sanders does have a record of have been fighting for
civil rights over his lifetime. What he needs to do and all the candidates
need to do is connect what they have done with what they will do. And Dr.
Peterson is right. Just saying Black Lives Matter. Everybody is saying it
now, but what are you going to do about it, because Black Lives have always
mattered. We have freedom fighters across the ages that knew that black
lives matter.

You know, Sojourner Truth knew that black lives matter. Freddy Douglas
(ph) knew. The Freedom Riders who were those 20 something of the 60s, they
understood that Black Lives Matter. We in the African-American community
get that very clearly. What we need are the candidates who are running for
the presidency to understand that and do something about it.

DYSON: All right. Professor Peterson. Will the issue of policing be
front and center in 2016? Because when you talk about Black Lives Matter
we know the burgeoning movement grew out primarily of contesting police
authority and the degree to which it was viciously deployed against black,
gay, lesbian, straight, young bodies.

PETERSON: Doc, young people, progressives and others are going to make it
become front and center. This is an issue that obviously has life and
death consequences. And if anyone who is running for president, if you
have been paying attention to the news at all, paying attention to the sort
organized, sit-ins, die-ins, all the actions across this nation that are
supporting, reforming if not, it totally abolishing the current criminal
justice system. You`ve got to step up the president himself. Had to step
out on that mass incarceration speech a couple weeks back would suggests to
me that the sort of national attention around the issue of criminal justice
reform is such that every presidential candidate needs that on their
platform.

If they don`t have people in their camp right now who can speak
specifically to these issue, provide them data on these issues so they can
speak eloquently and forcefully about the kind of reforms we need the place
to save people`s lives and reform our criminal justice system in way
equitable and actually treats people like they`re human beings then they do
not need to be running for president of the United States.

TURNER: Amen.

DYSON: All right, Senator Turner, stay with us. Professor Peterson, thank
you so much for your time tonight.

Remember to answer tonight`s question at pulse.msnbc.com/ED. We`ll have
the results after the break.

The officer charged with killing an unarmed man during a traffic stop in
Cincinnati, wants his job back. And officials are getting closer to
solving one of the greatest aviation mysteries ever.

More on that ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

DYSON: Here is where we stand on tonight`s Bing Pulse poll. Tonight`s
question, "Will racial inequality be a major issue in the 2016 presidential
race?" Keep voting throughout the hour at pulse.msnbc.com/ED.

We`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

DYSON: Welcome back. Many are still asking questions about the fatal
shoots of an unarmed motorist. Samuel DuBose was pulled over in his
vehicle during a July 19th traffic stop. By Officer Ray Tensing, a body
camera on the officer recorded the events that led to DuBose`s death.
Officer Ray Tensing has pleaded not guilty to the shooting death of Samuel
DuBose.

NBC`s Rehema Ellis has the latest.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REHEMA ELLIS, NBC CORRESPONDING: Wearing a very different uniform, former
University of Cincinnati Police Officer Ray Tensing entered court with his
hands shackled.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You understand you have been charged with one count
of murder and one count of voluntary manslaughter.

RAY TENSING, FRM. CINCINNNATI POLICE OFFICER: Yes, your honor.

ELLIS: Pleading not guilty the shooting death of Samuel DuBose, an unarmed
black motorist pulled over for a missing license plate. Bail was set at $1
million. The courtroom erupted.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ladies and gentlemen. This is a courtroom.

ELLIS: Tensing`s body camera captured the deadly encounter. After he
doesn`t produce his license, Tensing asks DuBose to take off his seat belt.
The officer appears to reach for the door.

TENSING: Go ahead and take your seat belt off.

ELLIS: Seconds later he shoots DuBose in the head and appears to fall. A
second video released today of the body camera of another officer shows
tensing on the ground. Tensing`s attorney says it was self defense.

STEW MATTHEW, REY TENSING ATTORNEY: He thought he was going to die. He
thought he`d be suck under that car and run over her. It was pulling way
from him.

ELLIS: The prosecutor`s office says it`s investigating other officers.
Today two officers, one of whom supports Tensing claimed that he was
dragged were placed on administrative leaf. I sat with DuBose` family.

AUDREY DUBOSE, SAMUEL DOBOSE MOTHER: He`s a cold-blooded shot him for no
reason at all. I saw it. I saw it with my eyes.

ELLIS: They remember Sam as a peaceful man.

TERINA ALLEN, SAMUEL DUBOSE SISTER: He loved all his kids and day loved
him. They love him so much.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: That was Rehema Ellis of NBC News. Ray Tensing was released from
jail on Thursday evening after his father posted a 10 percent bond deposit.

Joining me now is MSNBC reporter Sarah Dallof. What`s the mode on ground
there Ms. Dallaof?

SARAH DALLOF, MSNBC REPORTER: Well good evening, Michael. You know,
people here on the ground saying that the indictment of Ray Tensing is a
good first step. But they want to see the follow through. They want to
see a trial. And many people tell us they want to see conviction. There
was a lot of frustration when Ray Tensing was bailed out of jail. People
before including family members have told us they didn`t think a million
dollars was high enough for the crimes he`s charged with. One count of
murder, one count of voluntary manslaughter.

Here at the courthouse tonight there will be a rally hosted by Black Lives
Matter. A similar event a couple of days ago drew crowd of 3 to 400
people. It was peaceful in keeping with the wishes of DuBose`s family.

DYSON: So have law enforcement officials may any further comments about
the officers placed on leave today?

DALLOF: They have. They said that they will continue to be on paid
administrative leave while the internal investigation continues. This is
an internal investigation by the department. It is separate from the
county case. There`s no word on when that will be wrapped up. The
prosecutor also announced that a grand jury is ignoring charges of
obstruction of justice that could have potentially been filed against these
two officers.

Now here`s where the statements conflict. You know, in the incident report
and in some of the body camera video remarks caught on camera, you can hear
at least one of the officers appear to support Tensing`s claim that he had
been dragged by DuBose`s car. But the prosecutor says there was some
confusion when they drew up that incident report and when it came time to
make sworn statements and testimony before the grand jury neither officer
said he saw Tensing being dragged by DuBose car.

DYSON: Very convenient. And of course in defense of their own status
there it makes sense for them to revise their statements. What is next for
officer Tensing?

DALLOF: Well like you mentioned, he has made bail. His father posted it
for him last night. He did not return to his home. He`s attorney had
indicated earlier to us that was very unlikely did not feel it was a safe
place. He is due back in court on August 19th. That`s kind of a routine
scheduling hearing for this case and we`ll see where things go from here.
A lot of people here on the street determined to keep Sam DuBose`s name in
headlines just as much as the officer accused in his murder. Back to you.

DYSON: Thank you Sarah Dallof. Thank you very much.

I want to bring back Senator Nina Turner, former State Senator from Ohio.
Senator, what are you hearing from the community since Officer Tensing has
been released on bond?

TURNER: Well doc, there`s a heaviness. There`s an unrestless -- there`s a
restlessness that is going on because as reported the community is very
concerned about justice prevailing. The indictment certainly is a good
start. But people are really concerned because they have seen incidences
like this -- situations like this I should say, where police officers have
been indicted but they have not necessarily been convicted. So there is a
heaviness in the city of Cincinnati and a heaviness in the State of Ohio
and I would dare say a heaviness all across the nation.

DYSON: Very small percentage of police people who are ultimately held
legally accountable for the deaths of the civilians in that regard. So,
what do the people of Ohio want to hear during this very sensitive time?

TURNER: More of the transparency and accountability that is required that
we should demand of our law enforcement officers. You know, doc, Governor
Kasich put together a task force on community police relations of which I
am one of the co-chairs and now we have a collaborative going.

But one of the things we heard from a young African-American man as we
traveled the state. He said, you know, you talk about the no-snitch
culture among the criminal element but no a lot of folks talk about the no-
snitch culture among police. So back to point as BMA (ph) about the two
law enforcement officers that came on the scene and what they said they
witnessed, what witnessed and what they didn`t witness and whether or not
they were agreeing with officer Tensing even though they were not there.

We need good police officers of which the majority of them are. My son is
police officer, but we need good police officers to stand up and say "We
will fight against any law enforcement officer that is not honoring the
badge and the oath of office that we have taken. And that communities all
across this country, but particularly the African-American community, there
is a need to rebuild that divide, the bridge. We`ve got to bridge the gap
between that trust that has been lost.

And none of this is in the figment of the imagination of African-Americans
folks. I mean doc you remember in 2009 when Professor Gates was arrested
on his own porch. You know, where can African-American people go to get
justice? Sandra Bland in her own car. She couldn`t smoke her cigarette.
And now we have Mr. DuBose in a situation where he didn`t have a front
license plate and then he`s shot in the head. There is something eerily
wrong with that in the United States of America.

DYSON: With no question, there`s an interesting parallel of course between
the no-snitch law on the streets and the kind of thin or thick blue line
that separates police people from civilians. In 2001 civil unrest followed
the death of an unarmed black man at the hands of police if you remember.

TURNER: Yeah.

DYSON: So how has the death of 19-year-old Timothy Thomas and informed how
the shooting has been handled so far?

TURNER: I mean, Cincinnati has certainly grown. You know, they created
the collaborative behind that what happened in 2001. And I am really proud
of what the Cincinnati has done. The city -- the city police. Now there`s
a difference between the university of Cincinnati police department and the
city of Cincinnati`s department.

But I think that every law enforcement agency certainly in Ohio but across
the country can take a page out of that book. Because it really is about
not only the training. I heard the chief of police in Cincinnati say
training is one thing. But what is your makeup? What is your mentality?
How do you police? Do you understand and believe in the people that you
are policing? Or do you see them as the other? This is really about
cultivating strong relationships between the police and the community.

And I`ve got to tell you something, doc. This didn`t just start. And
police are really a reflection of what is going on in America that while
we`re seeing this play out at the hands of law enforcement, we know that
racism and particularly institutional racism is in the DNA of this country.
And we all have a collective responsibility to do something about it.

DYSON: Senator Turner, thank you so much for joining us here today.

TURNER: Thanks.

DYSON: Plane wreckage now confirmed to be from a Boeing 777 could be the
key to solving the mystery of the missing Malaysian Airlines Flight.

The details next.

Plus, two mothers arrested after leaving their toddlers locked in cars
during the hottest weeks of the year. That story is ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

DYSON: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Investigators are still working to
determine if a wing fragment found on the beach on Reunion Island in the
Indian Ocean is from Malaysian Airline Flight MH370.

The airplane part is being sent to France where it will be analyzed in
special defense facilities. It will take at least another day to learn new
information. The wing fragment is expected to arrive in France on Saturday
morning.

NBC`s Bill Neely has the latest.

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BILL NEELY, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: This is the rocky beach at Saint Andre
with that piece of aircraft debris was found and where they`re still
searching for more. Police and local people looking for any more evidence,
any clues that that might point to where this debris came from.

This is the man who found the debris and a suit case nearby and more items
this morning.

Well, Johnny has just found this bottle on the beach. And the reason it`s
interesting is that from Indonesia. No Indonesian products are sold on
this island. He believes it`s possible that it has come across the Indian
Ocean from a plane. They also just find a bottle of water from China and
most of the passengers on board MH370 were Chinese.

Well, they`re searching this coastline not only by land but also by air.
That helicopter scouring the coastline looking for more debris. And out at
sea there are fishing boats and a coast guard ship looking for anything
that might have come from an aircraft.

For the families of those on board MH370, the discovery of the debris here
brings mixed emotions. Some hope it will bring closure. Others fear it`s
the end of their last hope. Those on the island here simply hope that they
can do more to help solve this enduring mystery.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: For more let me bring in Tom Costello, an NBC News Correspondent.
Tom, please give us the latest.

TOM COSTELLO, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Well listen, right now this piece, this
flaperon that we`ve been talking about for the last couple of day, that
piece that was sitting on the island there in reunion is on its way to
France expected to a alive Toulouse, France probably midday or so maybe
afternoon French time.

This is a lab that deals extensively with accidence investigation just one
of the best in the world. So French investigators will get their first
chance to look at this piece and then in addition Boeing is telling us that
they planning to send a team to assist investigators looking at this piece.
As NBC News has already reported most investigators are very confident that
this is in fact from a Boeing 777. And it is almost certainly from
Malaysia Flight 370.

The final word though will come from French investigators. And they`re
going to be looking at the defamation marks if you can say that the dense
on the metal, any indication whether what type of crash this particular
piece may have experienced. In other words, it was part of a wing. But
did that wing experience a violent a fast as, a high speed approach and
crash or was a lower speed event.

Also what about how it was ripped from the rest of the wing? Is there
anything they can tell from that? Any signs of all with fire, scorch mark,
explosive residue. All of that will be on there. And you see the
barnacles hanging off of this flaperon. They`re going to be looking at
that to see if the marine biology on that flaperon tells them anything
about the origins of where this might have begun its journey. Can they say
it started over in the eastern Indian Ocean as suspected and then made its
way all the way around the Indian Ocean basin until it arrived off the
coast of Reunion near Madagascar?

They`ve got a lot of work ahead of them. But here`s the deal, Michael. It
almost doesn`t matter as much right now what they can get off of this
particular wing flaperon because they`re not going to get a whole lot.
They know that. And they probably won`t get enough to tell them what was
the journey that it took through the Indian Ocean?

Investigators are missing the critical components. They`re missing the
black boxes, the cockpit voice recorder, the flight data recorder and it`s
really going to be the flight data recorder that tells them the tale of
Flight 370. And that`s of course at the bottom we believe of the ocean.
Two to three miles down. And so until they can find the bulk of the
wreckage and then maybe using submersibles and a submarine claw through
their way through the wreckage and find that black box. Until that happens
we`re probably not going to know why Flight 370 disappeared and where
exactly its final resting place is.

So this is a very long process investigated process. The Australians still
believe that 370 probably lies 1,200 miles or so off the Australian coast
in the Indian Ocean and they`re working hard to try to locate it. Back to
you.

DYSON: Tom Costello. Thank you so much for that comprehensive report.

Still to come on the Ed Show, why Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker could
ruin elections as we know them in this country forever. More ahead on that
ahead.

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Market Wrap.

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giant hosted earnings have fell short of estimates. Exxon`s results in
fact were its worst in six years, Chevron the worst in nearly 13 years.

And UPS shares gain that nearly 1 percent today. The company is buying
Coyote Logistic for $1.8 billion.

That`s it from CNBC, where first in business worldwide.

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DYSON: Welcome back. Blistering temperatures ruled the last week of July.
Cities around the nation are experiencing heat advisories. The summer sun
is intensified the parallels of a dangerous practice. Parents have been
charged with child endangerment and abuse for leaving children unattended
in hot cars.

NBC News Mark Barger has the report.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh god. I can`t believe I did that.

MARK BARGER, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: A distraught mother in Oklahoma now
facing child abuse charges after bystanders noticed her one-year-old
daughter alone, on a scorching hot vehicle on Tuesday.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I said to Jay, I said what was that sound?

BARGER: Police rescued the child. New Jersey authorities saved another
Thursday.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s soaking wet.

BARGER: From a hot car in a Hackensack parking lot. But five years ago
Reggie McKinnon`s 18-month-old daughter was not so fortunate.

REGGIE MCKINNON, PAYTON`S FATHER: To my horror I realized Payton was still
in her car seat.

BARGER: he died after being left all day in McKinnon`s sweltering SUV
while he was at work in Florida.

MCKINNON: How did i forget my child?

BARGER: McKinnon spoke at Friday`s National Heatstroke Prevention Day
event in Maryland. Officials pointed out that when it`s just 77 degrees
outside, temperatures inside a car can reach lethal levels within ten
minutes. Simply cracking the windows isn`t enough.

JAN NULL, METEOROLOGIST: Instead of that130 degrees, it`s going to be 128
degrees in that car.

BARGER: Nationally 11 children have died so far this year after being left
unattended in hot cars. 31 perished last year.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have our responsibility. Look before you lock. But
if you see a child in a car you must act.

BARGER: Recent actions by police and bystanders have kept several
incidents from becoming tragedies.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DYSON: Joining me now is Dr. Roni Whitfield, Medical Director of National
Association of free clinics. Doc, right now two women are facing child
abuse and endangerment charges for leaving children in hot cars. Do you
think that`s the right course of action?

DR. RANI WHITFIELD, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FREE CLINICS: 50 percent of
children that are left in their cars are done by parent -- or greater than
50 percent are done by parents who`re not unknowingly do it. But in these
cases it seems that these women knew that they were leaving their children
in their car.

So I think the punishment fits the crime. I mean, you`re killing these
young people. They don`t have the ability to metabolize or use the heat as
an adult does. And just a short period of time they can actually die.
When you talk about heatstroke you`re talking about core body temperatures
that can get as high as 104 degrees, dry skin and seeing as abnormalities,
central nervous system abnormalities like confusion, delay in (ph) coma and
even death. So you can`t take a chance with leaving those young people in
the vehicles.

DYSON: Do you think they really understand that? I mean, it seems common
sense to us, of course. But, you know, people think well a dash in here a
little bit and then come right back. How do we calibrate the legal
culpability for people who make decisions in the rush of the moment that
end up, you know, costing the lives of their children?

WHITFIELD: By what we`re doing today, education and awareness. We have to
let people know these young people could get sick very quick and very
early. So, under no circumstances is it OK to leave a child in the car
unattended. If you see a child in the car just like you said interview
earlier you have to act. Bust a wind shield and get him out of the car if
they`re locked in the car. But you have to get them out.

There`s no time where it is OK to leave a child in the car unattended.
Running and pickup you`re cleaning. You got some prescription to pick up.
If you have to do those things try to drive through but under no
circumstances should you leave a child in a car unattended.

SCHULTZ: How long can a child last in these dangerously hot cars?

WHITFIELD: It depends on the child. But it`s not very long. And, you
know, say the child has a preexisting illness. If the child obese, if
they`re taking antihistamines or on a medication that may causes them to
diuresis or urinate. They can not last very long. So again at no time
should a child be left in a vehicle unattended.

There`s really interesting article to I challenge you to read doc, and it
was written in Washington Post in 2010 it talks about something called
"misremembering." Where parents that have routine things that they do may
again have that day where they`re doing something out routine and they can
forget the child in the car. And could child falls a sleep.

And so we have to educate these parents about taking care of their
children. But a very interesting article, very interesting piece that I
said many people say "Oh I can`t believe that a parent would do that that
would happen. But in 50 percent of the cases these parents unknowingly did
it and were very regretful. There are loving parents, they care about
their children, they just made a bad mistake.

There is 11 percent that individuals that do make that quick dash to
grocery store, quick dash into pick something food and come back and find
their children in trouble. So again at no time this is acceptable.

DYSON: So you -- did I hear you correctly? You said that if you see a
child in a car, you should break the window and pull that child out?

WHITFIELD: You have to act. If you called 911 and they are not getting
there in time that child is in distress, you have to act. I personal would
bust the window on the opposite side and get the child out of the vehicle.
If that is the situation and 911 can`t get there in time. That child could
die. So you have to act and I would deal with the repercussions later.

DYSON: All right Dr. Rani Whitfield. Thank you so very much.

Still ahead, why one Wisconsin politician says you can`t trust Governor
Scott Walker because he will stab you in the back. A head.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

DYSON: In tonight`s Two-Minute Drill. It`s been an absolute disaster of a
week for the New York Mets. Less than 24 hours after one of their players
cried on the field over unrealized trade rumors, the Mets suffered a
stunning defeat by blowing a six-run lead to the San Diego Padres. But the
Mets players weren`t the only ones off their games.

The skies opened up in the ninth inning and the grounds crew struggled to
roll out the tarp in time. The infield quickly filled up like a pond
forcing a second rain delay that lasted nearly three hours.

In other disappointing New York Sports News, Jets Pro Bowl defensive
lineman Sheldon Richardson could be facing a long suspension from the NFL.
On Thursday, the 24-year-old Richardson was charged with resisting arrest
and numerous traffic violations. Authorities allege that a July 14th
incident "Involved him going 143 miles per hour trying to avoid police and
eventually getting caught with a loaded semiautomatic handgun in his car
which reeked like marijuana."

Richardson was already suspended for the first four games of the 2015
season for violating the league`s substance abuse policy.

We`ll have more after the break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

DYSON: Welcome back. It`s payday for Scott Walker super PAC. The pro
Walker organization called unintimidated just received $5 million from the
billionaire Ricketts family. Joe Ricketts is the founder of the Ameritrade
and started his own super PAC in 2010 ironically called ending spending.

Walker`s only courting big donors for the presidential campaign. A
Democrat who served with Walker in the Wisconsin legislature said that the
governor`s ideology moves like a weather vane. It all depends on who is
bankrolling him. Some of the deepest pockets belong to the conservative
billionaires Charles and David Koch. The brothers are longstanding fans of
Walker. On April fund raiser David Koch alluded to Walker`s inevitability
as the nominee and to subsequent pledge of support.

The latest Quinnipiac poll shows Walker`s conservative strategy is paying
off. Walker edged out Jeb Bush for the second place spot. Donald Trump of
course still leads the pack with 20 percent.

For more let me bring in John Nichols, Washington correspondent for The
Nation Magazine. Brother John, how important are these big money donors to
Walker?

JOHN NICHOLS, THE NATION: They`re definitional, my friend. Without these
big money donors Scott Walker would still be an obscure Wisconsin
legislator. In fact to the matter is he had spent the better part of two
decades courting the wealthiest people in America directly and also as a
member of the American legislative exchange council and other groups that
put him in contact with billion and with corporate interests.

DYSON: Well, Walker was criticized for taking a hard stance conservative
stance to pleased Iowa crowds. He told voters in the Hawkeyes State he
supported government mandates on ethanal gasoline through the renewable
standard. The New York Time reported on the Koch displeasure with that
stance. Is walker equipped to handle conflict with wealthy backers like
the Koch brothers?

NICHOLS: Of course he is. He will say what he needs to say to get
elected. And then once he`s in office he`ll deliver for the wealthy
special interests. They know that. They`re not stupid. They don`t mind
if he says some things that "Upset them" because at the end of the day, if
you look at his track record, he has delivered again and again and again.
They don`t have many worries about Scott Walker.

DYSON: Right. So what is the "Ed Show" meant for middle class Americans
over the last six years?

NICHOLS: I want to tell you something, my friend. This show has been an
essential part of the struggle of working Americans to have their voices
heard. And if this show wasn`t around, I think some fundamental issues
like trade policy would not have been explored as deeply as they need to be
explored, but more importantly, as a Wisconsinite, I have to say that when
the uprising came against Scott Walker and when some very brave teachers
and farmers and snow plow drivers and nurses went out in the middle of the
winter to stand up for workers` rights, Ed Schultz came and stood with
them. And that was a pretty darn important thing. Perhaps one of the most
important moments I`ve seen in American media.

DYSON: He`s a big fellow with an even bigger heart. Now when he`s given
his life and devoted commitment to the causes of working class and middle
class people. That`s something that`s pretty extraordinary in any class
but especially among some of those talking heads out there.

NICHOLS: And I also want to say something, if I can, about Ed`s courage.
He has had the courage over the years to do things that were hard. Most
hosts like to be steady on what they`ve said. They don`t change. They
don`t acknowledge that they are imperfect, but Ed Schultz, on the issue of
the Keystone pipeline was a supporter of keystone and then via his viewers,
his listeners and his guests, he began to evolve on the issue to recognize
the environmental concerns that were in play but also the reality that
Keystone didn`t deliver for workers in the way that some people had said it
would.

And he made a fundamental change there and so this guy who has stood up for
workers has also stood up for the environment. He stood up on climate
change. The fact of the matter is, you don`t find many people like that in
media. You don`t find many shows like this. This is a precious show that
has meant a tremendous amount to an awful lot of working people and just an
awful lot of Americans for whom there aren`t a lot of voice, there aren`t a
lot of vehicles by which their concerns, their fears and their growth as
human beings can be reflected in a show.

DYSON: Well stated eloquently articulated. John Nichols, thanks for your
time tonight.

NICHOLS: Thank you for having me on.

DYSON: That`s the last "Ed Show." I`m Eric Dyson in for Ed Schultz.
Please follow my brother Ed at WeGotEd.com.

Good night.

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