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Date: August 5, 2015
Guest: Hardin Lang; Gilberto Hinojosa; Jonathan Capehart; Joan Walsh,
Laura Basset, Clarissa Martinez De Castro, Ben Monterroso

REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Tonight on "Politics Nation," Bill Clinton`s
secret phone call to Donald Trump. How it may be affecting the 2016 race.

Also a huge victory against a voter I.D. law in Texas. The latest on that
active shooter scare at a Tennessee movie theater.

And the anti-Spanish rant caught on tape is going viral, and it reveals a
lot about the immigration debate in this country.

Welcome to "Politics Nation."

We begin tonight with what might be the most fascinating conversation of
the 2016 race. "The Washington Post" reporting today that Bill Clinton
called Donald Trump right before he launched his campaign. In a phone call
in May, Clinton reportedly encouraged Trump`s effort to play a larger role
in the Republican Party, and while Clinton never urged Trump to run, he did
tell Trump that he was striking a chord with frustrated conservatives and
was a rising force on the right. The former president was also said to be
upbeat and encouraging.

Now, we`ve known Trump and the Clintons used to be friendly. They even
went to Trump`s wedding in 2005. But we had no idea they spoke just before
Trump blew up the 2016 field. And boy, has he blown it up. With just a
day before the first Republican debate, he`s the undisputed front-runner.
He`ll be standing center stage tomorrow night, and the other ten candidates
are just hoping they can hold on to their own.


rehearse for a debate.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There will be some candidates
there who come to the stage looking to tear down other candidates. That is
not going to be my approach. My approach has consistently been to take the
high road.

TRUMP: Certainly I don`t want to attack, if I`m attacked, I have to, you
know, do something back. But I`d like it to be very civil.

MIKE HUCKABEE (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I`m going to keep my mind free
and loose. I`m going to go in there to have fun.

TRUMP: I`m not looking to hurt anybody. I`m not looking to embarrass
anybody. If I have to bring up deficiencies, I`ll bring up deficiencies,
but certainly I`m not looking to do that.


SHARPTON: Sure doesn`t seem like it will take much convincing for him to
tear into his opponents. So what was Bill Clinton thinking when they
talked back in may? Was he hoping for this all along?

Joining me now are Joan Walsh and Jonathan Capehart. Thank you both for
being here.


SHARPTON: Joan, what do you make of the phone call? Do you think present
was hoping Trump would run?

JOAN WALSH, SALON.COM: I love this story. It`s got everything. Right?
Republicans heads are exploding. They`ve been wanting to blame him -- call
him a Democrat, say he was a Hillary plant. Now they have a tantalizing
piece of evidence. Of course it`s not true.

Bill Clinton doesn`t have that control over Donald Trump. Donald Trump has
changed his stripes. He`s thoroughly in the mainstream of the Republican
Party now. But it`s enough for them to try to disown this problem they
have and put it off on the Clintons, put it off on Democrats when this is a
real Republican problem.

But I think it`s hilarious. And, of course, Bill Clinton would ultimately
want to see his wife run against Donald Trump. It`s the easiest task for

SHARPTON: Jonathan, former President Clinton is known to be a great
political strategist. Could he have planned what`s happened with Trump any

CAPEHART: Look. We`ve known that President Clinton likes to pick up the
phone and call anybody who is in the political realm because he loves this
stuff. Democrat, Republican, if he can get you on the phone and you`re
running for office, he would love to talk to you about it.

I think the problem for Trump is, why`d you take that call? In the
Republican field, why would you take the call from Bill Clinton, if you are
even thinking about running for the Republican nomination? What could he
possibly say to you that would be of any use? And I`m talking about from
the Republican --

SHARPTON: From the base.

CAPEHART: Yes, from the base.

SHARPTON: Well, the other problem he has is with your paper coming out
with this the day before the debate. It`s kind of awkward if he goes after
Hillary tomorrow night when he`s on very good speaking terms with the
Clintons. It is not that I would suggest timing by your paper or from a
president or your source, who I don`t mind if you tell us who it is.

CAPEHART: Well, look, I didn`t write the story. And if I had, I wouldn`t
tell you. But you know "the Washington Post" reports news and the timing
of this could not be more delicious.

SHARPTON: But you know, when you look at it, Joan, Republicans themselves
talked about how damaging Trump`s been to the party. John McCain said he
fired up the crazies. Rick Perry called him a cancer on conservatism. And
Lindsey Graham says he was a wrecking ball. Is the Trump candidacy just
what Dr. Clinton ordered?

WALSH: I think it absolutely is. And I remember standing and talking to
you, Reverend, and thinking maybe Lindsey Graham will get some traction.
This is how well I don`t know the Republican base. I`m always hoping for
sanity, an outbreak of sanity. Maybe Lindsey Graham would get some
traction by standing up to Trump, by making a big deal by, you know,
chopping up his phone, maybe that was a great strategy for Lindsey Graham.

Lindsey Graham did go any places. This is not -- rebuking Trump at this
point has not shown itself to be a winning strategy for anyone.

SHARPTON: And Lindsey Graham just slaughtered his cell phone, what`s a man
have to do?

WALSH: To get a little bump in the polls. There seems to be no reward for
anybody who is going to stand up and criticize what he stands for, and what
he`s doing. And so, that`s why I question Democrats and I think most
Americans hope that somebody has the courage to stand up to him tomorrow
night. But I`m not sure we`re going to see that.

SHARPTON: What do you think? What does this mean for tomorrow night, the
phone call and do you think somebody will stand up as Joan hopes someone

CAPEHART: Look, I hope someone will stand up to Donald Trump too. It is
one thing - one, they should stand up to him because -- you`ve been in
debates. When you`re the front-runner, you have the target on you. People
should be gunning for you to take you down, in order for them to rise. So
they should be attacking Trump. But as our colleague Jane Robinson wrote
in a column, I believe it was last week, Trump has proven to be like
Godzilla, the more you attack him, the stronger he gets.

He denigrated a war hero, who is a sitting -- and a Republican presidential
nominee in 2008, he`s still in the race. Any other Republican who would
have done what, we wouldn`t even be talking about them now. So that`s the

SHARPTON: But let me go to something that`s interesting because it is
interesting to me that Trump spoke to President Clinton recently. Because
he`s really been trying to link himself to another former president.
Listen to this, Joan.


TRUMP: I`ve evolved like a lot of other people. Ronald Reagan evolved.
Ronald Reagan was a Democrat and he became a Republican. He was sort of a
liberal guy actually as a younger man and he became a Republican and he did
very well. I have great respect for him. I helped him. I knew him. He
liked me and I liked him.


SHARPTON: I mean, can Donald Trump convince the Republican base he`s the
new Ronald Reagan, that they liked each other?

WALSH: Sure, he can. I mean, really, people do not get punished in that
party for inconsistency for flip-flopping. It`s not a big deal. And so,
as long as you`re taking the right positions now, they`re going to love
you. And it`s true, Reagan did change on some things. Trump -- I
genuinely believe Trump listens to himself and believes himself. It`s
typical grandiosity to say, you know, I`m just like Ronald Reagan that, you
know, we know that about him. And they all say it.

SHARPTON: Now the chair of the RNC, Priebus said that tomorrow will be all
about Hillary Clinton. I want to play that.


real issue here is Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and the fact that the
country is really not in a good place right now. That`s really, savannah,
what the focus is. We`re not going to focus on each other. I think you`re
going to see a Republican party unified.


SHARPTON: Are they going to really be able to stay focused on Secretary
Clinton tomorrow night or are they going to turn on each other, Jonathan?

CAPEHART: Well, I think it`s going to be both. I mean, that`s one of the
49 things I said to watch for. How many times they attack Hillary Clinton?
How many times they attack President Obama?

The one thing that the Republicans have -- the one thing they don`t to have
to worry about is who their opponent most likely will be. So they`ve all
been running against Hillary Clinton since the moment they announced.

SHARPTON: And she`s kind of like staying with issues. She is doing my
radio show tomorrow around voting rights, voting rights anniversary. I
wonder if they`ll even discuss voting rights in the campaign. On the 50th
anniversary to the day of voting rights, because many of them on that stage
are the ones doing measures that we`re challenging in many ways, have been
regressive. Though we had a victory in Texas that we`ll talk about later
on in the show.

WALSH: I thought that that is important. Yes, they`re not going to
mention the voting right act. But can I just say, I think that you and I
have just as much sway with the Republican base as Reince Priebus does.
Man, he has been working. Priebus has been saying we`re going to moderate,
we are going to attract Latinos, we are going to attract young people, we
are going to change. The debates are not going to be a circus. We are
going to have great top tier candidates. Donald Trump, please dial it in,
please dial it back. Nothing he says makes a difference. So when he says
they are going only focus on Hillary and not on each other, that tells me
the opposites (INAUDIBLE).

SHARPTON: Well, I respectfully disagree with you. I have a lot of
influence in the Republican base (INAUDIBLE) their opponent will win the
primary. Anyone, I have that kind of sway, if I go into a Republican
district and support you, you are dead on arrival in the Republican

WALSH: Who are you endorsing in this field?

SHARPTON: I`m waiting until right before the debate. And Donald, don`t
let them intimidate you in there and you go after the red meat. You go get
them. Don`t have us bored tomorrow night, Donald.

Joan Walsh, and Jonathan Capehart, thank you both for your time tonight.

CAPEHART: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: Breaking news ahead, a huge win for voting rights in Texas.
Just the day before the 50th anniversary of the voting rights act.

And the latest on yet another shooting scare at a moving theater, this time
in Tennessee.

Plus, the viral video showing a woman berated for speaking Spanish. And
what it says about the immigration fight in America.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I speak English, too.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We speak English in America.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I speak English! I speak English!


SHARPTON: Also, new fall-out from Jeb Bush`s comment about women`s health
issues getting too much funding. And a look at Jon Stewart`s final show
tomorrow night and some of the guests he`s had along the way.


SHARPTON: Jon Stewart without the cursing.

JON STEWART, COMEDIAN: You can`t curse on MSNBC?

SHARPTON: I don`t curse at all.

STEWART: Ever in your life?

SHARPTON: I`m profound, not profane.

STEWART: Can I say this? Check and mate. I am done.



SHARPTON: Today police shot and killed a man armed with a gun and a
hatchet outside a movie theater near Nashville, Tennessee. Police say the
man sprayed pepper spray inside the theater and then exchanged gunfire with
an officer as he tried to escape.

There were no fatalities. One person also suffered a superficial wound.
Possibly from the hatchet. Today`s incident comes just two weeks after the
shooting in a theater in Louisiana.

We`ll be right back with a major victory against a voter I.D. law in Texas.


SHARPTON: Tonight, a big win for voting rights on the eve of the 50th
anniversary of the voting rights act. A federal appeals court has ruled
that the Texas voter I.D. law violates section two of the VRA. It was a
unanimous decision from a three-judge panel, striking down the
controversial Republican-backed measure.

But the judges` rejected a lower court`s ruling that the law passed with
the intent to discriminate. The lawsuit will now go back to a lower court.
But make no mistake, this is a big victory. After conservatives on the
Supreme Court gutted section five of the voting rights act in 2013, Texas
ruled to enact the restrictive voter I.D. law since the state no longer had
to clear voting law changes with the department of justice.

Today`s news could have big implications for the fight for voting rights
across the country. We`re still waiting on a decision in the voting rights
trial in North Carolina, which also hinges on section two of the law.
We`ve got a long way to go. But this is an important step in the right

Joining me now by phone is Gilberto Hinojosa, chair of the Texas Democratic
Party. Thanks for being with us, Mr. Chairman.

you for having me, Reverend Sharpton.

SHARPTON: What`s your reaction to this big decision today?

HINOJOSA: We`re elated. This is an incredible significant ruling for
voters in Texas and all across America. In an opinion, by the way, written
by a George W. Bush appointee, the fifth circuit basically said that
section two of the voting rights act was applicable to the voter I.D. law
in Texas, that this law had a discriminatory effect upon minorities,
Hispanics, and African-Americans. And that the district court was going to
have to fashion a remedy which would be a remedy that in effect, put us
back to where we were before the voter I.D. law was passed, which meant
that you could present your photo registration card and be allowed to vote,
or any other acceptable form of I.D., that removed any possibility, any
fear that there may be fraud at the time that the voter is voting.

So in essence, we`re back to where we were prior to the enactment of this
law, that the Republicans enacted here in Texas, which was clearly intended
by them to discourage Hispanic and African-American voters.

SHARPTON: I want to push you on that voter I.D. law in Texas. Because a
lot of people don`t understand why many of us have raised questions about
it around the country. The Texas voter I.D. law was in effect in the 2014
elections. And 600,000 Texans did not have proper I.D. required by this
law. Minorities were impacted disproportionately. So this really had
direct impact and whether by intent or by effect, it definitely
disproportionately affected minorities, Mr. Chairman.

HINOJOSA: That`s exactly right. And that`s what the district court found
and that`s what the fifth circuit federal court of appeals affirmed. We
estimate that hundreds of thousands of Texans, mostly Hispanics and
African-Americans, were not able to vote this last election because of the
fact that method of I.D. was discouraging them from either attending the
ballot boxes to go vote, or even when they did go vote, prevented them from

And so, this is going to have a significant effect for the 2016 election
here in Texas, because our voter turn-out increases substantially during
presidential election years. We have candidates, I think, that are running
for president. Whoever gets the nomination, which will have a large
following here in Texas, and hopefully, whoever is the nominee, will put
either a Hispanic or an African-American on the ballot with them and you`ll
have a big turn-out, and this will prevent people from being discouraged to
vote in this most important election.

SHARPTON: You know, it is interesting when Governor Greg Abbott was Texas
attorney general, he went on a crusade over voter fraud. Listen to this.


GOV. GREG ABBOTT, TEXAS: You act as though I`m the only authority in the
state of Texas who either investigates or prosecutes voter fraud. Voter
fraud remains a serious problem.


SHARPTON: But the voter fraud rate in Texas while Abbott was attorney
general, was 0.0000053 percent. I mean, how do you keep fighting back
against this voter fraud myth in Texas, Mr. Chairman?

HINOJOSA: Well, I think that, you know, when you have court cases like
this where district judges look at these allegations being made by people
like Greg Abbott and show unequivocally that it`s just a fabrication on
their part, intended to discourage, intended to allow them to enact laws to
discourage minorities from going out to vote, because they know minorities
normally vote for Democrats in the state of Texas, like they do in most
parts of the country.

It really shows the hypocrisy of what the Republicans do. They put their
hand over their heart and they pledge allegiance to the United States, and
then they enact a law that prevents people from exercising the most
important right that this United States constitution that we have in
America gives us. This decision is significant because it really, really
exposes them for what they are.

SHARPTON: Well, Gilberto Hinojosa, I thank you for your time tonight and
tomorrow I`ll be talking with secretary Clinton about voting rights and
more on my radio show. And we`ll have some of that on the show for you
tomorrow night on "Politics Nation."

Coming up, President Obama calls out the pro-war caucus in the GOP. He`s
taking on the right over Iran.

Plus, a Hispanic woman yelled at for speaking Spanish at a restaurant.
It`s going viral, and it reveals a lot about our immigration and the
immigration debate in this country.


SHARPTON: President Obama today making one of his most forceful arguments
in support of the Iran nuclear deal going directly after the loudest
Republican critics. And he blasted some on the right for failing to learn
the lessons of the Bush administration`s rush into the Iraq war.


argued for the war in Iraq are now making the case against the Iran nuclear
deal. It was a mind-set characterized by a preference for military action
over diplomacy. I say this not to be provocative. I`m stating a fact.
Without this deal, Iran will be in a position, however tough our rhetoric
may be, to steadily advance its capabilities.

So let`s not mince words. The choice we face is ultimately between
diplomacy or some form of war. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not three months
from now, but soon.


SHARPTON: The president then called on critics to rethink their opposition
to the deal.


OBAMA: Just because the hardliners chant death to America does not mean
that`s what all Iranians believe. In fact, it`s those hardliners who are
most comfortable with the status quo. It`s those hardliners chanting death
to America who have been most opposed to the deal. They`re making a common
cause with the Republican caucus.


SHARPTON: Congress will vote on this deal early next month.

Joining me now is Hardin Lang, senior fellow at the center for American
Progress. Thanks for being here tonight.

you, Rev.

SHARPTON: Hardin, this was a forceful speech from the president. What was
your reaction?

LANG: Look, this is as tough as I think I`ve seen him off of the campaign
trail. I mean, it felt very much like Obama the campaigner, and much less
sort of Obama-no drama in the White House. Look, He did an incredibly
effective job of laying out for the American people the choice between
either going with this deal and putting the Iranian nuclear program in a
box with a camera on top of it to watch it for the next 10 to 15 years, or
to find ourselves as a nation, increasingly isolated from the rest of the
world and with fewer options on the table that aren`t military in nature
going forward.

SHARPTON: The president said hardliners in Iran who chant "death to
America" are making common cause -- I`m saying a quote here -- he said
they`re making common cause with Republicans. What do you make of that?

LANG: I think it`s more a matter of, you know, the rhetoric is leading to
the same kind of outcome here. The rhetoric on the side of the hardline
Republicans and then some of the hardliners inside of Iran, are driving us
to a position away from diplomacy. And what the president is saying is
that they`ve managed to reach some common ground with more reasonable
elements inside the regime, and that we need to reach out and seize that.

SHARPTON: Now, today the president also said, by rejecting this deal,
Congress would do more than aid Iran`s path way to nuclear arms. Listen to


PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: Without this deal, the scenarios
that critics warn about happening in 15 years, could happen six months from
now. By killing this deal, Congress would not merely pave Iran`s path way
to a bomb, it would accelerate it.


AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST, "POLITICS NATION": What`s your take on that?

making an important point, right? Because a number of critics of the deal
are saying, look at, all we need to do is get back to the table and just be
tougher. I will put harder sanctions on, we`ll squeeze harder and we`ll
get a better result at the end of this. What the President is saying, that
if we walk away from this deal now, we are no longer going to have Russia,
China, and probably even some of our European allies with us in those
sanctions. And those sanctions are what make this -- the global sanctions,
so effective. It`s the partnership with the rest of the world. And so
then Iran can go ahead full speed with its nuclear program, with more
access to capital coming out of China and Russia, and with no oversight of
the program itself.

SHARPTON: Well, this is a very important discussion and it will be a big
debate next month, and we`ll be right on top of it. Hardin Lang, thank you
for your time tonight.

LANG: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Ahead, new fall-out from Jeb Bush`s controversial comment about
women`s health funding.

But first, that viral video showing a woman getting yelled at simply for
speaking Spanish.


SHARPTON: Now to an emerging front in 2016, the fight over women`s health
rights. And family planning issues. Today Hillary Clinton tweeted about
the new policy from Netflix about the company`s announcement that there
would be unlimited time off for employees during their baby`s first year.
Quote, "No parent should have to choose between getting a paycheck and
caring for their baby. Well done, Netflix." These issues are now central
to the campaign. Jeb Bush is scrambling to do damage control after his
remarks on women`s health funding.


JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You could take dollar for dollar,
although I`m not sure we need a half a billion dollars for women`s health
issues, but if you took dollar for dollar, there are many extraordinarily
fine organizations, community health organizations that exist, federally
sponsored community health organizations to provide quality care for women
on a wide variety of health issues.


SHARPTON: Bush was slammed for saying women`s health gets too much
funding. And he rushed to walk it back. Quote, "With regards to women`s
health funding broadly, I misspoke." But Hillary Clinton didn`t let him
off the hook.


was that we should just defund Planned Parenthood, as if that makes it any
better. You know, this really isn`t complicated, when you attack Planned
Parenthood, you attack women`s health, and when you attack women`s health,
you attack America`s health.


And I guess women`s health just isn`t a priority for him.

SHARPTON: This is a perilous moment for Jeb Bush. Did he just summon the
spirit of Mitt Romney`s binders full of women gaffe? Did he just alienate
51 percent of the population? How bad is it for him and the GOP?

Joining me now is Laura Basset, who covers women`s rights issues for the
Huffington Post. Thank you for being here, Laura.


SHARPTON: Hillary Clinton clearly thinks this was bad for Jeb Bush, but
does this Bush campaign feel the same way? Do Republicans realize it?
What`s your read?

BASSET: This is absolutely awful. It`s a huge, unforced error for the
Bush campaign and really surprising. He played right into Democrats` hands
and right into Hillary Clinton`s hands right there. For the past three
years, Democrats have been saying Republicans are waging a war on women`s
health, Republicans are attacking women`s health. And Jeb Bush just came
out and said it. I think 500 million is too much to be spending on women`s
health. Let me just put that number into perspective for you. We as a
nation, spend $1 trillion on health care every year. Five hundred million
is a drop in the bucket. It`s the amount of money that Jeb Bush`s campaign
said they wanted to raise by June. So you have a presidential candidate
saying I want to spend $500 million on campaign ads, but as president, I
wouldn`t spend that money on women`s health issue. It`s just a shocking

SHARPTON: Wow, that is shocking. You know the latest NBC News/Wall Street
Journal poll just out this week shows broad support for Planned Parenthood.
Forty five percent have a positive view of it. Thirty percent have a
negative view. And yet, Republicans in Congress are now trying to destroy
the group. Are they underestimating how popular Planned Parenthood is?

BASSET: Absolutely. The poll show that Planned Parenthood is more popular
than any presidential candidate than the NRA, the Supreme Court, and
President Obama. Planned Parenthood has huge favorability ratings. Less
than a third of the country sees Planned Parenthood unfavorably. So I
think it`s really interesting that Republicans are choosing this hill to
die on. I think if you ask any woman on the street, I think most women, if
you say, what do you think of Planned Parenthood, they`re not going to jump
into some ideological debate about abortion. They`re going to say, oh yes,
there`s a Planned Parenthood right down the street. And I hope -- if I
needed, if ever I lose my job, lose my health insurance and I need an IUD,
I hope that it`s there. And I think that`s what Republicans are missing.

SHARPTON: You know this week during the debate on the GOP bill to defund
Planned Parenthood, Senator Elizabeth Warren gave her republican colleagues
a piece of her mind. Watch this.


SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D), MASSACHUSETTS: I come to the Senate floor today
to ask my republican colleagues a question. Do you have any idea what year
it is? Did you fall down, hit your head and think you woke up in the
1950s, or the 1890s? Should we call for a doctor? Because I simply cannot
believe that in the year 2015, the United States Senate would be spending
its time trying to defund women`s health care centers.


SHARPTON: How do you react to Senate Warren`s -- and did she capture how
most Americans view the GOP?

BASSET: You know, I think she did. I think 60 percent of people want the
-- want Congress to continue funding Planned Parenthood. It`s not
something that people want to see Republicans pick a fight about. And it
does seem a little outdated. The reality is that every dollar you spend in
family planning saves $7 in Medicaid spending. People understand that if
you`re opposed to abortion you want to invest in things like family
planning and birth control. It`s just basic math, it`s just economics 101.
And so it does seem like Republicans are sort of trying to revive a debate
that we had many decades ago.

SHARPTON: Laura Basset, thank you for your time tonight.

BASSET: Thanks for having me.

SHARPTON: Coming up, an anti-Spanish rant caught on tape. We`ll show you
the video and talk about the candidates preaching to this crowd.

Plus, it`s an end of an era. Jon Stewart leaving "The Daily Show." My
thoughts before he signs off tomorrow night.


SHARPTON: Try to imagine this situation, you and your family are at a
restaurant to celebrate a birthday. You`re having a conversation, and
suddenly you`re interrupted by someone yelling at you, all because of the
way you talk. That`s reportedly what happened at an IHOP in Los Angeles
last week. Where normal Vasquez was speaking Spanish to her son Carlos.
Carlos shot this video of a woman confronting his mother, demanding that
she stop speaking Spanish.



NORMA VASQUEZ: Close your mouth. I speak English too.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: We speak English in America.

VASQUEZ: I speak English. Not Good. But I speak English, okay?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: You want the Russians over here telling you what to
do? Do you want the Nazis telling you what to do?

CARLOS STEVEN VASQUEZ: That`s what you`re doing to my mom, you`re telling
her what to do. She speaks English, she`s not perfect, but she speaks
English. You can`t do that.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: We have freedom of speech, you see? You`re proof of
it. We want that freedom.

CARLOS STEVEN VASQUEZ: Yes. Because you can`t be telling I want you to
speak English because we`re in America. You don`t do that. I don`t tell
you how to live and you live here. This is America, you can do what you

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Yes, and we want English.


SHARPTON: Yes. This is America, and we`re supposed to celebrate our
diversity. But this video gets to the heart of the immigration debate
today. Instead of celebrating differences, we see candidates preaching
intolerance and anger. Last night Donald Trump offered his solution to
stopping illegal immigration.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Mexico will pay for the wall. I
will make sure it gets done properly and Mexico is making a fortune in the
United States, it`s becoming the new China in terms of trade. They`re
killing us at the border. They`re killing our leadership, because they`re
sharper, they`re more cunning. I`m going to say, Mexico, guess what, this
is not going to continue. You`re going to pay for the wall. And I`ve said
they`re going to pay for the wall and they will pay for the wall.


SHARPTON: Joining me now is Clarissa Martinez De Castro from the National
Council of La Raza and Ben Monterroso, executive director of Mi Familia
Vota. Thank you both for being here tonight.



TRUMP: Clarissa, what`s your reaction to this video when you saw it?

MARTINEZ DE CASTRO: Well, I think that it is actually deeper than just
about immigration. Frankly, I think that it puts forth the demographic
anxiety that is being fueled through the conversation on immigration, but
at the end of the day, it`s about demonizing the Latino community in this
country. Seventy five percent of whom are United States citizens. Many,
like myself, who speak English, but also speak Spanish.

SHARPTON: I think that`s an important point. It`s not just about
immigration or so-called illegal immigrants. It`s an anti-Hispanic -- it`s
really biased and racist.

MARTINEZ DE CASTRO: Well, you know, one thing that I will not do is I am
not going to say that every blonde woman who resembles this person feels
the same way as she does.


MARTINEZ DE CASTRO: And I would hope that that is the way that we all deal
with situations like this. On the one hand, if one person from a
particular community or demographic does something wrong, let`s not judge
all of those people in that way, because not all of us feel that way. And
secondly, I think that, in addition to that, we need to examine the
environment that allows a person like this woman to feel entitled to insult
and berate a woman having a conversation with her son.

SHARPTON: Now, Ben, Donald Trump wants Mexico to build a wall to stop
immigrants from coming here. But he`s not the only republican calling for
a radical immigration reform. Listen to what others had to say on Monday


SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: In the 21st century, legal
immigration must be based on merit, on what you can contribute

RICK PERRY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It`s like a serious wound, you
want to staunch the flow. And that`s not what`s happening in this country

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m the only person in this race calling for a 25
percent reduction in the unskilled labor that`s coming into this country.
It is a serious problem.

JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think we need to narrow the number
of people coming by family petitioning.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you`d cut it down some.

BUSH: I would cut it down to spell some minor children instead of adults
siblings and adult parents.


SHARPTON: How do they expect to appeal to Hispanic voters, win Spanish
voters with this kind of rhetoric?

BEN MONTERROSO, MI FAMILIA VOTA: Well, first of all, thank you for the
opportunity. Secondly, I think that I go with the same line of -- this is
deeper. Quite frankly, it`s not just about the issue of immigration. It`s
how they have dominated the air waves in trying to make sure that the
Latino community is being demonized. I think that in terms of the issue of
immigration is an issue that is long overdue to be fixed. Unfortunately,
we have seen over and over again, the Republican Party is staying on the
wait of not getting this issue resolved. So, I just think that Donald
Trump and his attacks to our community are being followed by the rest of
the GOP contenders here, and I think that that is irresponsible and it`s
not going to create any more unity among our community. And it`s going to
be hard to look at the Republican Party as the party they can resolve the
issues that we need to be resolved in this country.

SHARPTON: Clarissa, has illegal immigrants become the scapegoat for many
on the right and the GOP that really want to use this issue in a way of
demonizing a lot more than that?

MARTINEZ DE CASTRO: I don`t think it`s just immigrants who are in this
country illegally. I think that it`s anybody who is an immigrant and
frankly anybody who is a Latino. You know, it is sad that when the
political season rolls around, Latinos almost have to brace for impact. I
think the difference right now is that more people in the Latino community
are paying attention to what these candidates are saying in the primary,
and it`s going to be a lot harder for them to take it back and take it to a
rational space, where not only Latinos stand but the vast majority of
American voters.

SHARPTON: Well, the answer`s at the ballot box as well, Ben. And when you
look at Trump`s stance on immigration, it isn`t helping him with the Latino
voters. Thirteen percent have a favorable view of him, while 75 percent
have an unfavorable view. But as you referred to talking about the GOP as
a whole being hurt, NBC Telemundo polls shows the whole GOP is struggling
with Hispanic voters. Twenty five percent have a positive view of the GOP.
Forty three percent see the Republican Party negatively. Can the GOP
overcome this negative image with Latino voters, Ben?

MONTERROSO: Well, first of all, I think that we in the Latino community
are not taking these insults and these attacks sitting down. We`re
working, we`re making sure that our community participates, registers to
vote. We`re going to honor the 50th anniversary of the voting rights act,
by making sure that we continue to register people, number one. Number
two, I just hope that the republican contenders understand that the
majority of the republican voters are in favor of a solution to the
immigration issue. They`re definitely not doing themselves any favor with
their own party. They`re just catering to that small group of people that
have been pushing this issue as a negative issue. But the majority of
Republicans want a solution and the majority of Democrats too. So I just
hope that would like to see the changing, but the insults are being taken

Clarissa Martinez De Castro and Ben Monterroso, thank you both for your
time tonight.

MONTERROSO: Thank you for the opportunity.

SHARPTON: Coming up, saying goodbye to Jon Stewart. We`ll share some
favorite memories from his 16 years as host of "The Daily Show," coming to
an end tomorrow night.


SHARPTON: For 16 years, Jon Stewart`s talked about the news and made
plenty of his own. Now, he`s got just two episodes left. We`ll say
goodbye to a comedy icon, next.



JON STEWART, HOST, "THE DAILY SHOW": Welcome, welcome to "The Daily Show."
Craig Kilborn is on assignment in Kuala Lumpur, I`m Jon Stewart.


SHARPTON: That was Jon Stewart in 1999, the very first night he hosted
"The Daily Show." And tomorrow night will be his last. Stewart is
stepping down after 16 years behind the desk. Equal to four presidential
terms. His good friend Denis Leary poked fun at his decision to retire.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It could be two months from now, it could be six months
from now, six weeks from now, you`ll be on that farm in New Jersey with
your family, hanging out, and your kids will turn to you one day and say,
dad, we love you, get a (bleep) job.



SHARPTON: Through the years, Jon Stewart has been one of the most powerful
voices on TV. His unique brand of satire left no one out. With scathing
jokes about the Bush administration and the media. And yet some of his
most memorable moments weren`t about comedy. After 9/11, he spoke from the
heart, expressing what many at home were feeling.


STEWART: I wanted to tell you why I grieve. But why I don`t despair. I`m


SHARPTON: He was there for historic change, especially political change.


STEWART: At 11:00 at night eastern standard time, the president of the
United States is Barack Obama.



SHARPTON: Stewart launched the careers of daily show correspondents like
John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, and Steve Carell. And through it all, one
thing remained the same. The jokes always came first.


GEORGE W. BUSH (R), FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: I was not elected to serve one

STEWART: You were not elected.


Graham, why can`t you take no war for an answer?

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: The reason I wanted to strike
Assad is to punish him.

STEWART: I wanted to see him squirm.


Yes, apparently the website has 99 problems, but a glitch is
all of them.

I apologize. I apologize. No disrespect. Let`s continue with the
meeting. Are you eating there with a fork! A (bleep) fork! No!


SHARPTON: And I always enjoyed my appearances on the show too. Like back
in 2002 when I stopped by after a hunger strike protest.


STEWART: First of all, let me say this, hunger strikes agree with you.
You look magnificent.

SHARPTON: Well, they didn`t give me any of the barbecue sauce. We were

STEWART: But here`s the thing though. You`ve never won any election. How
can you go from there to president?

SHARPTON: That`s exactly why you should vote for me, because I`m not
responsible for the mess we`re in.


SHARPTON: I think Jon was and is a great icon in comedy and great icon in
news. But he`s also a great guy. Over the years that I`ve been in public
life, I`ve met many people, from many different walks of life. But he`s
one that I genuinely like and respect. We`re going to miss him on the air
and I`m going to miss him sitting behind the desk, telling it like he
really believes it. And telling us a lot of what we really need to hear.
And then believing every word he says. A genuine good man. God bless you,
as you move on to your next phase in life.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.


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