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Date: August 7, 2015
Guest: Victoria DeFrancesco-Soto, Dorian Warren, Michael Brown, Sr.,
Anthony Gray

REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Tonight on "Politics Nation," who`s afraid
of Donald Trump? Everybody. We`ll show you what his rivals are saying
today about Trump`s wild debate performance.

Plus, new buzz about what Jon Stewart will do next.

And attorney general Loretta Lynch talks about the fight ahead on policing
and voting.

And remembering Michael Brown one year after his death. I`ll talk to
Brown`s father about what has changed and what hasn`t.

Thanks to you for tuning in tonight. I`m live in St. Louis.

Today, the GOP candidates hit the road after their first big debate heading
to a right-wing conference in Atlanta. Donald Trump will speak there
tomorrow and his rivals from last night, the guys he beat up for nearly two
hours, spent most of today trying to duck questions about the front-runner.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At first it was Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump,
Trump. What did you think?

JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Look, I got enough on my own plate
to sort out, to try to analyze. Donald Trump is way above my pay grade.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this appropriate language for someone who is a
Republican candidate or quite frankly for anyone?

Donald Trump can speak for himself.

responsible for ourselves. I said all along about Donald that he`ll be as
serious a candidate as Donald wants to be.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I will ask you again. Do you think Donald Trump has
what it takes to be the president and commander in chief?

think that`s been answered about anybody in this race.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t get this kind of support in a Republican
primary unless you`re touching a nerve.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is Donald Trump an authentic Republican?

ask Donald Trump.


SHARPTON: They`re still afraid to criticize him after what we saw last
night. For his part, Trump spent the day trashing the FOX News moderators.
He says they were not fair and balanced.


TRUMP: I thought the questions were unfair, but you know, I can live with
it. And I, you know, it`s probably you`re number one in the polls and they
ask you a little bit tougher question. But I have to tell you even the
other candidates, they got off stage and they said to me, you know, it`s
amazing that those questions were so unfair.

The questions asked of me were much, much more difficult and poignant and
really unfair than other people were asked, but that`s OK. I mean, I guess
that`s part of the game.


SHARPTON: Trump dominated the debate and a lot of Republicans think that`s
not necessarily a good thing. But Trump is giving himself high marks.


TRUMP: If I go by drudge, which is a great group of people, or if I go by
"Time" magazine I have give myself an "A" or if I go by "The New York
Times," the front page of "The New York Times," I have to give myself an


SHARPTON: MSNBC`s Benjy Sarlin is live at the Red State conference in
Atlanta. Also with me is Ed Rendell and Clarence Page. Thanks to all of
you for being here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: I want to start with Benjy.

Benjy, what are conservatives there saying about Donald Trump? How did he
do in the debate in their opinion?

BENJY SARLIN, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: Well, I was here watching the debate
last night. They had a watch party for the red state event for people who
had shown up early. And let me sum up the reaction for you when Donald
Trump took the stage.

Wild applause, cheers, hoots, hollers especially for his first few answers
when he made fun of Rosie O`Donnell in one answer, when he denounced
political correctness even when talking about running for a third party
candidate. There was wild applause, laughter, cheer, people were
entertained. And I talked to a lot of people after the debate tonight and
today just walking around about Trump heard a lot of positive things. They
think he`s, like you said, touched a nerve, that he has brought something
to the debate. A lot of them said they wished other candidates would talk
about them. And a lot of them just enjoy how much he makes the
establishment uncomfortable. The Reince Priebuses, if you will. How much
it irked Jeb Bush having to share a stage with him in a presidential

Here`s what I did not hear, people saying they were committed to voting for
Donald Trump. In fact I didn`t hear many people who said he was at the
very top of their list. So I think to some degree people are enjoying the
Trump phenomena here among this conservative crowd but it is not
necessarily in the context of a serious presidential campaign. I think
this might be driving the polls a bit, too, this dynamic.

SHARPTON: Now, what do then they expect to hear from Trump when he speaks

SARLIN: I think that`s why they love Donald Trump. Nobody has any idea
what he`s going to say when he speaks tomorrow. It`s so unpredictable.
And you could really feel it during the debate when I was watching. People
were hanging on his every word. Because truly, nobody knew what was coming

Now, one thing I will be interested to see, (INAUDIBLE), he has a bit of
rivalry going on with FOX News and specifically Megyn Kelly which he
retweeted someone calling her a bimbo today, and then just taking some heat
for that. FOX News very popular with conservatives. It will be
interesting if he continues that fight tomorrow when he comes here and what
the reaction might be if he decides to really aggressively take them on. I
for one can`t wait to see it.

SHARPTON: Benjy Sarlin, thank you for your reporting tonight.

Now, let`s turn to Ed Rendell and Clarence Page.

Governor, let me go to you first, are you surprised that these other
candidates aren`t hitting Trump today?

first of all, let me say I think Donald Trump is right about the questions
being unfair. I think either Rupert Murdoch or Roger Ailes told the
moderators, we have to take Trump down. We got to make him seem like a
buffoon. And the questions were far more hostile to him than anybody else.
Even Lindsey Graham who Donald trashed a couple of weeks ago I think he
came out and said the questions were unfair and overly hostile and
aggressive. So that`s number one.

Number two, I don`t think any of the Republican candidates think that
Donald Trump is going to be the nominee. But they believe he`s got a
following. And I would suspect he`s going to go down in the polls from
that performance, but you never know because this has been a phenomenal
year and reaction to him has been unpredictable. But even if he goes down
in the polls, someone wants to inherit the Donald Trump voters. So
everyone is tip toeing around.

And I think based on the debate last night, the person who is most
positioned to inherit the Donald Trump voters is Ted Cruz. I thought Ted
Cruz gave a very solid performance, and I think he`s the man most
positioned to absorb the Trump phenomenon.

SHARPTON: Clarence, your assessment of Donald Trump last night and how the
reaction has been to date pretty non-confrontational in terms of anyone
really attacking his performance.

CLARENCE PAGE, CHICAGO TRIBUNE: Well, I largely agree with Governor
Rendell. I only disagree with the nature of the hostility of the
questions. And I`ve been in arguments with other people about this since
last night. But as a journalist like my FOX colleagues, I see nothing
wrong with those questions. Quite the opposite. These are the questions
people have of Donald Trump. Particularly here you are at a Republican
debate. Are you going to stand by the Republican nominee if it`s not you?
And that`s a question everybody had on their minds. And Brett Baier got it
out right away. And you know, Donald Trump was free to answer or not
answer and he answered. And we learned a lot, especially his fellow

Also the question about how he`s spoken about women among other people.
That was all factually accurate. Megyn Kelly was right on the mark in
presenting the question. Donald Trump should have expected it and he
showed his own amateurishness or his own fragile ego, if anything, if he
thought that was really a hostile question. But boy, he just can`t stop
tweeting about it.

But I find it interesting, though. Right now among the Republicans, they
are loathe to criticize Trump partly because he does fire up the base.
Look at the ratings they got last night, 24 million people. Those weren`t
all Trump fans. That was just all of us curious people wondering what`s
going to happen. And I think that`s good for democracy and this will all
shake out eventually.

SHARPTON: Now, let`s go back to him saying that he would not commit to
support the nominee, governor. Because today Trump doubled down on the
debate issue that got all of that attention and the possibility of him
running as an independent. Listen to this.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Many people want me to do the
independent thing. I don`t want to do that. I want to run as a
Republican. I don`t want to do the independent thing. But I do keep it
and it is leverage.


SHARPTON: I mean, will he hold this over the GOP`s head for the entire

RENDELL: Well, for as long as he stays in. At some point he could pull
out and say he`s considering running as an independent. That`s all
possible. I mean, I don`t think that when we get to March, Donald Trump
will still be on the ballot in the Republican primaries. I think he will
have pulled out and then say he`s considering running as an independent.

And Clarence, I didn`t think that the question in and of themselves were
unfair. I just think he got infinitely more hostile questions than anybody
else in that stage. They flipped Ben Carson a softball. They went after
Scott Walker and things that he could address. But nobody got the intense
scrutiny and the hostility that Donald Trump got. And again Lindsey Graham
-- Lindsey Graham who is no Trump fan, he came out and said that today.

PAGE: As you know, the policy nail gets hit first, as they say.

SHARPTON: But Clarence, I thought about as I watched it, if there had been
-- this had been another debate, other people on the stage, the answers he
gave surprised me more than the questions. I mean, he doubled down.

PAGE: Right.

SHARPTON: When they were talking about 1200 people laid off from his
bankruptcies. He seemed like that was a nonissue to him. He kind of took
a shot at his investors. He doubled down on the woman`s statement. So the
questions may or may not have been harsh, but I think his responses to me
is what possibly hurt him with general leaked voters if he ran independent
or was the Republican nominee.

PAGE: I agree. That`s why the questions sounded harsh, because they were
-- because Trump made harsh statements that resulted in those questions. I
think what was interesting, though, is you`re right, how Trump handled
them. He could have easily said, you know, I apologize to all who were
offended. That`s the standard answer for this sort of thing. No, that`s
not Donald Trump`s style. He comes right back crying political
correctness, blah, blah, blah.

And believe me that rings -- that resonates with a lot of conservatives out
there. I was thinking about how four years ago a fellow by the name of
Herman Cain was leading in the Republican polls and he got in trouble over
sexual harassment. A lot of Cain fans were (INAUDIBLE) complaining that
political correctness brought down Herman Cain.

You know, that`s always there in the background. And I think the more
established Republican candidates do believe that Trump is going to hit his
ceiling here. And they don`t want to antagonize him so he may run third
party. He`s been candid about that talking about his leverage. That`s
what he`s talking about, I`m sure. And at the same time they don`t want to
sound like they`re cozying up to him too much. So they`re kind of walking
that tight rope right now.

SHARPTON: Governor, I have to ask you before we run out of time, today
Trump talked about his phone call with former president Bill Clinton, which
has become an infamous part of this campaign. Listen to this.


TRUMP: The truth is we talked after, actually long after I decided to run.
And I think you know maybe he was feeling -- we didn`t even talk about that
about and we`re not particularly friends or anything. And I tell you what,
he`s not happy that I`m running because nobody has hit Hillary harder than
I have.


SHARPTON: The Clinton camp has a different view of how the thing went down
in terms of the phone call. They say Mr. Trump reached out to President
Clinton a few times, President Clinton returned his call in late May. So
bottom line, isn`t a Trump candidacy good for Hillary and for the Democrats
in general no matter how this phone call went down?

RENDELL: Absolutely. No matter how hard Donald Trump thinks he hit
Hillary Clinton, the Clinton folks would love nothing more to see Donald
Trump on the Republican line in the fall. That would be their most fervent
wish. So no, Clinton versus Trump would be quite a fun election but
Hillary would win overwhelmingly.

SHARPTON: And I suspect their second wish would be they`d settle for him
running independent.

RENDELL: Absolutely.

SHARPTON: Either way it would probably help them.

RENDELL: Absolutely.

SHARPTON: Ed Rendell and Clarence Page, thank you and have a great Donald-
free weekend.

PAGE: Thank you, Reverend. You too.

RENDELL: It`s impossible, Rev. It`s impossible.

PAGE: That`s right.

SHARPTON: Coming up, an MSNBC exclusive. Attorney general Loretta Lynch
speaking about voting, policing and the fights she`s facing at the justice

Also Ferguson one year later. I`m here. I`ll talk to Michael Brown`s
father about what it will take to see real change. And why the big
audience for last night`s debate could be bad news for the GOP.

All that plus Jon Stewart`s final show ahead.


JON STEWART, COMEDIAN: This show isn`t ending. We`re merely taking a
small pause in the conversation. A conversation which, by the way, I have
hogged. And I apologize for that.



SHARPTON: Breaking news in the aurora theater shooting trial. The jury
has reached a verdict on whether James Holmes will receive life in prison
or the death penalty. And they read the verdict and they`ll read it
publicly later tonight. If the jury is not unanimous, Holmes will be
automatically sentenced to life in prison. Last month, Holmes was
convicted of murdering 12 people and trying to kill 70 others. We`ll be
right back.


SHARPTON: Attorney general Loretta Lynch is speaking out about the fight
for voting rights in America. This week the attorney general joined
president Obama and civil rights hero John Lewis marking the 50th
anniversary of the voting rights act. Attorney general Lynch talked about
the 2013 Supreme Court ruling when conservative justices gutted a key
section of the law.


LORETTA LYNCH, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: Just two years ago in Shelby v.
Holder, our Supreme Court dealt a serious blow to the voting rights act,
one of the most serious blows it experienced in this 50-year history by
undermining section five of the act the key preclearance section. It was a
blow but it was not a death knell.


SHARPTON: And this week we saw evidence the Supreme Court ruling wasn`t a
death knell when a panel of Texas judges struck down the state`s voter I.D.
law. Today MSNBC`s Melissa Harris-Perry talked to the attorney general
about the impact of the 2013 ruling and other challenges facing the justice

Joining me now is Melissa Harris-Perry. Thank you for being here tonight,
Dr. Perry.


SHARPTON: What did the attorney general say to you about the state of the
voting rights act?

HARRIS-PERRY: Well, you know, I`d seen her -- I saw the attorney general
yesterday at the event that was marking the 50th anniversary. You showed a
little bit of what she spoke about there. And then spoke with her again
today about it. And in both cases, you know, she has the optimism I think
that anyone would feel right now about the fact that the department of
justice just had a big win in Texas, a win that came under section two
demonstrating that, in fact, Texas voter I.D. law, the appeals court saying
that, in fact, that law is discriminatory against African-American and
Latino voters.

But here`s what`s important to know, that is a law that would not have even
been in place if section five, the preclearance, were still in place. So
if the Supreme Court had not gutted the voting rights act, then there would
have been no need for this case. So what I heard the attorney general say
is, this is fantastic that we have won.

On the other hand, we never should have had to fight this fight because, in
fact, we already had a protection that was in place and that protection was
section five, which is really the thing that was gutted under Shelby v.
Holder. But I also heard her say very clearly that she is committed to
continuing to do the work of fighting to protect the sanctity of the vote
here in this country.

SHARPTON: Well, and I think that it should be made clear because I don`t
think a lot of Americans understand that if the new laws like the Texas law
but it`s 21 states that changed laws, voter I.D., early voting days, cancel
Sunday voting, all of that would have had to have been pre-cleared had they
not gutted section five. But the reason is not a death knell is section
two says whether it was intentional or not if the effect is discriminatory,
it still violates the voting rights act.

HARRIS-PERRY: Right. It`s the difference between however in saying, you
know, that if someone wounds you, I can bind up your wound. I can keep it
from being a fatal wound versus I can keep someone from ever wounding you
in the first place.

Now, obviously in the context of a democracy, you want to make sure those
wounds never occur. You want to make sure that no voters are ever
disenfranchised. You want to make sure that the vote is protected, that
people have access to the ballot appropriately. So yes, we still have
section two. You can take Texas, I can take North Carolina to court. But
if section five were in place, they never would have been able to pass
these laws.


HARRIS-PERRY: They never would have been able to inflict the wound.

SHARPTON: Now, I`m in St. Louis today, in Ferguson, and we`ll be talking
to Michael brown`s father in a little while. You asked the attorney
general today whether anything has changed since the justice department`s
report on the unconstitutional policing by the Ferguson police department.


LYNCH: I think actually a lot of things have changed since Ferguson. I
think the importance of that report was that it showed the world what
people in Ferguson and similar situations have been saying for years, but
they just weren`t believed because it was outside the consciousness or
outside the reality of people who didn`t share the situation or didn`t
share their background or hadn`t had those experiences happen to them.

So I think it opened the eyes of America and, frankly, the world to what
many minorities are saying when they talk about feeling a level of
disrespect and a lack of inclusion in their own government particularly at
the municipal level.


HARRIS-PERRY: Yes, she --

SHARPTON: It opened the eyes of America. That`s a strong statement,

HARRIS-PERRY: Absolutely. She was very clear about this. I challenged
her a little because we just saw data that were released yesterday saying
that, in Ferguson, there are still tons of these stops for very small and
petty infractions and that it still seems to be about raising revenue for
the local government. But she was very clear with me to say, look, part of
what that Ferguson report did -- and we know it was a searing report. Part
of what it did was to clarify, to make it so that there is no question that
there are these practices, patterns and practices, of course being the
department of justice that are discriminatory and that what the work of the
department of justice does there is to back up the reality of ordinary
people there on the ground where you are, people who were saying this is
what is happening to us, this is what is happening to our community and
here is the power of the federal government backing them up, having data
and saying, yes, in fact, that`s true and it`s unconstitutional and these
police departments must change. She`s very soft spoken woman. She`s very
careful and thoughtful. But I tell you what, it would be a mistake, I
think, to under estimate the current attorney general.

SHARPTON: Well, as in the word of Dr. Melissa Harris-Perry, absolutely.

Thank you for your time tonight, and make sure you watch Melissa Harris-
Perry weekends at 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on MSNBC. She`ll have more
of her interview with the attorney general Loretta Lynch on Sunday.

Coming up, what happens after the most extreme policies take center stage
on display for the world to see?

Plus, the economy adds more jobs under President Obama. And I`ll give you
one guess how conservatives are responding.


ANNOUNCER: It`s time now for Reverend Al`s weekly report card.

officially in session. And my first lesson is for the GOP. Today, we
learned that 215,000 jobs were created in July. Good news. But over at
FOX, they made it sound like the economy was taking a nose dive.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two hundred and fifteen thousand jobs were added last
month. That`s 8,000 fewer jobs created than the month before.


SHARPTON: Wait a minute. Can I see that graphic again? The job market is
going up. So why is their big scary red arrow pointing down? Innocent
mistake or something more sinister? Reverend Al reports. You decide. But
in the meantime, I`m giving FOX a "u" for their upside-down view of the
jobs report. For my next grade, let`s go to an NFL training camp and a
surprise appearance during an interview.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a receiver, we just work on, you know, running
routes and getting our legs in preparation for camp. We do some agility
drills. We do some work and trying to get in shape working out. We do the
weight room thing to --


SHARPTON: That`s Washington lineman Chris Baker interrupted a teammate`s
interview to show off his best moves. I`m giving three bs for best belly
bomb ever. And my last grade goes to three Republicans making the best of
a bad situation. Rick Santorum, Rick Perry and George Pataki didn`t make
the main stage. So they had their own little party to watch the other guys
in the big debate. I guess three`s company, especially when you don`t make
the cut. I give them a b-f-f, for best friends forever. Thanks to all of
my summer school students tonight. Class dismissed.

ANNOUNCER: That`s tonight`s edition of Reverend Al`s weekly report card.


SHARPTON: Twenty five million people watched last night`s GOP debate. But
for the Republican Party that may not necessarily be a good thing. Because
it was the first chance many people had to see what those guys really
believe. And it turns out they`re out of step with most Americans. Look
at how they went after women`s health rights.


MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS HOST: Would you really let a mother die rather than
have an abortion?

SCOTT WALKER (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, I`m pro-life. I`ve always
been pro-life. And I`ve got a position I think is consistent with many
Americans out there.

continue to ignore the personhood of the individual is a violation of that
unborn child`s fifth and 14th amendment rights.

MARCO RUBIO (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: What I have advocated is that we
pass a law in this country that says all human life at every stage of its
development is worthy of protection.


SHARPTON: No exceptions for rape or incest or maybe even for the life of
the mother? The public disagrees. Seventy four percent say abortion
should be legal if the mother`s life is in danger. And 74 percent think it
should be legal in cases of rape or incest. But they didn`t stop there.
Here`s what the candidates said about immigration.

JOHN KASICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Mr. Trump is touching a nerve
because people want the wall to be built. They want to see an end to
illegal immigration. They want to see -- and we all do.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There are far too many in the
Washington cartel that support amnesty. I have never supported amnesty.

WALKER: Secure the border, enforce the law, no amnesty.


SHARPTON: But a recent poll shows 72 percent of American voters support a
path to citizenship including 56 percent of Republicans. You never get a
second chance to make a first impression, and that could be bad news for
the GOP.

Joining me now are Victoria DeFrancesco-Soto and Dorian Warren. Thank you
for being here tonight.



SHARPTON: Victoria, no exception for rape or incest when it comes to
abortion? How out of step is the GOP on women`s issues? And women`s

DEFRANCESCO-SOTO: Well, you just indicated, Reverend, that the vast
majority of the American public is for keeping a right to an abortion in
circumstances such as saving the mother`s life. So, I think here we see
the Republican Party boxing them self in yet again. After the 2012
presidential election, we saw the Republican Party come out and say, you
know, what, we`re going to do a much better job of reaching out to women,
reaching out to Latinos, reaching out to the LGBT community but out of the
gate they`re already backtracking on that. And we know one thing,
Reverend. We know women vote. We`re consistently higher voters than men
are. And you need these votes if you want to win the White House. And
comments such as Rick Santorum said, not even to save the life of the
mother are going to alienate women and alienate men as well.

SHARPTON: Dorian, the candidates talked a lot about building a wall
instead of a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants. How`s that for
minority outreach?

WARREN: I can only laugh and it`s really sad. You know, there are tears
of sorrow for the Republican Party, because as Victoria just pointed out
that 2013 autopsy of why the Republican Party lost the 2012 presidential
election pointed out and supported some kind of plan for comprehensive
immigration reform. And this is a sure way that backtracking on that
support for comprehensive immigration reform and the hardline and frankly
racist lines from Donald Trump and others in that party around the question
of undocumented immigrants is -- it`s an appeal for primary voters, but it
is a guaranteed recipe for Republicans to lose elections not only in 2016
but in 2018 and 2020. If they don`t figure out a way to recruit
particularly voters of color but especially Latino voters going into the
end of this decade, they will be a party that will never win national

SHARPTON: You know, Victoria, what really struck me was the topics that
were not even mentioned in the primetime debate. Voting rights, climate
change, guns, criminal justice reform, student debt, student debt,
inequality or even the minimum wage. I mean, aren`t these issues the
American public might want to know the candidates` position on? And many
of these issues are the top polled concerns of American voters.

DEFRANCESCO-SOTO: Reverend, you`re absolutely right when you say the
American public. But keep in mind that these candidates were not speaking
to the American public. They were speaking to primary voters. And the
topics that we saw last night, abortion, immigration, gay marriage were red
meat. And this is what we`re going to be seeing during this primary
season. Sadly, I don`t think we`re going to get into these substantive
issues, the economy, how you make ends meet as an American today. We`re
not going to see that until we get into the general election or perhaps
even into February or March because it`s easy to be black and white. It`s
easy to say no, this is the line I`m going to take with regards to abortion
and let`s send all the immigrants home, but it`s difficult to talk about
the nuance, the details of our economy and jobs and how we`re going to make
it work on a day-to-day basis. So, sadly I think red meat to come.

SHARPTON: Well, the only problem is video will follow whoever the winner
of the nomination is into the general election debates and they were part
of this crowd that is doing what is being done now. But Dorian, one thing
I will say that showed some progress is you have to remember four years ago
when there was the audience booing a gay soldier. But last night struck a
different tone. Watch this.


KASICH: The court has ruled and I said we`ll accept it. And guess what?
I just went to a wedding of a friend of mine who happens to be gay.
Because somebody doesn`t think the way I do doesn`t mean that I can`t care
about them or can`t love them. So if one of my daughters happened to be
that, of course I would love them and I would accept them because, you know
what, that`s what we`re taught when we have strong faith.



SHARPTON: Now, it was good to see that applause. It was really good. But
at the same time, doesn`t it also show how out of step the other candidates

WARREN: On issue after issue we`ve been talking about all these issues
whether its women`s reproductive rights, whether it`s immigration, in this
case marriage equality. The Republican Party is out of step with the
majority of Americans on issue after issue. Now, that was one example of
Governor Kasich actually being very smart and savvy and positioning himself
as a moderate particularly on social issues and in this case on LGBT
rights. That actually makes him in my mind pretty dangerous and a
contender if he were to make it through the primary process and be in a
general election with whomever the democratic nominee will be. But that
was smart politics from Governor Kasich`s point of view, but for the rest
of those folks on the stage, whether it`s the junior debate, the jayvee
debate earlier or the primetime debate, they`re out of touch with the
majority of Americans. But as Victoria said, they`re really appealing to
the red meat of their primary voters here.

SHARPTON: No, there`s no doubt about it. The only problem is that I`m
sure a lot more than their followers were watching last night. And again,
those tapes will be there all the way through the general election. And if
you are on that stage and didn`t object, it may come back to haunt you.
Victoria Defrancesco Soto and Dorian Warren, thank you both for your time.
And have a great weekend.

WARREN: Thank you, Reverend Al, you too.

DEFRANCESCO-SOTO: Thank you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Coming up, Ferguson one year later. I`ll talk to Michael
Brown`s father on the progress he`s seen and what still needs to change.

And Jon Stewart signs off. The stars come out for an emotional farewell.


SHARPTON: Sunday marks one year since the shooting death of Michael Brown
in Ferguson, Missouri. This weekend Ferguson will mark the date with
marches, protests and concerts remembering Michael Brown. And also
highlighting the need for greater progress. Today Ferguson has a new
interim police chief, Andre Anderson. And the Ferguson commission has
developed nearly 150 calls to action. It met today and its final report is
due to Governor Jay Nixon next month. And yet, "The New York Times"
reports Ferguson residents feel just as estranged from police as they did a
year ago, just as skeptical of the city`s leaders, black or white. One
resident said, quote, "The mind-set is still that it`s normal to have the
police stop African-Americans and harass us and shake us down." One year
after Michael Brown`s death, we`ve seen steps in the right direction, but
we still have a long way to go.

Joining me now is Michael Brown, Sr. and Anthony Gray, the Brown family
attorney. Thank you both for being here tonight.



SHARPTON: Mr. Brown, first of all, how are you feeling going into this

BROWN: Well, the emotions are still the same. It`s like repeating itself,
you know. Because last year it moved real fast. You know. It was a fast-
paced process. We was yanked from left to right, you know, doing a lot of
media and everything. And we didn`t get a chance to sit down. So it`s
just like it`s just popped right back up on us.

SHARPTON: You`ve called for changes in policing in America. Have you seen
any progress?

BROWN: Yes. Mike Brown have made a lot of changes for other families, but
personally for me, I haven`t seen any changes.

SHARPTON: Attorney Gray, has Ferguson changed or not changed in the last

GRAY: Well, cosmetically it has changed. Substantively the change has
been very incremental, almost invisible, but you can detect perhaps some
movement in the current but just not big enough to be able to report to you
a year later that change in the sense of the word made a change has ever
taken place because it hasn`t. But look, but Al, what I was saying --

SHARPTON: Mr. Brown --

GRAY: Go ahead.

SHARPTON: Go ahead.

GRAY: No, I was just going to say that the trajectory is in the right
direction. I do see that from top to bottom, there have been some
incremental movement. And I think any movement from where we were a year
ago is positive. So, I did want to make that statement and kind of end on
a positive note.

SHARPTON: I understand, Mr. Brown, that you haven`t shaved your beard
since your son died. Tell me about that.

BROWN: Right. Well, you know, I`ve been growing it ever since the day
that it happened. Family members did want me to cut it down some, but I`m
going to keep it until I see some type of results. Any type of results I
see, maybe I start trimming on it. But it means a lot to me, you know.

SHARPTON: And I know from day one how much your son meant. I remember a
year ago when his grandfather called me. I come in the funeral and all.
And how do you want your son to be remembered?

BROWN: I want his legacy to be, you know, to be remembered, you know, not
that person that he was painted but a caring person, a person of love, you
know. That`s why I`m speaking up for him, you know, to show and the
support and what his backbone actually was. So that`s what I want to be
looked at on the positive tip of the situation that`s who we were and what
America didn`t see.

SHARPTON: One of the things that impressed me is the determination of the
family to keep going and doing positive work and getting change. Tell me
about the work that your foundation chosen for change has been doing and
what it plans to do this weekend and beyond, the chosen for change

BROWN: Yes, we`ve been -- we have a lot of events set up for this weekend.
We did act of kindness for the homeless this morning. We fed the homeless.
This evening we have a concert with a few artists coming in. It`s called a
benefit concert. It`s basically heal our city concert to help bring
everyone together and have a good time. Tomorrow we have a march from
Canfield to Normandy in remembrance of my son Michael Brown, Jr. Normandy
was the school he graduated from last year in August on the 2nd when he
finished summer school because he graduated out of summer school. So we
have a lot of events that`s going towards the positive image of what we`re
trying to get out of our people.

SHARPTON: Attorney Gray, I know that Leslie, his mother, is doing a lot.
I know the whole family is moving positive and getting support and has been
structured in a way to really benefit the community in a positive way.

GRAY: Mm-hmm. That`s true. Chose to change also, and I`ll just take the
moment to kind of plug this in, Al. We get a lot of calls all the time for
members of the public that want to support the chosen for change move
movement. We recently struck in agreement with discover card and we`re
asking those that want to continue their financial support of this movement
that the Chosen for Change Foundation is beginning to look us up on the
chosen for change website, you know, get a prepaid discover card, the
annual fee that`s charged for the card, a portion of that will help be the
financial vehicle by which chosen for change will operate from. So we`re
now making a broader appeal. We get the calls all the time that people
want to help. Now they can assist us or the Chosen for Change Foundation
can continue its good work in the community.

SHARPTON: And all of it for the community work here in Ferguson and
around. Michael Brown Sr., certainly we continue to pray for you and the
entire family. Anthony Gray, thank you both for being here tonight. I`ll
be with you, of course, later today. We`ll be right back.

GRAY: All right. Thank you.

BROWN: Thank you, sir.

SHARPTON: Ahead Jon Stewart last laughs leaving "The Daily Show" after 16
years. We`ll tell you what his next gig will be. Stay with us.



JON STEWART, HOST, "THE DAILY SHOW": Nothing ends. It`s just a
continuation. It`s a pause in the conversation. So rather than saying
good-bye or good night, I`m just going to say I`m going to go get a drink
and I`m sure I`ll see you guys before I leave.


SHARPTON: Jon Stewart saying good night to late night. Walking away from
the "Daily Show" after 16 years. President Obama tweeted, you`ve been a
great gift to the country. Other public figures said their good-byes
during the show.


STEWART: Do you have any idea the trail of hate that you`ve left behind?
Roll 212.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m Paul Brown, CEO of Arby`s brought to you tonight by
Jon Stewart. Jon Stewart, it`s like your TV threw up on your face.

but I will be trying.

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D), NEW YORK: Good riddance smart (bleep). Don`t go.
Come back. Jon, I`m being sarcastic.

president. What a bummer.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: I`m Jon Stewart. I`m dumb. I`m stupid.
Nya, nya, nya. So long (bleep).


SHARPTON: Comedy central revealed what`s next for Stewart tweeting that
he`ll be creating an animal sanctuary on his New Jersey farm. It`s Jon`s
last day. He`s going on to a wonderful life on a farm upstate. No,
seriously. That`s true. MSNBC`s special "Jon Stewart has left the
building" will air tonight at 9:00. I went on camera and shared my
thoughts for the special. You don`t want to miss it. Well, Jon Stewart
has left the building. He`s left the stage. But he`s certainly left the
stage a lot better than when he found it.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.


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