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Date: August 12, 2015
Guest: Jimmy Williams, Jonathan Capehart, Hardin Lang, Seema Iyer, Eric
Guster, Michelle Cottle, Amy Holmes

REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Tonight on "Politics Nation," new poll
numbers for Donald Trump. And a big headache for Jeb Bush. Trump calling
out Bush on Iraq.

Also, Bernie Sanders pulls ahead of Hillary Clinton in a key state.
President Obama writes an emotional letter about voting rights.

And heart-breaking video from an Ohio jail. A woman`s final words before
her tragic death.

Welcome to "Politics Nation." I`m here tonight in Los Angeles, a city
still grappling with the legacy of the watts riots 50 years later. We`ll
have more on that later in the show.

But we begin tonight with big news out of Iowa. A new poll finding Donald
Trump trouncing the competition there. Scott Walker, who at one time was
leading in the state, down to third place. And Jeb Bush, who many had
thought would be the race`s front-runner, in seventh place. Moments ago,
Trump responded to that poll and on what he thinks about life on the trail.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I am enjoying it. I was in last
night as you probably heard, in fact, you put it all over your show, I was
in Michigan and it was an amazing crowd. We had 3,000 people, and they
turned away a tremendous number of people because the place just couldn`t
hold any more. And it was an absolutely fabulous evening, and it was
standing ovations all over the place.


SHARPTON: He`s enjoying it. And he also seems to be enjoying going after
his opponents. The latest, Rand Paul, who accused Trump of being a phony


TRUMP: You know, you look at a guy like rand Paul, he`s failing in the
polls, he`s weak on the military, he`s pathetic on military. I mean,
here`s a guy called me, a year ago, let`s play golf, can we go and play
golf. I think he`s a far better doctor than he is a senator. And you
know, I mean, it is fine. They are trying to do a little bit of a number.
The last two people that did it were Lindsey Graham, he came at me really
hard and he`s now at zero. And Rick Perry was at four percent and he came
at me really hard and went down to two which was a great honor. And look,
Rand`s campaign is failing. I think he -- hasn`t his whole team been
indicted? I mean, I have been reading where --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think the super Pac supporting him.

TRUMP: Yes, they`ve been indicted. So, you know, he`s a mess, there`s no
question about it.


SHARPTON: Now, Senator Paul has not been indicted, but Mr. Trump won`t let
that stand in the way of a good attack line. And he got in a dig at Jeb
Bush also, who is down to seventh place in Iowa.


TRUMP: Unlike Jeb Bush, unlike the brother and you know, who got us into
the whole war, I was totally opposed to the war. I`m the only one of all
the candidates running, I am the only one, the absolute only one that
opposed the war. So, you know, one of those things. And you could call
that vision.


SHARPTON: Trump hitting Bush right where he`s weakest, on Iraq and his
brother`s legacy. Trump`s enjoying it. And a lot of Democrats are
probably enjoying it too.

Joining me now are Michelle Cottle from "National Journal" and Amy Holmes,
host of "Hot List" on the Thank you both for being here.



SHARPTON: Amy, Trump says he`s enjoying this. Do his GOP rivals feel the
same way?

HOLMES: I think there`s a pretty simple answer to that, and that is no.
Of course not. But Donald Trump should be enjoying himself. He is riding
high in the polls. He gets to go to these crowds chanting his name,
cheering him on. What`s not to love? Particularly for a man who loves
attention and here we are giving it to him. I mean, he is the Jesse
Ventura of politics, and he`s having a great time wrestling with his GOP

SHARPTON: Michelle, Trump is at 22 percent in Iowa. Now, is this bubble
going to burst?

COTTLE: Of course, this bubble is going to burst at some point. I mean,
right now, the only people paying attention to politics are the people who
are really fired up about something. And Donald Trump is running a
campaign entirely aimed at the gut. He wants people to be angry just like
he`s angry. They`re responding to his demagoguery, but at some point,
everybody will pay attention and the numbers will rationalize. The
question s at that point, does he then decide to run an independent
candidacy, and that could be real trouble for his opponents.

SHARPTON: Now, Amy, before I get you on the independent candidacy, the
fact is that he`s faced another question, that he`s not a real
conservative. Here`s how he answered that question last night.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To those that doubt your conservatism, explain the
transition. How did you grow into a conservative?

TRUMP: It`s sort of easy to explain. Now, one of the things I always
start with, Ronald Reagan was a Democrat and he was sort of liberal. And I
knew him. I didn`t know him quite, but I knew him well. And I knew him
well. He liked me, I liked him. He was like this great guy. And he was a
Democrat, with a liberal bent, and he became a great conservative, in my


SHARPTON: Now, one, Amy, do conservatives accept his comparison to Reagan?


SHARPTON: But let me also raise this to you. It`s interesting Trump
touted Reagan, because in his book, the art of the deal, he compared Reagan
to a con-man, writing quote "you can`t con people, at least not for long.
If you don`t deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on. Ronald
Reagan is another example. So smooth and so effective a performer that he
completely won over the American people. But he said by the end of
Reagan`s second term, people were beginning to question whether there`s
anything beneath that smile."

These are his quotes. Now all of a sudden he`s a big fan. So was he
saying things about Reagan then that rand Paul and others are raising about
him now, Amy?

HOLMES: Well, that would just be yet another Donald Trump liberal flip
flop here. He doesn`t get to just say the name Ronald Reagan as an
incantation and voila, he`s a conservative. You don`t get to be a
conservative by association. He doesn`t seem to have very conservative
ideas. He just came out saying he`s for a wealth tax, and he thinks that`s
conservative if it pays down the debt.

He said yesterday that he supports taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood,
where none of his GOP rivals support that and a lot of conservatives don`t
because money is tangible and pro-lifers certainly don`t want to see
taxpayer dollars going to an abortion provider.

Donald Trump, I think, says what people want to hear, as Michelle was
mentioning earlier. And for now, it`s working. But I don`t know when
rubber hits the road, when he actually has to have organization and
constituents, particular in Iowa to come out and vote for him and actually
pull the refer, that he`s necessarily going to have support. I don`t want
to make predictions because he`s certainly blown past all of them.


Now Michelle, in that same line, Trump is now starting to face questions
about where he stands, obviously. He told the "New York times" quote "when
you`re dealing," I`m reading his quote, "and that`s what I am, I`m a
dealer, you don`t go in with plans. You go in with a certain flexibility.
And you sort of wheel and deal. You wheel and deal."

Are GOP voters going to like that when they hear that, if he ever outlines
his policies? Are they going to like it? He`s wheeling and dealing,
Michelle. His words, not mine.

COTTLE: Well, this could be the rare candidate whose position is, I`m
going to bend whichever way the wind blows. I don`t think that the whole
kind of pushing policies down the road will work indefinitely.

Right now, though, again, nobody is looking at policy details. A lot of
the other candidates haven`t gotten their details out. It is pure
personality, pure demagoguery, and for the crowds that he`s, you know,
talking to these days, that`s what they want to hear. They can worry about
all the tiki-tacky (ph) policy details later when everybody else starts
paying attention.

SHARPTON: Now, let me ask you another question, Amy. We`re talking a lot
about Trump in politics and we should, he`s leading in the polls. But I
noticed that Dr. Ben Carson came in second, has risen in the polls and of
course that`s of interest. You and I have debated down through the years
and there are people that are of African-American descent that are
conservative. He came and spoke at the convention at my group, National
Action Network, was pretty well respected and here he`s rising in the
polls. What does that mean?

HOLMES: Well, I think it`s very good news for Dr. Carson, and particularly
in Iowa. Power line blog, a conservative blogger, has been reporting on
Ben Carson`s campaign events in Iowa and evangelicals in Iowa love him,
that he`s thoughtful, he discusses his faith and how it informs his
politics. And of course, you know, he gave the speech that launched him at
the national prayer breakfast standing next to President Obama and willing
to take him on directly. And that, of course, endeared him to a lot of
conservatives. He did a great job last Thursday. His closing argument
many pundits thought was the winner closing argument of the night with
humor, warmth, at least watching on TV, it seems that the crowd had great
affection for him.

SHARPTON: And I wanted to give you an opportunity to discuss that, because
I believe that we can disagree without being disagreeable. You have the
right to be totally wrong, and so does Dr. Carson.

HOLMES: I extend that to you as well, Reverend.

SHARPTON: So kind of you.

But, Michelle, let me ask, this comedian Stephen Colbert is begging Trump
to stay in the race long enough for him to do his new show. Check this


STEPHEN COLBERT, COMEDIAN: This is not an invitation, Mr. Trump. This is
a dare. I dare you to come on the show. Please, Mr. Trump, take care of
yourself. Take your vitamins. Don`t do anything dangerous. Just stay
healthy and engage the political process until September 9th.


SHARPTON: I mean, if some of Trump`s biggest fans are Democrats and late-
night comedians, I mean, what does that really say, Michelle?

COTTLE: Well, it tells you that he`s in the right spot right now. All he
wants is attention. There`s nothing that he`s not willing to do. And on
some level, why not? You know, he is not a serious candidate for the long
run. He might as well get all the fun out of it he can right now, go to
all the rallies, chant, while it`s still kind of a fringe game at this

HOLMES: And can I add, reverend, he just promised, when he was going after
Bernie Sanders, that if any black lives matter activists interrupt a Donald
Trump campaign speech, he doesn`t know if he`ll personally fight them, but
somebody will and that`s going to be media gold.

SHARPTON: You know I support any issues that bring issues out, Black Lives
Matter, NAACP is what we are doing in Mass Action Network. I think he`s
trying to bait a fight. I think people want to deal with issues.

But thank both of you, Michelle Cottle and Amy Holmes, thank you both for
being on tonight.

COTTLE: Thank you.

HOLMES: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: Ahead, breaking news on the health of former president Jimmy
Carter, diagnosed with cancer. Moments ago, we got reaction from President

Also, the chilling words of an Ohio woman said to police officers one day
before she was found dead in her jail cell.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But I will tell you this, I don`t want to die in your


SHARPTON: And fact-checking Jeb Bush on Iraq, we break down his new attack
on President Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Plus, the Bernie Sanders bombshell. He`s leading Hillary Clinton in a new
poll. Is it a wake-up call for the Clinton campaign?


SHARPTON: Breaking news, former president Jimmy Carter says he has cancer.
In a statement released today, he said quote "recent liver surgery revealed
that I have cancer that now is in other parts of my body. I will be
rearranging my schedule as necessary so I can undergo treatment by
physicians at Emery health care."

And moments ago, President Obama issued a statement that said quote
"Michelle and I send our best wishes to President Carter and a fast and
full recovery. Our thoughts and prayers are with Rosalyn and the entire
Carter family as they face this challenge with the same Grace and
determination that they have shown so many times before. Jimmy, you`re as
resilient as they come. And along with the rest of America, we are rooting
for you."

President carter is 90 years old. Our thoughts and prayers are with him
and his family and we wish him all the best in the fight ahead.


SHARPTON: Time now for the justice files. We start with new developments
in the fatal shooting of an unarmed teen in Texas. The Arlington PD has
fired the rookie officer who shot and killed Christian Taylor. Officers
were responding to reports of a break-in at a car dealership. But the
police chief says officer brad Miller failed to wait for his partner before
following Taylor, and didn`t have a plan for making an arrest, leading to
cascading consequences.


of the evidence available to me and the facts revealed by the investigative
team, I have decided to terminate Officer Miller`s employment with the
Arlington police department for exercising poor judgment.


SHARPTON: The chief said Taylor never made physical contact with any of
the officers. The officer`s attorney released a statement saying, in part
quote "the police chief used 20/20 hindsight to protect his job and appease
anti-police activists. Officer Miller made decisions in the heat of a
violent confrontation to save his and other officers` lives."

The FBI has declined the police department`s request to investigate, saying
they have confidence in the existing investigation.

Joining me now is Seema Iyer and Eric Guster. Eric, by the way, I hear is
now a municipal judge.



SEEMA IYER, HOST, THE DOCKET: Congratulations.

SHARPTON: Seema, so the officer has been fired. Are you surprised how
quickly that happened?

IYER: I am not. But I think it`s also because of collectively what has
gone on in this country with police officers shooting and killing young
people. And I know it`s not just young black men, it`s also a young white
man who also suffered the same consequences.

SHARPTON: In South Carolina.

IYER: Right. So I do think it isn`t surprising. However it is a big step
to fire someone, instead of just suspending them. And it also goes back to
looking at what type of training this rookie received. And clearly he
wasn`t aware of what to do when approaching someone who looks possibly
under the influence of a drug, or, Rev., possibly mentally ill.

SHARPTON: Also Judge Eric, it doesn`t answer why this officer who was in
training was there in the first place, and the fact that his lawyer, the
officer`s lawyer says it was -- he dealt in a violent confrontation saving
lives. But the police chief is saying, he never made any contact
physically with any of the officers.

GUSTER: That`s going to be a very interesting question. Because the
police department has to look at the videotapes from inside the car
dealership and exactly what happened. Because in the chief`s statement, he
said the officer was fired because he -- essentially, he did not follow
protocol. Meaning, he did not wait on his partner, before he made contact
with the suspect. And that is the issue at hand. It`s not about the
shooting. That`s why the police chief was kind of making sure with this
written statement, that he was very specific as to why.

He`s not saying the officer was wrong in shooting the young man. He`s
saying he was wrong for not following protocol and not waiting on his
backup, which is going to be interesting going forward, if any civil
litigation comes out in this case.

SHARPTON: And civil litigation is possible, but also, Seema, the FBI
declined to investigate the shooting at the request of the local

IYER: Right.

SHARPTON: That request was made. But a spokesman for the Dallas office
said, and I`m quoting here, full confidence in the ability of the Arlington
police department and Tarrant county district attorney`s office to conduct
a full investigation of this matter. They also added the agency will get
involved if it determines a civil rights violation has occurred. What
could prompt the FBI to get involved? How do you see a civil rights
possible violation?

IYER: That`s a great question. Because the Arlington -- the police
department itself has to re-examine their training and saying, are we not
training our officers properly and does that the FBI not have to get
involved? Or is there some type of biased going on? Is this something
like the Ferguson report where they found that it was a police-wide problem
that needs to be fixed?

And I do think the FBI should get involved, Rev. Because sometimes you
need an outsider to look in and see what`s happening. How can you, while
you`re in it, really be objective in analyzing your department?

GUSTER: Yes. And this gets a little different, because he was in the
commission of a crime. Clearly, he was trespassing at a minimum and
burglarizing at most.

IYER: And that was their call.

SHARPTON: But it wasn`t a life extenuating circumstance, so that`s where
we`ll have to see where this goes.

Let me move on or next story, growing focus on an Ohio woman found dead in
her cell late last month. Cleveland Heights police release body camera
showing Ralkina Jones` arrest after a fight with the ex-boyfriend. In the
video, you can hear Jones talking with officers inside the jail, detailing
her concern about several health conditions, including a reported brain
injury. That`s when she spoke these fateful words.


RALKINA JONES, VICTIM: I`m not asking for any exceptions to any rules, but
I will tell you this, I don`t want to day in your cell.


SHARPTON: The video also shows the officers talking to her about her
health and how she can speak to her family.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have a suggestion --

JONES: Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But it`s going to be up to the next lieutenant. She`s
going to be here all night. There`s a female cell available. It`s a big
block that has a phone that you can call collect on. My only concern is,
with your health issues, it`s easier to keep an eye on you here because
it`s harder for you to disappear.


SHARPTON: Later that evening, jail personnel took Jones to a health clinic
for appearing, quote, "lethargic." She was released a few hours later and
taken back to jail where she was monitored during routine checks overnight.
She was found dead in her cell at 7:30 the next morning. The medical
examiner`s office say an initial autopsy revealed no suspicious injuries.
Police say she was given medicine while in custody. Eric, where does this
investigation go from here?

GUSTER: Well, I`m sure that the family`s going to order an independent
autopsy to see if there`s any evidence of any foul play. But it sounds
like the police department may have dropped the ball in that she asked for
medical help, told them the several different medical issues she had going
on, and they had a responsibility, as they continue to have responsibility,
to make sure that people get the medical treatment that they need. Even if
they have to take a person to the hospital, put an officer there to watch
them overnight, that is the police department`s responsibility. And they
obviously failed in the situation.

SHARPTON: But they did give medicine to her.

IYER: But, Rev., they`re not doctors. Just today I had two clients`
families call me about their loved ones not being treated in jail. They
are corrections officers, or police officers, they are not doctors. And
exactly what Judge Eric just said, you take them to the hospital with an
officer to watch them. Because it doesn`t matter if there aren`t
suspicious injuries. The question becomes but for not receiving immediate
medical attention would this person have lived? And then they have broken

SHARPTON: Judge Eric, they will say they took her to a medical clinic.
And a lot also with be raised in an independent autopsy, is whether there
was timely and whether they were medicated properly -- he was medicated
properly at the medical center.

GUSTER: Which the lack of proper medication wouldn`t show as an injury.
Because that`s where they may have fallen short, where they did not give
her the right amount of pills, the right drugs. The medical clinic could
have been a whack doctor that didn`t know her medical condition and
history. So there are a lot of layers to this they`ll find out in the
coming months.

IYER: And whack say legal term, Rev. I`m telling you right now.

SHARPTON: All right, Seema Iyer and Judge Eric Guster, thank you both for
your time tonight.

GUSTER: Thank you.

IYER: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Don`t forget to catch Seema on "the Docket," Tuesdays at 11:00
a.m. eastern on Shift by MSNBC.

Coming up, a wake-up call in the democratic primary. Bernie Sanders jumps
ahead of Hillary Clinton in a key state.

Plus, an unexpected move from President Obama to push for voting rights.
Stay with us.


SHARPTON: Today, President Obama took his fight for voting rights to the
pages of the "New York Times." He wrote a letter in response to "The
Times" recently article detailing a half century of efforts to undermine
voting rights. President Obama writes, quote, "I was inspired to read
about unsung American heroes like Rosanell Eaton. I am where I am today
because men and women like Rosanell Eaton refused to accept anything less
than a full measure of equality. Their efforts made our country a better
place. It`s now up to us to continue those efforts. Congress must restore
the voting rights act." Ninety four-year-old Rosanell Eaton has been
fighting for the right to vote since the 1930s. And she`s still involved
today, challenging voter suppression laws in North Carolina.

I had the honor of speaking with Miss Eaton on POLITICS NATION last year.


SHARPTON: Decades after Jim crow, could you have ever imagined fighting
for the right to vote again, after all these years?

ROSANELL EATON, CIVIL RIGHTS ICON: No, I can`t imagine that I`ve got to go
through the same thing that I went through 80 years ago. At least 75. I
can`t imagine going through that again. But I am going through it. And
it`s actually worse than it was then.


SHARPTON: Civil rights are still a huge issue in the country today. Just
as they were in Watts 50 years ago. More on that ahead.


SHARPTON: Tonight new signs that the Bernie Sanders surge is real. A
bombshell new poll put his numbers at number one in New Hampshire. Topping
Hillary Clinton among Democrats. Sanders just spoke to MSNBC`s Andrea
Mitchell about it just moments ago.


are young people, working-class people, who understand that both the
economics of America today and the politics of America today are rigged in
favor of the wealthy and the powerful. Almost all of the new income and
wealth is going to the top one percent, the billionaire class is now able
to, through Citizens United, put unlimited sums of money into campaigns and
basically select the candidates they want. And people are saying enough
and enough and I think we`re seeing a lot of support for our campaign as a


SHARPTON: The poll comes as huge crowds turn out for rallies on the
campaign trail, the biggest for any candidate so far. It does have a
silver lining for Clinton. More Democrats say they would pick Sanders, but
a majority, 65 percent still believe Clinton will actually win the
nomination. The poll comes as she`s hit a rough patch with her e-mail
controversy. So the timing could provide an opening for Sanders. And
Republicans have noticed even Donald Trump took some time to bash Sanders
about protesters that interrupted one of his events.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I thought that was disgusting.
That showed such weakness. That was a disgrace. I felt badly for him.
But it showed that he`s weak. You know what, he`s getting the biggest
crowds and I`m getting the biggest crowds. We`re the two getting the
crowds. But believe me, that`s not going to happen to Trump.


SHARPTON: Joining me now, is Jimmy Williams of and
MSNBC contributor Jonathan Capehart. Thank you both for being here.



SHARPTON: So, Jonathan, a sure sign that Bernie has arrived, he`s getting
attacked by Donald Trump. Now, is Trump also shrewdly here trying to help
bolster Bernie, so it`s taking a shot at Mrs. Clinton? I mean, what does
this mean?

CAPEHART: Well, I think this is sort of fitting in with the pattern that
Donald Trump has been using. You know that you are actually making some
head way when he attacks you. He attacks Jeb Bush, he attacks Rand Paul,
actually like tried to snuff him out for real. He attacks Marco Rubio, and
on the democratic side, he was hammering away at Secretary Clinton, but now
that Bernie Sanders is surging in the polls, at least in the poll of New
Hampshire voters, he`s going after Bernie. But you know, he`s going to be
hitting at both Clinton and Sanders a lot over the next few weeks, the next
few months. Because there`s another poll out of Iowa caucus goers, that
shows Hillary Clinton definitely in the lead, beating Bernie Sanders, 50
percent to 31 percent and leading in all groups of Democrats. So Donald
Trump is going to have a whole lot of fun attacking Democrats and
Republicans over the next few weeks and months.

SHARPTON: Now, Jimmy, Clinton has a strong lead over Sanders in
favorability amongst black Americans nationwide. She has 80 percent
favorability, Sanders` favorability at 23 percent. Is support among
minorities one of the biggest obstacles for the Sanders campaign?

WILLIAMS: I think that`s very true. I think a large part of it is they
just don`t know who he is. I would suggest to you that there aren`t many
African-Americans that live in the state of Vermont and Vermont is not a
very populated state. Therefore, I can do simple math and tell you that
they just don`t know most black Americans don`t know who Bernie Sanders is.
They will get to know who he is. He has another problem which is his
performance Netroots Nation, with Black Lives Matter and then again doing
the same thing in Seattle with one of his campaign rallies. I`m not so
sure that poll is not an outlier.

In the four polls prior to this, Hillary Clinton was bumping up at 50
percent. Bernie Sanders was in the 30s. And this poll also
underestimates, I think very much underestimated, older voters. In 2008,
for example, in New Hampshire, people above 55 years of age, they came out
at 40-something percent. So this assumes that only under 30 percent of
people over 55 will actually vote for her. That`s a problem. There`s a
bigger problem with this poll. And let me just say this very quickly, and
that is, of these people that were polled that are now saying they favored
Bernie Sanders, an overwhelming number of them, 36 percent say that he
can`t win the general election against any republican nominee. That`s a

SHARPTON: Jonathan, one of the things in terms of the minority polling on
Sanders is true, a lot of them don`t know him. But it reminds me of 2004
when Howard Dean and I were in the democratic primaries and he was saying
that a lot of blacks didn`t know him. But it also then says then, how do
we know how you deal with race relations? And I think that`s one of the
reasons that Bernie Sanders have begun to address racial inequalities,
because saying that they don`t know me, there are none in my state, you
have to then say, well, then how would you govern, and how would you deal
with it? And part of his progressive message, he`s saying, directing what
he would deal with in terms of inequalities. Listen to this.


SANDERS: There is no president who will fight harder to end institutional
racism in this country.


The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our


SHARPTON: How is that kind of message affecting Secretary Clinton,

CAPEHART: Well, I mean, Secretary Clinton is also talking about income
inequality, but it`s Bernie Sanders who has been talking about these things
for decades now. Remember, he`s running as a democrat, but he`s a
socialist. So, this is a big thing for socialists. So for minority
communities, people of color, African-Americans in particular, they`ll
going to pay attention very closely to what he has to say. But that 80
percent favorability number, among African-American for Secretary Clinton,
one thing that Jimmy left out, and that is sort of residual loyalty to the
Clintons among African-Americans.

You know, African-Americans were the stalwart backers of President Clinton
during impeachment. Because of their support, President Clinton`s overall
job approval rating was up in the 60s. And so now that his wife is running
for president, President Obama is not running for re-election, people are a
little nostalgic, they see that there`s Bill`s wife, for better or for
worse, former secretary of state, former senator from New York, she`s
running and they know who she is. It`s incumbent upon Bernie Sanders to
try to break through that.

SHARPTON: Yes. But she had favorabilities Jonathan, in `07 and `08 and it
didn`t bear out when African-Americans went to the polls. And they had the
same nostalgia, she was beaten in the African-American community by Barack
Obama. So I wouldn`t underestimate him if Bernie Sanders --


CAPEHART: Especially after Barack Obama won Iowa.

SHARPTON: And started dealing with a lot of these issues.


SHARPTON: -- And other things began galvanizing the vote. But bottom-line,
Jimmy, does the Clinton campaign have something to worry about?

WILLIAMS: No, I think the Clinton campaign has a strategy. Robby Mook,
who is the campaign manager has put out a document talking about how
campaigns, they go through fluctuations. Polls go up, polls go down. This
is normal. We`ve seen this over and over and over again. Is this poll an
outlier? Perhaps, I think it is. But at the end of the day, the Clinton
campaign has a strategy, they`re going to stick with it and I think that
they probably should.

SHARPTON: Jimmy Williams and Jonathan Capehart, thank you both for your
time tonight.

CAPEHART: Thank you very much.

WILLIAMS: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, we found a few key details that Jeb Bush left out
of his speech about his brother`s war in Iraq.

And it`s been 50 years since the Watts riots shocked the nation. I`ll talk
about what`s changed and what hasn`t.



TRUMP: Unlike Jeb Bush, unlike the brother, unlike in the brother, you
know, who got us into the whole war, I was totally opposed to the war. You
have to know when to go and when to use the military. They used it at the
wrong point.


SHARPTON: Late today, Donald Trump ripping Jeb Bush over the war in Iraq.
It`s an attack that might sting, coming less than 24 hours after Jeb Bush
blasted President Obama and Hillary Clinton for withdrawing from Iraq too


FMR. GOV. JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: So why was the success of
the surge followed by a withdrawal from Iraq? That premature withdrawal
was the fatal error. And where was the Secretary of State? Where was
Secretary Clinton in all of this? Like the President himself, she had
opposed the surge, then joined in claiming credit for its success. They
stood by as that hard-won victory by American allied forces was thrown


SHARPTON: Bush attacked President Obama and Hillary Clinton for the
withdrawal date. But somehow he forgot to mention the person who actually
set the withdrawal date. That`s right. George W. Bush established it
before he left office, determining troops shall withdraw no later than
December 31st, 2011. In fact, Jeb Bush failed to mention his brother or
the policies that launched the U.S. war a single time in this speech. He
also left out the massive toll that the Iraq war and the surge took on U.S.
troops. Under President Bush, over 35,000 U.S. troops were injured or
killed in Iraq. Under President Obama, 1,880 casualties. This is the real
legacy of the war in Iraq. And Jeb Bush would be wise to remember it.

Joining me now is Hardin Lang, senior fellow at the Center for American
Progress. Thank you for being here tonight.


SHARPTON: Jeb Bush didn`t mention the name George Bush wants. Has he
forgotten the real lessons of the Iraq war?

LANG: Look, I`ll give him points for bravery here. If your last name is
Bush and you`re out there critiquing policy and failure in Iraq, that`s a
pretty brave move. I mean, if there`s any original sin here, we`re going
to have to lay that at the previous Bush administration. I think everyone
pretty much knows that ISIS grew out of al Qaeda in Iraq, and al Qaeda
wasn`t in Iraq until we invaded in 2003 and dismantled the military, so.

SHARPTON: Now -- go ahead.

LANG: Please.

SHARPTON: Let me bring that point up, because I want to play this. He did
mention his brother ordered the decision to invade Iraq, which you had
referred to here, but he made a passing reference to the, quote, "failures
of intelligence." Listen to this.


BUSH: In a long experience that includes failures of intelligence and
military setbacks, one moment stands out in memory as the turning point we
had all been waiting for. And that was the surge.


SHARPTON: Failure of intelligence, includes failures and military
setbacks. I mean, is he glossing over what got us into this war in the
first place?

LANG: Look, I mean, this would be amusing if it wasn`t slightly offensive.
It`s an awfully dangerous move to start talking about failures of
intelligence when the colossal failure of intelligence that led the
administration, or the administration blamed in 2003 for invading Iraq,
really is at the heart of the matter here. And quite frankly, what I find
a little bit sort of problematic about the entire speech last night is,
there was no real clear path of the way forward.


LANG: You know, candidate Bush talked a lot about the need to be more
resolute and tougher in Iraq and about the possibility of putting a few
more troops in, but he didn`t say anything about how we were going to help
the Iraqis work on the politics of the situation, which is really what`s
led to the revival of ISIS.

SHARPTON: You know, it also looks like Jeb Bush is taking a page from his
brother`s foreign policy playbook, when you look at who is assembled to
advise him. Nineteen of the 21 members of his foreign policy team worked
for his brother or his father. Is Jeb Bush promising the return of the
Bush doctrine, Hardin?

LANG: Well, he`s certainly surrounding himself with the architects of that
doctrine, and that`s got to be cause for concern if nothing else. The
other issue is, if you look at what he said in Syria, what he called for,
were the establishment of not just one, but a number of safe zones
throughout the country. And that we would start imposing a no-fly zone to
enforce that. And while I can understand a bit of the logic there, the
question is, who`s going to actually defend those safe zones on the ground?
I mean, as everyone knows, Northern Syria looks pretty much like Somalia at
the moment. And so if we`re talking about American troops on the ground to
protect people underneath American planes, then we`re right down the path
that led us into trouble in Iraq in the first place.

SHARPTON: Hardin Lang, thank you for your time tonight.

LANG: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, a new version of Dr. King`s iconic, "I Have a
Dream" speech as you`ve never heard it before.

Plus, 50 years after the Watts riots, the positive steps we`ve seen, and
the change we still need to fight for.


SHARPTON: We`re back with a story that we couldn`t bring you yesterday
because of breaking news. Historians have released a new audio version of
Dr. King`s "I Have a Dream" speech. It was given a year before the march
on Washington at a high school gym in North Carolina.


One day men will do unto others as they would have others to do unto them.
I have a dream tonight. One day my little daughter and my two sons will
grow up in a world not conscious of the color of their skin, but only
conscious of the fact that they are members of the human race. I have a
dream tonight.


SHARPTON: Those words in that small high school gym were the first steps
toward a speech that would go down in history. But his dream remains
unfulfilled. From Ferguson to Watts, I`ll talk about that ahead.


SHARPTON: This week marks 50 years since the start of the Watts riots here
in Los Angeles, a turning point for the country and for the civil rights
movements. The riots started after the arrest of a young black man, who
police suspected of drunk driving. There was a scuffle, and the arrest set
off six days of riots in Los Angeles. Thirty four people were killed and
more than a thousand others were hurt. Watts was a wake-up call for the
nation, that had just seen the signing of the voting rights act. The riots
showed that civil rights issues ran deeper, involving policing, poverty,
and education. The emotions were still raw 20 years later in 1985.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Special segment tonight. Watts, 20 years ago this
summer, the little known Los Angeles ghetto became a household name
overnight, when it erupted in flames, riots, and death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The riot was defended by some as a symbol of black
America`s impatience with slow progress in gaining civil rights and jobs.
Many young people in Watts today said they don`t know much about the riots,
but they know about present times.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You walk this life. You live or die on the streets.


SHARPTON: NBC`s Tom Brokaw went back to Watts again recently to see how
it`s changed.


TOM BROKAW, NBC NIGHTLY NEWS ANCHOR: Fifty years on, the portrait of this
neighborhood looks different. It`s now a majority Latino, and yet many of
the aspects of life here remain stubbornly separate and unequal.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have some progress, and then you have some
setbacks. There are things that happen daily that you look at the calendar
and you say, is it really 2015? And then you see progress.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think we have to, as a community, instill in your
children the pride and the dignity and the determination to do the best you
can do wherever you are.


SHARPTON: Fifty years later, Watts has changed a great deal, so has the
country. But we have a long, long way to go. Many of the leaders I worked
with in Watts and L.A. and around the country weren`t even born then. I
was only 10-years-old. But the root problems of social justice, criminal
justice, policing, poverty, education, has changed very little. And until
we change the root problem, we will go just from one incident to another,
thinking we can put out brush fires without dealing with the cause of the

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.


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