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Date: August 14, 2015
Guest: Rich Galen; Mark Hannah; Ryan Grim; Joe Madison, Bill Richardson,
Susan Milligan, Marc Veasey

REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Tonight on "Politics Nation," Jeb Bush gets
heckled for defending his brother`s war in Iraq.

Donald Trump makes a bold prediction about a potential Biden/Clinton

A historic day for Cuba and for the Obama presidency.

And the gang at FOX News starts hitting the war on Christmas. Just a
little bit early.

Welcome to "Politics Nation." We start tonight with Jeb Bush`s Iraq
problem. He was at the Iowa state fair today, and when he started
repeating his new talking points on Iraq, some people in the crowd got


JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: First of all, the Iraqis want our
help. They want to know that we have skin in the game, that we`re
committed to this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had to get out in 2011!

BUSH: Excuse me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had to get out in 2011!

BUSH: We didn`t have to get out in 2011.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your brother signed the deal.

BUSH: It could have been modified and that was the expectation. Everybody
in Iraq and everybody in Washington knew that this deal could have been
expanded. Now what we need to do -- now we need to do something else.


SHARPTON: Jeb Bush has had a tough time trying to talk about his brother`s
legacy in Iraq. And today hecklers went after him for bringing some of
those same advisers into his campaign.


BUSH: Paul Wolfowitz is providing some advice. This game, the power game
that`s played, you know, where you have 25, 30 or 40 people that are
helping you with foreign policy and if they have any executive experience
they`ve had to deal with two Republican administrations. Who were the
people that were presidents the last two Republican -- I mean, this is kind
of a tough game for me to be playing, to be honest with you. I`m my own


SHARPTON: Yes, yes, it is a tough game for him. But Bush is a top
contender because of his last name. So he has the take the bad with the
good especially when he`s getting foreign policy advice from Paul
Wolfowitz, one of the architects of the Iraq war.

And at a separate event in Iowa yesterday Jeb Bush raised eyebrows with
this comment about Iraq.


BUSH: I`ll tell you, though, that taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to
be a pretty good deal. And the surge left -- put aside the need, you know,
faulty intelligence, the lack of a commitment to secure Iraq at the
beginning, which would have been helpful, put that aside. I`ve been
critical. I think people have every right to be critical of decisions that
were made. In 2009 Iraq was fragile but secure. It was mission was
accomplished in the way that there was security there.


SHARPTON: Did he really say the mission was accomplished? Even if his
last name wasn`t Bush, that would be a questionable choice of words
especially when you`re talking about Iraq. And now you have to wonder if
the GOP could repeat the political mistakes of the past.

In 2012 Republicans nominated Mitt Romney, the one person who couldn`t
attack the president over Obamacare.

In 2016, will Republicans do the same thing by nominating the one person
who has the most baggage in attacking Hillary Clinton on Iraq or ISIS?

Let`s go talk about it with Democratic -- with Democratic Commentator Mark
Hannah and, of course, GOP`s Rich Galen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good to see you, Rev.

SHARPTON: Good to have both of you with us today.


SHARPTON: Mark, bush got heckled. He said mission accomplished. I mean,
is Iraq a huge problem for this campaign?

accomplished. He said it was a good deal. Look, he`s going to stop
bringing in the steal ideas of the advisers who helped out his brother who
got us into this mess in the first place. He`s supposed to be the smarter
Bush brother, that`s what we keep getting told. So if that is the case, if
he is going to be, in fact his own man, it`s time for him to start showing
us that right now and start differentiating himself from the presidency of
his brother.

SHARPTON: Now, Rich, he clearly had to deal with this, but using the term
"mission accomplished" saying that if you got people in the parlor -- deal
with the last two administrations and the last two was his father and his

RICH GALEN, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, I mean, I was watching that tape
and I had seen it earlier as soon as he began to say mission -- he wanted
to see if he could get out of it but he couldn`t think of another word. I
mean, that happens to all of us. You go down a path.

But the Iraqi issue in first place, there are several issues about this, I
think Mark. One is that I think he does have a good case against -- first
of all, I don`t think Iraq in 2003 is going to be the deciding factor in
this election, but even if it`s a big deal, remember Mrs. Clinton when she
was senator Clinton, a, she voted for the war, that`s number one. Number
two is remember that very infamous or famous 3:00 a.m. ad that was clearly
designed to show that when it came to being tough enough to go to war if
you had to, that she was the one that Barack Obama wasn`t going to be tough
enough. So I think if that becomes a major debating point, if they`re both
the nominees, I think that pretty much plays to a tie.

SHARPTON: Yes, but Mark, wouldn`t an argument be that, yes, Mrs. Clinton
voted for the war and many of us that were out at that time were against
her doing that and the other Democrats, but wouldn`t it be a sound defense
for her saying, yes, I voted for it on the misinformation your brother
provided me?

HANNAH: Absolutely, Rev. Look, this country isn`t sort of grasping for a
leader who is going to have the strength to take us to war. They`re
looking for a leader who has the strength and courage to avoid a war. Look
what we`re doing in Iran right now, we`re trying to avoid a war. We want
to have a president who is waging peace. And unfortunately, this, you
know, this argument that somehow Jeb Bush is not a warmonger because he,
you know, he`s thinking outside the box, I just don`t buy it. I don`t
think the American people are going to buy it. Nobody thinks the Iraq war
was a good deal, not even Republican voters.

SHARPTON: All Right. Well, let me play for you, Rich, that Hillary
Clinton responded to Bush`s Iraq statements. Let me play this for you.


talk about this. You know, he expects the American people to have a
collective case of amnesia and particularly the fact that George W. Bush
signed the agreement with Maliki setting the withdrawal date of the end of
2011. We are not going to send American troops back to Iraq.


SHARPTON: So Rich, is Mrs. Clinton happy to talk about Bush and Iraq?

GALEN: Yes. But she`s put an awful lot of faith in making Iraq and Syria
not exploding even more, which is a really bad place to put your money and
place a bet, I think. So to say with absolute definitive statements like
we`re not going to go back into Iraq, I don`t think she`s going to be able
to back that up if she`s president of the United States.

Before we go I want to say one thing, though. I watched the ceremony today
from Cuba. And I thought bringing those three marines back to present the
flag to the current marines to raise the American flag again was one of the
classiest things I`ve ever seen the state department do, and they deserve
enormous credit.

SHARPTON: And I agree. We`re going to talk a lot about Cuba in the next
segment. And it`s great to hear a Republican give the Obama state
department credit.

But before we go on that, I want to go back to this, Mark. Jeb Bush also -
- this is very interesting to me. He was asked what he considered torture,
and here`s what he said.


BUSH: Well, there`s a difference between enhanced interrogation techniques
and torture. Torture`s -- America doesn`t do torture.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Waterboarding is one that got a lot of
attention. Is that something you would rule in or out?

BUSH: I`m not ruling anything in or out. That`s a huge threat. We don`t


SHARPTON: Enhanced interrogation or waterboarding, I mean, do Americans
really want to have this conversation again?

HANNAH: I don`t think we do. I think Jeb Bush was tongue tied there. I
think it`s not the kind of topic where you can easily talk around. It`s
not the kind of topic where we want to hear political talking points, and
it`s not the kind of topic that you can muddle. This is serious business.
We have a moral obligation to the world. Our prestige as a country has
taken a nosedive as a result of the images that came out at Abu Ghraib.

This is scary to me not just from a geopolitical standpoint but an American
politics standpoint that we are going to be dragged into these
conversations again.

SHARPTON: Now, here`s the problem he has, Rich, because if you look at a
recent poll of top issues for Republican voters, security issues, 22
percent. Fiscal responsibility, 14 percent. Economic growth, 13 percent.
So Bush is going to have to talk about foreign policy in the primary, but
is he the best messenger in the general election? And given the Bush name
and record in foreign policy, how does he translate what he has to deal
with in the primary in the general election?

GALEN: Well, one of the things you do -- and I think mark will agree. Let
me make a point about that stage at the Iowa state fair. We`ve all had
candidates that have stood on that soapbox and done that. And typically
somebody will send in a ringer or ringers to, literally, to heckle the
candidate. But having said that, you have to have a tough hide if you`re
going to play this game. I`m not suggesting that you should be put off by

But in terms of what you`re asking, I think that what you do in August is
you try out the material. This is, in baseball terms, this is spring
training. You don`t know what pitches are going to work during the regular
season. You don`t know who is going to be, what the batting order is going
to be. You want to make these mistakes now, if they are mistakes, and
everybody makes them in August of the off year. What you want to do is try
them out now and have the staff kind of hone and hone and sharpen the
message so that if you are the nominee, by the time you get into the
general, it`s the greatest hits. You`re not making stuff up anymore.


HANNAH: Yes. No, look. The heckler, they`re tough to deal with. I`ve
produced political events and now three presidential campaigns. It is
called reality of life. If you can`t deal with the heckler, that`s a
problem. But the heckler actually was making good points. He was saying
the status of forces agreement was signed by your brother.

GALEN: The status of forces agreement that the Obama administration was
negotiating, they put the term so badly that the Maliki government said,
no, we need to work on this --


SHARPTON: But the problem is -- you guys are having a more substantive
debate on this than they did in the Republican debate.

HANNAH: That`s true. And Jeb Bush (INAUDIBLE) in sort of reflexive way,
just come to his brother`s defense. He`s not running for the secretary of
brotherly defense. He`s running for the president and has to show

SHARPTON: I`m going to have to go on this.

GALEN: To have somebody with their family`s names being besmirched. I
think that`s a good thing.

SHARPTON: I think this is going to be -- your last points are going to be
the things that a lot of people are going to have to decide in this
election, do they want someone that has that experience or do they want
more of the same. And as I was saying while you had that exchange, at
least you guys are arguing more substance than I saw in the first
Republican debate. And Mark --

HANNAH: Yes, sir.

SHARPTON: I ran for president, but I didn`t make it to where Rich could
send a ringer in at me.

HANNAH: I know. I was waiting for the moment.

SHARPTON: I`m not a heckle heckler.

Mark Hannah and Rich Galen, thank you both for your time tonight.

HANNAH: Have a good weekend.

SHARPTON: Have a great weekend yourself.

HANNAH: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Coming up will Joe Biden challenge Hillary Clinton? Donald
Trump made a bold prediction tonight.

And making history in Cuba. What the GOP is saying about the president`s
big achievement today.

Plus, Lebron`s mission to go from king of the court to king of the

And you`re not going to believe this. Christmas is coming early in
tonight`s got you.


SHARPTON: The U.S. is making history in Cuba reopening the American
embassy. It`s a big accomplishment for President Obama and, of course,
some Republicans are outraged. We`ll talk about that next.


SHARPTON: Today a historic day for Cuba and for the Obama administration.
The U.S. opened -- reopened its embassy in Cuba with secretary of state
John Kerry talking about bridging the divide between the two nations.


JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: A day for pushing aside old barriers
and exploring new possibilities. This doesn`t mean that we should or will
forget the past. How could be, after all? There have been too many days
of sacrifice and sorrow, too many decades of suspicion and fear. We are
certain that the time is now to reach out to one another as two peoples who
are no longer enemies or rivals but neighbors.


SHARPTON: Also on hand the three marines who lowered the flag for the last
time when the embassy closed 54 years ago.


to give special recognition to the marine security guard detachment embassy
Havana 1961.



SHARPTON: Those three men passed the flag to a new generation of marines
who raised the stars and stripes over Havana for the first time in 54

NBC`s Gabe Gutierrez has more from Havana.

GABE GUTIERREZ, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Reverend, it was a truly historic
day here in Havana. Secretary of state John Kerry was on hand as the U.S.
flag was hoisted behind me here at the U.S. embassy for the first time in
54 years. That ceremony broadcast live here on state-run media.

Secretary Kerry also met today with Cuba`s foreign minister and toured old
Havana before he met with Cuban dissidents at a separate reception at the
chief of missions house also here in Havana.

Now, in deep differences remain between the two countries including the
U.S. trade embargo and what to do with the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay.
Secretary Kerry says that he supports the end of the U.S. embargo but, of
course, only Congress can lift it. And now, the big question is what the
next steps are in this relationship. Secretary Kerry says that the U.S. no
longer looks at Cuba as an enemy or a rival but as a neighbor - Reverend.

SHARPTON: Gabe Gutierrez, thank you.

It was a historic day and a vindication of President Obama`s new approach
to diplomacy. But here at home, we`re hearing some old rhetoric from the

Joining me now are Ryan Grim and Joe Madison. Thanks for being here


RYAN GRIM, HUFFINGTON POST: Thanks for having me.

SHARPTON: Joe, you were the first American talk show host to broadcast
live from Cuba earlier this year. What do the day`s events mean to the
United States and to Cuba?

MADISON: Well, it means that, one, there`s the government will have to
work out the various differences that was just outlined, but two, the Cuban
people. What we found out, Reverend Sharpton, was that the Cuban people,
particularly the young people, are extremely excited about this
possibility. They`re excited about student exchanges. They`re excited
about normalizing relationship. What is being held over and what is
Republicans who are opposed to all of this, what they really need to tell
the American people is that right now we`re doing almost $300 million worth
of business with Cuba. Once this embargo is lifted, they`re saying that it
could be anywhere between $1 billion and $2 billion --


MADISON: -- worth of business that we can do everything from medicine to
apples to dairy products. And this is the excitement.

SHARPTON: There`s a lot of concern of how they`re going to deal with that.
In fact, I`m leading a delegation that you`ve agreed to be a part of --

MADISON: I`m looking forward to that.

SHARPTON: -- along with a lot of minority businessmen.

But Ryan, how important is it for the president`s legacy, president Obama`s
legacy on foreign policy, how important is today?

GRIM: This is going to be one of those kind of foreign policy touchstone
moments that will be held up as an example of the president`s doctrine.
You know, because Cuba is kind of such a small country, you know, size wise
it`s not that huge of an accomplishment, but you know, there is quite a
kind of a special romantic relationship that the United States and Cuba
have always had. So it looms large in that sense, but also just for the --
you know, what a perfect example it is of how he tries to put diplomacy
ahead of other means. You know, this along with Iran are going to be two
of the tent poles. Iran obviously a much bigger one, but this is such a
clean example of it.

SHARPTON: Now Joe, right away Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio attacked the
opening and, of course, the decisions around this. Listen to what they had
to say.


BUSH: Today we`re having Secretary Kerry do a victory dance inside -- in
Havana, Cuba. It`s heartbreaking to see the lack of commitment to true
leadership and we`re going to pay a price.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The deal with Cuba threatens
America`s moral standing in Cuba and around the world. It brings
legitimacy to a state sponsor of terror and further empowers an ally of
China and Russia that sits just 90 miles from our shores.


SHARPTON: It threatens the moral standing with the world. We were one of
the few countries that weren`t dealing with Cuba, Joe. I mean, how do they
make that argument?

MADISON: Please, you`re absolutely right. There are hotels. You go to
Cuba, as we did. You will see modern hotels.

First of all, let me point out something. We didn`t see any people walking
around with machine guns or we had to watch ourselves. The reality is
this. First of all, I think it was congresswoman Barbara Lee who has been
there many times who said to me on the show that, look, there`s hardly a
country on the planet that doesn`t have some kind of human rights

You and I have been in South Sudan. They now have human rights violations,
but we have a partnership. We have one with China. We have it with
Vietnam. The reality is this is 1950 cold war talk to once again try to
suggest the communists are under every bed. And the reality is that the
chamber of commerce, which is in bed with the Republican Party, is making
money as we speak, and they want this embargo lifted. And the people
should not be fooled by politicians who are trying to make points with
Cuban Americans who, by the way, are taking millions of dollars back to

SHARPTON: Well, I also thing, Ryan, that the public has changed. An NBC
poll earlier this year showed public opinion in Cuba, 60 percent support
resuming diplomatic relations with Cuba. Why are Republicans fighting
against something that`s clearly popular with Americans now?

GRIM: Partly is that, you know, within the conservative world view there`s
a lot more comfort (ph) with black and white, with good and evil, you know.
The cold war frame of the evil empire was a comfortable way to see the
world. So even as the cold war has ended, you know, they still prefer to
see the world in those terms. You can see it in the war on terror where,
you know, a lot of people who are not associated with ISIS or Al-Qaeda,
they just get lumped in with them.

So it`s just kind of -- I think it`s a simpler way of seeing it. For Jeb
Bush and Marco Rubio, you know, they represent the older generation down in
south Florida, which is still strongly anti-Castro.

SHARPTON: Much older generation.

GRIM: Exactly.

SHARPTON: But Joe, you referred to human rights. I`ve got to go, but you
know the move to normalize relations with Cuba really is improving
conditions in Cuba, we`re told. NBC News reports the only independent
source of reporting human rights abuses inside of Cuba show that the
numbers are declining. Is there reason to think there won`t be more
positive change with restored diplomatic relations, Joe?

MADISON: Of course there will be. And reality is those that we have
business relationships with, we tend to improve because the more freedom
people get, the more economic freedom people get, the less abuses take
place. And we know, this is once again just something that this younger
generation once again knows that President Obama has done the right thing,
as he said. You tried it for 54 years, it didn`t work. Try something new.

SHARPTON: Well, we`re looking for Ryan`s generation to straighten it out.

Ryan Grim and Joe Madison, thank you both for your time tonight.

MADISON: Thank you.

GRIM: You got it.

SHARPTON: Coming up, new rumors about a Biden 2016 run. What that means
for Hillary Clinton, and what Donald Trump`s saying about it.

Plus, this the season for outrage. It`s August, but the right`s already
griping about a war on Christmas. That`s our got you, next.


SHARPTON: A favorite holiday tradition in New York City got an early
kickoff this year.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why don`t we talk about Christmas in August?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, today is the official kickoff of the 2015
season of the radio city Christmas spectacular. And we`re so excited,
we`re bringing you Christmas in August. In keeping with tradition, we`ve
got our friend Todd here who has been with the show for 20 years now, he`s
the living nativity.


SHARPTON: That`s a nice start for the Rockettes. But I think it may have
confused the folks over at FOX News about what time of year it is.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, it`s not just a fight for faith, but a fight
for history. In one New Mexico town that`s being told to take down its
longstanding nativity scene displayed in a city park there. The war on
Christmas typically comes, well, in the winter near December but this is
coming a little bit early.


SHARPTON: Ho, ho, hold it, hold up. A little bit early? Baby, it`s not
even cold outside. It`s only August. There`s still 133 days until
Christmas. So we have five more months of this nonsense to deal with.


BILL O`REILLY, FOX NEWS HOST: The war on Christmas, the big picture,
that`s the subject of this evening`s talking points memo.

MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS HOST: Here`s somebody who thinks there`s no war on
Christmas. What is this all about?

O`REILLY: I`m like a guerrilla fighter on the war on Christmas. If I know
that there`s a secular person in my town or the town neighboring me, I`ll
put a little baby Jesus on their windshield.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re so nuts because they think that there`s this
made-up war on Christmas. We`re not nuts, are we? There is a war on


SHARPTON: Since we`re in the Christmas spirit, I have no comment on that.
But did the gang at FOX think we wouldn`t notice their early start to the
phony war on Christmas they wage? Nice try. But we got you.


SHARPTON: Tonight the four declared Democratic candidates for president
will be in Washington place, the Iowa wing ding. It`s a fund-raiser where
organizers plan to serve more than 10,000 chicken wings. But one man who
won`t be chowing down, Vice President Joe Biden. He`s not in Iowa, but he
is fueling talk that he`s thinking about getting in the race. "The New
York times" reporting that on Wednesday night he called one of his most
outspoken supporters to talk about his chances. He also told advisers to
call other supporters and let them discreetly contact operatives to
determine how fast they could organize a campaign. Now, Donald Trump was
weighing in. He says he expects to face Biden in the general election,
claiming Hillary Clinton`s e-mails will force her out of the race. That
may be wishful thinking, but earlier this week Clinton addressed the Biden


were colleagues in the Senate. I have the highest regard and affection for
him. I spoke to him at his son`s funeral. And I think we should all just
let the Vice President be with his family and make whatever decision he
believes is right for him.


SHARPTON: No one, no one including the Vice President, really seems to
know what his decision will be, but with more news today about Hillary
Clinton`s State Department e-mails, some Democrats are nervous about her

Joining me now is former Democratic presidential candidate Governor Bill
Richardson and Susan Milligan of "U.S. News & World Report." Thank you
both for being here.



SHARPTON: Governor, Donald Trump says it will be him and Biden in the
general election. Is he half right? Could the Vice President get into the

RICHARDSON: Well, this is all speculation. I don`t believe he`ll get in
the race. If he does get in the race, it will be quite a contest, but I
think there`s a lot of underestimating of Hillary Clinton going on right
now. She`s got a very strong organization. She`s raised a lot of money.
She`s got 100 percent name recognition. And as you know, Reverend, it`s
not just Iowa and New Hampshire. Those are very important primaries, but
the minorities, women, the coalition start voting in the primaries like
Nevada, like South Carolina, like super-Tuesday, and I think that`s s where
her strength is, her base. So this underestimating of her chances are
what`s happening today, I don`t buy that. I think she`s very strong.

SHARPTON: Well, Susan, isn`t the underlying message from the speculation
on Biden maybe running, possible run, even Al Gore`s name, is that there
seems to be some nervousness by some in the Democratic Party establishment,
and is the governor right? Is it something that may not reflect the
Democratic Party voters themselves?

MILLIGAN: I think the Governor is absolutely right about that particularly
when it comes to female and Latino voters. And let`s remember that Donald
Trump also said that he would win the Hispanic vote. But I`m not sure we
should accept his political predictions. Look, I think that it`s actually
smart for the Democrats not to put all of their hopes on Hillary Clinton,
not because she`s not a strong candidate, because she is. But I mean,
anything could happen. For heaven`s sakes, somebody could become ill.
Anything that happen. You don`t want to have 17 candidates the way the
Republicans do but you don`t want to have one either. And I do think it
makes her stronger candidate to have for example Bernie Sanders challenging
her from the progressive side and to have, you know, even questions about
her history at the State Department, it will make her a stronger candidate
going in. She can`t look like the anointed queen if she gets the
nomination. That won`t be good for her in the general.

SHARPTON: Governor, there is also some buzz that if the Vice President got
into the race, that Mr. Biden would pledge to be a one-term president.
Will that help him? Is that an interesting proposition?

RICHARDSON: No, I don`t think so. I don`t think you want to immediately
announce that you`re a lame duck. And I think that`s because of the vice
president`s age. He`s 72. But he`s very vigorous. The guy is, you know,
I was with him two, three weeks ago. The guy is in excellent shape,
excellent health. So I don`t think that would be a smart move on his part.
I think the decision he has to make is family. Is he ready to go through a
very rigorous campaign, a tough campaign? Because Hillary Clinton, as I
say, is quite strong. I know the beltway and the e-mails, all of this
speculation, but you talk to voters. You talk to women voters, Latino,
Hispanic voters, the base of the Democratic Party, and you`ve got a, I
think, a different story than what`s happening in the beltway.

SHARPTON: Susan, you said we need at least one more candidate. But there
is the candidacy of Martin O`Malley, former governor of Maryland and of Jim
Webb. With all of the declared Democrats appearing tonight, former
Maryland Governor Martin O`Malley is starting to hit at his opponents.
Listen to this.


KELLY O`DONNELL, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Do you think the Clinton`s e-mail
issue provides an opening?

FMR. GOVERNOR MARTIN O`MALLEY (D), MARYLAND: I think that people are
hungry for an alternative. The phrases I hear all the time are that we
need new leadership and an ability to get things done.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think it`s a problem for the Democratic Party
that Senator Sanders is a, you know, self-declared socialist? Do you think
that`s an issue for -- does that make his candidacy viable to run for

O`MALLEY: I don`t think it`s a problem for the Democratic Party but it
might be a problem for Senator Sanders.


SHARPTON: Now, setting aside his statement on Sanders, Susan, is the e-
mail issue a problem for Secretary Clinton? And is he right, Governor
O`Malley, they may have to look for an alternative?

MILLIGAN: Well, first of all, I think it`s not a good thing for her, this
e-mail controversy. I think some of it has been overblown. She herself
did not send any unclassified e-mails. They were apparently classified
after the fact, anyway. I think frankly she`s not handled it all that
well. But she`s so well known, so many people have made up their minds
about her. I don`t think her changing anyone`s mind with it. People who
are her supporters, they will going to be very loyal to her. People who
will never going to vote for her, you know, it`s not going to make a
difference either.

I think he`s right in that people want an alternative. But the difference
is, it doesn`t mean that people want to vote for that alternative. They
just want to have them. And then in the campaign, you do want to have
other voices challenging her, making her a stronger candidate, making her
earn it. People don`t like it in this country when someone is appointed or
anointed. They want her to earn this nomination, which I still think she`s
best positioned to do.

SHARPTON: Governor Richardson, let`s face it, though, Bernie Sanders is
drawing huge crowds, the largest crowds of either parties race there. I
mean, 28,000 in L.A., 27,000 other places, 100,000 people in a week. So we
cannot say she doesn`t have a race. What is that saying to us? And what
is that saying to the Democratic Party?

RICHARDSON: Well, what is happening, I believe, and I agree with Susan`s
earlier statement, is the Democratic Party, there`s a very strong
progressive liberal wing out there that is cottoning to Senator Sanders.
There`s no question, as you know, Reverend, our party is center less right
but more to the left, more progressive. And that voice is coming through
in Sanders. And I think a good part of that voice is saying to Hillary
Clinton, look, you need to move and become more progressive, more populist.
I think part of that is a message to the Democratic Party establishment,
but I think in the end you got to look at the general election. We`re a
centrist country.

The country elects moderates, moderates left more so, I would hope, and
that`s where I think Hillary Clinton`s strength is, the center. The
centrist vote, women, young people, Hispanics, Native Americans, African-
Americans. I think that coalition, environmentalists, is the one that she
ultimately would attract. But this is just really early now. People want
alternatives, they want excitement. They want to talk about issues and
that`s fine. I think that`s what you want.

SHARPTON: It is August. And it`s getting hot. Governor Bill Richardson,
Susan Milligan, thank you both. Have a nice weekend.

MILLIGAN: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, new victories in the fight for voting rights. Will
they be enough to protect voters in 2016?

But first, check out this new video from President Obama`s vacation. He
noticed a familiar face on the golf course. President Bill Clinton. So he
walked over to say hello. You can see them through the trees. Clinton is
golfing with Brendan Jordan and the president is with the MVP of the NBA
Steph Curry. Not bad company for a day on the course.


SHARPTON: We turn now to a victory in the fight for voting rights. Right
now a federal court is reviewing the Texas voter I.D. law that has struck
down -- that was struck down by an appeals court last week. It was a huge
win for voting rights groups. And now we`re learning that law may prove
the difference in at least one election already. Voter I.D. was in effect
for the race between Democratic Congressman Pete Gallego and Republican
challenger Will Hurd. And a new study says, the law could have directly
tell to the race toward the Republican winner. This is one of the many
reasons the President is speaking out about voting rights.


PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: Fifty years after the voting rights
act, there`s still too many barriers to vote. And to many trying to erect
new ones. Over the years, we`ve seen provisions specifically designed to
make it harder for some of our fellow citizens to vote. In a democracy
like ours with a history like ours, that`s a disgrace. I`m calling on
Congress to pass new legislation to make sure every American has equal
access to the polls.


SHARPTON: The President demanding action from Congress on all of our
having the right to vote that Americans deserve to have.

Joining me now is Congressman Marc Veasey of Texas. The lead plaintiff in
the lawsuit against the voter I.D. law. Thank you for joining me,

REP. MARC VEASEY (D), TEXAS: Reverend Al, thank you for having me on

SHARPTON: This ruling is a big win no doubt about it, but the fight isn`t
over. Will this issue be settled in time for the 2016 election is the

VEASEY: Well, Reverend Al, that is a great question. Hopefully so. As
you know, we got a favorable opinion from a three-judge panel in one of the
most conservative appellate courts in the land, the 5th circuit. And all
three judges unanimously said that this law violated section two of the
voting rights act. Now, it`s been remanded back to the district court
level in Corpus Christi, and hopefully the district court judge will rule
favorably in our behalf so we`ll see what happens. But we want relief. We
know that this law was designed to affect races just like Pete Gallego`s.
Not necessarily a general election in race like -- that`s heavily
Democratic in the general election. But we`re in a Pete Gallego race where
it truly is the only swing district in the state of Texas and it looks like
that the law achieved what it was supposed to do by denying Pete his re-

SHARPTON: Now, here`s what Texas Governor Greg Abbott said after the
ruling, and I`m quoting him here. In light of ongoing voter fraud, it is
imperative that Texans have a voter I.D. law that prevents cheating at the
ballot box. Texas will continue to fight for its voter I.D. But since the
year 2000, congressman, there have been 37, three-seven, total known cases
of voter fraud in Texas. Now that`s over the course of 15 years. Millions
of votes have been cast. When will this voter fraud myth finally be put to

VEASEY: Reverend Al, that is a great question, and it is a big myth. I
can tell you before I was elected to Congress, I served in the state
legislature, served on the elections committee, served on the committee
that was created by the Republicans to pass the voter I.D. bill, and we had
witness after witness, we had Republican witness after witness. And we
asked them, show us any proven cases of in-person voter fraud and
absolutely zero cases for the entire eight years I served in the
legislature. They could never prove that one case ever existed. And we
knew exactly what they were trying to do. The rumor actually going around
the Texas capitol was that ALEC had written the Texas voter I.D. bill which
is why Republicans were taking very little amendments to help improve the
rights of voters in Texas.

SHARPTON: But here`s what troubles me. A new study looks at the impact
that this law`s had on nonvoters in Texas and in the Congressional district
of the 23rd Congressional district where Gallego lost the election. Nearly
13 percent of nonvoters didn`t vote in the November 2014 elections because
they believed they didn`t have the necessary I.D., though it turned out
many of them did. Even the perception of a voter I.D. law can keep people
from going to the polls. I mean, how do you fight that, Congressman?

VEASEY: Absolutely. Even the perception of the voter I.D. law, you`re
absolutely right, can suppress the vote, which is exactly what the
Republicans want. The disinformation that was out there about voter I.D.,
which was mainly spread by the Republicans, probably did lead to people not
casting votes in Congressional district 33. Obviously, we have to continue
to educate the public about the voter I.D. law that the Republicans passed,
and until we can get relief at the court, which will hopefully happen soon
before the 2016 primaries and the 2016 general elections get under way.

SHARPTON: All right. Congressman Marc Veasey, thank you for your time

Donald Trump is doing something a little different today. The Republican
front-runner has got to an event in New Hampshire early. Let`s listen in.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: A neutral deal. And it`s a deal
that could have been much better. The concept of opening up is okay, but
we should have made a much better deal, stronger deal.


Well, I said that in a very sarcastic fashion. It`s helping China because
China`s doing very little about global warming. And this country has gone
overboard. You saw what happened the other day with President Obama`s
bill. It`s going to put costs out of control. And we have to compete with
China, we have to compete with the rest of the world. And China loves what
we`re doing on global warming, that I can tell you. But you go over to
China and see what their factories are doing. Their factories are doing
absolutely nothing having to do with global warming and they won`t for
many, many years.

So, China is making it impossible between their devaluations which I was
just talking about with somebody that really knows the subject, believe me.
The devaluations and the whole thing with global warming, China is making
it impossible for our companies to compete. And we better get smart in
this country and fast. Yes, ma`am.


We spent -- look, was it worth it? We spent $2 trillion in Iraq. We lost
thousands of lives in Iraq. We have wounded warriors who I love all over
this country and beyond. Okay? Was it worth it? We have nothing, we have
nothing over there. His brother made a horrible decision, and President
Obama made a horrible decision the way he left. And when he left, he
should have taken the oil instead of giving it to ISIS and Iran. And you
know who the primary -- the beneficiary of the oil is? China. China is
taking out so much oil, and I said you shouldn`t have gone in, but once you
went into Iraq, you should have never in a million years, you should have
never just -- I mean, you go in. You never won. You never won. But what
a mistake Iraq was. And I heard Jeb Bush talking about it. First of all,
took him five days before he could give an answer.

And after the pollsters told him what to say, he said it was bad. Now he`s
trying to backtrack. Probably because his brother said, hey, wait a
minute. You`re killing me here. You said it`s bad. That`s my legacy, the
Iraq war. The Iraq war is a disaster for the Bushes. That`s why the last
thing we need is another Bush, believe me. Saddam Hussein, instead of him,
you have ISIS, and instead of him you have Iran taking over. You tell me,
was it worth what we paid for? Yes, sir.


I said they`re terrible, not destroyed but they`re pretty well destroyed.
I think I would have a great relationship with Russia and with Putin. Yes.


It depends. It depends. They have to behave also.


I think I`d get along very well with Putin. I know many of the people. I
had a major event there two years ago in Moscow, as you know. It was a
tremendous success. We had an amazing success and I think I`d get along
very well with Putin. And I think I`d get along with the leaders of the
world very well, many of them. Not all of them. And the ones I don`t get
along with are going to have to pay. We have to make our country great
again and we`re not doing it. We`re going in the wrong direction. We`re
going like this. Laughingstock. We`re a laughingstock all over the world.
Okay? Yes, sir. Go ahead.


Yes. New Hampshire has a huge heroin problem. I mean, per capita, the
biggest in the whole country. Nobody would know that. But New Hampshire
has a huge heroin problem. Education. Working hard. You have to get
people to understand their problems. It starts probably with OxyContin
from what I`m hearing. And you have to educate and you have to do
something very strong. But it does have a big problem. I`ve been hearing
it from everybody. Bigger per capita than anyplace else. Yes, ma`am.


It will be very soon, yes. I mean, I have some of the most brilliant
people in the country working on tax, which I`m involved in very much
because I understand the system very well, probably better than anybody
that`s ever run for office, if you want to know the truth. Because I am
part of the system. But we have some amazing people working on
immigration. So I would say over the next two or three weeks, probably
sometime during September. Okay?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aren`t you worried about what Putin`s done over in

TRUMP: So Ukraine is a problem, but at some point don`t you think that the
countries of Europe should be a little bit more involved than they are?
We`re leading all these fights, and Ukraine is a big problem. Germany is a
very rich, powerful country, Germany. Economically tremendous power.
Tremendous unbelievable unleashed economic power. Why isn`t Germany -- do
we have to lead every fight? So Ukraine is a problem. And we should help
them. But let Germany and other countries over there that are directly
affected, let them work it. We`ve got enough problems in this country. We
have to rebuild our country.

China and other countries have drained us. China has created the greatest
theft in the history of the United States. I mean, if you think about it.
The greatest theft in the history of the United States the money they`ve
taken out from us. It`s a one-way street. So we have enough problems.
Now, we back our folks and we back our friends, and we want them to
straighten out Ukraine. And I want to see it straightened out also. But
don`t you think maybe Germany and those countries directly affected should
be fighting? It`s almost like they don`t even care. They don`t even care.


I think I get along great with him. I think I`d get along great with him.
Who knows? But I think I`d get along great with him. The man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you doing?

TRUMP: How are you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rand Paul just spent three days here in New Hampshire
and he spent all of his time criticizing you --

TRUMP: Well, that`s because -- yes. No, Rand Paul, you have to
understand, is a disaster in the polls. He is a disaster on military and
defense. He is getting decimated by everybody. And other than giving him
a lot of money for an eye center at his request -- he asked me, could I
have money? I said, absolutely. Because I thought it was worthwhile. But
I gave him a lot of money for an eye center, which is very hypocritical
when you think of it. But other than giving him a tremendous amount of
money for his eye center, which I`m happy about, frankly, because I`m sure
they do good work, I hope they do good work, he is doing so badly that he
figured he has to go out and attack Trump because I`m leading by a lot


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