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Show: POLITICS NATION
Date: August 24, 2015
Guest: Dana Milbank; Ed Rendell; Joan Walsh, Victoria DeFrancesco Soto,
Rich Galen, Branford Marsalis

REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Right now on "Politics Nation," Joe Biden
and 2016. Will the vice president run and can he rally the Obama
coalition? What the White House is saying today.

Also, Republicans told the line Jeb Bush goes to the boarder and Donald
Trump turns up the heat. And I`ll talk to jazz legend Branford Marsalis
ten years after hurricane Katrina.

But first, breaking news, an incredibly volatile day on Wall Street. It
ended just about two hours ago with the Dow Jones down 588 points. That`s
down more than 3.5 percent. But what does this mean for your bank account?
We`ll talk with CNBC`s Courtney Regan coming up.

Now we turn to politics and President Obama`s first day back from his
summer vacation and an issue that`s definitely on his mind, the 2016
election. Today, he had lunch with vice president Biden as rumors swirl
that he`ll jump into the race. The White House press secretary fielded
questions about who the president would support.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: How would the president deal with this if
Biden actually decides to run? Here you have his current vice president
against his former secretary of state.

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Well, there is not an
insignificant if in that question and I think that`s what everybody is
pretty interested to find out is what decision the vice president is going
to make. The president has indicated his view that the decision that he
made, I guess, seven years ago now to add Joe Biden to the ticket as his
running mate is the smartest decision he ever made in politics.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: But he was also quick to compliment Hillary Clinton.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

EARNEST: The president has spoke at quite some length about the
appreciation, respect and admiration he has for the service of Secretary
Clinton.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Today, "the Wall Street Journal" reports the vice president is
increasingly leaning toward getting into the race. If it`s possible to put
together a competitive campaign, he may do it. And "the Washington Post"
says he plans to meet with top Democratic fundraisers after Labor Day.

Raising money could be a challenge and so could peeling away voters
currently supporting Clinton or Bernie Sanders. Senator Sanders addressed
the Biden rumors today.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have known Joe Biden
for many years. We served in the Senate together for six years. And
you`re not going to find a guy who is more descent than Joe Biden is. What
I promise Joe, if he decides to get into the race is that I will as I have
done up to now run an issue oriented campaign.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Another question, could Biden win on the issues? Over the
weekend, he had a private meeting with Senator Elizabeth Warren and she
says this race is anybody`s.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D), MASSACHUSETTS: I don`t think anybody is
anointed. I think what is going on right now is that presidential
candidates on both sides, Republican and Democrat are laying out their
agendas, and this is going to give voters a chance to look at them and
decide. I want to see all of the presidential candidates layout where they
stand on key issues.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: So will vice president Biden run again and is he the candidate
to carry on the Obama agenda?

Joining me now are former governor Ed Rendell and Dana Milbank of ""the
Washington Post."" Thank you for being here.

DANA MILBANK, THE HUFFINGTON POST: Good evening, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Dana, President Obama and vice president had lunch today, do you
think 2016 happened to come up?

MILBANK: I think it just might have, Reverend. Of course, that`s what is
on everybody`s mind and the president may be running the country, but he`s
a fairly political guy himself. So, of course, he`s interested. I don`t
think anybody knows at this point whether Biden is going to do it,
including Joe Biden. But I think there is a lot of enthusiasm, most of all
in the press because people would like to see a real race run.

But I also think even a lot of Hillary Clinton supporters are thinking she
would be better off if there were somebody else in this race to shake
things up a bit, allow her to run against somebody on the issues rather
than just answering questions day after day on her email server.

SHARPTON: Would it serve Secretary Clinton, governor, to have somebody run
against her on the issues? Bernie Sanders is certainly attracting bigger
crowds than anybody, even bigger than Donald Trump and would it serve her
if Biden came in. And can Biden win on the issues? I mean, he met with
Elizabeth Warren this weekend. Secretary Clinton has met with her. How
big a deal is Senator Warren`s endorsement in the race?

ED RENDELL, FORMER PENNSYLVANIA GOVERNOR: Well, Senator Warren`s
endorsement would be important for vice president Biden if Bernie Sanders
wasn`t in the race. Bernie Sanders has steak out the far left progressive
wing of our party. And he has got a very strong claim to their support.
It was interesting, Rev., in the midst of some bad days with the email
problem that Secretary Clinton was facing, there were four polls in key
states taken which had vice president Biden in it and they were in
Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, and North Carolina and Secretary Clinton won
by a wide margin. The vice president fell behind Bernie Sanders and
Hillary was in the low 50s or high 40s. Bernie Sanders in the high teens
and vice president in the mid-teens. And that`s after a period of really
good feeling in the country towards the vice president because of the
tragic death of Beau and because of the way the Biden family including the
vice president reacted to the death and handled themselves.

So even with that feeling of goodwill, it seems like the space on the far
left is taken by Bernie Sanders. The space is sort of a little bit to the
left in the middle taken by Hillary Clinton. And I`m not sure if you look
at those polls, I would be encouraging the vice president to run but of
course, he doesn`t take advice from me.

SHARPTON: Is all of these kinds of conversations, Dana, is it indicative
of some kind of an easiness with Secretary Clinton? There are some that
has said her campaign is flat. There are others that are worried about the
emails. Is the fact that we`ve been talking about this indicative of some
kind of nervousness among some Democrats?

MILBANK: I think nervousness, unease and just sort of disappointment with
the way things have gone so far. I mean, part of it is about sort of, you
know, the whiff of scandal, the email servers and other things. But I also
think we`ve been missing that Elizabeth Warren populist candidacy in this
race.

Yes, there is Bernie Sanders, but I don`t think a lot of people seriously
believe that he is really a viable challenger. He`s more of a protest
candidate. Joe Biden interestingly could take on that populist movement in
a way that is more credible than Sanders has. So that would be
particularly interesting in that way.

SHARPTON: There were, Governor, I heard you shaking your head and giving a
big sigh, would you disagree with that?

RENDELL: I would disagree with Bernie Sanders is a marginal candidate. I
mean, he is ahead in the poles in New Hampshire. That doesn`t make more of
a marginal candidate. I think there is a lot of the Sanders supporters
would stick with Bernie, even if the vice president got in. And the vice
president is very attractive to working Americans who feel some of the
things that the Sanders voters feel. But the Sanders voters are committed.
You mentioned the big crowds, Rev., there are certainly big crowds.

SHARPTON: The biggest.

RENDELL: In Wisconsin he trailed Secretary Clinton by 12 or 13 points.
Now, on those other states, it is interesting where there is a higher
percentage of African-American and Latino voters in states like Ohio,
Pennsylvania, California, North Carolina. In those states, Bernie Sanders`
percentage drops, but he`s doing very, very well. I wouldn`t say he`s a
candidate that`s marginalized and not a real candidate. You have in the
polls in New Hampshire, close in Wisconsin. That makes you a serious
candidate.

SHARPTON: Dana, let`s go back to the vice president for a minute because
he had some real strengths in a race. He has years of experience that was
crucial to negotiations for the Obama White House. He was also out in
front of some progressive issues like same-sex marriage and he`s
unscripted, which can be refreshing. But some potential weaknesses he
could be seen to his establishment he might have a hard time raising money.
And again, he`s unscripted, which good is also possibly bad.

MILBANK: Right. Well, I think the significance to Biden is I think he
probably, if you look at it on paper, he probably can`t beat Hillary
Clinton. But what he could serve as is something stocking horse. He gets
in the race and suddenly, it`s blown wide open and other people start
thinking, Al Gore, other people starts thinking, well, if him than why not
me and then you could have several more candidates in the race. It could
get terribly interesting.

You know, it is not, I mean, I`ll grant to governor Rendell that Bernie
Sanders is a serious guy. But I think even with Governor Rendell`s
endorsement, he`s probably not going to win the Democratic nomination.
Although, I think if anything could get him there, it would be Governor
Rendell`s endorsement.

SHARPTON: Governor, let me ask you this. I eluded to, I referred to it in
passing but let`s go back to this email question because it keeps looming
there. In fact, yesterday Jerry Brown discussed it I believe on "Meet the
Press" the governor of California. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. JERRY BROWN, CALIFORNIA: An email is just an utterance in digital
form but it has some kind of dark energy that gets everybody excited. So I
don`t know how it`s almost like a vampire. She`s going to have to find a
stake and put it through the hearts of the e-mails in some way.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: I mean, does she need to find a way to put this to bed,
Governor?

RENDELL: No, I think there is nothing that she can do to put it to bed on
her own. But I think if you look at the whole history of this so-called
problem, it is a problem. It`s hurt her. But the first thing that was
said was that she violated state department rules. But then it came out
that no, the state department rules that were in effect while she was
secretary of state, she didn`t violate.

Then "the New York Times" said there was a criminal investigation and two
days later "the New York Times" had the humiliating duty of retracting that
on the front page. And now we hear charges that the emails were
classified. But now it may appear that the emails weren`t marked
classified at the time she sent them out. And there is a big problem with
what is and what isn`t classified in the state department.

I think that time will be her best ally in this, unless there is some
smoking gun that I don`t know about and I don`t know if Dana knows about.
If there is no smoking gun, I think time will be her ally. And by the time
Iowa rolls around, if there is no smoking gun, I don`t think this will be a
huge problem. It will certainly hurt her but I don`t think a huge problem.

SHARPTON: Ed Rendell and Dana Milbank, thank you both for your time
tonight.

MILBANK: Thanks, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Coming up, President Obama back from summer vacation and hitting
the ground running. Coming up, a closer look at the presidential to do
list.

Also, the war on Christmas gains another new soldier, Donald Trump, wait
until you hear what he`s saying now.

Ten years after Katrina, musician Branford Marsalis is bringing music back
to the big easy. My interview with Jazz great is coming.

But first, a scary day on Wall Street. The Dow making gains after huge
morning plunge. What this means for average Americans? You`re savings,
your pensions and your 401(k).

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: We`re following breaking news on Wall Street`s historic wild
ride today. The market closed with the Dow falling almost 3.6 percent. It
was bad, but for a while, it looked to be even worse.

The Dow plunged nearly 1100 points in the opening minutes of trading. It
was the biggest decline on record in a single trading day. And when it
bounced back, partially back, it resulted in the biggest swing on record in
a trading day. The main cause, fears over a slowdown in China.

Joining me now is CNBC`s Courtney Reagan. Thank you for being here.

Courtney, first of all, everyone is talking about today the market, this
was a market correction. What exactly happened today?

COURTNEY REAGAN, CNBC CORRESPONDENT: So, you`re exactly right in your
description of China being the main reason for the sell-off. And basically
what we have seen in China is both an economic slowdown and what I think is
fair to call an equity market crash.

China stocks are down 40 percent just since June. So we haven`t seen near
the carnage that China has seen but because we are such an interconnected
global economy, when China has an economy that slows and it is the second
largest in the world, it can very much cause trouble for both the U.S.
market and big U.S. companies that do trade importing and exporting with
China.

So that was the beginning of what happened today. We saw China sell-off.
The U.S. sold off. As you said it was down. The Dow was down 1,089 points
at one point. We did sort rallied in midday when some folks came in and
had some short covering and bought into the market and then we sold off
again.

And what a correction is, is really a 10 percent pull back from a recent
high. It`s often necessary in a market that has gone too far too fast and
we had a pretty unprecedented bull run so some experts were calling for a
correction. This one, though, happened a little faster than most of us are
comfortable with.

SHARPTON: Well, let me ask you, I`m out of time but I want to ask you
this, experts say don`t panic. What should people do when it comes to our
retirement savings, our pensions, or 401(k)?

REAGAN: Well, I`m not a financial advisor but I would tell you to have a
conversation with your financial advisor. And remember, everybody`s
retirement portfolios, investment portfolios are different based on how old
you are, what your risk profile looks like. You just want to make sure
that your portfolio is good enough for you to sleep at night, for you find
comfort.

So if you like the idea of higher risk for higher return, this could be a
buying opportunity for you. If today made you uncomfortable and your
retirement is a little bit closer, maybe you want to shift into bonds and
perhaps into cash when the moment is right but don`t panic. Don`t sell
into a sale off. Remember, that`s the worst point to do it. You don`t
want to sell low.

SHARPTON: All right. CNBC`s Courtney Reagan, thank you for your time
tonight.

We`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: President Obama is back in action and hitting the ground running
heading to Nevada for big speech on climate change in just a few hours.
It`s the start of a jab-packed schedule for the president after his
vacation.

Next month, he`ll host the president of China, a potentially pivotal
meeting. And he`ll meet with Pope Francis with the world watching. At the
same time, major deadlines loom in congress, the deadline for the first
vote on the Iran deal is September 14th. The deadline to fund the
government is September 30th. And highway funding runs out on October
29th. A big key, how extreme will Republican hard liners be? Already,
some are eyeing a potential shut down over funding for Planned Parenthood.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. RAND PAUL (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If many President Obama wants
to shut down government because he doesn`t get funds for Planned
Parenthood, that would be president Obama`s determination to shut down
government.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Congress should hold hearings
and we should cut off every penny of taxpayer funds.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Two GOP senators both running for president hinting at a
willingness to shut down the government over Planned Parenthood. Folks,
summer break is ending.

Joining me now is Joan Walsh of salon.com. Thank you for being here, Joan.

JOAN WALSH, SALON.COM: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: I want to start with the fight over Planned Parenthood. Will
Ted Cruz back down from this fight after virtually threatening a government
shutdown, Joan?

WALSH: No, I don`t think he`ll back down at all. And I think you showed
Rand Paul is with him, Marco Rubio has made similar noises. Well, if it
happens he`s not necessarily committing to it. If it happens, if it is
going to be President Obama`s fault. It will be the Democrats fault.

So you know, you have this presidential candidates who are having a hard
time getting traction against Donald Trump finding themselves up staged by
Donald Trump, they now have an opportunity to get back out there, get the
limelight, grab the right, this is a big issue to the right, and show that
they are worriers. So --

SHARPTON: Even if it hurts the American public, even if it hurts people
closing down their jobs? I mean --.

WALSH: They don`t care about that. They didn`t care about it last time.
They are not going to care about it now. I mean, Mitch McConnell does say
it will not happen. You see some leadership saying it will not happen, but
they tried to say that before. They are not entirely in control, either.

SHARPTON: I mean, I don`t care how long I`ve been in public life. It
still just bothers me that the people are never consideration. I mean, we
all have our beliefs, our genders, our ambitions but you supposed to care
about people to some degree.

WALSH: To some degree. And there used to be some willingness to
compromise and it used to be perception that something like would be
disastrous and you would Republican leaders with spine, with heart, with
vision who would come together with Democrats. That`s really --.

SHARPTON: It is not even a minor factor with some people.

WALSH: No.

SHARPTON: I mentioned the president meeting with the Pope. Can it be a
platform for the president`s agenda on social and economic issues, Joan?

WALSH: Yes, I think it`s a great opportunity for him. I think it is kind
of the high point of September, which is otherwise going to be a tough
month. But I think, you know, the Pope has a real rare opportunity, Rev.,
to do something to change hearts and minds around climate change.

SHARPTON: Absolutely.

WALSH: Again, this has become Republican democratic divide what it doesn`t
used to be.

SHARPTON: Now, let`s go back to this upcoming dates in mid-September we
could see the first vote on the Iran deal. I believe September 14th the
government needs to be funded by the end of September. And highway funding
runs out in October. How will the fight over the Iran deal play out in
your judgment?

WALSH: I think the president is going to have the support he needs. I
don`t think they will be able to over-ride a veto. But I think it remains
tough. I think you got good news from Senator Harry Reid.

SHARPTON: Yes. Harry Reid, Congressman --

(CROSSTALK)

WALSH: You know, those are the important bell weathers. And I think he is
going to pull out all stops. Look. We know this president is still very
ambitious. He is not content being a lame duck I think on climate change
and on Iran. He wants to do something. And I think the Iran deal is key
to his legacy. So this is going to be a big fight and he`ll call in all
the chips.

SHARPTON: He is also charted Republicans for not having passed a budget
yet. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Congress also hasn`t passed
a budget and when they return from vacation, they will only have a few
weeks to do so or shut down the government for the second time in two
years. They have had all year to do this. Democrats in Congress made it
clear the rate is sit down and work with Republicans to find common ground
on this. After all, American expect Congress to help keep our country
strong and growing, not threaten to shut down our government.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Now, this was over the weekend and the president referring to
the GOP talking about shutting down the government. Bottom line, have
Republicans learn their lesson on this?

WALSH: Some of them I think have. But many haven`t and I think that the
one whose purport to have learned their lesson. We don`t know if they
developed a spine. They need both intelligence and they also need spine to
stand up to the right and that`s what I -- what makes me nervous when you
have people running for president thinking this is a way to overshadow
Donald Trump.

SHARPTON: Joan Walsh, thank you for your time.

WALSH: Thank you, Rev.

SHARPTON: Jeb Bush visits the boarder trying to show how different his
immigration policy is from Donald Trump`s.

Plus, Donald Trump`s tough talk on the imaginary wall on Christmas. Who
put coal in his stocking?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know business whether it is show biz or international
business. But the one business I do not condone is monkey business, OK?

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: That was "Saturday night live" in 2004 having some fun with
Donald Trump at Christmas time in 2004. But the Trump Christmas is no
laughing matter. The presidential candidate says there is an attack on
Christianity and even on the word Christmas.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is assault on anything
having to do with Christianity. They want, they don`t want to use the word
Christmas anymore in department stores and there is always lawsuits where
and unfortunately, a lot of those lawsuits are won by the other side.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: But Donald Trump won`t let those scrooges win. He has big plans
for battling back against the so-called war on Christmas even in August.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: I will assault that. I will go so strongly against so many of the
thing when is they take away the word Christmas. I go out of my way to use
the word Christmas.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: He wants us to think he`s Santa Trump, riding to the rescue, but
he`s leading Rudolph into the darkness. The only war on Christmas is in
the right wing`s imagination.

Did Donald Trump think we wouldn`t notice he is flying into a blizzard of
nits (ph)? Nice try, but someone is on the naughty list this year. We got
you.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: He wants us to think he`s Santa Trump, riding to the rescue, but
he`s leading Rudolph into the darkness. The only war on Christmas is in
the right wing`s imagination. Did Donald Trump think we wouldn`t notice
he`s flying into a blizzard of myths? Nice try but someone is on the
naughty list this year, we got you.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Donald Trump has pushed the line when it comes to immigration,
but he`s not dragging the whole party with him. This afternoon Jeb Bush
was in McAllen, Texas for a tour of the U.S., Mexico border saying, Trump`s
plan to build a wall just doesn`t make sense.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FMR. GOV. JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The proposal made by
another candidate of building a fence based on the, just the commonsense
practices that are being applied here doesn`t work. Mr. Trump`s plans are
not grounded in conservative principles. It would cost hundreds of
billions and of dollars. It`s not realistic. It won`t be implemented.
And we need border security to be able to deal with getting this country
back on track. I welcome Mr. Trump into the debate. I think that`s great,
he`s a serious candidate and he ought to be held to what serious candidates
need to be held to. He needs to be held to account for his views.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Bush`s border visit comes one month after Donald Trump took his
own tour of the area doubling down on his claims that the border was quote,
"dangerous." This morning Trump took a swing at Bush`s stance on
immigration.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think it`s great that he`s
going to the border because I think he`ll now find out that it is not an
act of love. When the people, you know, he says that people crossing are
crossing as an act of love which came back to haunt him. He will find out
it`s not an act of love. I was down on the border. It`s rough, tough
stuff. This is not love. This is other things going on.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: The debate over immigration is dividing the GOP field. The
question is, which side will voters align with?

Joining me now are Victoria DeFrancesco Soto and Rich Galen, thank you both
for being here.

RICH GALEN, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Nice to be with you.

VICTORIA DEFRANCESCO SOTO, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Thank you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Rich, Je Bush is clearly putting distance between his
immigration plans and Donald Trump`s.

GALEN: No, I think they`ve made the strategic decision, the Bush people
and I have not spoken with them. So, this is just from an outside
observers. But it appears to me that the Bush campaign has decided that
the time has come to begin being able to say, I ain`t him and the biggest
thing that got Trump going in the first place was his off-handed remark
about immigration at the original announcement but then caught fire and
then he developed it from that point forward. So to your point, I think
that the Bush campaign has decided that when it comes down to it and coming
down to it is all the way to next February that voter will see that Bush
has a workable immigration plan and the Trump plan is just bluster, which
was what Trump said.

SHARPTON: Do you think it`s a good strategy?

GALEN: Oh, yes. I do think it`s a good strategy. You got to do
something. They have to draw separation. I thought that up to and through
the debate, I think the Bush strategy was to let the Trump kind of wind
blow through and then he would be the grown up on the stage. That hasn`t
happened and I think they are wisely shifting strategies to some degree.

SHARPTON: Now Victoria, aside from building a wall, Trump hasn`t offered
up many details about how he would stop illegal immigration. Listen to
what he said yesterday.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: We`ve lost control of our borders. The government has no idea how
many illegals there. I`ve been hearing 11 million for five years.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC NEWS CHIEF ANCHOR: So, if there is no idea, how
are you going to round them all up? Where will you going to get the money?
Where will you going to get the forces? Exactly, how are you going to do
it? What are those specifics here?

TRUMP: George, it`s called management. The first thing we have to do is
secure the border but it`s called management.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: It`s called management? I mean, there is no plan here. Is this
going to be a problem for Donald, Victoria?

SOTO: Well, I think it`s both a problem and a solution. It`s a solution
for him in terms of being able to grab the attention of those really
conservative anti-immigrant elements in the party. But when it comes to
details that is when it becomes a problem. So, I think Donald Trump likes
to be blustery, likes to put out these comments out there but then where is
the substance? And here is where Jeb Bush is pushing him on that. And I
agree with Rich, that Jeb Bush is trying to own the immigration space and
saying you know what? I`m not Donald Trump, I have substance. Here is my
six-point plan.

Here is how I detail how I`m going to do it but one thing that worried me
in terms of the strategy of Jeb Bush owning it was when he started using
the term anchor babies because --

SHARPTON: Yes.

SOTO: -- how can you differentiate yourself from a Donald Trump, from
somebody that uses that type of language when you say something like an
anchor baby. So, I don`t know if Latinos and more moderate Republicans are
going to be able to take Jeb Bush seriously as putting forward a solution
to the border and immigration when he uses that red meat rhetoric of anchor
babies.

GALEN: Hold a second, Rev. Let me say this really quickly. A, I didn`t
know that was seen as a pejorative by Latinos. I had no idea.

SOTO: It is very much so.

GALEN: I didn`t know it in advance.

SHARPTON: Well, you would think that Jeb would have because Jeb was the
governor --

GALEN: He was married to a Latina.

SHARPTON: -- which is why you would think he would know.

GALEN: He could have said, Jeb, you can`t say that.

SHARPTON: Rich, you would think he would know that. He was governor of
Florida. This is not something that he shouldn`t have been familiar with.

GALEN: And my guess is, my guess is, that in his household, this is not
seen and his household include as Latina as we know and it`s not seen as a
pejorative and I think it kind of surprised him.

SHARPTON: Well, Jeb said that we all need to chill out but again, if
people are offended, but let me go back to Donald Trump with you, Rich. He
isn`t drawing the crowds that he predicted at major rally in Alabama for
example last Friday. He expected his people said 36,000 people to show up.
He drew around 20,000 and that`s the largest in the republican side. But
let`s face it, it`s 8,000 less than Bernie Sanders record draw in Los
Angeles earlier this month.

GALEN: Yes, I think --

SHARPTON: Is he losing momentum?

GALEN: No, but well, number one, it was a heck of a lot bigger than the
original 300 that they thought they are going to get. This is number one,
number two --

SHARPTON: A heck of a lot less than 36,000.

GALEN: Yes. But still a lot of people. Bernie Sanders by the way I think
was in Seattle if I`m not mistaken. But you`re exactly right.

SHARPTON: You`re 28,000 in L.A. and did about 25 somewhere else and did 14
or 15 in Seattle.

GALEN: But I think if you take them as a group, Reverend, if you take them
both as a group as the outsider group --

SHARPTON: Right.

GALEN: I think they both speak to the same thing that there are a lot of
people who want to hear somebody who isn`t as tightly scripted, who isn`t
as closely predefined and they are drawing crowds, whether those crowds
will turn into voters, that`s always the big question but it`s sure fun to
watch.

SHARPTON: What I`m trying to be is fair. Because Victoria, when Donald
Trump draws a big crowd and he is drawing the biggest on the republican
side, let me repeat that, it`s big news. Bernie Sanders draws more people
and it`s ignored. So is it the outsider? Is it the outsiders as Rich is
saying or are we not being balanced in how we deal with the fact that both
of them have a message that seems to be resonating?

SOTO: Well, Reverend, I think it comes down to the celebrity factor that
Donald Trump has. Even though Bernie Sanders has a very compelling message
that brings in the crowd, Donald Trump has that message that he is putting
out there but he has the hair, he has the hat, he has the music, he has the
plane, he has a helicopter. So, I think that we`re drawn to that.
Immediately drawn. Commentators are drawn to that.

SHARPTON: That`s my point. I think that`s why it`s even more interesting
the Bernie Sanders who is not celebrity with the hair and hat is drawing
bigger crowds.

SOTO: Oh, it is. Just think if he had a hat and he had a plane.

SHARPTON: Well, think if Trump had a plan. But go ahead, Rich.

GALEN: One time, Senator Cranston said to me, that if you don`t have the
hair, you`ve got to wear, if you can hear it ringing on your head, you have
to wear a hat in the winter time. But I think they both drew this, they
are attractive candidates and celebrities in a different way but they are
still celebrity candidates and we live in a Kardashian world and people
like that are going to draw crowds. Again, will it turn into votes? We
don`t know.

SHARPTON: Well, I`m going to have to leave it there. And by the way, for
the record, I have nothing against people becoming well-known and having
distinct hair styles.

GALEN: I believe.

SHARPTON: And I`ve got mine before the Kardashians made stuff go.

SOTO: Absolutely.

SHARPTON: Victoria DeFrancesco Soto and Rich Galen, thank you both for
your time.

GALEN: Have a good night.

SHARPTON: A note about our coverage. Last week I was speaking about the
value of multi-cultural society and I may have mistakenly given the
impression that I believe Puerto Ricans are not American citizens. That is
obviously not too true and it`s not what I believe. I just spoke to
quickly about my grown up in Brooklyn. So, I wanted to get on the record
and clarify that.

Ahead, I`ll talk to jazz legend Branford Marsalis bringing music back to
the big easy 10 years after Katrina. And Hall of Famer Football Hall of
Famer Chris Carter does the right thing, apologizing after some bad advice
to Rookies.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just in case you all not going to decide to do the
right thing, if you all got a crew, you got to have a fall guy in the crew.

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: This week, we`re looking back at ten years since Hurricane
Katrina devastated New Orleans. And celebrating the rebirth of one of
America`s great cities. Just a few days after flooding completely
destroyed so many neighborhoods in the city, two musicians from New
Orleans, Branford Marsalis and Harry Connick, Jr. vowed to help bring music
back to the big easy. Five months after the storm they played an open air
concert in the Ninth Ward.

And just weeks after the storm Marsalis and Connick, Jr. started working
for habitat for humanity to build new homes in the Ninth Ward.
Specifically for displaced musicians. And that`s how musicians village was
born.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(MUSIC PLAYING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have 72 single family houses, ten duplex units. The
design of habitat houses is based on traditional New Orleans housing, and
we build our houses so they fit into the street scape in any neighborhood
where we built.

In a city where even funerals are celebrated with big jazz bands, was there
ever a doubt music in New Orleans would live again?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Joining me now is Grammy winning jazz musician and the force
behind musician`s village, Branford Marsalis, thank you very much for being
here.

BRANFORD MARSALIS, LEGENDARY JAZZ MUSICIAN: Pleasure, Reverend Al.

SHARPTON: Now, I remember going there right after Katrina and other people
in the civil rights community but we weren`t from there. What do you, as a
native of New Orleans, what do you most remember right after that storm and
how it impacted you?

MARSALIS: Well, I live in North Carolina now, so I was watching it on TV
at first and that`s probably the most helpless I`ve ever felt because I
knew everywhere the cameras were and I was powerless to do anything other
than stair at it. It was, yes, I wasn`t in a good space for a week. I
was, yes, it was very unpleasant, but Harry called me about six days after
the storm and said that he found a way to get us into the city and my
brother Delfeayo who was staying in Detroit at the time, my brother Jason
was on his way back from Tokyo and we all kind of converged on Jackson,
Mississippi and started that seven or eight-hour drive, a drive that
usually takes two and a half hours but it was about eight hours to get into
the city.

SHARPTON: How did you and Harry Connick come up with the idea of
musician`s village?

MARSALIS: After we visited the city, then the tradition on New Orleans
gallows humor took over and we went as far as we could, visited homes that
we could visit and Harry decided he wanted to drive to Houston because a
lot of the residents had evacuated. They`ve evacuated to Houston and they
were in the Astrodome. And I said, I want to go with you. Harry started
talking about building a school and I said, yes, I`m not sold on a school
for positive bureaucratic reasons. New Orleans is a bureaucratically
challenged state in a lot of ways.

SHARPTON: Right.

MARSALIS: And he said, well, I have this relationship with habitat for
humanity and maybe we could build a school and build some homes, too. And
I said the home thing sounds like a great idea. And we went to Houston and
we basically didn`t sleep for two days. They told us, we could stay for
two hours. We played a couple songs and we went down and we talked to
people and we prayed with people and we basically stayed there until 4:00
in the morning. They let us stay and then we went to the airport and flew
home and by the time the plane landed in rally, my phone was ringing off
the hook. Okay. Here`s what we`re doing. Habitat is on board and we`ll
going to go back to New Orleans in a week and start a commercial and this
is the whole thing, my manager got involved because Harry and I share a
manager and it just took off from there.

SHARPTON: Now here is what a few of the residents of musicians` village
had to say about living in the neighborhood.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Music is very important to the life blood of this city.
I think we breathe music. It`s in the air. It`s in the water.
Everything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve been musician for at least 60 years now. Music is
a part of life in New Orleans. Living in a community where there is a lot
of musicians is a good thing because you have a chance to learn from each
other to create with each other.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every day you`re going to see somebody jamming with
each other. I mean, it might just be on the porch. It might just be
inside the house. I mean, you wake up in the morning, everybody got
something that I need you to come work on with me, boom.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: How important has music been to the city`s recovery?

MARSALIS: I don`t know how financially how important it is for the city`s
recovery but I think psychologically it was very, very important because we
have a style of music in New Orleans that doesn`t exist anywhere else in
the country or anywhere else in the world, really. So for a lot of
people, to hear very unique songs that are very, they are characteristic
definition of their culture there and for people to hear those songs,
played again I think is very important for the psychological return,
renaissance of the city and the musicians. Basically, the way we play is
so unique that they would not have been able to thrive anywhere else other
than there. So, I think it`s great that the musicians have returned and
the city is on a very slow trajectory but it is definitely rebounding.

SHARPTON: You know, President Obama mentioned musicians` village when he
marked the fifth anniversary of Katrina. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: I`ve seen the sense of purpose
people felt after the storm when I visited musician`s village in the Ninth
Ward back in 2006. Volunteers were not only constructing houses, they were
coming together to preserve the culture of music and art that`s part of the
soul of this city and the soul of this country.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Did you Branford ever think that a few blocks in the Ninth Ward
would get a shout out from the President of the United States?

MARSALIS: That`s clearly a rhetorical question, right, Rev?

(LAUGHTER)

You know the answer to that is no. It`s pretty great. It`s pretty cool.

SHARPTON: Well, I think what you and Connick, Jr. did was pretty cool.
Branford Marsalis, thank you so much for your time and your work and your
artistry. I`m a big fan of the whole family.

MARSALIS: Thank you very much.

SHARPTON: It very well went.

MARSALIS: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Thank you for being with us tonight.

MARSALIS: It`s a pleasure, Rev.

SHARPTON: Ahead, taking responsibility, my thoughts on NFL Hall of Fame
Chris Carter`s controversial comments.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Hundreds of people lined up before dawn so secure a spot in a
tiny Baptist Church in Georgia to see former President Jimmy Carter teach
Sunday school. It`s the same church he grew up in and taught since he was
18. Carter who was recently diagnosed with cancer says he plans to keep
teaching as long as he can. I hope at 90 years old I can say the same
thing.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Finally, controversial comments from NFL Hall of Famer and ESPN
analyst Chris Carter are getting a lot of attention today. Video uncovered
from 2014 shows comments Carter made to incoming players at the Rookie
symposium.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just in case you all not going to decide to do the
right thing, if you all got a crew, you got to have a fall guy in the crew.

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I let my home boys know, you all want to keep rolling
like this, then I need to know who going to be the fall guy who going to be
driving because you all not going to all do the right stuff now, all right?
So, I got to teach you all how to get around all this stuff.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: The NFL quickly weighed in saying quote, "The comment was not
representative of the message of the symposium or any other league program.
ESPN saying quote, "We completely disagree with Chris` remarks and we have
made that extremely clear to him. Those views were entirely his own and do
not reflect our company`s point of view in any way." End of quote. Sunday
night, Carter apologized on Twitter.

Quote, "Seeing that video has made me realize how wrong I was. I was
brought there to educate young people and instead I gave them a very bad
advice. Every person should take responsibility for his own actions. I`m
sorry and I truly regret what I said that day. Great to see Carter
apologize. It`s the right thing to do. We all make mistakes but taking
responsibility shows real maturity.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton, "HARDBALL" starts right now.

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