Skip navigation

All In With Chris Hayes, Thursday, August 27th, 2015

Read the transcript from the Thursday show

  Most Popular
Most viewed

Date: August 27, 2015
Guest: Philip Bump, Gaby Pacheco, Richard Jones, Alan Grayson, Novak
Djokovic, Valerie Jarrett


CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST (voice-over): Tonight on ALL IN --

endorsement. I certainly wouldn`t want his endorsement. I don`t need
anybody`s endorsement.

HAYES: Amid reports of support from white supremacists, Trump
distances himself from a former KKK grand wizard. And others.

TRUMP: I`m not a fan of Hitler.

HAYES: Then, the president in New Orleans.

natural disaster became a manmade disaster.

HAYES: What the federal government is doing ten years after the
storm. Senior advisor Valerie Jarrett joins me.

Plus, the fastest man in the world runs into some trouble.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wow! Down goes Bolt.

HAYES: And by exclusive interview with tennis world champion, Novak

NOVAK DJOKOVICK, TENNIS WORLD CHAMPION: You don`t want to know what`s
in an athlete`s head.

HAYES: When ALL IN starts right now.


HAYES: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes.

Today, Donald Trump offered his most extensive explanation yet for his
continued supremacy in the Republican polls. Talking to reporters after a
rally in Greenville, South Carolina, Trump explains what he means when he
talks about the so-called "silent majority" that supports him.


TURMP: So you have a silent majority in this country that feels
abused, that feels forgotten, that feels mistreated. And it`s a term that
hasn`t been brought up in years, as you know. People haven`t heard that
term in many years. It`s the silent majority. They want to see wins.
They want to see us have victory. We`re not having victory anymore in this


HAYES: The term was popularized by Richard Nixon at a time when the
rainfall strife and social upheavals of the `60s were producing a wave of
white conservative backlash. Now, it appears Donald Trump is tapping into
something similar among a relatively small but increasingly undeniable
group of his supporters, something even uglier.

According to an array of recent reporting, Trump`s message has gained
a solid following from the white supremacist fringes of U.S. politics, from
people who`s number one issue is the decline of America`s white majority.

"New Yorker`s" Evan Osnos talked with several members of several
different white nationalist groups who all felt Trump is speaking their
language. Echoing the candidate, one told him, quote, "The American dream
is dead and the American nightmare is just beginning. I believe it`s that
way. I think whites don`t know the terror that`s upon us."

Another white nationalist told "BuzzFeed", "To the extent Trump
success in putting the brakes at immigration, he will also be succeeding in
reducing the speed with which whites are reduced to a minority."

Trump even won praise from the nation`s most prominent white
supremacist, former KKK grand wizard David Duke.


DAVID DUKE, FORMER KKK GRAND WIZARD: He has really said some
incredibly great things recently. So whatever his motivations, I don`t
give a damn. I really like the fact that he`s speaking out on this
greatest, immediate threat to the American people.

I`ve said from the beginning that I think his campaign is good in the
sense that he`s bringing these issues to a discussion, which we have to
have in America. And he`s continuing to move the envelope further, and I
think he understands the real sentiment of America.


HAYES: When asked about Duke and why he`s drawing support from such
corners, Trump effectively pleaded ignorance.


TRUMP: I don`t need his endorsement. I certainly wouldn`t want his
endorsement. I don`t anybody`s endorsement. I`m not looking --

REPORTER: Would you repudiate David Duke?

TRUMP: Sure. I would do that if it made you feel better. I would
certainly do that. I don`t know anything about him.

REPORTER: But if you read this story and read a lot of organized
white supremacist groups talking ebulliently about you, talking about why
they like you so much, would that trouble you at all? Does that give you
pause? Make you wonder about your message?

TRUMP: Honestly, John, I`d have to read the story. A lot of people
like me. You know, in the poll that just came out in New Hampshire where
I`m a very high number, 35 percent, people like me across the board.
Evangelicals like me, the Democrats like me, liberals like me,
conservatives like me. Everybody likes me.

REPORTER: Absolutely. And just hearing that doesn`t make you worry
there`s something in your message that`s striking a chord with the wrong
kind of people?

TRUMP: Well, I hope there`s not. I hope there`s not. But I haven`t
read the story. I haven`t seen it.


HAYES: Today, after misquoting "The New York Times" at this rally in
South Carolina, Trump made his feelings about one infamous racial
supremacist very clear.


TRUMP: Trump, who has dismissed some Mexican immigrants -- listen to
this -- as rapists and criminals, or simply put as Hitler. Do you believe
-- now, the Hitler one I`ve never heard until this morning when I woke up.
I`m not a fan of Hitler.


HAYES: That might disappointment one of the enthused white
nationalist interviewed by "The New Yorker" who reportedly sipped his
coffee from a cup adorned with a swastika.

Joining me now, "Washington Post" political reporter, Philip Bump.

I -- the rules of this are difficult, and I`m usually quite hesitant
to go down the genre of this group of people with these odious views are
supporting this candidate because -- you know, candidates -- that`s an
inbound link. They can`t support -- they can`t necessarily control. In
this case, though, in that article and other white supremacists saying what
he`s saying on immigration resonates with us, it`s what we want to hear, no
one else is saying it.

PHILIP BUMP, WASHINGTON POST: I mean, I`d love to see a poll of
racists. Besides all of this just to see what their core values are.

But, fundamentally, what he`s talking about with immigration is to the
point, America is changing, America is becoming less white. By 2050,
there`s going to be a population in the Hispanic community that`s much
larger than today. That makes a certain segment of the population nervous.

And what Donald Trump is saying is exactly what they want to hear.

HAYES: And not only that, he is saying it in ways -- what you get
from reading the article in the "New Yorker" and listening to these other
interviews, he`s saying it in a way they are surprised he`s getting away
with saying it and that is the key point, right? It is the way he is
talking about Mexicans, the language he`s using, is resonating to the ears
of people that are explicit racial supremacists.

BUMP: Well, I think part of that is that that message has been out
there for a while. There have been candidates who have put forward this
idea of coming down very, very hard on immigration for a while but none of
them did this well in the primaries. None of them got as much media
attention as Donald Trump is getting. He`s managed to blend that idea with
his celebrity and with a lot of attention from a lot of different folks to
actually raise this to the forefront of the conversation, which is of
course freaking out the Republican establishment which after 2012 want to
do everything in their power to resolve immigration.

HAYES: Today, there`s interesting news that came out that Eric Cantor
is endorsing Jeb Bush. Here is Jeb Bush getting trounce boy Trump. He is
trying to carve out some space to the left of Trump on immigration,
although he does not favor a path to citizenship. He gets the endorsement
from Cantor. What did Cantor have happen to him? An immigration-driven
insurgency that drove him out of office.

BUMP: A shocking -- you have to add that word, it was just amazing
what happened to him. I think that`s what happened here is Jeb Bush made a
strategic decision a short while ago to challenge Donald Trump. I think he
got some poll numbers back that said there was space in this race to be the
non-Trump. I think Jeb Bush is looking for past the primaries to some
extent as well.

This Eric Cantor thing is baffling to people who are thinking about
how you organize a base of conservative vote to win some primaries. But
from the standpoint of positioning him against Trump, it makes sense.

HAYES: But the Cantor race in retrospect looks so fascinating.

BUMP: Oh, yes.

HAYES: Because that was nobody knew who David Kemp was, the guy who
unseated him. Nobody gave him a shot. What powered him was talk show
hosts, Laura Ingraham, among them, going down there, grassroots activists
and what they campaigned on was against Eric Cantor`s, quote, "support" for
amnesty and on immigration. That was the issue that drove that.

BUMP: And part of the problem here and part of the problem that Eric
Cantor had was that the Republican Party put this emphasis on immigration
and never got it done.

So, Eric Cantor was one of the advocates, leadership of the Republican
Party saying we need to act on immigration. He stuck his neck out and the
base reacted. They reacted at the time and now, you`re seeing them react
even more strongly in this presidential primary and Eric Cantor is very
much emblematic of what the Republican Party failed to do.

HAYES: Do you think that if Trump goes away tomorrow, this kind of
rhetoric that we`re seeing on immigration, the kind of language that is
appealing to these members of the fringe, those sort of white nationalist
fringe, does that go away or does that flow somewhere else?

BUMP: I think it probably tamps down. We should be very clear Trump
is not going away tomorrow. I think a lot of us have predicted many times
he`s going away, he`s not going away tomorrow.

But I think it gets redirected a little bit and eventually just sort
of simmers out. I don`t think without Trump in the race, it has the same

HAYES: That will be interesting to see. Thank you, Phil Bump.
Appreciate it.

Trump`s views on immigration are already inspiring some of his
supporters to take matters into their own hands. One of them is Richard
Jones, the sheriff of Butler County, Ohio, near Cincinnati. Jones`
reputation for attention grabbing stunts on immigration goes way back. In
2006, he commissioned a billboard warning locals "hire an illegal, break
the law". But now, inspired by Donald Trump, he`s going even further,
announcing this week he`s specifically assigning one of his detectives to
the immigration beat in order to take public complaints and tips about
undocumented immigrants and businesses that employ them.

He`s even urging constituents to inform on potential violators. But
it turns out the man Jones admires may have held very different views on
immigration as recently as two years ago. According to "BuzzFeed", Trump
met with a group of DREAMer activists in 2013, while exploring a
partnership between his beauty pageants and the Hispanic Heritage Awards.
And, lo and behold, after hearing activists case, while he had this
important business venture, he reportedly told them, "You`ve convinced me
on immigration reform."

Joining me now, Gaby Pacheco, program director of, and one
of the activists who met with Donald Trump two years ago, and Sheriff
Richard Jones of Butler County, Ohio.

Gaby, let me start with you. My understanding is that you were in
that meeting with Donald Trump. What the heck do you make of what has
happened since that meeting?

GABY PACHECO, THEDREAM.US: To say I`m highly disappointed doesn`t
begin to cover it. I`m angry. I feel lied to. This man continues to lie
to the American people. And it`s OK if he wanted to do it if he was to
sell books, but he is running for president.

He met with us. He had 30 minutes. He actually gave us more time
than that, was so gracious, was so nice to us. Really opened his doors and
talked to us and asked questions about immigration and then said you
convinced me, I got it.

HAYES: OK. Sheriff Jones, what about Trump`s message on immigration
do you find appealing? Do you agree with him that you want to see the
federal government actually put in the resources and police powers that
would be necessary to round up and deport 11 million people?

do agree with him. This immigration issue, the illegal immigration is too
far out of control. The Republicans, the Democrats won`t do anything about
it. They have all lied to us for the past few years. That`s why Trump`s
numbers are up.

I believe that we`ve got people here that should not be here. I
believe in self-deportation. Stop giving the free stuff to these people
that are here illegal, the jobs, the money, the welfare. Give those to
Americans. These people will go back on their own. They come back legally
through the legal system. Sure, I believe that.

And when you -- you were talking about me earlier, you talked about
the stunts that I did. These weren`t stunts. These were actually things
that needed to be done. We have people that have been killed in my county
by illegals. We have people that have been raped. We have drugs coming

This is Ohio. We`re not a border with Mexico.

HAYES: Sheriff, let me ask you this -- well, Gaby, do you want to

JONES: Sure.

PACHECHO: You know, the fear-mongering is going to continue there.
We know it`s a fact that immigrants have the lowest number of crime in the
country. We know that all the stuff is made-up numbers and it`s all used
to create fear of the other. Fear of the fact that this country is
changing. By 2030, one in three is going to be a Latino.

And, you know, the thing is that this is not a war against race. We
don`t want to put out the white people. That is not true. That is not
something that we`ve been wanting to do.

But unfortunately it is white people that are afraid of us and there`s
nothing to be afraid of a woman like myself that loves this country, that
wants to contribute, that is contributing and doing so much, because this
is my nation. This is my country.

HAYES: Sheriff, let me ask you this. Do you -- when you think about
America, you talk about immigration. I was just looking at some of the
census data for your county. It just seems like there are a lot of issues
in your county that have nothing to do with what you have is a very
relatively small immigrant population. It seems like a weird thing to
emphasize given the scope of some of the challenges facing your county.

JONES: No, not really at all. We have heroin, we have cocaine, we
have meth, we have marijuana coming in from Mexico.

If I have one person that`s raped, killed, car crashes where they
leave the scene, that`s too much. It`s not about brown, it`s not about
white, it`s not racist.

If I could deport Americans, I would. Come to this country legal and
if you come here, don`t commit a crime. If you come to my county, don`t
bring the drugs in, don`t commit a crime. Come here legal.

It`s against the law to come here. And to the employers, I`m asking
them to inform on these people that are hiring these people illegal. I
can`t enforce federal law, but I can enforce state law. And if you violate
that law, I`m going to be doing everything in my powers, I can enforce
state law.

I`m going to be working with the attorney general`s office. And when
I get the federal complaints, those are going to the federal guys. Hey, it
is what it is.

HAYES: You just said if you could deport American citizens you would.
What do you mean by that?

JONES: Oh, sure. When I have American citizens that commit murder
and child rapists, if there was some country that would take these people,
sure, I`d be OK with that. I`ve always said that.

And if you come from another country and you come here and commit
those same crimes, I want to deport you. I want you to stay in your
country where you come from. I don`t want you to come to this country.

Most of the people who come to this country come here legally, they
come here and they work hard. But it`s not the American dream to go to
work and these employers take advantage of you. There`s 15 in a van shows
up for work. They come in, they work you, they fire you, they abuse you,
you get hurt in your job, then you go to the hospitals. We all have to pay
for it. They have got no rights. The employer says don`t come to work.

If you think that`s the American dream, it`s not, believe me.

HAYES: Gaby, that`s a sort of interesting rift there that there`s
some exploitation happening here that`s somehow at the heart of this.

PACHECO: That is not true and that`s been proven time and again, that
that`s not why people come here. People come here because there are
employers that need the labor of immigrants. And, you know, there`s this
saying that across the border you have one sign from Mexico coming into the
U.S. that says "welcome, we need you." On the other side, it`s saying,
"no, get out."

And the fact is that this is microeconomics. The reality is that this
country in order for it to be great, one, we do need due process. We do
need our judicial system. This is what stands our country against other.

But the other thing is that our country needs the labor of immigrants.
And not only that, immigrants are here to reunite with their families.
Immigrants are here to go to school, make this country better.

And America is America. It`s the nation it is because of its
immigrants. It`s always been a nation of immigrants.

HAYES: All right. Gaby Pacheco and Richard Jones, thank you both. I
appreciate it.

Still ahead, is he the Donald Trump of the left? Congressman Alan
Grayson joins me live next to talk about the heated race for Marco Rubio`s
Senate seat?

Plus, President Obama visits New Orleans on the ten-year anniversary
of Hurricane Katrina. I spoke with White House senior advisor Valerie
Jarrett on the government`s response over the last decade.

And later, when it comes to the track, no one can touch Usain Bolt,
except this guy.





HAYES: There`s one thing we`ve learned during the summer of Trump,
it`s this.


TRUMP: My second favorite book of all time -- what`s my first
favorite book? The Bible.

My second favorite book, did you know what I said is my first favorite
book? The Bible.

That`s my second favorite book of all time. Do you know what my first
is? The Bible.

Actually I got my biggest hand the other night when I said that.

Nothing beats the Bible. Nothing beats the Bible. Not even "The Art
of the Deal." Not even close.

The Bible. It`s not even close.

I love the Bible. I love the Bible. I went to Sunday school.

It`s not even close, the Bible -- it`s not even close.

It`s not even close, we take the Bible all the way, right?


HAYES: Nothing beats the Bible, not even second favorite book, "The
Art of the Deal" which he co-write himself. Not even close.

He loves it so much that it`s too personal to talk about it in any
kind of detail whatsoever.


REPORTER: I`m wondering what one or two of your most favorite Bible
verses are and why.

TRUMP: I wouldn`t want to get into it because to me that`s very
personal. When I talk about the Bible, it`s very personal. So, I don`t
want to get into verses. I don`t want to get into --

REPORTER: There`s no verse that means a lot to you that you think
about or cite?

TRUMP: The Bible means a lot to me, but I don`t want to get into

REPORTER: Even to cite a verse that you like.

TRUMP: No, I don`t want to do that.

REPORTER: Old Testament guy or New Testament guy?

TRUMP: Probably equal. The whole Bible is incredible. I joke --
they always hold up "The Art of the Deal." I say my second favorite book
of all time. I just think the Bible is just something very special.



HAYES: So far Donald Trump has divide normal political gravity by
managing to maintain his lead in the polls despite outrageous offensive
comments and despite picking fights with just about everyone.

Now, while the normal mode of politician is trying to be liked, Trump
seems to be making sure he`s hated by a large group of people. There is
another politician whose extremely different substantive use than Trump,
but whose style has arguably some similarities, someone who has been called
the Trump of the left. That`s Congressman Alan Grayson of Florida, one of
the outspoken, dogged and at times extremely effective members of Congress.


REP. ALAN GRAYSON (D), FLORIDA: If you get sick in America, this is
what the Republicans want you to do. If you get sick, America, the
Republicans health care plan is this -- die quickly.

They`re complaining about the fact that Wall Street wrecked the
economy three years ago and nobody is held responsible for that. Not a
single person has been indicted or convicted. And that one party is a
wholly owned subsidiary of Wall Street and the other party caters to them
as well.

We are creating millions -- no, tens of millions of jobs in other
countries with our purchasing power and we are losing tens of millions of
jobs in our country because foreigners are not buying our goods and

What do you have a higher opinion of, Congress or dog poop? Congress,
40 percent. Dog poop 47 percent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will the gentleman suspend?



HAYES: Congress or dog poop is a favorite clip on the ALL IN show.

He`s now running for the Senate seat which will be vacated by Senator
Marco Rubio because of Rubio is running for president.

Joining me now at the table, Congressman Alan Grayson of Florida.

All right. Several people have called you Trump of the left. What do
you think of that?

GRAYSON: Well, we`re both ahead in the polls so I feel good about


HAYES: You do the thing where you talk about your polling

GRAYSON: Well, the thing, the thing.

But, look, it is true. People have told me over and over again that
I`m saying what they`re thinking but nobody else is saying. Those people
say that are good solid Democrats, they`re champions of justice and
equality and peace.

When people say that about Trump, that he`s saying what they`re
thinking and nobody else is saying, they`re nuts. So, that`s a pretty
fundamental difference.

And recognize how narrow his support base really is. Only 4 percent
of the public ever votes in a Republican primary. He`s got 30 percent of 4
percent. We`re looking at the worst 1.2 percent in America.

HAYES: Wait a second. Oh, that`s interesting, 4 percent -- well, you
know, that`s actually an interesting perspective.

What do you -- what do you make so far of the way the immigration
rhetoric has turned, as someone who`s from Florida.


HAYES: Who, you know, has two people in this race from Florida, Jeb
Bush and Marco Rubio, where the politics sound very different on the ground
in Florida than they are sounding coming out of Donald Trump in, say, Iowa.

GRAYSON: It`s very simple. He`s thrown away the dog whistle. It
used to be you have to speak in metaphors in order to exhibit your racism.
Now, you can just come right out and be racist. And some people like that.
You know who likes that? The racists like that.

HAYES: Are you saying that that`s who his supporters are?

GRAYSON: Well, to -- look, you just discussed that on the air
yourself. And why else would people feel so threatened by brown people if
there are no brown people that live anywhere near them. Trump himself said
that Ferguson, a situation that involved white cops, black citizens, was a
result of people coming across the border and going to Ferguson. That just
shows dementia and racism and discrimination and a mindset that`s foreign,
literally foreign to foreigners.

HAYES: On the Democratic side.


HAYES: Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Biden may be getting in. Do
you have a favorite?

GRAYSON: No, I don`t have a favorite. I will say that they`re all
doing a great job in their own ways.

I had a meeting with Hillary Clinton. She said during that meeting
that she thought climate change was an existential threat. That`s a
remarkable thing for her to say. I`m very pleased by that. She`s come out
in favor strongly of voting rights, making college affordable. These are
things that matter to me as a liberal Democrat, as a proud liberal
Democrat. I`m pleased to see she`s running her campaign in a substantive

Bernie is a gem. I mean, Bernie has been fighting this fight now for
decades. He`s on the right side of every issue as far as liberal Democrats
are concerned.

Biden has done something very important, which is he`s taken liberal
values and put them inside the White House, in the inner circle. And
that`s something that this White House has badly needed.

HAYES: You`re a Jewish guy from the Bronx.

GRAYSON: Yes, I am.

HAYES: There has been an incredible both media focus and lobbying
focus on Jewish members of Congress on the issue of the Iran deal.


HAYES: In fact sometimes I found that media focus creepy and
unnerving. Like it`s some sort of cousin of anti-Semitism, like, you know,
what are the Jews doing?

GRAYSON: Uh-huh, I`ve heard that.

HAYES: But there is -- there is intense pressure on Jewish members of
Congress particularly. How have you been parsing that pressure?

GRAYSON: Well, look, we`re in a situation that in my experience is
unique. I`ll tell you why. Generally when we vote on something, we can
tell the consequence that we`re voting on. You vote for something, the
world is going to be one way. If I vote against something, it`s going to
be another way.

So, if I vote against soybean supports, that means that soybeans get
to be more expensive, soybean farmers are happy, consumers are sad -- I get
that. OK?

In this case, the difference is people on both sides of the argument
are saying the opposite things will happen, totally inconsistent things
will happen depending upon how we vote and that`s something that`s
genuinely new to me. I haven`t seen a vote like that before. So, for
instance --

HAYES: Have you made up your mind?

GRAYSON: No, I haven`t made up my mind. I have not made up my mind.

HAYES: That`s interesting to me.

GRAYSON: Well, I have one group of people who are telling me that if
the deal falls through, then Iran will come back to the negotiating table
and negotiate a deal that`s better for us. I have other people who are
telling me if the deal falls through, either Iran will have a bomb by the
end of the year and all their money that they`re not getting now because
they haven`t been paid for (INAUDIBLE), and in addition to that, we might
have a war on our hands. Or maybe Israel will have a war on its hands.

So, I mean, one of them is horribly wrong. I just don`t know which
one yet.

HAYES: How does the politics of this factor in? You`re running for
Senate in Florida.


HAYES: You`re running statewide.


HAYES: That`s going to be a tough race. You`re going to have a
competitive primary and then you`re going to have a Republican opponent if
you win that primary.

As a politician, you`re an outspoken guy. You seem to be someone who
goes with his values, but you are now -- you`ve got to be thinking about
that general election, that statewide election.

GRAYSON: I`ve been in politics, I`ve been out of politics. I spent
the first half century of my life without being elected to anything.

HAYES: How did you survive?

GRAYSON: Somehow I survived. I survived.

And the fact is if I win, that`s great. I can do a lot of good things
for people. I passed more amendments than any other member of the House
even though I`m a Democrat. More Grayson bills are now the law of the land
than any other member of the House of Representatives, even though I`m a
Democrat and I lose on every party line vote.

So I try to do good things for people, I try to do good, solid
progressive things for people. I am that standard bearer. But if I lose
next year, so be it.

HAYES: When are you going to make up your mind on this Iran deal?

GRAYSON: Probably not until the ending. I tell you this, not until
I`ve seen all the classified information, because we have phone records
from the ayatollah saying that ayatollah telling people that if there`s no
deal, he`s going to have a bomb in three months. That`s one thing. If we
have phone records from the ayatollah that`s saying if there`s no deal,
he`s coming back to the negotiating table, that`s another thing.

These are very important things I need to know.

HAYES: All right, Alan Grayson, running for Senate, Congressman Alan
Grayson running for Senate in Florida -- nice to have you here.

GRAYSON: Thank you. Thank you very much.

HAYES: Ten years after the devastation of Hurricane Katrina,
President Obama was in New Orleans today. We`ll bring you that and his
senior advisor, Valerie Jarrett, coming up.


HAYES: It looks increasingly likely that congress will not block
the Iran nuclear deal we were just talking about, though the battle is far
from over. Amid intense lobbying efforts, congressional Republicans joined
by some Democrats are trying to pass a bill to kill the historic agreement
which would remove sanctions on Iran in exchange for measures to prevent
the country from attaining a nuclear weapon.

If congress passes a bill to kill the deal, the president plans to
veto that
bill and it now looks like there would not be enough votes in congress to
override a presidential veto which means, as Politico puts it, President
Obama is almost
certain to get the deal, but there`s still a long way to go.

Now, that`s the good news for backers of the deal. But the White
House does not want to have to save the deal with a presidential veto which
would send the message the president is acting against the wishes of his
own congress.

So backers of the deal are now trying to secure the support of 41
senate Democrats, enough to block that bill, to kill the deal from even
coming up for a vote via filibuster.

So far, 29 senate Democrats have sided with the president while 15
remain undecided. So, the battle very much rages on.

And yesterday a group of nearly 200 retired generals and admirals sent
a letter to congress urging lawmakers to reject the Iran deal, saying it
national security.

The new letter appeared to be in response to an earlier letter from a
different group of retired generals and admirals who support the deal.

So there were a few names that jumped out at me from that new letter,
the one opposing the deal. The first was retired Lieutenant General
William Jerry Boykin. And that name might sound vaguely familiar, because
in 2004 the Pentagon faulted
Boykin for casting America as a Christian nation at war with Satan in the
form of Islamic extremists. He once said of a Muslim, quite, I knew my god
was bigger
than his. I knew that my god was a real god and his was an idol.

Then there`s these two. John Poindexter and Richard Seacord (ph),
both of whom signed the letter opposing deal with Iran and both of whom
were central figures in the Iran-Contra scandal in which the Reagan
administration secretly
and illegally shipped arms to the Iranian regime, the same regime that is
in place today.

That`s who wants to tell us what to do with Iran. Of course when they
decided to actually ship missiles to that regime, the Iranians, they didn`t
bother to ask the senate for an up or down vote.



OBAMA: Thousands of people saw their homes destroyed, livelihoods
wiped out, hopes and dreams shattered. What started out as a natural
disaster became a manmade disaster, a failure of government to look out for
its own citizens.


HAYES: Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf coast ten years ago this week,
and the pain of the last decade, the more than 1800 deaths, tens of
thousands of displaced
residents, was felt hardest in New Orleans.

But 80 percent of the city flooded, damages were estimated to be in
excess of $200 billion. Neighborhoods like the lower Ninth Ward where the
president spoke today to commemorate the storm`s tenth anniversary, a
neighborhood that had the
highest rate of black homeownership in the country before Katrina was
virtually wiped out.

By most accounts, the entire Gulf Coast has made enormous strides
since the storm. We`ve seen an excellent array of journalism this week
pointing out how far things have come.

But when it comes to how New Orleans residents perceive the recovery,
well it depends very much on who you ask. According to a fascinating
survey by Louisiana State University, nearly 80 percent of white New
Orleans residents say that Louisiana has mostly recovered since the storm,
while almost 60 percent of black
people say the opposite, the state has mostly not recovered.

I got a chance to ask Valerie Jarrett, senior adviser to the
president, about the federal government`s role in the recovery effort and
specifically the White House`s strategy in those rebuilding efforts.


office, he followed through on his pledge that he made when he visited
Houston just a week after the hurricane and spoke to the folks who had been
displaced, which is that they deserve a government that is a good partner,
that is not an obstacle, that is there and engaged with the folks on the
local level.

We`ve had a great working relationship with Mayor Landrieu and he`s
pulled together so many amazing people in not just New Orleans but there
are certainly
people throughout the Gulf who as a result of their grit and fortitude and
resilience have rebuilt. We`ve seen small businesses grow by 40 percent
compared to other small businesses in the Gulf, 60 percent compared to the
rest of the
country. These entrepreneurs who want to get back and contribute to the

One of the many efforts that we have been engaged in is rebuilding the
housing. We have rebuilt 98 percent of the public housing that was lost as
a result of Katrina and we have doubled the number of low income units in
the community.

And I think one of the concerns that people have raised is as the
community starts to experience a rebirth, are the people who are most
vulnerable in need of that housing losing their housing. So doubling those
low income units was very important.

But I would also add -- hasten to add, Chris, we still have a long way
to go.

Ten years seems like a long time, but as many have commented, many of
the challenges that we saw in New Orleans and throughout the Gulf began
long before Katrina hit. What Katrina did was to put a national spotlight
on an ongoing

And so what the president has committed to do since day one is to
ensure that every American has opportunity. We improve our school system.
We make college more affordable. We help our small businesses particularly
grow and expand. And the government is there to cut red tape. We`re there
to streamline the process. We`re there to be a productive partner and
certainly not an obstacle.

There`s been a lot of reporting about the ways New Orleans has
changed, specifically the New Orleans in the aftermath. And the fact that
when you look at some of the indicators you know, a lot of that appears to
be people who were permanently displaced, who were very poor, who had
around them communities that were under siege from a variety of different
fronts who did not come, return and who have been replaced by essentially
more affluent people. This is the kind of turnover. We`re seeing it
demographically. We`re seeing it in just median income numbers and
education numbers.

What is the federal role in making sure that New Orleans doesn`t
essentially become a place unaffordable or inhospitable to the folks that
have been there for generations?

JARRETT: It`s a very good question, and I touched on it earlier.
Part of what the federal government can do is to provide affordable
housing. And one of the first challenges that you see in areas that are
experiencing a rebirth, which is a good thing, you want them to experience
a rebirth.

But what you want to make sure is that you`re not displacing people
who want to live in the community. And so by restoring 98 percent of the
hard units of public housing, by providing vouchers when put together with
the public housing
doubled the number of low income homes that are available in the community
is a very important contribution that the federal government can make to
ensuring that you don`t have gentrification that leads to displacement.

And that`s a strategy that we deploy around the country, as you`re
seeing our efforts in low income communities and helping build mixed income
communities. We want to make sure that it`s not going to lead to

HAYES: And let me ask you this, you talked about resilience and I
know there`s been a tremendous amount of money put into that resilience
from a variety of different sort of agencies. I`ve done some reporting on
some of the work the corps did in the aftermath, specifically on the levee

Are you confident, is the president confident, is this administration
confident that the corps, the Army Corps who are ultimately responsible for
those levees, have done what they need to do, have reformed themselves in
ways they needed to reform to make sure something like this can`t happen

JARRETT: I do think that we have professionalized our response and
our ability to streamline and act quickly. But do we need more money for
infrastructure? Yes, we do. The job is not completed yet and the
president has been calling on congress for years now to take our nation`s
needs for infrastructure seriously.

New Orleans is not the only city in the country that is desperately in
need of infrastructure dollars. So we have a broader responsibility to
provide that infrastructure, including additional resources in the Gulf.

HAYES: All right, Valerie Jarrett, thank you very much, appreciate

JARRETT: You`re welcome. Thank you, Chris, for putting a spotlight
on this really important issue.

HAYES: You bet.


HAYES: Still to come, my interview with the number one men`s tennis
player in the world, Novak Djokovic, about his career and work on
children`s rights.


HAYES: Some big news today, the struggle of low wage workers to get a
decent living wage and to bargain collectively got a big boost thanks to a
brand new ruling from the National Labor Relations Board.

Now, the NLRB said that contract workers can bargain with a parent
company. And here`s why that is so important, big fast food companies like
McDonald`s repeatedly claim that fast food workers cannot bargain with them
because the individual franchise owners were really those workers`

Now, if fast food workers are forced to negotiate with every
individual franchise, that obviously gives those workers much less
leverage. The ruling by the NLRB dealt with the recycling center, not a
fast food restaurant, but legal
experts are expecting the ruling to be applied to various kinds of fights
between fast food workers and their parent companies. Now, appeals to this
huge ruling are
also expected, but it`s still good news.

The potential bargaining power of people who work hard and are looking
to make a wage that they and their families can live on.


HAYES: For a while it was a pretty perfect day for Jamaican sprinter
Usain Bolt. After a dramatic victory over American rival Justin Gatlin in
the 100-meter world track and field championships on Sunday, Bolt easily
defeated Gatlin today in the 200 to win his tenth gold medal in the world
championships and maintain his
hold on the title of the world`s best sprinter.

Bolt then began his victory lap and that`s when things got weird. The
best angle and commentary came from Italian television and it is worth
watching twice.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ah, mama mia! Ah, mama mia!


HAYES: Mama mia indeed. The cameraman lost going of his Segway
scooter after running over, yes, a Bolt in the ground causing him to swerve
and take
the world champion out from behind.

Luckily Bolt wasn`t hurt. Though later he joked the rumor I`m trying
to start is that Justin Gatlin paid him off. Dead pan Gatlin in response I
want my money back, he didn`t complete the job.

Coming up, my interview with tennis super star Novak Djokovic which
thankfully was 100 percent Segway incident free. That`s next.



NOVAK DJOKOVIC, TENNIS WORLD NUMBER ONE: The biggest opponent you can
have is actually yourself. And if you`re able to overcome those
challenges, those mental obstacles, you`re able to actually, you know,
portray and perform -- portray your biggest strengths and abilities on the
court because that`s what you want. Sometimes your mind plays with you and
you`re not able to perform as well as you perform, for example, in the
practice sessions on the same day and then all of a sudden just that
changes because you have so much distractions, thoughts, things
that are influencing your own core behavior.

HAYES: And you`re constantly pushing them out?

DJOKOVIC: Yes, you are.

I would say -- I don`t think the right way is to suppress those
emotions. I think it`s important needs to actually encounter them, try to
embrace them, be aware of their presence but also try to have your
convictions, convictions of self-belief and strength and confidence
stronger than those negative thoughts.


HAYES: The number one tennis player in the world, Novak Djokovic
sharing his advice on how to stay focused during some of the most intense
sporting competitions in the world.

He`s won nine grand slam tournaments in his career, including a third
title at Wimbledon this year. And he heads to the U.S. Open next week as
the top seed in the men`s competition.

Off the court, Djokovic is a philanthropist. For years his foundation
tried to help the most vulnerable children born both in Djokovic`s home
country Serbia and around the world. And yesterday, he was appointed a
good will ambassador for UNICEF and his foundation entered into a new
partnership with the World Bank to promote early childhood development.

Afterwards, I`ve got to chance ask him about his family, his career,
his foundation and why it`s so crucial to help children at the very
earliest stages of their lives.


DJOKOVIC: It`s important to actually dedicate your time and attention
to your child, not underestimate the fact that if you`re child cannot
speak, maybe, up to a certain age that the child does not understand you,
they just express themselves in a different way.

So, through this early child development, we`ve been trying to make a
positive impact in Serbia through our foundation, and this event is such an
important and serious event for our foundation, for our country in general
because we`re partnering with the World Bank as one of the strongest
partners we can have, but also becoming today a worldwide global ambassador
of UNICEF family so I`m very honored to have that role.

HAYES: Can you think -- I mean, you grew up in Serbia during the war.
You had a sort of unique experience because you`re playing tennis and
you`re traveling to a certain extent. Can you think of concrete ways in
which people in your life,
friends of yours, other kids, where -- you saw that firsthand adverse
effects of the war on how they developed?

DJOKOVIC: Yes. I`ve experienced that myself, obviously. And I think
because of the personal experience, many people can relate to what I went
through, and I can relate to what many children are experiencing right now.

So having those circumstances in my very early childhood allows me to
appreciate things in life more now and allows me to actually with that
knowledge and experience in life, you know, have a better approach to the
mission, you know, and to the quest of helping the children have the right
that they deserve.

That`s the right for education that nobody can take away from them, to
grow and play in a very stimulative safe settings and environments, still
while caring
and respecting others and their society.

HAYES: You started this foundation. You`re doing this work now. Do
you think about the fact that you`re going to spend most of your life not
being a
professional tennis player? Like the thing that you do better than
basically anything in the world is going to be taken away from you by age?

DJOKOVIC: Well, it`s a good question actually because most of the
athletes get over consumed by what they do. So sometimes you just lose
track of, you know,
envisioning your future.

What is your future after tennis, because unfortunately all of us
athletes have certain durability. Exactly, the time is ticking. And,
well, I`ve been trying, obviously, to take care of my body.

HAYES: You`ve done that pretty well.

DJOKOVIC: possible and play as long as possible. But I`m also
aware of the fact that that`s not going to go forever and that I`ll have a
long time after that to do something else.

But I`m already, you know, being here today, preparing myself for that
and really proactively being involved in many different fields of life,
many activities, many things that make me really happy. I`m fortunate that
I can afford
myself to really be involved in certain activities, programs that really
interest me, you know, that fulfill me, that make me feel happy. So
philanthropy is
definitely one of them and that`s a field of life where I see myself very
active after tennis.

HAYES: If someone is going to be a world class tennis player like
yourself, they have to start very early. So what is the plan with your
child? Is this like a -- do they get a choice?

DJOKOVIC: Well, yes. I`ve been getting a question when my -- there
is not a
question whether my son will play tennis, it`s a question when he will

So I will definitely not make my son play tennis. If you ask me now,
I don`t know if I would like him to go through the same thing.

HAYES: Do you mean that?

DJOKOVIC: As I did. Yeah, I do mean that. But again, as a parent,
my only
responsibility is to get him on the right path, to give him the education,
the access to the right information, stimulative environment and foremost
and most importantly is for him to be happy. Whatever he wants to choose
to do, I`m there to support him.

HAYES: But if you think back to the childhood that you had and the
intensity of that, the training.


HAYES: Is that something that you think I want -- that`s exactly what
I want for my kid or I want to protect him from that?

DJOKOVIC: Well, I assume it`s a combination. You know, it`s logical
to expect that he will not go through the same kind of circumstances and
life path as I did, because luckily we can -- you know, we have a different
life now, we can afford many other things. But I think it`s important for
him to have the awareness about the reality of his country and his people.
You know how people are and
children, his generation is growing up there. And so he`s going to be very
involved in education and foundations process, I think. That`s what both
my wife and I would love him to do, to be involved a lot in the foundation.
He`s going to volunteer a lot in the programs.

HAYES: Novak Djokovic, really a pleasure. Thank you very much.

DJOKOVIC: Thank you.


HAYES: That is All In for this evening.


<Copy: Content and programming copyright 2015 NBC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
Copyright 2015 CQ-Roll Call, Inc. All materials herein are protected by
United States copyright law and may not be reproduced, distributed,
transmitted, displayed, published or broadcast without the prior written
permission of CQ-Roll Call. You may not alter or remove any trademark,
copyright or other notice from copies of the content.>

Sponsored links

Resource guide