Date: August 28, 2015
Guest: Adolfo Franco
CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Could it really be Trump versus Hillary next
Let`s play HARDBALL.
Good evening. I`m Chris Matthews in Washington.
If you didn`t think Donald Trump had a prayer of going against Hillary
Clinton next year, well, don`t be so sure. And if you don`t think Hillary
had fire in her belly, you didn`t catch her today.
Well, tonight, we await another one of the Donald Trump fireworks
displays. The rebellion he`s leading against the Republican establishment,
i.e., Jeb Bush, is gaining force tonight. He`s pummeling the GOP prince
like a falling monarchy, putting in jab after jab as the son and brother of
presidents slinks deeper and deeper into the single digits. As we end this
punishing week for the Bushes, it`s hard to imagine that the dauphin of the
Bush dynasty surviving even the month of September.
We`re going to bring you, by the way, Donald Trump tonight live from a
fund-raiser in Norwood, Massachusetts as soon as he`s ready, probably about
halfway through the show.
NBC News`s, by the way, Hallie Jackson is up there on (INAUDIBLE)
Hallie, how`s the crowd? How`s the mood?
HALLIE JACKSON, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Pretty posh crowd, Chris, the
campaign estimates about 800 people here, many of them, by the way, paying
$100 at the front when they check in to come through to this fund-raiser,
It`s a beautiful estate here in Norwood, Massachusetts. It`s about a
half hour outside Boston. Everybody`s enjoying hors d`oeuvres on the lawn,
some cocktails. Of course, the main event will be when Donald Trump gets
up to speak.
He will also be taking questions from the media, and we expect that to
happen maybe in the next half hour or so. You might be able to hear the
band playing now. That`ll stop, presumably, when Trump gets here.
He`ll be speaking at the podium, but tonight will not be the last we
hear from him in Norwood, at least because he is actually going to be on
Sarah Palin`s program. She`s got this new political talk show. Donald
Trump, Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz will all be featured on there.
And Palin, you might have seen, went on a kind of a discussion today
about these -- what she called gotcha questions to Trump about his
religion, about his, for example, favorite Bible verses, whether he liked
the Old Testament or the New Testament. So that may be one of the
questions Trump could get tonight, along with this question of why he`s
collecting money when he said he doesn`t need to collect donations.
Now, I talked to some folks. I said, why did you write a $100 check
to come in here? This guy is a billionaire. They said, We just want it to
be a token. We wanted access. We wanted to come here. We wanted to show
him that we support him.
Trump, as you know, has called these donations, even the small ones,
investments in his campaign, and tonight, hoping to gather many more of
them -- Chris.
MATTHEWS: Is this a regular person`s party, or is the old Yankee posh
JACKSON: It`s pretty posh. There`s some floor-length gowns.
Everybody`s got the sport coats and the ties on. It`s -- I wish you could
see the house. We`re sort of stuck in this location. But it is a
beautiful estate. You know, the guy who`s throwing this event really well
known here in Massachusetts, kind of a car czar. He owns a bunch of
MATTHEWS: Yes, well, that`s regular.
JACKSON: And it looks as though few expenses were spared.
MATTHEWS: Thanks so much, Hallie Jackson up there in Norwood, Mass.
We`re going to check in later in the your to get the live broadcast from
himself, Mr. Trump.
We`re here with "Mother Jones`s" David Corn, Republican strategist
Adolfo Franco, MSNBC`s Joy Reid -- that`s the great joy Reid...
MATTHEWS: ... and "The Washington Post`s" Jonathan Capehart.
I want you all in order I introduced you to tell me -- I think the
news of the last couple weeks, maybe a couple months now, is not so much
that Donald Trump will be the nominee. Who knows? It`s a -- to me, it`s
52-card pickup, at this point. But the cards are in the air.
Whatever was the Republican establishment is ferkakte right now. It
is nothing. Nobody -- nobody believes the Republican Party is dying to
keep the Bush dynasty. Your thoughts?
DAVID CORN, "MOTHER JONES," MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, Bush...
MATTHEWS: Am I right?
CORN: I think you`re right. Bush always had a hard time, I think, at
the beginning. He`s not charismatic. He has the Bush, you know, baggage.
MATTHEWS: He`s down to what, 7?
CORN: Yes, he`s down to 7 points. The base was not screaming for the
restoration of the Bush monarchy. That`s the Republican base, let alone
the general election.
But what Trump is doing is I think he`s showing that it`s not
necessarily one wing of the party versus another wing of the party, which
is how we tend to think of politics...
MATTHEWS: It`s not right versus center-right.
CORN: No. What it is, it`s a current. There`s a current running
through the Republican electorate. It`s true for social conservatives,
evangelicals, moderates, conservatives...
MATTHEWS: It`s juice.
CORN: It`s anger.
MATTHEWS: Yes, OK.
CORN: It`s anger, deep satisfaction (ph), deep frustration. And he`s
the one who`s pressing the button, who`s making an emotional connection
with all Republicans across the ideological spectrum.
CORN: Bush certainly doesn`t do that. And the question is, is there
anybody else of the 16 remaining dwarfs who can compete with Trump in that
MATTHEWS: OK, well said. I think you`re -- I agree with you. You`re
saying what I`m saying.
Let`s take a look at -- before we go to the rest, let`s take a look a
little deeper at the Republican rebellion that Trump is riding and
inciting. Since Republicans took back control of Congress, their
favorability has plummeted among Republican voters. 68 percent of
Republicans currently view their own party favorably, down 18 points just
Only 37 percent of Republicans view John Boehner, their speaker,
favorable, and the favorables for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell`s
down to 34 percent.
Meanwhile, just to show this isn`t symmetric here, 85 percent of
Democrats approve of the job President Obama`s doing right now. So 85
percent of Democrats are happy with him. The Republican Party leadership
is way down in the 30s.
ADOLFO FRANCO, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, of course...
MATTHEWS: What`s wrong with the establishment of the Republican
MATTHEWS: They don`t like them.
FRANCO: Well, here`s the problem with the establishment of the
Republican Party. There`s a huge frustration and expectation that the
establishment, especially with the election of a Republican Congress, is
going to do something to put the brakes on the Obama administration. And
we all know that`s very difficult to do. That`s why the president`s
popular. It`s easier to be the president, have the popularity be with one
individual than it is 535 members of Congress.
But beyond this, look, Chris, we are talking August 2015...
MATTHEWS: OK, so...
MATTHEWS: Tell me what`s going on right now. Your guy is 7 percent!
FRANCO: My guy...
MATTHEWS: You think that`s not significant?
FRANCO: There`s 16 other guys that we have. There`s not just one...
MATTHEWS: Seven percent!
FRANCO: There`s other guys...
MATTHEWS: OK, is there anybody in the country who doesn`t know who
Jeb Bush is, doesn`t know his father was president...
MATTHEWS: ... doesn`t know his brother was?
FRANCO: Sure. But...
MATTHEWS: That`s 93 percent are not going for him.
FRANCO: Well -- well -- well, where was Romney at this time...
MATTHEWS: All right, OK. OK.
MATTHEWS: I`m going to give you the Jack Germond award.
MATTHEWS: Jack Germond used to always say it`s way too early...
FRANCO: It is, but...
FRANCO: I`m going to show you Donald Trump will not be the nominee of
the Republican Party!
MATTHEWS: If that`s all you have to say...
FRANCO: No, it isn`t all I have to say.
MATTHEWS: Then try to explain to me why Donald Trump is leading.
FRANCO: Well, because he is touching on discontent with the
Republican establishment. There`s no question about that. But so is Marco
Rubio. So is Ted Cruz. So is Rand Paul. They are...
MATTHEWS: The three leaders in the Republican Party in the latest
polling are all non-office holders.
I want to move on to Joy. Just forget ideology for a second. I think
you have a point here. Three non-office holders -- Donald Trump, who`s
never been elected -- maybe student politics, I haven`t checked his
records, and he`s always asking us to check Obama`s records at school.
You got Dr. Ben Carson, who`s a very good man. I think he`s in the
wrong business right now. He was in the right business. He`s a genius,
many people say. And of course, Carly Fiorina has moved up pretty well.
So you`ve got -- in the latest polls. So three people who`ve never
held political office does tell you something about what they think of the
elected officialdom, the big shots, the personages of the Republican Party,
if you will.
JOY REID, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: Yes, no, absolutely, Chris. And I
think that what`s really fascinating is that Donald Trump seems to have
perfected something that, actually, Ted Cruz tried to do in the United
States Senate, which was to wage this very public war of the people against
the party bosses and...
MATTHEWS: Like Mitch McConnell`s a liar.
REID: Exactly. He was going to show them up in the Senate. Because
what you`re hearing on the right, and I think what Donald Trump is taking
advantage of, is the fact that politics is not that complicated. The
people will support you if you do what you say you`re going to do.
Why are Democrats happy with President Obama? Because he said he was
going to give them universal health care, and damn it, he did it. He said
he was going to get Osama bin Laden, he did it.
He delivered on a substantial part of the agenda that they elected him
to do, whereas the Republicans keep promising the right that they`re going
to do very conservative things, and when they get in office, they say,
Well, you know, we really can`t do that constitutional amendment to end gay
marriage. Well, we really can`t ban all abortion. Well, you know, you
really need to slow down on that immigration talk because we really can`t
seal the border. We kind of want some of that immigration...
MATTHEWS: Well, they won`t pass a bill.
REID: They don`t do what the base wants them to do, but they stoke
that base for the purposes of getting elected, and then they let them down.
It`s not really surprising that...
MATTHEWS: Well, luckily...
REID: ... it`s populists taking advantage.
MATTHEWS: ... we have a personage from the Washington establishment
joining us right now, Jonathan Capehart...
MATTHEWS: ... to defend the ancien regime.
There has been a sort of a deal that the country`s had for years, now,
center-right Republicans, center-left Democrats. The country`s been run by
the middle, basically, for our lives, with very rare -- McGovern went
nowhere. Goldwater went nowhere. (INAUDIBLE) always like the French,
going toward the center. And even with Reagan, he moved toward the center
So now there`s a movement by one of the two major parties in the
country to do something different. It looks like they want to do something
different. Your thoughts.
JONATHAN CAPEHART, "WASHINGTON POST," MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Well,
look, Ronald Reagan today probably couldn`t even become the nominee of his
own party because he understood what governing meant.
MATTHEWS: (INAUDIBLE) adjust.
CAPEHART: But you know, I would take a part of what David Corn was
talking about and part of what Joy was talking about and put them
MATTHEWS: How about Adolfo?
CAPEHART: Sorry, Adolfo. But you put those two together, and I
think, from my perspective, we see exactly what`s going on here.
To David`s point about, you know, Donald Trump touching on the
emotion, that current of emotion that`s running through the Republican
Party -- I would say that it`s anger. It is anger about the direction that
the country is going in, anger at the president. From almost the moment he
was inaugurated, you heard people saying that they wanted to take their
country back, I want to take my country back.
And of course, there are a whole lot of us who are thinking, Take the
country back from whom and why?
CAPEHART: So they`re angry about where the country is going. And
then to Joy`s point about the frustration, they`re angry because, as she
was saying, they were promised a lot of things not just by Mitt Romney, not
just by John McCain...
CAPEHART: ... not just by George W. Bush...
MATTHEWS: Let`s talk...
CAPEHART: ... and others...
MATTHEWS: I agree.
CAPEHART: ... that never came to pass. And now they see this as an
opportunity to really get what they want.
MATTHEWS: You know what? I`m going to go back to you, Adolfo,
because you`re playing defense here.
You know what I think it is? I think of the old big house movies from
the `30s with James Cagney, the big house when there`s a break, a prison
break. All of a sudden, the guards are being wrestled to the ground.
Everybody`s trying to -- they don`t know whether they`re going to get away
or not. In fact, most of them don`t get away. They just hold off guards
for a while, then they cut a deal.
I see every -- a couple guys hiding in the corner, Don`t blame me.
I`m not doing anything wrong. I`m not part of this break, right? But
there`s a prison break going on in the Republican Party. And you deny it.
FRANCO: Well, I`m not...
MATTHEWS: Why are they all acting like this?
FRANCO: Look -- look, this is -- this is...
MATTHEWS: Nobody in authority`s winning!
FRANCO: But this is nothing new, Chris.
MATTHEWS: Nothing new?
FRANCO: We`ve seen the Tea Party -- no, no...
MATTHEWS: Your party`s the most predictable organization in the
FRANCO: No, no. No, it isn`t. We`ve seen the Tea Party and the
conservative movement growing for the last two or three years. Obviously,
Donald Trump has capitalized on this.
MATTHEWS: Bob Dole (ph).
FRANCO: What this could eventually lead to...
MATTHEWS: Mitt Romney.
FRANCO: ... is a third party. I think there are very clearly two
MATTHEWS: We`ve had Bushes, we`ve had McCains, we`ve had...
FRANCO: We`ve seen it in Britain...
MATTHEWS: ... Bob Dole. There`s been a rebellion.
FRANCO: We`ve seen it in Britain. We`ve seen other parties emerge.
I think this is possibly the beginning of a -- not a movement or a faction,
but a new party.
MATTHEWS: That`s a bigger thought than anybody`s said so far.
MATTHEWS: That`s big.
CORN: No, no. But that`s the...
MATTHEWS: Is this like the Whig Party dying and the Republican Party
being born back in the 1850s?
FRANCO: No, this has happened just the last 10 years in Britain.
CORN: It`s really interesting because the establishment wing of the
party or the -- they`re not being listened to. You know, they can`t --
they -- they -- Joy -- Joy was right. They got to power by riding the Tea
Party tiger. They stoked the base. They had rallies on the Capitol
against "Obama care" in which Tea Party people shouted "Nazis, Nazis,
Nazis" about Democrats. They use the most hateful politics out there to
get elected, but they can`t satisfy the beast.
REID: Because, Chris...
CORN: So now Trump is riding that...
MATTHEWS: Joy, go ahead.
REID: No, because I was going to say that I think that if you`re a
Tea Party member -- first of all, remember, the establishment bankrolled
the Tea Party. They made those pre-printed signs that were horrifyingly
saying "Bury Kennedy with `Obama care.`"
CORN: The Koch brothers...
REID: Those were printed by the establishment. The Koch brothers,
the big money guys, actually funded the Tea Party. But if you`re your
average Tea Party guy, you didn`t go out there and go to the 9/12 rally in
order to get Mitt Romney, a hedge fund manager, as your nominee!
REID: You went out there because you wanted...
MATTHEWS: I love you, Joy (INAUDIBLE)
REID: ... another Sarah Palin. And they keep telling you, You can`t
REID: You wanted the hard-right agenda...
REID: ... you marched for...
MATTHEWS: We`re battling metaphor here...
REID: ... and they gave you Romney?
MATTHEWS: OK, Joy, let me follow you up with a real metaphor to drop
(ph) everybody`s excitement (ph) around here. Could it be that -- the Tea
Party people historically wore Indian costumes. They pretended to be
Indians throwing the tea in the Boston harbor.
FRANCO: Tax (INAUDIBLE)
MATTHEWS: Could it be that this is like the French and Indian war, to
go back further, where the French in their perfumed costumes and their
wonderful (INAUDIBLE) allied themselves with the Indians. And the Indians,
of course, went in there and scalped all the Brits, and that was part of
the story. And then they go, Oh, we didn`t know they scalp people. Oh, we
didn`t know they were allies. Oh, yes, they do because you taught them to
scalp people because you paid them by the scalp!
So could it be this an alliance that`s become embarrassing for the
FRANCO: I don`t think...
MATTHEWS: Your party...
MATTHEWS: Wait a minute. We`ve been in an alliance with these Tea
Party people, and now they think they can run the show.
FRANCO: Well -- well, I don`t know if it`s embarrassing, but I think
-- I think the Tea Party and that movement was leveraged with an
expectation it could be tamed.
FRANCO: Oh, yes, it was!
MATTHEWS: Talk about hubris!
FRANCO: But that`s what I am saying, the Republican establishment, or
what remains of the Republican establishment -- I really see we`re seeing
the beginning of a new movement...
FRANCO: ... in terms of a new party.
MATTHEWS: Joy, quick, last word.
REID: And Chris, the ultimate -- the ultimate -- the ultimate example
of this, "The National Review" -- who did they put forward? It was either
"National Review or "The Weekly Standard" said the ultimate champion of the
Tea Party who was going to ride in and implement the Tea Party agenda was
And then Rubio gets to town, the establishment loves him. Washington
loves him. What does he do? He gets on board with immigration reform!
MATTHEWS: Yes, he did.
REID: The Tea Party base is, like, What? It feels like a bait and
MATTHEWS: There`s no room for hybrids (ph).
REID: Doesn`t matter how the establishment tries to force Rubio on
them, they don`t want that!
MATTHEWS: We`re going to come back with Jonathan because he has to
think before he talks, and the rest of us...
MATTHEWS: He`s used to writing editorials and columns. So when we
come back (INAUDIBLE) time for the more deliberative thought here. The
HARDBALL roundtable will be back featuring Jonathan Capehart. When we --
well, throughout the show, in fact. We`ve got an hour of this. We`re
going to wait right...
Oh, I`m sorry. Donald Trump has just changed our schedule. We`re
live. Donald Trump is coming in, and we`re going to -- I`m going to what
they call stretch here right now. Donald Trump, who`s making all the
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, boy!
MATTHEWS: ... 28 percent in polls right now. Bush W. (sic) -- we
talked about it being down at -- actually, Jeb -- W. was in -- down in
Katrina down there today.
Oh, here he is. Here`s Trumpy.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This not a fund-raiser
tonight, just so you understand. We are -- I guess they`re paying for some
of the basics in terms of -- you know, we have food. We have, I guess,
1,500 or 2,000 people, but this is not a fund-raiser.
We`re not doing anything in terms of fund-raising.
QUESTION: What about the checks (INAUDIBLE)
TRUMP: I think what they`re doing is some of the people -- many of
the people are coming in, they can pay whatever they want. But I think
they`re doing something to offset the tremendous cost of food for 2,000
people. But this is nothing -- this is not a fund-raiser.
QUESTION: How is your money situation for the campaign?
TRUMP: It`s going great.
QUESTION: You`re accepting donations, obviously.
TRUMP: It`s going great. I`m turning down millions of dollars for
the campaign, millions. Everybody`s offering me money, and I don`t want
it. So I`m turning down millions of dollars and -- no interest, no
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: And again, we have a lot of veterans coming in tonight free.
And we`re taking care of their food. We have a lot of great people coming
in. We have wounded warriors here tonight, a lot of wounded warriors,
great people, our best people. The veterans, the wounded warriors are
best, and they`re coming in free.
And some people are making contributions, but it`s only if they want
to. If they want, they can make a contribution. We do have people, a
woman -- $7, $12, $19. We see them coming into the office.
And that kind of a donation I want because they invest in the
campaign. They feel invested. To me, that`s very important. It doesn`t
amount to a lot when you add it all up, but to me, it`s very important.
But I turn down a lot of money.
I will say the -- one thing I noticed today, I think -- I was just
told there are five or six PACs, and they`re sort of supporting Trump, is
from what I understand, and they`re being raised all over the country,
PACs, because they want to see something happen with this country and they
want to see something good happen.
So -- but -- thank you. And I think -- you know, I -- frankly, I
think that`s terrific. But I don`t know any of these people, but they
have, I think, five or six PACs are opening up.
QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) to the protesters that are outside right now
who are (INAUDIBLE)
TRUMP: Well, I don`t see many protesters. I see thousands of people,
and there`s a few protesters. And I figured you`d ask that question
because, you know...
TRUMP: No, that`s the way it is. CNN is terrible.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: CNN -- you`re with CNN? Are you with CNN? You people do not
cover us accurately at all.
So they have a few protesters outside, and they have thousands of
people, and the first question from CNN is about protesters.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) settled on a campaign theme song yet?
TRUMP: Well, a theme song, no, but the theme is make America great
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: That`s the theme.
Yes, ma`am. Go ahead.
QUESTION: Can you -- I know you`re going to be announcing your tax
QUESTION: ... but can you explain that and who you`re going to raise
QUESTION: And are you rejecting trickle-down economics?
TRUMP: OK. So we will be announcing a tax plan over the next four
weeks, probably some time during the month of September. Who knows taxes
more than me? I know the taxes very well.
I would say that probably before the end of September, we`ll have a
very comprehensive plan, and one of the things will be simplification. And
I believe we`ll end up with a tax reduction, which to me is very important.
You know, the United States, we pay the highest taxes in the world.
We`re going to be asking for a reduction. So I think overall, it will be
very -- people are going to be very happy.
Yes, sir, go ahead.
QUESTION: We have a controversial casino law here in Massachusetts.
Steve Wynn has something in the works. We`re not sure exactly how this
pans out. When this started, how come you didn`t want to build a casino in
TRUMP: Well, I`m doing so many other things. I know Steve. He`s a
friend of mine. And I guess that was where it`s going. But some other
people were also competing. They`re also very good. I don`t know what the
final outcome was. I`m not involved in it.
QUESTION: Is it good for Massachusetts?
TRUMP: Depends on how it all works out, but potentially, it could be.
QUESTION: Female voters that are looking to potentially support you,
what do you want to say to them? Because there has been some criticism
TRUMP: You know, I think the female voters -- because Ivanka, my
daughter, my wife, they feel so strongly about the women`s health issues,
and they said to me, you know, there`s nobody that feels more strongly than
me. It`s true. Women`s health issues. As you saw, Jeb Bush was really
almost against it. It was terrible, where he didn`t want to fund women`s
And I will tell you, we will work together and we`re going to take
care of women. I cherish women. And my daughter and my wife said, You
have to talk about that, because they know how I feel.
QUESTION: Will she be part of the campaign, Ivanka?
TRUMP: Ivanka will be part of the campaign, so will Melania, very
much so, after September. So it`ll start kicking in really big league.
It`s hard to believe what we`ve accomplished, and we`re not even in -- no,
no, we`re not even into September, and to think where we`ve come.
But Ivanka and Melania, my family is starting to get involved after
September 1st, OK? Thank you.
Yes, go ahead.
QUESTION: Our governor here in Massachusetts, Charlie Baker, has
described some of your comments about women as reprehensible. Do you have
a response to that?
TRUMP: No, he must have been talking about Jeb Bush because, frankly,
Jeb Bush said he didn`t want to fund women`s health issues, and then he
came back a few hours later and he said he misspoke. I think he must be
talking about Jeb Bush. He`s not talking about me.
TRUMP: OK. Yes.
QUESTION: Why is Jeb Bush a frequent target of yours? And what do
you think about...
TRUMP: Well, I would say Jeb Bush is a frequent target because, when
this whole thing started, I thought he was going to be the primary
competition. But he`s drifted very much to the middle of the pack, and
he`s rapidly disappearing. So we`re going to have to start looking at
TRUMP: To what?
QUESTION: Your reaction to Eric Cantor`s endorsement?
TRUMP: Can you imagine, you ask Eric Cantor to endorse you?
Now, Eric Cantor had the biggest loss in the history of the United
States Congress. It`s never happened, where a man in that position loses.
And he got primaried. I mean, he lost. And then he says, would Eric
Cantor -- I wouldn`t want his endorsement. OK?
Yes, go ahead.
QUESTION: You have had a lot of choice words for Boston Mayor Marty
Walsh over the last few weeks.
QUESTION: What would it take for him to ever convince you to make him
a running mate?
TRUMP: Marty Walsh?
TRUMP: Honestly, I don`t know him. I don`t know him. He said
something nasty about me, and then I said, you failed in the Olympics. I
mean, he failed. So I really don`t know Marty Walsh, in all fairness. I
hope he does a good job at mayor. But I have nothing. I really don`t know
I do know Tom Brady, who is great, Bob Kraft, who is great, and coach
Belichick, who is great. Those people, I know. But those are real
TRUMP: Well, you have a problem of mental health in this country.
And we have to take care of people. And we have to find out who these
people are. And we have to do something about it, because we have a mental
health problem more than anything else.
You know, if you look at gun violence, you look -- you say -- used the
word gun violence -- Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the world, they
say, and certainly in the United States, and look what`s happening over
there. You take a look at Baltimore, tremendously strict. So many of the
places, so strict, those are the places that have the biggest problem.
We have a mental health problem. We also have an illegal immigrant
problem. A lot of the gangs -- it`s true. A lot of the gangs in Saint
Louis and Ferguson, a lot of the gangs in Chicago, and the toughest and the
meanest, the worst dudes in Baltimore, you have seen it, they`re illegal
And I will tell you one thing. If I get in, they are going to be gone
so fast out of this country. They`re going to be gone so fast.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: I mean, you take a look at what`s happening, and you have
illegal immigrants at gangs that you wouldn`t even believe. They`re going
to be gone. OK?
Yes, go ahead. Go ahead. A lot of questions in this group. Wow.
How long are we going to be doing this? There are a lot of questions.
They`re great questions, but we got a lot of people out there.
QUESTION: Mr. Trump, you are in Patriots country. You mentioned Tom
TRUMP: I am Patriots country, and I mentioned Tom Brady. That`s
QUESTION: Yes. And the judge wants the two sides to settle. Do you
think Brady should settle with the NFL?
TRUMP: Leave Tom Brady alone, right? We love Tom Brady.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: As you know, he`s a very good friend of mine. I know Tom
Brady. Tom Brady is an honest guy. He`s a great guy. He`s a great
champion and winner. Leave him alone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes!
TRUMP: Well, the infrastructure of the country is crumbling.
QUESTION: And that`s my question. What would you do to improve
infrastructure around here?
TRUMP: It`s a great question.
We have to rebuild the infrastructure of the United States. We`re
spending money, supporting countries that don`t even like us. We`re giving
military weapons to countries that flee as soon as they hear a bullet is
I always tell the story of 2,300 Humvees armor-plated, the best in the
world. A bullet goes off, and everybody runs and the enemy takes over,
think of it, 2,300. We have to rebuild our country. We have to rebuild
our military. Our military is going to be so strong that nobody, nobody is
going to mess with us, nobody. OK?
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: And our vets are going to be taken care of.
QUESTION: You have made a lot of bold statements throughout the
campaign, but not a lot of specifics. (OFF-MIKE)
TRUMP: Well, it`s coming. You see the immigration plan. Build a
Who likes the idea of a wall? I love it.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: Somebody said, you can`t build a wall. You know, the Great
Wall of China is 13,000 miles. This wall is 2,000. It`s really less. But
you really need 1,000.
So they could do -- 2,000 years ago, they could build the Great Wall
of China, but then they say, how do you build a 1,000-mile -- give me a
break. So easy, and it will be great.
Yes, sir. Go ahead.
QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) infrastructure. Would you have to raise taxes
to rebuild it?
TRUMP: No, I don`t think you will have to raise taxes at all.
There`s so much fat in Washington, that if somebody got in that knew
what they were doing, you don`t have to raise taxes. We want to lower
taxes. We want to lower taxes.
All right, one more question.
Yes, go ahead.
QUESTION: Are you going to sign the (OFF-MIKE)
TRUMP: Well, I may change them around. I know hedge fund guys that
pay almost nothing and they make a fortune.
I want to see lower taxes. And I`m going to make a determination.
But, on some people, they`re not doing their fair share. These hedge fund
guys -- I hate to say -- many are friends of mine -- and most of them
support Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush, just so you understand. They`re not
supporting me, because I told them, I don`t want your money.
But the hedge fund guys have to pay up. OK, one or two more.
Go ahead. Yes.
QUESTION: Who do you want to face in the general, Hillary or Bernie?
TRUMP: Who do I want to face in the -- I really don`t care. And I
haven`t focused on them.
I`m focusing on the 16 people that right now are looking to do well.
Most of them are not doing well at all. A poll just came out you probably
saw, the Gravis poll. And that poll is -- we`re at 40 percent, more than
40 percent. Yesterday, you had a great poll come out that`s at 28 percent.
We`re doing great. In New Hampshire, we`re at 35 percent, the Public
Policy, which is 35 percent.
We`re leading in Iowa. We`re leading in New Hampshire. We`re leading
in South Carolina, North Carolina, the state of Nevada, the state of
Florida. Here, you have a governor and a senator from Florida, and not
only leading, but leading by a lot.
People want to see real change, not Obama change, but real change,
really positive. And you know what they want to see more than anything
else? They want to see victory. We don`t have victories anymore. This
country doesn`t have victories anymore. And they`re going to see so many
victories. They may get tired of winning that much. I don`t know.
It`s possible they will get tired of winning that much. You`re going
to see so many victories if I`m elected president. OK?
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: OK. Thank you all very much. I have got to go.
You know, we had -- we had a tremendous crowd at the airport. It was
amazing. I hope they were able to come over here. But we were greeted
with hundreds and hundreds of people at the airport. There`s something
happening. There`s a movement going on. Call it silent majority. Call it
whatever you want, but there is a movement going on.
Thank you all very much.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
MATTHEWS: Well, that`s Donald Trump, of course, taking questions from
reporters up in Norwood, Mass., before what he calls not a fund-raiser.
It`s a get-together.
I`m back with our panel. Actually, I will call it our roundtable, for
future reference. It`s not a panel.
MATTHEWS: Never say that again -- David, Adolfo, Joy, and Jonathan.
Let me ask you, Adolfo. It seems to me we were all talking gleefully
how it`s all about anger. But there`s more. He seems to be promising
people a good time. Happy days are here again. He said, we`re going to
have so many victories, it`s going to be winning so much, we`re going to
get tired of it.
MATTHEWS: Well, that`s something funny. There`s something like
gallows humor in all that, because we`re so far from that experience.
ADOLFO FRANCO, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, exactly.
And what I think it is, it`s entertaining. We were sort of joking
here. But he`s touching something very real in people. And that is, I
think people have lost faith -- and I think this is not limited to
Republicans and conservatives -- in the system and in politicians.
That`s just -- it`s just a clear statement. He`s touching that. The
problem with this is -- and I think it will run its course, Chris -- is,
this is entertainment. It is entertainment.
MATTHEWS: Well, promising to get hedge -- let me go to Jonathan.
MATTHEWS: Jonathan, he`s promising to do something I think is going
to maybe not a miracle worker for him. He goes after the hedge fund people
in New York, a lot of Democratic contributors. We know them. And he
starts saying, you`re going to start paying income taxes at the same rate
as the working stiff.
No more of this paying the cap gains numbers, pretty wealthy guys.
Many of you are Democratic contributors. I`m going to nail you guys.
I think the people out there are going to like that. Your thoughts?
JONATHAN CAPEHART, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Sure. Sure, they`re going to
But Adolfo hit on something that I thought about the moment I heard
Donald Trump say, this isn`t a fund-raiser. So why did those people pay
the hundred bucks to get in there? And, of course, they paid for a
This is -- as Adolfo said, this is entertainment. They paid $100 to
see a one-man show filled with bravado, and precious little substance.
We`re going to have all these victories. I`m going to raise taxes.
MATTHEWS: Substance? He said he`s going to simplify the tax system.
Was that real?
MATTHEWS: There`s not a person out there that doesn`t wish it was a
reasonably uncomplicated document that an honest person without hiring an
accountant could fill the hell out.
And, by the way, that`s a very democratic idea, that you can actually
fill out your own tax form. That is a democratic idea.
CAPEHART: Sure, but I think Adolfo is right. This is going to run
its own course.
How many times can you see this same one-man show over and over and
over again before you start asking, wait?
MATTHEWS: Is Bernie going to run his course?
CAPEHART: Before you start asking, what are the details of that tax
plan, what are the details of the immigration plan?
MATTHEWS: Is Bernie Sanders -- is Bernie Sanders going to run his
CAPEHART: Bernie Sanders is talking about -- is talking -- talking
substance. He`s not talking about...
DAVID CORN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Let me disagree for a second
with Jonathan, because I don`t think this is about Donald Trump alone.
I think it`s not a supply issue. It`s a demand issue. There are
people who out there want these promises, whether they`re bold and empty.
They want the emotion. They want the anger and the promise. This is what
you point to, the potential.
And I don`t think they are going to get tired of hearing this from
Donald Trump, if the alternative is listening to Jeb Bush.
JOY REID, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Exactly. Amen.
MATTHEWS: By the way, everybody, everybody, everybody, there is a
common ground here, left and right. We -- I wish they`d just get together
on something, these pols, because you go to La Guardia or to these places
that are supposed to be great public places that we all share.
Europeans come here, Asians come here, Africans come here, and what do
they see? A rat hole. They come in. They arrive like -- Penn Station in
New York is a rat hole. People say, how can I go to Cape Town or Joburg
and a beautiful place there? I go to Pittsburgh and it`s beautiful.
How come New York, these major centers, are junkyards? I`m telling
you, that`s what he`s on to.
REID: Absolutely. I`m with you on this one, Chris, because I don`t -
- I think it`s entertainment for us; it`s entertainment for the news media.
We find it terribly entertaining, much more than listening to a Jeb Bush
But I think for the average person out there -- and, Chris, you
touched on something -- and in previous shows, you have said this -- it`s
not just people on the far right. I wrote down only one phrase from what
Trump said and it`s people want to see victories.
He`s touching on a visceral -- it`s not an anger. It`s anger, but
it`s also this sense of people want that sense that the little guy can beat
the big establishment, whether that`s the money guys on Wall Street,
whether that`s the Republican establishment in D.C.
MATTHEWS: You have just nailed my personality, not ideologically, but
it is my personality...
MATTHEWS: ... which I have been routing for the outsider all my life.
REID: He`s always saying, I`m a winner, I`m a winner. That`s what
people want. He`s giving people not this entertainment, but that visceral
sense that that thing in your gut that says that it`s those Mexicans that
are causing your problems, that it`s the Chinese`s fault that you don`t
have any money, that visceral sense that there`s something wrong with you
lot, and I`m going to get it back for you. People like it.
MATTHEWS: Two seconds after he`s president, he is going to drop all
that salesmanship and do the real stuff, I bet. He`s not going to spend a
presidency deporting people, because that would be the end of him. And he
doesn`t want to have the end of him. There`s no victory in deportation.
REID: That`s why the Republican base is mad, because every single
Republican pol gets up there and promises that and then they don`t deliver.
And then people -- you get this.
MATTHEWS: All they got to do is sign the Senate bill, guys. All they
have to do is sign the Senate bill. It`s sitting there waiting for them.
Anyway, the HARDBALL roundtable is waiting to come back. I`m getting
in the wrong tense. We will be back.
But the Donald Trump show continues tonight. He is going to give a
speech tonight, another barn burner. We will look for new stuff. I think
going after the carried interests of the rich guys on Wall Street is news.
We will be right back.
This is HARDBALL.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: I don`t see many protesters. I see thousands of people and
there`s a few protesters. And I figured you would ask that question,
because, you know, no, that`s the way it is. CNN is terrible.
CNN -- are you with CNN? Oh, good. You people do not cover us
accurately at all. So, they have a few protesters outside, and they have
thousands of people. And the first question from CNN is about protesters.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MATTHEWS: Dismissal of a major network.
Anyway, as we await -- we await remarks from Donald Trump -- he is
going to speak soon -- let`s get back to Norwood, Mass.
We will get to -- anyway, we`re going to talk about this right now.
And I -- there we go. There`s Hallie Jackson. Thank you, Hallie.
There you are.
Is this a fund-raiser or isn`t it? It`s become an issue.
HALLIE JACKSON, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, it`s a question and
it`s a fair one to ask.
And Donald Trump says it is not a fund-raiser. You heard him say that
when I asked him about people making these donations. He`s of course
talked a lot about the fact that he doesn`t need these donations. He`s
independently wealthy and he`s using his money to fund his campaign. He is
accepting donations. And he has talked about how those are investments.
Now, are there people writing checks to get in here, or at least at
the entrance to this estate? Yes. At the same time, Trump said tonight --
you heard him say in his press conference that they didn`t have to. They
could come in and pay nothing. They could come in and pay less than $100,
more, whatever they wanted.
MATTHEWS: Is that true, Hallie? Can you be...
JACKSON: I can tell you that we have talked to people who paid money
to come here. That`s not to say -- there`s 800 people or more back there.
So, we`re going to get some boots on the ground and do some reporting on
But he is framing this as not a fund-raiser. Again, he`s accepting
money. He says he has turned millions. We asked, who are you turning down
millions from? But he just kind of continued on with his answer. The
fund-raising question is just that, a question.
MATTHEWS: Well, they look relatively well-fed, that group up there.
I think they`re doing fine financially.
Let me ask you about the crowd outside that was protesting. What`s
the nature of the protest? Can you tell? Are they -- who are they?
JACKSON: Yes, yes, people coming out, essentially pro-choice
protesters talking about Trump`s record on women, furious with his record.
There are maybe, I would say, two dozen, maybe more. Trump, as you
heard from that sound bite that you played, did, obviously, as you called
it, a dismissal of the CNN reporter who asked about those protesters, given
that there are a lot of supporters here.
But you heard Trump get a bunch of questions on his record on women`s
issues, women`s rights and women`s health. That`s something that`s dogged
him for at least the last couple of weeks. His response though is that he
points to what his daughter said, to what his wife says, that he has got a
great record on women`s health.
He turns it around and slams Jeb Bush. Interestingly, too, Chris, he
-- you picked up on this. We`re going to see more of his family on the
campaign trail starting possibly as soon as next week. Trump said that
after September 1, you are going to be seeing his family out on the trail
more as his surrogates as his campaign continues to pick up steam.
MATTHEWS: Have you met the family? They are something. The kids --
they`re young adults, of course -- are very impressive. They`re well-
mannered. They`re not like him. They`re not brash talkers.
And they seem to know -- and his daughter is very much in the
business. She`s putting up the hotel here in D.C. on Pennsylvania Avenue.
So, that`s going to help. They`re going to show that he`s normal, in fact,
a pretty good father, it looks like. Your thoughts?
JACKSON: I think you will see more of them on the trail.
I think that, again, with these questions about women`s rights and
women`s health bugging him, you are going to be seeing more of them out on
JACKSON: And Trump says that. And he`s pointing to it and he`s done
this for a while, too. You know this, that he`s pointed to the fact that
Ivanka, his daughter, for example, says, my dad has a great record on
women`s issues and he should be touting that.
And, again, Trump flipping it to attacks on who he sees as maybe one
of his primary competitors, Jeb Bush. You heard him talk about Eric
Cantor, obviously the former House majority leader, who just came out and
endorsed Cantor -- and endorsed Jeb Bush, Trump dismissing this, as he did
yesterday in that tweet.
I don`t know if you could hear the roar, the cheer going up behind me
as Donald Trump apparently takes the stage or at least appears in front of
this crowd here.
JACKSON: So he`s getting them fired up just fine.
MATTHEWS: Hallie, have a nice -- Hallie, have a nice weekend. Thanks
for reporting up there.
This is kind of fun, but it`s also important.
Just moments ago, Trump ripped into Jeb Bush and former House Speaker
-- House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, who just did -- how does this guy
have the chutzpah to endorse anybody?
MATTHEWS: Endorsed Jeb Bush. He`s out of the business.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: Jeb Bush is a frequent target because, when this whole thing
started, I thought he was going to be the primary competition. But he`s
drifted very much to the middle of the pack, and he`s rapidly disappearing.
So we`re going to have to start looking at somebody else.
Can you imagine, you ask Eric Cantor to endorse you? Now, Eric Cantor
had the biggest loss in the history of the United States Congress. It`s
never happened where a man in that position loses, and he got primaried. I
mean, he lost. And then he says -- I wouldn`t want his endorsement.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MATTHEWS: Let me get back to Joy Reid. I know you`re having a tough
time deciding which of these candidates you like the most.
DAVID CORN, MOTHER JONES: Poor Joy!
MATTHEWS: Jeb Bush really dropped the biggest clinker when it came to
women`s health of any candidate ever by saying they`re already getting
enough money basically. What do you make of that?
JOY REID, MSNBC NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I mean, well, I think
one of the sorts of truisms in politics has been that Jeb Bush is this
great politician. He really actually isn`t. Jeb Bush benefited from a lot
of great luck in Florida. He lost the first time he tried to run for
governor then his brother won in Texas. But he had this massive war chest
when he finally did win election to the governorship.
REID: And he got elected during the peak of the Clinton boom. And
then he got out before the end of the Bush bust. So, Jeb has never been a
very deft politician.
MATTHEWS: Well, this to be continued. Let`s go to Donald Trump,
who`s began speaking at the event which is not a fund-raiser.
Listen. Not a fundraiser. Let`s listen.
TRUMP: You don`t have to use it. Right now you have so many people
threatening, looking at us the wrong way. They don`t fear us, they don`t
respect us. They don`t respect our leader. They don`t respect any of our
You look at trade pacts. China eating our lunch. Japan, like we`re
children. Mexico both in trade and at the border what they`re doing to us
And I have great respect for China, for Japan. I love the people. I
love the people of Mexico. I love Hispanics. Nobody, nobody loves
Hispanics like I do. I probably have more than almost anybody working for
They come in, they buy apartments, they give me a fortune. I love
them. I love them. I love them.
But the problem our country has -- and it`s a big problem -- is that
the leaders, whether it`s Mexico, whether it`s Saudi Arabia, where we
protect -- think of it. I have great friendships in Saudi Arabia. They
make a billion dollars a day.
Now, remember, oil went down. So maybe it`s a half a billion. It`s
still a lot, right? And when they have a problem, we go in and protect
them. What do we get? Nothing, nothing.
So many places. I ordered 4,000 television sets not long ago, 4,000
for a big job. I came -- they`re all from South Korea, Samsung, LG, Sharp,
they`re all from South Korea, they`re making a fortune.
Now, when North Korea raises its hand, when our friend from North
Korea, that wonderful young man, I`ve never seen that. He inherited a
dictatorship. That`s pretty tough, right? How do you inherit a
So, he probably has something going because that`s not easy. But when
he raises his hand and he starts getting a little bit frisky, we go over,
we`re going to protect, the ships start going, the planes start going. We
have 28,000 troops over in South Korea on the border. And you talk about a
dangerous border. That`s a dangerous border.
We get nothing! What? We get nothing. And South Korea`s making a
fortune. And we love South Korea, but somebody`s got ask them, hey, folks,
come on, help out, right? We owe now 19 -- we owe $19 trillion, $19
trillion and we`re protecting everybody.
Now, Ukraine is interesting. We want to protect Ukraine. But can I
tell you what? You have Germany, you have all of these European countries.
Ukraine is their neighbor. They don`t say anything. They don`t help out.
They don`t do anything.
We`re the one that takes the lead. We take the lead on everything.
We take the -- he said we`re the suckers. Who said that? Who said that?
Very good. Smart guy. I probably went to school with him. Smart.
He shouts out, "We`re the suckers." Hey, we want Ukraine to come through.
We think it`s great. But why isn`t Germany there making -- who has a
Mercedes Benz right now? Raise your hand. Look.
They`re making a fortune. They`re a very, very great nation. They`re
a money machine. We get nothing. They say, go in and take care of
Ukraine. OK, fine.
So, we have to start using our heads. We can do something so
incredible. Look at Iran. Now, what about the pact? Did you see the
They are going in to inspect their own site. The worst site, the most
important site they`re going to self-inspect. Can you believe it? Can we
even -- are we even saying this? Are we even saying this?
He just said John Kerry`s a joke. No, he`s a bicyclist. OK? No,
think about it.
He`s 73 years old and he goes into a bicycle race. He`s got the
helmet, the whole thing. He`s negotiating a very important deal. He
falls, he breaks his leg, and he`s gone.
Now, he walks in on crutches. They say what the hell happened to you?
The Iranians can`t believe what`s going on. They can`t believe it. So,
they deal with Iran.
You know, we`re going to have in two weeks with Ted Cruz and some
other great folks, we`re going to have -- we`re going to have a rally in
Washington against the Iran deal. People are saying, oh, it`s too late.
You can`t stop it.
Think of it -- they get $150 billion, and by the way, they get that
money whether the deal goes through or not. Can you believe it? So even
if you stop the deal, they`re getting this tremendous amount of money in
order to do things terror all over the world. What do you think they`ll
use that money for? Terror all over the world.
So, they get $150 billion plus, plus, plus. Russia and people that we
thought were with us, they`re going to be the big beneficiaries. Russia is
selling them missiles. You know that, right? Tremendous order of
missiles. I thought they weren`t supposed to have missiles. They`re
getting missiles, the latest, the best, from Russia. We have four hostages
over there, can you believe making that deal and not getting the hostages
And John Kerry said and Barack Obama said the reason they didn`t want
to ask for the hostages is they didn`t want to complicate the deal. Can
you believe it?
Here`s all you have to say. If you have the right messenger -- and,
by the way, it shouldn`t have taken place at the end, it should have taken
place at the beginning. You walk in when we have three hostages.
A fourth, a journalist was added. One is there because he`s a
minister, he`s a Christian, he`s a pastor. And he`s there because he`s a
Christian. So, you have four hostages, you had three at the beginning of
the world`s longest negotiation. By the way, I wrote "The Art of the
Deal." Did you ever see a negotiation take so long? It never ended. And
at the end, we were folding on every single point.
The Iranians are great negotiators, the Persians are great
negotiators, and we have people that are babies. It`s like a chess player
grand master playing against a checkers child. No, that`s what it is.
So, we have the hostages over there. And you would have said at the
beginning, the right messenger, got to have the right messenger, not said
right, fellas, fellas, let them go. You don`t want them. They`re not
helping you. It would make the deal a lot easier. Let them go. Just let
Ninety percent sure, maybe 95, they`re going to let them go. If they
don`t let them go, then you leave because that`s all it is. There`s
nothing complicated. You know, we gave them -- we gave them a little time
before one of their top nuclear scientists. Does anyone know that?
So we give them -- think of it -- a nuclear scientist and they won`t
give us our hostages back. It`s so insane.
Then you have the 24-day rule. How about that one? We want to
inspect their site. It takes 24 days. What a lot of people don`t know,
that until the clock starts ticking, it could be weeks and maybe even
months before you even start that 24.
So they have this long period of time. Let`s say they`re doing wrong.
Let`s say they`re playing the nuclear game. We notify them, they delay it,
then the clock starts ticking. In the meantime, bing, bing, bing, they`re
cleaning up, they get rid of everything.
Like in the old days with my father, I used to paint the floors
battleship gray. Battleship gray ideally shiny depending on the texture of
the floor. Ideally shiny. And we walk in and everything -- oh,
everything`s beautiful. Oh, look. Oh.
Does anybody think they`re going to adhere to it?
I want to tell you, that deal is so bad for Israel that it`s
incredible. Israel -- I don`t understand it. You know, I have friends of
mine who happen to be Jewish who supported Barack Obama. They cannot
believe it. They can`t believe it. They can`t believe it.
Israel`s in trouble. The United States is in trouble. And the reason
we`re in trouble because we`re doing things that are really, really
detrimental to our country. Our country`s in big trouble. Our country`s
in big trouble.
So here`s the big thing. OK. Here`s the good news. Here`s the good
news. We can turn it around. We can take care of our military.
We can take care of our infrastructure. You look our infrastructure.
Our roads are crumbling. Our airports are third world. You go to Qatar,
you go to Dubai, you go to places in China, you go to different places in
the Middle East, they have airports, the most beautiful I`ve ever seen in
I was in Qatar and I was given a tour of an airport. I said this is
the most beautiful airport. They were showing me the most incredible
airport you have ever seen and I said this is great. Congratulations.
They go, no, no, no. Our real airport is being built right over
there. And he pointed -- this airport was temporary. And he pointed
across the runway, they must have had 75 cranes lined up. The most
incredible thing you have ever seen and we come can back to LaGuardia.
It`s very, very sad. It`s very, very sad.
So, we`re going to clean up our infrastructure. We have bridges,
right? Look at the man, he`s shaking his head. He`s just going -- oh,
he`s right. He`s a smart guy and he`s devastated. Am I correct?
Look, I know your brother? Who`s your brother? Very nice guy. Not a
good golfer but that`s OK. He`s a nice guy.
So, I just want to say to Ernie, to everybody, this is such an
incredible group of people. This is a record for a house, I will tell you.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
You know, usually when you do these -- first of all, not a lot of
people have property this big. Where`s Ernie? Ernie, where are you,
Not a lot of people have Ernie`s property. He`s got a lot of acres
here. This is a big sucker, Ernie, OK?
But, you know, the other day we were in Iowa, where we are leading in
the polls. And we had in a room that never -- we had 4,000 people. They
went wild and they are great people.
Then we went to New Hampshire where, by the way, the poll just came
out, 35 percent. Can you believe, 35, 35!
And you know, we have some low-energy people. They are really low.
I`m not going to say Jeb is low energy, but he`s pretty low.
Who would you rather have negotiate with Iran, Trump or Jeb?
How about this, Trump or Hillary?
Believe me, Hillary`s got some big problems. If she makes it to the
starting gate -- which I think would be unfair to General Petraeus. You
want to know the truth, General Petraeus, his life was destroyed for doing
2 percent of what Hillary did.
I think it would be very, very unfair to General Petraeus. I will
tell you, you know, when you look at what she`s done and how she`s done it
and the servers and Huma. How about Huma?
OK, here`s the story. So, Huma now is one of the people that came
through, who`s Huma married to? One of the great sleaze bags of our time.
Anthony Weiner. Did you know that?
She`s married to Anthony Weiner, you know, the little bing bing bing,
bam, bam -- I love you very much.
So, think of it. So, Huma is getting classified secrets. She`s
married to Anthony Weiner, who`s a perv. He is. He is.
So, she`s married. Now these are confidential documents. She`s
married to this guy and -- guess what happens to Anthony Wiener, a month
ago, I see he went to work for a public relations firm. Do you believe it?
Now, if you think that Huma isn`t telling Anthony, who she is probably
desperately in love with all fairness to Anthony because why else would she
marry this guy? Can you believe it? Can`t see straight.
But if you would -- look, think of it. So, Huma, it is coming through
Huma. She has a lot of stuff, a lot of information, who knows? So, she is
married to a bad guy. I knew Anthony Weiner a long time. I knew before
they caught him with the bing bing bing, right? And he was a bad guy then.
It turned out he was a really bad guy.
So, she is married to Anthony Weiner. Do you think there is 5 percent
chance that she is not telling Anthony Weiner now of a public relations
firm what the hell is coming across? Do you think there`s even a little
bit of chance? I don`t think so.
Are there any women in this room who are in love with their husbands
who wouldn`t be telling them everything? You wouldn`t or wouldn`t?
No, she said, I wouldn`t but I`m in love. Now, you will.
So, it`s a very sad situation. So, I don`t know -- I don`t know if
Hillary gets to the starting gate. But -- and my primary focus are on
these 16 people. You know, I have guys like Lindsey Graham who are zero.
You ever notice the ones that attack me most viciously all went down
to zero. I get attacked by Lindsey Graham. I get attacked by Perry, and
then I got angry because I said, why are you wearing glasses? You know, he
is trying to show he is intelligent, right? And then I said, to get on the
debate stage, which, by the way, all the polls, "Time" magazine, Drudge, I
won -- they did a poll. Who won the debate? And I did not get asked the
But Trump won in all of the polls for the debate. Think of it, I
said, about Perry, I said, no, no, no, he wouldn`t be allowed. He should
not be allowed. He has to pass an IQ test first, right?
Anyway, he went down to just about zero. Now you have Rand Paul.
Think of this guy. Think of him.
I said, what`s going on with this guy? All of a sudden he attacks.
You know, he calls me up a year ago. He wants to play golf. I said, who
is he? Who is he? He is a senator, OK, I`ll play. A senator calls, you
know, who knows?
So, Rand Paul calls, he wants to play golf. I play golf. I kill him
at golf. I did. Even he admitted that. I`m actually a very go good
golfer but that`s OK.
But I kill him at golf. Then he asked me for money for an ice center.
I give him like $20,000, it`s a lot of money, right? You know, for a guy
you met 15 seconds ago, no, it`s a lot. I mean, somebody walks off the
street and calls you up for a round of golf.
Anyway, he was at 7 or 8 percent and he attacks me and down to 2
percent and he might not even make the debate stage. But, you know, he`s a
nasty guy. But all of these people when they attack me and here`s what is
going to happen.
If I`m president, when Putin attacks me -- and I mean, let me just
tell you -- they say when. OK, when is good. I like that. The power of
You know what, when I`m president --
When people come at me and I`m not talking -- I`m talking on trade, on
so many ways we`re going to win, we`re going to have so many victories.
You know, right now, we don`t have victories anymore. Do you agree?
I mean, think of it, when was the last time this country had victory.
Do we ever have victories? Everything is negative. Our real unemployment,
you know, we have 93 million people out of work. We have 50 million people
in poverty, 50 million people. Food stamps all over the place.
And then we hear it is 5.5 percent unemployment. Give me a break.
You know the story, when they stop looking for work, they consider you --
statistically, they consider you employed. So, you have 93 million people
that want to work. They want to work.
Our country is going to be so strong and so great, we are -- I am
going to be the greatest jobs president that God ever created. I mean, God
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
Ernie, I like this group of people.
Look at Ernie. I said, Ernie, who is that? He said it is my
girlfriend. I said, you better marry her, Ernie. Ernie, you are not
getting any younger. Marry her.
Oh, that`s going to put pressure. Oh, my Ernie. Ernie is such a
So, we are going to make our country successful again.
MATTHEWS: You are watching Donald Trump in Norwood, Massachusetts,
And that`s HARDBALL for this Friday night.
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