Video: Sen. John McCain

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On Monday's 'The Situation with Tucker Carlson,' program, the host spoke with Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz), who said despite recent troubles, there are 'hopeful signs' in Iraq. McCain also addressed legislation he recently proposed with Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, noting that "climate change is real and we have not done enough about it."

To read an excerpt from their conversation, continue to the text below. To watch the full interview, click on the video link above.

TUCKER CARLSON, 'THE SITUATION' HOST: You said this weekend on NBC, that America would likely be in Iraq for at least a couple of more years, and you described the situation there as difficult. Pretty different from the way the White House has been talking about Iraq. Is it your impression that the people that are managing the war from the White House in Washington don't know what is going on in Iraq, or why do you suppose their sense of it is so different than yours?

JOHN MCCAIN, U.S. SENATOR (R-Ariz.): I'm not sure that their sense of it is that much different than mine, I think it's a matter of how you describe it.  There are some hopeful signs. There's been an increase in these attacks by outsiders rather than Iraqis, we now have Sunnis in the government, they have finally come to some agreement on the drafting in the Constitution. But I think it's far better to say this is a long, tough, hard, slog that we have to win, we must win this and we will do what's necessary to win it. I think it's a matter of delivery of the message, and that's what I think the primary difference is about it.

CARLSON:  And it may be also why the armed services are having such a terrible time recruiting people. You said after 9/11 that Americans should serve their country in some way and young Americans should be especially encouraged to do that.

MCCAIN: We've gotta do two things, Tucker. One, appeal to patriotism. Now that always gets a certain segment of Americans, and a lot of us who lead have to emphasize that and the second thing, it's a marketplace. You've got a pool of young Americans who are going to make decisions about their futures, based on their interests. They are going to have to raise the enlistment bonus, they are going to have to increase educational benefits, make it more attractive so we can compete for this part of the labor, with the combination of the two we can do it.  But look, but can I finally say, the guard and reserve are overstressed and overstretched, many of us, said that years ago and I think that represents a serious problem.

CARLSON: I think a lot of Americans including me are confused by the situation at Guantanamo Bay. Namely, this question: Why haven't after three and a half years a lot of these guys had their cases adjudicated ... we know they're bad, I guess, but do you know the answer to that question? Why haven't they been classified as people headed to trial or not?

MCCAIN: I'm sure that you would get from the Pentagon and members from the administration that it's difficult to determine their exact status and what rules would apply and whether they are prisoners of war or not and all of that kind of stuff. But look, no human being no matter how terrible or egregious they are, can be kept indefinitely incarcerated without some addressing of their case. I was there in Guantanamo Bay a year and a half ago, and I said then along with two other Senators ... try them or adjudicate them. Now you hear in response, (that) some of these people we already released and they went back fighting for the Taliban, or the bad guys or al-Qaida or whatever.  I think that's terrible and I hate to see that happen but you also have to balance that against the image of America in the world.

CARLSON:   I want to ask you about legislation you sponsored with Senator Lieberman of Connecticut that would reduce CO2 emissions in the U.S.?  It's a global problem, doesn't it make sense to enforce it globally?

MCCAIN: Yes, there are 24 nations that were signatories at Kyoto I believe. The Europeans have a cap in trade program in existence, which is market based program.  I'm all for the U.S. renegotiating Kyoto only on the condition that China and India be included, but are we going to wait for China and India?  Tucker, we are the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases, we are the ones that are responsible.

CARLSON: Doesn't it put American industry in a huge disadvantage? If we have to abide by these restrictions and they don't?

MCCAIN:  Somehow it's not putting Europeans at a disadvantage in fact they are finding that it works and it's encouraging development of technologies that reduce emission of greenhouse gases and they are providing cleaner air and it's a great source of friction between us and our European friends and for us to do nothing which is, what we're doing now, or buy into some proposal which is the alternate proposal which is over time, maybe reduce greenhouse emissions, I would like to look my grandchildren in the eye, I'm telling you, climate change is real.  We have not done enough about it. We need to act. Our proposal is a market based one and cap and trade, the other one is a government mandated program, which I strongly oppose as a conservative.

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