All In   |  June 28, 2013

After historic Senate vote, immigration reform moves forward

In the wake of the huge bipartisan Senate vote, Chris Hayes is joined by Congressman Luis Gutierrez to discuss how it gets passed in the House when Speaker John Boehner and Republicans are throwing up obstacles, even after so many of their Republican counterparts in the Senate voted for it.

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>>> we go into this weekend with much more clarity than we've had in a long time about just who it is that will determine the fate of 11 million of our fellow americans. yesterday this historic vote happened. bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform passing 68-32. and now it's on to the house of representatives whose speaker, john boehner , was quick to issue this edict.

>> apparently some haven't gotten the message. the house is not going to take up and vote on whatever the senate passes. we're going to do our own bill through regular order and there will be legislation that reflects the will of our majority and the will of the american people .

>> that attitude, fan the flames of the naysayers, savvy and otherwise, who rushed to say this bill is more or less dead in the house .

>> john boehner , the speaker, even said today it's got to look very different, very, very different for them to take up this issue if at all.

>> that's right. they might not even vote on it.

>> between the lines there, what boehner is saying is a majority of house republicans have to support it and that means that the senate democrats who passed this thing today won't be happy as they try to work out a compromise.

>> john boehner keeps saying he's not going it let it come up on the floor unless he knows for sure a majority of the republican members of the house will support it.

>> now, i don't actually believe that. when people say it, or when they go further and say immigration reform in general is dead in the house , they play into john boehner 's hands. because john boehner is trying to convince everyone that the immigration bill he has just been passed is doomed to fail wrur. boehner is staking out a negotiating position in which there is no wiggle room. he wants you to believe there is nothing he can do, his caucus won't support it. so leadership can't get behind it. but the republican caucus , and it's hard to keep this in mind sometimes because of the way they act, the republican caucus is not simply a feature of the political landscape or some force of nature . it is a bunch of human beings subject to conscience, pressure and practical considerations about their political future. and believe me, the broad coalition of institutions, organizations, donors, and grassroots movements are going to bring that pressure. i honestly think john boehner has no idea what he's in store for. if steve king thought that he was made uncomfortable when, as he tweeted, "20 brazen self-professed illegal aliens have just invaded my d.c. office" he should ready himself for a long, hot summer. if at the end of it king and boehner and the rest of the house republicans want to burn to the ground the aspirations of 11 million people and tens of millions of voters, then that's on them. but those who have already on colluded that that's where this ends up are both underestimating the power of the movement for reform and supplying an excuse for the republican caucus for doing something which is inexcusable. which is killing this bill. joining me, luis gutierrez . congressman, you and i think have similar perspectives on this. i'd like to think it's not wishful thinking but i was in arguments with frechbiends of mine yesterday who cover the hill, who know it well, say, why on earth is boehner doubling down on this thing that's he's not going to bring this up, not going to violate the hastert rule. why is he painting himself into this corner unless he really means it?

>> i have come to the conclusion that the republican majority in the house of representatives has no understanding, just does not comprehend the depth, the width, the broadness of the american people 's support for comprehensive immigration reform , and, unfortunately, our movement for immigration reform spent all of its energy, fortunately surk sccessfully in getting the bill through the senate. all of those forces, let me just say the array of forces, the spectrum, the ideological spectrum, political ideological, religious, economical, i mean, you look at it from every sector of our society. you're going to have "the new york times" and the " wall street journal ." we're going to be together on this, but so are some pundits on some other tv stations that aren't quite with the issue in the past. look, you cannot stop this. and when it is felt, i really believe that you're going to get a vote of the majority. having said that, look, we're also going to be smart and practical and flexible. we need to give a safe place for republicans, and there are dozens of them. like paul ryan and like rubio in the senate and others that put that bill together and paul ryan who i know is going to help us put it together in the house of representatives . we need to give them a bipartisan space. so here's what the speaker says. he says we're not going to accept the senate version. we don't have to accept the senate version. we can come with a version from the house of representatives and we can go to conference and we can come out with a bill that the president can probably sign.

>> that's my question. let's say, let's say this. john boehner won't break the hastert rule. he's not going to bring a bill up that doesn't have the majority support of his caucus. let's say a bill passes a house that is an immigration bill . i believe one has to because they're not idiots. they understand it's just their murder is too obvious if they just plunge the dagger in in front of everybody by just, like, not letting the bill come up at all, right? let's say they pass an immigration bill but it looks nothing like the senate bill . you go to conference, it's like trying to mate a wildabeast and a caterpillar. what ungodly creature comes out of the conference committee that gets you where you want to go?

>> you know, i get your point. but let me tell you something. i don't think it will be so dissimilar in terms of fundamental issues. like the right of 11 million people --

>> path to citizenship.

>> to live with justice, have a path to citizenship. to have their families protected. look, come on, chris, before the republicans kind of had an argument. well, when the democrats were in charge and obama was elected president, they didn't bring about comprehensive. they had their chance and they blew it. and they're really not that serious about it. but after the vote yesterday, when 54 democrats -- i've never seen -- that's the kind of base you start with. 54 out of 54 senators voted for comprehensive immigration reform . let me just say, in rejecting steve king 's trying to defund the dream act and the president's executive order , stopping the deportation, 198 out of 201 democrats voted against that.

>> partisan lines here are clear. they understand what the stakes are. the question is whether they get the message in time. congressman luis gutierrez . thank you so much. have a great weekend.

>> thank you.