All In   |  October 01, 2013

Shutdown exposes GOP fissures

Chris Hayes talks about day one of the shutdown with Press Secretary Jay Carney, Senator Chris Murphy and Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky.

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>> joining me now is white house press secretary jay carney . we're hearing the house of representatives is going to pass and send over to the senate for a bunch of mini crs for things they feel are inconveniencing the their constituents.

>> it demonstrates the lack of seriousness the house republicans have known in approaching this very simple task, which is fulfilling their responsibility to keep the government open, to extend funding at current levels, no partisan strings attached by democrats, no partisan strings attached by the president, just do your job, fund the president, keep it open. the president said as he has said all along and has all year to discuss negotiations about broader budget issues, how we invest to make our country secure and continue to reduce the deficits. but in a balanced way. this approach demonstrates they're still not serious. it's like they're cherry picking little pieces to keep open because it's inconvenient to keep them sput shut. the rig -- shut. the right thing to do if they want them open is to keep them open.

>> right now we're going to go to the october 17th debt ceiling limit as announced by the treasury. at a certain point if this extends, does there come a tipping point at which the white house will not sign off on a deal that doesn't also include a debt ceiling raise? because it seems to me that a week from now if you're passing something to get us out of the shutdown and turning around and finding yourselves staring down the barrel of another fight of the debt ceiling, that doesn't do anyone any good.

>> let me say two things, chris . one, the habit that republicans , especially in the house have of, you know, governing by crisis and consecutive crisis and habitual crisis is bad for the economy and bad for the american people and we oppose it. secondly, you're right to raise the debt ceiling because the concern that we have is that as bad as shutting the government down is with the hundreds of thousands of hard working americans who couldn't go to work today and aren't getting paid and all the other negative impacts of shutdown, default is infinitely worse. it would be catastrophic, as the imf said today. the mere flirtation with default as we saw in 2011 by these same house republicans would have truly damaging effects on our economy and on the middle class . so we're opposed to that. but the president is being clear, no negotiating over congress's responsibility to pay the bills that congress has racked up. we won't negotiate over that.

>> you talked about the habit -- i want to ask you, you talk about the habit that's been formed here and the need to break that habit. i wonder if you think the president and the white house bear some responsibility for the habit because back in 2011 when the house republicans first threatened essentially default in the process of trying to get leverage for a budget deal, the president was willing to negotiate. did that set a negative precedent that we're now living with to this day?

>> there's no question, chris , that of the 40 plus times that congress has voted to raise the debt ceiling, the singular exception to how they approached it was 2011 and that for the first time in our history, one party, in this case the republicans , chose to actually flirt with default and that had negative consequences and were the first to acknowledge that had negative consequences that were bad for the economy. what the president was trying to do that year was reach a comprehensive budget great with the speaker of the house and with republicans in the house and the senate and he hoped and believed he could and he thought that would be the right thing for the economy. he certainly never supported the idea and i remember standing at the podium absolutely castigating those who supported the idea that we could flirt with default. but we learned that summer that republicans were willing to do that and americans across the country paid the price for it.

>> white house press secretary jay carney , thank you so much for your time.

>> thank you.

>> joining me now is senator chris murphy , democrat from connecticut. senator, one of the things -- one of the themes in the first 20 hours of this from a political standpoint is it seems to meet democratic caucus in the senate and house are quite united. you've seen the house leadership bring a number of different attempts at trying to game out something that will kick the ball back into your court, whether it's appointing to a conference committee or a failed attempt to pass mini crs. is that the case, that the members are all on the same page?

>> we're willing to talk to the republicans but not while the government is shut down. we just can't continue to run government by crisis. what we're talking about here is essentially a six-week continuing resolution so as a price of keeping the open for six weeks, the republicans want to repeal a health care law that is going to help millions of americans . what are they going to want six weeks from now? six weeks from then? we can't continue to do this. and i think as a caucus in the senate , democrats have just decided enough for enough. we have to stop allowing them to take americans by hostage. if john boehner brought up a clean continuing resolution on the floor, it would pass. if there was no other way out of this other than negotiation, maybe we'd talk. but if he brings that you clean resolution, he'll get votes from democrats and republicans and the crisis is over.

>> one thing i couldn't help but notice last night and the continuing resolution language was pinging back between the house and the senate and the roll call votes were all 54-46. and it interesting to note there was no a filibuster operating on the floor. it's worth points out that if the filibuster were operational yesterday, this would be a very different situation because the majority caucus in the senate wouldn't be able to just pass a clean continuing resolution . we would be in negotiations probably right now.

>> so think about how bad this looks and how much worse it would be if the filibuster was operational. for those who of us want the filibuster gone, this is an example of at least how it makes it a little bit better without it. if there was a filibuster, i'm not sure the republicans would all stand together because there is a group of republicans in the senate who actually think that this tactic on behalf of the tea party in the house is foolish, who can vote now because they know it's only a 50-vote requirement but likely might join with us because ultimately a lot of the senior republicans in the senate know that this is so destructive to the republican brand to own this dysfunction that the republicans do right now.

>> there's already a battle brewing in the press about the reality of what this shutdown looks like. what are you expecting to hear from your constituents as it plays out?

>> i think people are pretty tired of hearing about this. they're used us to walking up to the precipice, the cliff, the deficit and then walking it back. i thi we're starting to get phone calls from people who didn't really think they were going to get furloughed who are now out a paycheck, from seniors who thought their social security claim was going to get processed but isn't. you're going to see a mounting furor from the public. i'll admit, some people just blame everybody but people who know it's not everybody, know it's the republicans to blame. you'll see how devastating this is and how simple it is to fix if john boehner just called a clean vote on the continuing resolution .

>> thank you. i mentioned three minivilles that would gunned government benefits, government operations in washington and national parks . those were all defeated moments ago. this is the latest strategy after failing to receive two-thirds of the votes necessary to pass, for a procedural reason i'm not going to explain," the president threatened to veto any mini bills if they made it through congress and these didn't make it through congress. the senator from illinois joins me. now the house leadership can't even get the votes to pass the gimmicky stuff they want to pass to try to blame democrats or the senator or the white house .

>> i think what they want to do is say, oh, you see those democrats wouldn't open up the parks and they wouldn't open -- you know, help the veterans. it doesn't really work because they don't get to pick and choose what parts of the government that they want. but, chris , i want to say one thing. i think you're missing something.

>> please.

>> today was the first day of obama care. over 2.8 million people went to web sites across the country. in illinois we had over 10,000 people -- is that right -- and apply for applications, web sites crashed all across the country for people who signed up and wanted to get information. so what is it the republicans want to hold hostage now? they've been on the floor saying we have to do this because everyone hates obama care, they don't want this, this is dangerous, nobody should sign up. and people are. so what is it that they're going to now say we're going to hold up the continuing resolution , we're not going to raise the debt ceiling. really? to get rid of obama care? it looks really popular as of today.

>> and i think one of the things that republicans have feared and they've been arguing kind of in the alternative in a way that is in tension with itself is that it's a disaster people hated and we have to stop it now before people try it because then it will be too hard to get rid of it.

>> and what we've been saying is that their greatest fear is not that it will fail but that it will succeed. so if today is any indication, and i know that there are still glitches and some of the web sites slowed down, i think it was health care .gov because so many people were on but, you know, there's an article about one guy who had to wait three hours. he said to save $6,000, i would have waited all day, it fine with me.

>> do you think that there's a relationship -- one of the things that's interesting about today is the two things landed on the same date, the government shutdown essentially over defending obama care or delaying a key provision or the implementation of the law. is this an accident or have we hit kind of pay dirt, the deep issue, the deep fight in american politics between the left coalition and right coalition as they are constituted?

>> well, i mean, the days are -- the day was set four years ago -- or three years ago, in 2010 when the affordable care act was passed. it was october 1st , it made some sense. let's remember that democrats still had control of the house of representatives and no one anticipated that this was -- that this was going to happen. so the convergence in some way we thought was an unhappy one, but it turns out that it may be really advantageous for us that we have these two things happening on the same day because i think that they are left now without an argument.

>> congresswoman jan schakowsky of illinois , thank you for your time.

>> coming up.

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