Martin Bashir | December 12, 2012
>> let's get right to our panel now. goldie taylor is an msnbc contributor and toure host of the cycle. i want to put this to both of you. the far right has moved from the war on christmas . now a war on jamie foxx . he's part of the film django unchained. can i just get your reaction to this? the war on jamie foxx ?
>> if i live a thousand years, matt drudge will never become an arbitor for me. those he links to and from. they make a lot of money for this length they've got going on. i think they trade -- peddle this stuff on a daily basis and do it to line their own pockets. i just don't give that kind of credibility to a matt drudge . but in terms of a war on jamie foxx for making a mockery for the world that is matt drudge , i mean how black is that?
>> how black is that. was pure satire on a "saturday night live" monologue. he was literally making fun of, making hat of that far right fringe. who frankly don't like the idea there's a black man in the white house . who frankly don't like the idea that his immediate african heritage. they want their country back. some of them would like to secede. it isn't because of socialism that they'd like to secede. it's because the man in the white house is black.
>> before you speak, let's play that piece of the tape that goldie just referred to. and then you can respond to it. here it is.
>> i get out the chains. i get free. i save my wife and i kill all the white people in the movie. how great is that?
>> mr. sean hannity imploded upon hearing that. i thought he was quoting from the movie itself.
>> he's talking about what he did in the movie which is heroic. he's a slave liberated at the begin og the movie. we're not revealing anything you don't know. he goes on to kill all the slave masters and the people who helped slavery function in the film. that is heroic. that is not a bad thing to do morally. the clarity between evil and good there is quite obvious. to think there's some reason or way to attack jamie foxx for killing the slave masters and their helpers is to turn off half your brain and say slave master killing, slave killing, it's equal. it's not close to equal. was there the same discussion about killing hitler in inn glorious basterds? no. i find it brilliant and beautiful to think about this slave escaping and then killing all the white people . he's not this wild beast because he doesn't kill christoph who helps him escape from slavery. he kills the white people enslaving himself and others.
>> didn't the real problem begin when jamie foxx appeared on the b.e.t. awards and -- sorry the soul train awards and began by thanking his loud and savior barack obama . and that also was deemed to have been a sacrilegious comment.
>> i think some of those folks are upset with his use of the n-word in the movie repeatedly as it were. i don't know that you can do a film focused around the slave trade in that era did sh.
>> were they not using that term? is that not historically accurate?
>> incredibly without the word being used. it was used like running water. so i think that this is like the war on christmas just fanfare. i think it is a money making mission for some of these websites to produce these columned out pieces to derive more traffic. they are baiting, playing to the least of these. those folks who still harbor some of the worst prejudices stereotypes about people like me, like toure, like yourself. i think it is irresponsible, it is dangerous frankly. if we look at this particular president and we look at the secret service statistics, the number, the sheer number of assassination threats that come into this white house either by the phone or e-mail or internet, it keeps the secret service quite busy.
>> can we talk about quentin tarantino 's use of the n-word in all of his films. obviously it's going to be in a movie about slavery. he's used this a lot in his films. almost always uses it in two ways. someone morally bankrupt. that this person should not be listened to. they're a thug, they're a bad person so they use this word. or it's a black person who is super hip and that's part of their usage of this. this is part of the american lexicon. so within the context of art, i have no problem putting it in people's mouths. the only sort of complicated usage of it and he does this in purpose. in pulp fiction , jimmy uses it himself. but he's married to a black woman . so i'm trying to wrap my head around it. why did he think he could use it --
>> that he has license.
>> but i think he's messing with us there as well.
>> one of the problems here it seems to me is fox news and others have been irate in complaining about political correctness when it comes to something like the war on christmas . so they say any desire to welcome and accept people of other faiths is politically correct. that we should simply celebrate christian values . when it comes to this issue, if they have found values and are condemning jamie foxx .
>> it's like the term of reverse racism . i don't know what that is. that's a new indictment on people of color who would happen to talk about whatever they believe their social position is in this country or how we interface with others whether it be in the work place, school, play, in our communities. when we talk about that and espouse what our journey has been, suddenly we are guilty of reverse racism . i think that is a real problem.
>> what we see is mentioning race then becomes racism for a lot of people. as if it didn't exist until you pointed out.
>> until you pointed it out. everyone's fed up with you pointing it out.
>> but then nobody noticed it before. it didn't exist like the matrix. but then i sort of pulled my god. he actually is white. he's black. you messed it up by mentioning it. come on. it was already there.
>> of course. i wish we had two hours. thank you