Meet the Press | February 03, 2013
>> james gandolfini playing you as cia director . i waon't ask you to comment on the acting, but the movie seems to indicate that enhanced interrogation techniques were used to get information on bin laden . is that true?
>> well, first of all, it's a movie. let's remember that. i lived the real story . and the real story is that in order to put the puzzle of intelligence together, that led us to bin laden , there was a lot of intelligence. there were a lot of pieces out there that were part of that puzzle. yes, some of it came from some of the tactics that were used at that time, interrogation tactics that were used. but the fact is, we put together most of that intelligence without having to resort to that.
>> and you think you could have gotten it without any --
>> i think we could have gotten bin laden without that.