Meet the Press | May 05, 2013
>> us. back to the round table. rich lowry , as i say, the other side to this very big moment in sports and society is the political fight that is still moving on. there's still a great deal of opposition as the supreme court sits with this issue of marriage equality .
>> yeah. look, this is a sign that social attitudes are changing. he got a call immediately from oprah and the president of the united states . you can't get more social affirmation than that. it shouldn't be a big deal , really, one of the reasons it is is underlying -- between the knicks and celtics players turning their series. the culture of major league sports and the nba is at about a seventh or eighth grade level . that's one of the reasons it's such a big deal .
>> joy-ann reid, one of the issues politically, prop 8 in california, mormon community, african-american community most strongly against this. african-american clergy speaking out in the debate over same-sex marriage and gay adoption in illinois. again, it goes to the point that societal views are changing but our politics are changing very slowly around this.
>> i think they're changing really quickly. i think the lgbt community has shown the power of the grass roots to be that additional component to political organizing. you know, you wouldn't have had such a rapid sea change on things like don't ask, don't tell had it just been listed to the congress and president. you've seen the grass roots actually move the debate forward and move society forward. look, there's also the reverse effect. president obama coming out in favor of the rights of gay people to marry actually moved public opinion within the african-american community. there's not blanket opposition to gay rights within the black community. there are prominent pastors, our colleague reverend al sharpton has been one of the most outspoken. there are plenty of black clergy who are actually in support of lgbt rights . i think the president moving has helped that. i also think the gay community itself, gay rights community, has been very aggressive, very tactical and very smart in moving for their civil rights .