Meet the Press | July 14, 2013
>> when this bill passes between 2014 and 2020 .
>> no. no.
>> look it up. wages will be lower until 2024 . read the cbo.
>> but there's an increase of jobs of 122,000. for someone who's advocated so strongly for deficit reduction when it's a democratic president and you're attacking him for not doing enough, here we have $800 billion of deficit reduction, and here you're saying, no, we can't take it. it doesn't make any sense.
>> can i get steve schmidt on this? beyond this particular issue is rich's other point, which is you're going to have to come back and deal with the fact you've got a significant number of illegal immigrants still here. you will have to address this again. is that what's motivating conservatives, steve, or is it pure politics not wanting new democratic voters in their view coming into the country ?
>> look, i think the bill is in trouble. i do think that is part of the motivation for conservatives, the notion that it doesn't fix the security problems on the border. but what we have today is a de facto amnesty in this country. we've had it far long time. we have an utterly broken, completely uncompetitive immigration system , and the senate bill does a lot to move this country towards a sane immigration policy . what the house should do is pass a version of this legislation that could be conferenced together and the country can take a step forward in fixing this problem, which is an enormous one. we have a permanent underclass that lives in the shadows in this country, and we ought to fix it. and what this has always been premised on is the notion that there is a path to legalization and then there is a final at the end of the day solution for the border security issue, that we are able to secure the border. and this bill does, in fact, make great progress in the securing of the border.
>> reverend al, your comments.
>> i think that we can have different opinions. we can't have different facts. i think clearly it reduces the deficit, this bill. i think that clearly it creates jobs. and i think that it is very conservative for many of us that have been in the immigration movement and have said let's be fair. i don't know how more fair you can be to take 13 years to make people natural citizens. the dysfunction of this congress around this and around blocking appointments and taking food stamps out of the farm bill , i mean, it's any wond they're the public has any kind of respect for them at all.
>> final point on this, rich, before a break.
>> look, the structure of this bill was exactly the same in 1986 when we're told all the same thing, amnesty first and all this great enforcement off in the future. it never happened. and if you want to cut the deficit, there are other ways to do it and the cbo says there's no deficit reduction the first ten years and unemployment will be elevated until 2020 . look it up, governor.
>> -- respected conservative, but --
>> thank you very much. i feel something bad is coming after that, though.
>> the tea party , there is a political side to this. here's the utmost politician. the republican party is going to become a minority party . maybe all those tea party republicans in the house will keep their seats. but you're going to continue to lose presidential elections. you're going to lose the hispanic voter even more than you did in the last election. and it's political suicide what you're doing.
>> what happened after 1986 that reagan signed? did the republican share of the latino vote go up?
>> it did.
>> it didn't. h.w. went down. h.w. went down.
>> george went up.
>> -- amnesty --
>> issues change, and this is