Meet the Press | December 01, 2013
>> marriage. this week illinois is becoming the 16th state , including d.c., to allow same-sex marriage. do you think this is evolving in such a way that ultimately it will be legal everywhere, or is it the opposite, that there will be a backlash and the status quo will be maintained?
>> i would be a pollyanna that there doesn't seem to be a stance of doing this. sometimes we've been caricatured as being anti-gay, and as much as we say we're pro marriage, we're not anti anybody. i don't know, when you have forces like politicians, when you have forces like some opinion molders that are behind it, it's a tough battle. i do think, though, to get back to your question, david, back in 1973 with roe v. wade , everyone said, this is a fargone conclusion. it's going to be back-burnered. to this day it remains probably the most divisive issue in american politics . if you look at some of the changing attitudes you say, wow. we're beginning to affect the young with the pro-life message.
>> you don't think the gay marriage debate is over?
>> no, i don't think it is.
>> i think of thanksgiving as i think of the holidays generally as a wonderful opportunity to separate from our lives and to think about gratitude. however, i don't have to tell you how commercial these holidays become and we think more about recipes for the holiday. let me ask you, your eminence. what's your recipe for expressing gratitude?
>> by the way, i'm not against recipes. i kind of like them myself. the right recipe is this. i think it comes down to hue millty, which is the key, both the people of the book , jews and christians, would say hue mimility is the key virtue. without god, we're nothing. with god, everything is possible. we realize every breath we take is an unmerited gift from a lavishly loving god, that prompts us literally to fall to our knees and say thank you. it also reminds us we're not the center of the universe . it's not about me, it's about him and his people. that's gratitude, that's faith, that's humility, that's thanksgiving.
>> and there could be -- we laugh about it often, but there could be family pain and dysfunction, but it's an opportunity, again, to separate and say, where is my perspective in my life?
>> is it a paradox every year that there is pain at thanksgiving. oh, my god, my family is dysfunctional, but you wouldn't be anywhere else at thanksgiving. you're already looking forward to going back there, and that's the beauty of family and community.
>> good to see you.
>> you, too, david. happy thanksgiving.