Meet the Press | January 05, 2014
>> the other issue, of course, with russia has to do with edward snowden , and i ask you again to put back on that intelligence hat as former head of homeland security and ask you, how much damage has been done to u.s. intelligence by him, do you think?
>> oh, i think snowden has exacted quite a bit of damage and did it in a way that violated the law. i think he's committed crimes, and i think that, you know, the damage we'll see now and we'll see for years to come.
>> but if we're concerned about other documents, other material that he has, as the "new york times" suggested, should clemency for him be on the table if it meant securing some of this other information?
>> well, i think that would require more intimate knowledge of what he allegedly has, but from where i sit today, i would not put clemency on the table at all.
>> you would rule it out.
>> i would rule it out. he has, by individual fiat, leaked very extensive information. you know, the president has been very clear, was very clear with me when i was secretary, that there needed to be discussion and open dialogue about the balance between privacy and our privacy values and security. and remember, these are both important values. there is a balance, a right balance, to be struck here. mr. snowden just decided to go off on his own, and he did exact quite a bit of damage, in my judgment.