Morning Joe   |  October 09, 2013

Should the NCAA pay its athletes

Domonique Foxworth and Andrew Muscato, producers of “Schooled: The Price of College Sports,” talk about the big business of college football and basketball.

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>> schools the price of college sports the big business of college football an basketball, joining us now, one of the producers, the president of the nfl player's association the film's director, brian chatman at the table as well. this looks terrific, really revealing is there thank you so much for having us.

>> what specifically, we talked about this with the "time" magazine piece a couple weeks ago, in this broad discussion about whether we should pay them or not.

>> i think it's somewhat distracting when we talk about playing them. it's about the players getting the rights they deserve. so i would be disappointed if they paid the players without giving them a voice. it looks good for the presidents of the universities and ncaa from the top down. it doesn't look good from the bottom up if you are a player.

>> to me that is the issue not talked about enough, joe, we talk about those who made millions of dollars, what about that division i schp athlete who plays four years and doesn't go pro and has that career, that's where any modem that's created. you can change a person.

>> you really can. i have been an alabama fan for decades, there are always these guy the freshmen and sophomore years that are super stars , five years later, someone said, did you hear, so and so is working in a piggly-wiggly?

>> there are athletes and current athletes who say they suffers thee terrible injuries and had to live with them the rest of their lives. no one is paying their medical costs.

>> i was fortunate to have an nfl career and move on. it's a ridiculous minute percentage of people able to do that.

>> what are the pitfalls of paying the atmosphere lotz? if it were easy, this would not be an issue?

>> it lies in incentives. there is no incentive to make sure the atmospherelights are taken care of. so athletes don't have power or a voice in the process. the people with the power, if you run a business, which essentially they are, in this case, they don't have to pay them anything.

>> mika, you always talked about mcdonald's and how much they are making, i disagree with you, but the ncaa makes $12 billion a year, more of a profit tan mcdonald's or chevron or so many other massive corporations and they don't pay their players.

>> the rate of growth of the college industry has grown exponentially. the point of this film was to dig doper and show people how this system works and how these athletes entertaining us every weekend don't have any rights.

>> hold on a second, they're getting a scholarship. my kid is not getting a scholarship.

>> they're getting a scholarship. they got the opportunity to go to class to learn if they want to.

>> they do have an opportunity. it's back to incentives. it was extremely discounted. the incentive for the player is to play well t. same for the coach the incentive for the university is to win games a. lot of players, from is no one pushing you. i remember circling the majors and my adviser broke out a list of majors that were realistic. that's what i money having a discount. academic experience. several thursday notice games in georgia. so you miss class on wednesday, on thursday, on friday is there that's not right. but i mean, it's funnily, they put student first. it's obvious all incentives lie with an athlete who has to go to class.

>> it's interesting, i missed a lot of wednesday, thursday, friday classes, i didn't even pay football. samstone.

>> efor theing the critics are paying, athletes say it could be corruption. has anyone proposed the idea of setting up es kro accounts? money that are will for students, once they graduate, academically that, they will be paid. it just one happen in laterally time?

>> i think call eight gateway to corruption. hilarious this system is already corrupt. they force them to abody by rules that cannot be measured or followed and they're unjust. so i'm not sure, one of the things that upsets me about this debate is people like to focus on, should they be paid or not paid? throwing money at the problem is a pacifier. the real problem is the players don't have a voice in the process.

>> that could change a. lot of people think there is a sort of an unspoken movement to get rid of the ncaa because some of these schools and conferences are more powerful. maybe the ncaa will be forced to do something. even the pac-10 commissioner came on and said if you don't want college, you have a path to go try to get to the pros, if that's your choice to do.

>> these kids you were talking yesterday about the kinetic force of the nfl , how violent it is. take a guys, my default is the university of alabama , made the catch of the year the prior year against florida. he snaps his leg in half. he went from a 1st or 2nd round draft pick to a guy who now he's a bank teller last i heard in tuscaloosa. what happens to him next? what happens to his health? this guy helped make my university millions and millions of dollars. there needs to be a trust fund to take care of these kids.

>> these universities, their priority is education. most of the athletes are concerned with going to the next level of the nba, after they finish playing, they would appreciate that education even more.

>> i can't underscore, how many of them think they will go pro? they all think they're going pro, every one of them.

>> the schools the price of --

>> like every senator thinks they will be president.

>> premiers on the channel epics. it looks really riveting. emmy